How I Generated **2,000++ Visitors / Day in 3 months...

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by tamal

One of the most resourceful thread I had seen in a forum

Thanks for dropping by! Glad it helps.... !

Originally Posted by rogerbauer

Kok & Jared,
Even though I'm just discovering this post, and it has been around for awhile, it's a great read.

Between the 2 of you, this is an awesome post jam packed with high quality information. I keep clicking the "thanks" button, but that doesn't seem strong enough. Thanks to both of you for sharing some really powerful knowledge and resources.

Roger

Hey Roger, glad you find it helpful ! Forum is a great place to share...

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by citywide

Dear Warrior Members,

Its posts like this, that makes Warrior Forum No1. webmasters favorite site.
Everyone of us, must maintain and keep up the respect that Allen Says has built over the many years.

My hat goes of to all of you.... Keep up the good work...

Its great to be back, being away for a while.

Regards

AA Success -

Can't agree more... !

[probisnis]

Hey kkchoon, thank for information. Great info...
How to use Bookmarking Demon? Are you have tutorial to use Bookmarking Demon?

thanks...

[onsitesdeo]

Hi,

Very good info sharing.

Really appreciate it.

Thanks

[kkchoon]

I recommend this software instead of BMD:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-software.html

You can find many video tutorial there.

[firstdandy]

Wow, Great Tips. Thanks for sharing here

[affiliatelabs]

"This article has been viewed 2000..199999" "Article Submitted On: * *, 2009" = Damn Neat Query and Fantastic Information!

[searchnology]

Kkchoon,

All of the backlink methods make sense and thanks again for the post. However, the traffic numbers just don't add up. 2K visitors a day or 60K visitors a month is HIGHLY UNLIKELY for the type of keywords being targeted.

I have a site that is on the first page of Google(as well as Yahoo and MSN) for ALL of the top 10 most searched terms in my niche (my niche is more competitive than those in your guidelines) so I do have a good feel for what volumes are realistic and 2K per day is very high.

I also use to manage SEO for a very large company that was in the "visa card" niche. Even they didn't get that kind of monthly volume for their first page listings and Visa cards is an insanely high search volume niche.

It would be more credible if you could share analytics screenshots or compete.com stats for the site you are referencing. If not, I understand the desire for privacy but I did want to shed some light on the volume numbers because others might believe they can duplicate it but I don't believe it is likely.

More evidence...The below SERP click through stats(from AOL) are a bit dated but they are still accurate for the most part. The thing to understand is that even if you are ranked #1 you will only get 40-50% of the total clicks. And the total clicks are a fraction of the total search volume because of non-clicks and paid ad clicks that must be taken into account.

Ranking Number 1 receives 42.1 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 2 receives 11.9 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 3 receives 8.5 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 4 receives 6.1 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 5 receives 4.9 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 6 receives 4.1 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 7 receives 3.4 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 8 receives 3.0 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 9 receives 2.8 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 10 receives 3.0 percent of click throughs.

This may have been discussed already in this very long thread so apologies if it is a repeat.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

You are welcome !



All traffic from Search Engine and some through the web 2.0 sites.

Usual backlinks doesn't bring you traffic, but help you rank high to get the traffic you need !

Kok Choon

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by firstdandy

Wow, Great Tips. Thanks for sharing here

Originally Posted by affiliatelabs

"This article has been viewed 2000..199999" "Article Submitted On: * *, 2009" = Damn Neat Query and Fantastic Information!

Originally Posted by searchnology

Kkchoon,

All of the backlink methods make sense and thanks again for the post.

Hey guys! thanks for your support! More great posts coming in soon!

Originally Posted by searchnology

However, the traffic numbers just don't add up. 2K visitors a day or 60K visitors a month is HIGHLY UNLIKELY for the type of keywords being targeted.

This is easy => no magic here, 1+1+1=3, do it 100 times you get 100.

If you know the way to get 100 visitors, you just need to scale up and you get 1,000, just need 10 times effort.

Originally Posted by searchnology

I have a site that is on the first page of Google(as well as Yahoo and MSN) for ALL of the top 10 most searched terms in my niche (my niche is more competitive than those in your guidelines) so I do have a good feel for what volumes are realistic and 2K per day is very high.

I don't target 1 keyword, I target multiple keywords!

Originally Posted by searchnology

I also use to manage SEO for a very large company that was in the "visa card" niche. Even they didn't get that kind of monthly volume for their first page listings and Visa cards is an insanely high search volume niche.

It would be more credible if you could share analytics screenshots or compete.com stats for the site you are referencing. If not, I understand the desire for privacy but I did want to shed some light on the volume numbers because others might believe they can duplicate it but I don't believe it is likely.

Are you sure 1+1=2 is wrong? Just get more keywords. This is just a matter of number game, no magic / secret here.

I Make Money Online By Telling People How I Make Money Online - John Chow dot Com

Almost 3K of visitors / day in previous month.

Blog Tips to Help You Make Money Blogging - ProBlogger

Over 11K visitors / day in previous month.

These are professional bloggers.

Try this:

Flat Stomach Exercises - Myth Busting Exercise Facts!

Almost 3K visitors / day in previous month.

I can find more these kind of sites, and there is no magic than 1+1=2, just get more keywords!

Originally Posted by searchnology

More evidence...The below SERP click through stats(from AOL) are a bit dated but they are still accurate for the most part. The thing to understand is that even if you are ranked #1 you will only get 40-50% of the total clicks. And the total clicks are a fraction of the total search volume because of non-clicks and paid ad clicks that must be taken into account.

Ranking Number 1 receives 42.1 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 2 receives 11.9 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 3 receives 8.5 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 4 receives 6.1 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 5 receives 4.9 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 6 receives 4.1 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 7 receives 3.4 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 8 receives 3.0 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 9 receives 2.8 percent of click throughs.
Ranking Number 10 receives 3.0 percent of click throughs.

This may have been discussed already in this very long thread so apologies if it is a repeat.

More about keyword(s) research

If you use market samurai, you know that only 40% of that traffic is getting into your site (in general).

What most people don't know is - You can't just look at broad search. Broad search is meaningful to PPC marketer, but less useful for SEO marketer.

You must reference phrase match, and rely more on exact match for the more accurate results. Picking the right "KEYWORDS" (not a keyword - you need keywords) is very important!

Most beginners will be very brave - going after large search count broad match keyword, while facing a lot of strong competition, it may take months to years before they even hit last position on page 1!

What you ought to do - find high search (exact match) low competition keywords, think out of the box!

If the keyword is obvious and direct, most probably many people already targeting, being "lazy" to keyword research and "brave" to compete is the biggest reason why you don't get the traffic volume you need!

Getting traffic is easy, you need patient to get more keywords, and the time to rank those keywords, link wheel strategy is one of the few.


Why Won't I See The Volume of Traffic Using Link Wheel?

Don't think for a moment all web 2.0 properties are just a backlink farm to your main site!

These properties are traffic hubs, you must find the right keywords, sufficient backlinks to rank those keywords on your traffic hubs, and channel it back to your site!

50% of your initial traffic can be from those hubs, and when time goes, you should start to rank for your major keywords + content pages in your site!

SEO is 1+1. Dead, stupid and easy stuff!

Know the basicand scale up from there ...

[searchnology]

Thanks for the detailed response Kkchoon.

I did understand that you were talking about targeting several keywords and not just one and I agree with that premise. My point was more around the keyword criteria and the expected volumes.

The two blogger sites examples are getting less than 20% of their traffic from search engine SERPs. Most of their traffic is direct or from Twitter and Facebook but the flat stomach site does support this point. Over 50% of their traffic is from SERPs and they are from long tail keyword pages. Still "flat abs" is a niche with very high search volume , not like the criteria specified in the original post. For the criteria specified, I still don't see how 60K visitors per month is achievable. If I had to guesstimate I would say most niches that meet that criteria would top out at around 20K visits per month. Feedback is welcomed.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Hey guys! thanks for your support! More great posts coming in soon!




This is easy => no magic here, 1+1+1=3, do it 100 times you get 100.

If you know the way to get 100 visitors, you just need to scale up and you get 1,000, just need 10 times effort.



I don't target 1 keyword, I target multiple keywords!



Are you sure 1+1=2 is wrong? Just get more keywords. This is just a matter of number game, no magic / secret here.

I Make Money Online By Telling People How I Make Money Online - John Chow dot Com

Almost 3K of visitors / day in previous month.

Blog Tips to Help You Make Money Blogging - ProBlogger

Over 11K visitors / day in previous month.

These are professional bloggers.

Try this:

Flat Stomach Exercises - Myth Busting Exercise Facts!

Almost 3K visitors / day in previous month.

I can find more these kind of sites, and there is no magic than 1+1=2, just get more keywords!



More about keyword(s) research

If you use market samurai, you know that only 40% of that traffic is getting into your site (in general).

What most people don't know is - You can't just look at broad search. Broad search is meaningful to PPC marketer, but less useful for SEO marketer.

You must reference phrase match, and rely more on exact match for the more accurate results. Picking the right "KEYWORDS" (not a keyword - you need keywords) is very important!

Most beginners will be very brave - going after large search count broad match keyword, while facing a lot of strong competition, it may take months to years before they even hit last position on page 1!

What you ought to do - find high search (exact match) low competition keywords, think out of the box!

If the keyword is obvious and direct, most probably many people already targeting, being "lazy" to keyword research and "brave" to compete is the biggest reason why you don't get the traffic volume you need!

Getting traffic is easy, you need patient to get more keywords, and the time to rank those keywords, link wheel strategy is one of the few.


Why Won't I See The Volume of Traffic Using Link Wheel?

Don't think for a moment all web 2.0 properties are just a backlink farm to your main site!

These properties are traffic hubs, you must find the right keywords, sufficient backlinks to rank those keywords on your traffic hubs, and channel it back to your site!

50% of your initial traffic can be from those hubs, and when time goes, you should start to rank for your major keywords + content pages in your site!

SEO is 1+1. Dead, stupid and easy stuff!

Know the basicand scale up from there ...

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by searchnology

Thanks for the detailed response Kkchoon.

I did understand that you were talking about targeting several keywords and not just one and I agree with that premise. My point was more around the keyword criteria and the expected volumes.

Why can't I find enough searches keywords...?

All keywords criteria are relative. However, you must admit this fact before going further:

There are many keywords with a lot searches and low competition, if you can't find them, only 2 possible reasons -

1. You are not thinking vertically, and zooming too much into the details... think out of the box.

2. The niche is too small, not worth to pursuit.

Niche marketing doesn't need a lot of traffic to make money, conversion is much more important.

You can have a niche with 500 visitors a day, build a strong relationship with your list and still make decent income. Forum is a great place to find a lot of long tail keywords, problem keywords, so is Google suggest and other search engine suggesting tool.

You can try Super Suggester, and put the generated list into Market Samurai, should help you find a lot of good keywords!

Please don't be confused by my search criteria, you can start playing around with it, if you still can't find decent search keywords, increase the number or just find another niche.

I sometime find some good keyword with thousands of searches, but very low competition, those are my Gold , I will protect it at all cost.


Are you saying only high search volume keywords are worth the effort?

Nope, you can use article marketing for daily searches of 10 exact match, the only criteria is to find keywords that don't need backlinks to rank on page 1 - extremely low competition keywords.

I can find hundreds of these keywords in a day or two, accumulate up to 3,000 views / day, write and optimize articles for SEO, submit it to ezinearticles and start getting tons of traffic to my site / affiliate offer / build a list! This method is called "BUM" marketing.

Originally Posted by searchnology

The two blogger sites examples are getting less than 20% of their traffic from search engine SERPs. Most of their traffic is direct or from Twitter and Facebook but the flat stomach site does support this point. Over 50% of their traffic is from SERPs and they are from long tail keyword pages. Still "flat abs" is a niche with very high search volume , not like the criteria specified in the original post. For the criteria specified, I still don't see how 60K visitors per month is achievable. If I had to guesstimate I would say most niches that meet that criteria would top out at around 20K visits per month. Feedback is welcomed.

Yes, I agreed blogger sites had many repeated traffic, that's another topic.

There are literally hundreds of authority sites for niche market, they are getting traffic from 1K to 10K a day, depending on how many keywords they are targeting.

As I mentioned before, all criteria is relative and depending on what niche you are targeting. The best way to do accurate competition check is through top 10 analysis.

You will be surprise sometime high count allintitle and phrase search had very low competition pages, these are Gold mine and not easy to find, but if you stumble upon few, protect it at all cost!


How to determine the niche potential traffic

Most niches that are making money (check gravity on clickbank, or Amazon top product), should have sufficient traffic. To determine how much potential traffic your will receive from these niches, try these:

1. Pick few common root keyword (1 or 2 words), do a keyword research on the broad search count, add up to see how many search traffic in the market.

2. find the phrase search count as well.

3. Compare the percentage of broad / phrase. The higher the percentage, the easier to attract organic search traffic.

4. If the phrase search count had over 1 mil searches / month, I think that is enough traffic for you to make money.

I still think there are a lot of traffic in most niches, if you can't find them, consider another niche unless these are high ticket products / services.

Again all these figures are relative and for reference only, there are exception to every rule unless specified.

Kok Choon

[inkjet]

Good piece of information.Thanks for sharing information it will give high traffic to my site.

[vicksman]

One thing I know that works is not really how much you do but how
CONSISTENT you are in implementing what you learn

nice posts

thanks

[Jollowen]

Thanks for great infos. Blessings to all who shared their wisdom.

[Matt Gannon]

Wow great thread! Thanks for all of the useful info! So what are your thoughts about deep linking or back linking to other pages on your site and not just the main page to make it look more natural to the search engine?

I did this to my personal blogger blog, and with only 40 back links Iv reached a pr2.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by inkjet

Good piece of information.Thanks for sharing information it will give high traffic to my site.

Originally Posted by Jollowen

Thanks for great infos. Blessings to all who shared their wisdom.

Thanks guys! Let's share more ....!

Originally Posted by Matt Gannon

Wow great thread! Thanks for all of the useful info! So what are your thoughts about deep linking or back linking to other pages on your site and not just the main page to make it look more natural to the search engine?

I did this to my personal blogger blog, and with only 40 back links Iv reached a pr2.

Deep linking is a must, but I usually aim to get more traffic, so my deep linking is to ensure all those pages rank for my targeted keywords!

If you are starting a new blog, I suggest you create content base on keyword research. Try to find low competition keywords, even with little searches!

When you add up 300 posts, even each post give you 1 visitors / day, you get 300 visitors / day!

Try this method, you will appreciate it in long term! Don't forget to build a list ...

Kok Choon

[Lulu Chil]

Wow, what a great post. Lots of info and thanks.

[Daniel Molano]

Wow, this has become a huge thread.

Congratulations Kok my friend, you definitely know what you're talking about.

[jaaproos]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Thanks guys! Let's share more ....!






When you add up 300 posts, even each post give you 1 visitors / day, you get 300 visitors / day!

Try this method, you will appreciate it in long term! Don't forget to build a list ...

Kok Choon

You are a very generous person Kok, thanks for sharing your wisdom.

When I want to use this method, what should I do with my site structure, 300 posts!! How do you structure link it internally etc etc.?

Thanks

jaap

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Maticz

Thanks for the great information

Originally Posted by lulu25

Wow, what a great post. Lots of info and thanks.

Glad to be helpful here . Feel free to ask me any questions concerning SEO!

Originally Posted by jaaproos

You are a very generous person Kok, thanks for sharing your wisdom.

When I want to use this method, what should I do with my site structure, 300 posts!! How do you structure link it internally etc etc.?

Thanks

jaap

I you are doing a blog, any related topics (keywords) would do! Just group them under the proper category, organize your site nicely and that's all!

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

Wow, this has become a huge thread.

Congratulations Kok my friend, you definitely know what you're talking about.

Hey Daniel, long time no see here!

Must thank you again for helping me in the pass, and you've helped me a lot in my process of learning SEO!

Anyone love my stuff, should check out Daniel's stuff, he is the true Guru here!

Kok Choon

[speaktalk10]

nice info..thx.

[John Hocking]

Thanks for the link to Quintura - visual search engine

That will come in handy.

[dannybaskara]

wow thank you very much

[Alex Nash]

Do this, and a lot more methods to gain traffic and you will earn money. Like me, .


Regards,
A.N

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by speaktalk10

nice info..thx.

Originally Posted by John Hocking

Thanks for the link to Quintura - visual search engine

That will come in handy.

Originally Posted by dannybaskara

wow thank you very much

Originally Posted by Alex Nash

Do this, and a lot more methods to gain traffic and you will earn money. Like me, .


Regards,
A.N

Thanks Warriors! I'm happy to share any knowledge I know that would be helpful to all!

[mozesteven]

Hi Kok, I always read your thread and amazing. It is becoming huge thread as more than 5 pages. I have to read 10 pages now. No problem as there are many insight here Kok.

Regards, Mozes

[kkchoon]

HI Mozes,

Thanks for your encouragement! Digging through the posts is sure time consuming, I will try to organize everything into a simple report, just a bit busy now...

See you around,

Kok Choon

[perryny]

Hi Kok,

So glad to see this thread still going strong.

You offered me some specific advice here a while back and you've been tremendously helpful. Last we spoke, I was panicking because I thought Google sandboxed me or something (it was just the Google dance). I'm now at position #4 and expect to take the #1 spot not too long from now.

I'm still very heavily doing off-site SEO. But I have a web designer finishing up a complete, 100% redesign of my website, which I'm hoping to launch in the next week or two.

The question I have is... Will launching the redesigned site set my SEO work back significantly, even though the new site is much more SEO optimized than the current site I have up?

I ask because last we spoke you were very clear that you should never do on-site SEO while simultaneously doing off-site SEO.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-Robert

[poker princess]

This is really a fabulous thread. Great information.

I have been using the package given by Angela Edwards for some of my sites and it has helped a lot.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by perryny

Hi Kok,

So glad to see this thread still going strong.

You offered me some specific advice here a while back and you've been tremendously helpful. Last we spoke, I was panicking because I thought Google sandboxed me or something (it was just the Google dance). I'm now at position #4 and expect to take the #1 spot not too long from now.

I'm still very heavily doing off-site SEO. But I have a web designer finishing up a complete, 100% redesign of my website, which I'm hoping to launch in the next week or two.

The question I have is... Will launching the redesigned site set my SEO work back significantly, even though the new site is much more SEO optimized than the current site I have up?

I ask because last we spoke you were very clear that you should never do on-site SEO while simultaneously doing off-site SEO.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-Robert

Hi Robert,

Good to hear from you again!

About redesigning your site, I would recommend you stop doing backlinks to your pages, unless you are not purposely touching the content, just only the design shouldn't have much impact.

You can still do both on and off page SEO, just expect a bit of dancing and might causes temporary filter in the process. If your site is very unlucky and caught in the filter, just keep building High PR authority links (PR 5 and above), should come back after a period of time.

As long as your on page stuff is not trying to match the off page keywords purposely, shouldn't be much problem.

Please keep us posted about your site after redesign, if only art work or theme, shouldn't impact your ranking at all.

See you around!

Originally Posted by angelarichard

I am trying to follow you.Thanks for sharing such useful information.

Originally Posted by poker princess

This is really a fabulous thread. Great information.

I have been using the package given by Angela Edwards for some of my sites and it has helped a lot.

Thanks guys and gals! Angela backlinks is one of the most power backlinks around... I had a lot of success with it, that's why I collect high PR profile backlinks myself, as well as getting them from WSO!

Kok Choon

[mozesteven]

Hi Kok,

Very good - if you are planning to organize it in the simple report. Very helpful person (Kok) I see in the Internet. Some Marketers not open their tips to others, but you give all these for free.

I cannot say anything but thank you. God bless you friend.

Regards, Mozes

Originally Posted by kkchoon

HI Mozes,

Thanks for your encouragement! Digging through the posts is sure time consuming, I will try to organize everything into a simple report, just a bit busy now...

See you around,

Kok Choon

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by mozesteven

Hi Kok,

Very good - if you are planning to organize it in the simple report. Very helpful person (Kok) I see in the Internet. Some Marketers not open their tips to others, but you give all these for free.

I cannot say anything but thank you. God bless you friend.

Regards, Mozes

Thanks Mozes! That means a lot to me... will continue to contribute the community, stay tuned!

Kok Choon

[fathonix]

I just want to say thanks to kkchoon, I have learnt much with this tread! is it late?

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by fathonix

I just want to say thanks to kkchoon, I have learnt much with this tread! is it late?

You are welcome! Ask me any questions about SEO, I will try to share my experience.

Kok Choon

[perryny]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Hi Robert,
Good to hear from you again!

About redesigning your site, I would recommend you stop doing backlinks to your pages, unless you are not purposely touching the content, just only the design shouldn't have much impact.

You can still do both on and off page SEO, just expect a bit of dancing and might causes temporary filter in the process. If your site is very unlucky and caught in the filter, just keep building High PR authority links (PR 5 and above), should come back after a period of time.

As long as your on page stuff is not trying to match the off page keywords purposely, shouldn't be much problem.

Please keep us posted about your site after redesign, if only art work or theme, shouldn't impact your ranking at all.

See you around!
Kok Choon

Hi Kok,

Unfortunately, the redesign is a complete website overhaul, including an update to the copy on almost all pages. Ultimately, the new site is much more relevant to the keywords I've been targeting, so hopefully any setbacks in the SERP will be only temporary.

I'll try to hold off on new backlinking, although I have outsourced programs running where backlinks are being created for me constantly. And so many have been created recently, that I'm sure new ones will continue to be indexed daily for some time, even if I were to stop all new backlink creations right now.

Not much to do but keep moving forward for now I suppose. The new site design and copy is definitely for the best, so again, I'll just hope that any SERP setbacks won't last long.

Thanks again for being such a great source of such useful info and help.

-Robert

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by perryny

Hi Kok,

Unfortunately, the redesign is a complete website overhaul, including an update to the copy on almost all pages. Ultimately, the new site is much more relevant to the keywords I've been targeting, so hopefully any setbacks in the SERP will be only temporary.

I'll try to hold off on new backlinking, although I have outsourced programs running where backlinks are being created for me constantly. And so many have been created recently, that I'm sure new ones will continue to be indexed daily for some time, even if I were to stop all new backlink creations right now.

Not much to do but keep moving forward for now I suppose. The new site design and copy is definitely for the best, so again, I'll just hope that any SERP setbacks won't last long.

Thanks again for being such a great source of such useful info and help.

-Robert

Hi Robert,

I'm pretty sure your site will be OK in the long run, any temporary setbacks and filter shouldn't impact you for a long period of time.

Keep getting more links, especially authority links. BTW, I suggest you start to plan on some kind of link bait pages, you can offer:

1. Free Software
2. Free Report
3. Free Videos
4. Free E-Course
5. Free Scripts
6. Free Widget
7. Free Articles

Anything that would attract links, where people loves to share your free stuff in the forums, blogs and any community sites. Use this powerful method to attract natural links, don't build your business solely on manual link building campaign, you need to provide some value to the community in exchange for natural links.

In long run, your website will grow solid and has stronger resistant to Google algorithm changes! Manual link building can only bring you so far, you need solid natural links, including submitting Press Release. (I've no experience on this, but I heard many warriors had good result!)

Hopefully these information will help you gain long term benefit, please do keep us updated with your site's ranking after you completed the website "overhaul"!

Kok Choon

[perryny]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Hi Robert,
Keep getting more links, especially authority links. BTW, I suggest you start to plan on some kind of link bait pages, you can offer:

1. Free Software
2. Free Report
3. Free Videos
4. Free E-Course
5. Free Scripts
6. Free Widget
7. Free Articles

Anything that would attract links, where people loves to share your free stuff in the forums, blogs and any community sites. Use this powerful method to attract natural links, don't build your business solely on manual link building campaign, you need to provide some value to the community in exchange for natural links.

In long run, your website will grow solid and has stronger resistant to Google algorithm changes! Manual link building can only bring you so far, you need solid natural links, including submitting Press Release. (I've no experience on this, but I heard many warriors had good result!)

Kok Choon

Creating natural links this way is something I've never even considered yet, despite being at this for a solid 3 months. Great advice. Thanks!

I've done a press release following methods from WSO's from Daniel Tan and Tony Hetherington. I'm not sure how effective they are yet. Maybe too soon to tell.

I can't wait for my site to gain traction through my active participation in my niche forums and communities and when I can stop relying so heavily on Google. But for now, I need real traffic (2000 visitors a day would be incredible! Right now, I'm still getting only about 20.) So, I'm at the mercy of Big G for the moment and must keep plugging away.

-Robert

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by perryny

Creating natural links this way is something I've never even considered yet, despite being at this for a solid 3 months. Great advice. Thanks!

I've done a press release following methods from WSO's from Daniel Tan and Tony Hetherington. I'm not sure how effective they are yet. Maybe too soon to tell.

I can't wait for my site to gain traction through my active participation in my niche forums and communities and when I can stop relying so heavily on Google. But for now, I need real traffic (2000 visitors a day would be incredible! Right now, I'm still getting only about 20.) So, I'm at the mercy of Big G for the moment and must keep plugging away.

-Robert

Hi Robert,

You can try article marketing + long tail keywords; Picking keywords that will rank directly without backlinks is a great way to get traffic - fast!

Try this formula -

1. Phrase Match - 10,000
2. Title Match - 1,000

"Yourkeyword"
allintitle:yourkeyword

Use this formula to pick keywords with exact search of 30 and above, write keyword optimize articles and submit them to ezinearticles.com, use resources box to get visitors back to your site.

If 1 article generate 2 visitors / day back to your site, think about 500 articles - that's 1,000 visitors / day!

You can easily tune up this figure with better resources box!

However, if you think you like to stay with what you are doing, then keep getting more authority links, the higher PR the better.

Wish your site stay high and make tons of money, soon!

Kok Choon

[perryny]

Oh Mr. Choon. I've been following your instruction on this since the early days of this thread. Do a quick google search on my name "Robert Peretson" and you'll see how much I've been following your advice on Article Marketing and web 2.0 properties.

But I'll admit, for the most part, I've been one of the "brave" ones, primarily targeting a single keyword with 100K+ exact monthly searches. And again, following your advice, I've been very effective, reaching Page 1 in about 8 weeks and then up to position #4 about 2 weeks later. It's this last push up to Position #1 that seems to be tough and what I've been focusing all my efforts through backlinking with high PR authority links (I just submitted to an outsourcer yesterday a link packet I compiled of 400 PR6-PR9 forum profile backlinks, 30 of which are PR8-PR9). Hopefully I'll take the #1 spot soon and see a dramatic increase in traffic. I won't know for sure until I reach this goal.

I'll also admit that despite me putting a decent amount of work into my article writing, the click-through rate is very low, about 2.4%. In about 3 months, over 1800 people have read my articles on EZA alone, but only 43 have clicked through to my site. I've experimented with different resource boxes, but I still haven't found the magic solution to generate more interest.

I'll keep working on all of these directions... article marketing, backlinking, forum participation, press releases, etc. But there's only so much one person can accomplish in a 20 hr. workday.

I'm so glad to have resources in people like you and Terry Kyle who can keep me working as effectively as possible by providing such good and proven information and techniques.

Thanks again so much,
-Robert

[kkchoon]

Hi Robert,

Originally Posted by perryny

Oh Mr. Choon. I've been following your instruction on this since the early days of this thread. Do a quick google search on my name "Robert Peretson" and you'll see how much I've been following your advice on Article Marketing and web 2.0 properties.

Thanks for following my thread, I just visited your Ezinearticles.com, and find some of your articles, I think I know what is your problem.

Sorry to miss this - I should add one more rule to the article part:

Keep your article short - 350 ~ 400 words should be enough!

One of the main reason you don't get much click-through rate is because your article is too long... who want to read a long article?

Keep it short and sweet while implement the AIDA method; Even you don't do the AIDA, just keeping it short would greatly increase the conversion!

The key is to find a lot of these keywords, write bunch of articles (You should try outsourcing, I don't write much article these days), and tap into search traffic - instantly!

Originally Posted by perryny

But I'll admit, for the most part, I've been one of the "brave" ones, primarily targeting a single keyword with 100K+ exact monthly searches. And again, following your advice, I've been very effective, reaching Page 1 in about 8 weeks and then up to position #4 about 2 weeks later. It's this last push up to Position #1 that seems to be tough and what I've been focusing all my efforts through backlinking with high PR authority links (I just submitted to an outsourcer yesterday a link packet I compiled of 400 PR6-PR9 forum profile backlinks, 30 of which are PR8-PR9). Hopefully I'll take the #1 spot soon and see a dramatic increase in traffic. I won't know for sure until I reach this goal.

You can have an idea about your competitors by looking at their backlinks, use Yahoo site explorer to check out their backlinks.

Professional tool like Majestic SEO gives you better intelligent, but cost you money! Yahoo site explorer usually enough.

Originally Posted by perryny

I'll keep working on all of these directions... article marketing, backlinking, forum participation, press releases, etc. But there's only so much one person can accomplish in a 20 hr. workday.

I'm so glad to have resources in people like you and Terry Kyle who can keep me working as effectively as possible by providing such good and proven information and techniques.

Thanks again so much,
-Robert

Another thing, try to PM me with anything contains the keywords or anything you don't want your competitor to know, and remember to use pen name for all your articles, this will minimize the chances people reverse engineer your keywords!

Try the article method again, this time use outsource to write short article for you, you should see instant traffic when your article is approved!

Kok Choon

[perryny]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Hi Robert,

Keep your article short - 350 ~ 400 words should be enough!

One of the main reason you don't get much click-through rate is because your article is too long... who want to read a long article?

I've been told this before, and here's what has me confused. The below article is 380 words...

Independent Computer Consultant - How to Sell Clients on Managed Services

I posted it about 6 weeks ago and it is far and away my most popular article, receiving 477 views so far. And ONE click-through

It seems to me that my article title pulled them in, but my content turned them off. It's not my best article, but it's better than a lot of the spun crap I see out there. This is why I have a hard time believing that an outsourced writer, unless I hire a very expensive one, will get much better results.

Today, I rewrote the article (the revised version isn't approved or live yet) which is now about 750 words, but I believe much better written to target what the title promises. I'm looking forward to seeing if the conversion improves.

Oddly enough, some of my best performing articles in terms of click-through have a word count of close to 1000 words. I've experimented with both long and short articles.

I'll continue to try my best to make them short, but very well written.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

You can have an idea about your competitors by looking at their backlinks, use Yahoo site explorer to check out their backlinks.

Professional tool like Majestic SEO gives you better intelligent, but cost you money! Yahoo site explorer usually enough.

I'm using both Yahoo Site Explorer and SEO SpyGlass (free version). I found a ton of great stuff this way. I also found that spying on experts in the field of backinking (like top ranking SEO Companies) is much more effective than spying on my direct competition.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Another thing, try to PM me with anything contains the keywords or anything you don't want your competitor to know, and remember to use pen name for all your articles, this will minimize the chances people reverse engineer your keywords!

Kok Choon

Thank you for this. I know I'm probably being pretty naive, but I'm not very concerned about my competition at the moment. I'm pretty unique in my niche right now and I'm building a very solid reputation as an authority in my field. That's why I chose to use my real name on my articles. I proudly stand behind my work and advice, and I want my readers (and future customers) to know that.

Plus, once the revenue starts to really roll in, I intend to continue to invest very heavily in my promotion/outsourcing efforts. By the time my competition tries to knock me from the top spot, I intend to be so far ahead, that catching up will be a very difficult task without tons of time and money to invest.

I will certainly keep you posted on all my findings and results.

-Robert

[hip-pop]

wow. i also need traffic for my new wp blog. I am still learning Seo. I will try this also
Thanks. Page bookmarked now

[kkchoon]

Hi Robert,

Originally Posted by perryny

I've been told this before, and here's what has me confused. The below article is 380 words...

Independent Computer Consultant - How to Sell Clients on Managed Services

I posted it about 6 weeks ago and it is far and away my most popular article, receiving 477 views so far. And ONE click-through

Some Important Tips For You

Here are some tips to help you do better article marketing:

1. Try to bare in mind this - Always do extensive keyword research, find exact search count of 30 and above, with phrase 10,000 and allintitle match of 1,000. This will guarantee your article receive enough view.

2. I know there are limited number of keywords that are related to your niche directly, so you need to think out of the box, think from the perspective of your customer, who else need your service? And what kind of keywords would lead them to you? Don't go deep first, go broad!

3. One key to AIDA article - you need to write article for fast scan reading! Meaning your article must be able to deliver the message by just looking at the sub header, here are some good example: (Don't look at the view count, they pick the wrong keywords :P )

5 Powerful Tips to Lose Weight Fast and Quick From the Comfort of Your Home - Lose Weight Right Away

5 Powerful Tips For Low Fat Eating - Lose Weight by Cutting Out Bad Habits at Work

3 Powerful Ways to Follow Twitterers on Your Cell Phone

How to Cure Procrastination - 3 Powerful Ways to Stop Procrastination and Take Action

These articles use bold and sub-header to allow reader scan reading! The reader will be able to know the content by scan reading it!

Remember this - Always benefit, benefit and benefit in the sub-header, make them want to know more...

4. I highly recommend Dean Shainin E-book here:

SECRETS EXPOSED! 965,270 EzineArticles Views - WARNING: You're wasting time with EzineArticles..

One of the best ezinearticles course! If you want to learn the proper way, get this! Only $27!

And you need another e-book from Ryan to help you boost your click-through rate:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...95SIZNs4KApZnk

Get this 2 e-books, read it thoroughly and start getting serious article traffic today!

Originally Posted by perryny

It seems to me that my article title pulled them in, but my content turned them off. It's not my best article, but it's better than a lot of the spun crap I see out there. This is why I have a hard time believing that an outsourced writer, unless I hire a very expensive one, will get much better results.

Not really, I can get AIDA + SEO writer for only $5 / article. You need to learn the correct way of writing before outsourcing it, else you won't benefit much, because you can't evaluate the writer ability to produce the good article!

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Today, I rewrote the article (the revised version isn't approved or live yet) which is now about 750 words, but I believe much better written to target what the title promises. I'm looking forward to seeing if the conversion improves.
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Word count still too high. Try to use sub-header and boding those title for better result.

Benefit, benefit, benefit....!

Originally Posted by perryny

Oddly enough, some of my best performing articles in terms of click-through have a word count of close to 1000 words. I've experimented with both long and short articles.

I'll continue to try my best to make them short, but very well written.

I'm using both Yahoo Site Explorer and SEO SpyGlass (free version). I found a ton of great stuff this way. I also found that spying on experts in the field of backinking (like top ranking SEO Companies) is much more effective than spying on my direct competition.

Yes, that's very true!

Originally Posted by perryny

Plus, once the revenue starts to really roll in, I intend to continue to invest very heavily in my promotion/outsourcing efforts. By the time my competition tries to knock me from the top spot, I intend to be so far ahead, that catching up will be a very difficult task without tons of time and money to invest.

I will certainly keep you posted on all my findings and results.

-Robert

Thanks Robert, your feedback is most valuable to me and every other warriors here!

Originally Posted by hip-pop

wow. i also need traffic for my new wp blog. I am still learning Seo. I will try this also
Thanks. Page bookmarked now

Feel free to follow the thread too, you can subscribe this thread using "Thread Tools" menu at the top of this page...

Ask me any questions about SEO, I will try to answer them ASAP!

Kok Choon

[Omix]

First of all, THANKS kkchoon! i think this is the most profitable post on the forum. If you start coaching or any course, email or PM me please!

And now, two quick questions. If I write articles with easy to rank keywords from my niche, that articles will beat my own website on the results, aren't them?

Should I do backlinks to my own website and forget that articles?

And.. if (as example) I do a backlink on a PR7 website to my money site with AnchorText1, and 1 week later i do a new backlink in the same site with AnchorText2... both backlinks are good for ranking my money site? or just 1 backlink counts?

Thanks in advance!

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Omix

First of all, THANKS kkchoon! i think this is the most profitable post on the forum. If you start coaching or any course, email or PM me please!

You are welcome! Will notify you when we start a coaching or any course!

Originally Posted by Omix

And now, two quick questions. If I write articles with easy to rank keywords from my niche, that articles will beat my own website on the results, aren't them?

It might, depends on how many links your site have. You will get multiple listing, not matter which rank, still back to your site, right?

Originally Posted by Omix

Should I do backlinks to my own website and forget that articles?

And.. if (as example) I do a backlink on a PR7 website to my money site with AnchorText1, and 1 week later i do a new backlink in the same site with AnchorText2... both backlinks are good for ranking my money site? or just 1 backlink counts?

Thanks in advance!

If you have 2 keywords to the same site, and your page contain these 2 keywords, it should have effect on both keywords - ranking would rise.

However, when more links to one of the keywords, that keyword would raise higher while the other one might lower a bit...

Unless you have massive links to both keywords, and they will rank for both keywords on page 1.

This is just a general concept...

Kok Choon

[K. Rondo]

kkchoon,

When you say find exact search count of 30 and above, do you mean:

30 exact searches per day=900 exact searches per month?
or
30 total exact searches per month?

I don't have any kw software and will be using the Adwords KW Tool

Thankyou in advance for answering my question.
I'm trying to learn the right way of doing kw research.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Hi Robert,



Some Important Tips For You

Here are some tips to help you do better article marketing:

1. Try to bare in mind this - Always do extensive keyword research, find exact search count of 30 and above, with phrase 10,000 and allintitle match of 1,000. This will guarantee your article receive enough view...

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by K. Rondo

kkchoon,

When you say find exact search count of 30 and above, do you mean:

30 exact searches per day=900 exact searches per month?
or
30 total exact searches per month?

I don't have any kw software and will be using the Adwords KW Tool

Thankyou in advance for answering my question.
I'm trying to learn the right way of doing kw research.

Yes, I mean 900 / month! However, please expect about 40% of those figures come to your site, meaning you will get about 360 visitors if you are on position 1 of page 1.

If you ever want a keyword tool for SEO purpose, I highly recommend Market Samurai!

[breakdance]

Hey Mr. Choon, would you recommend that we create content for keywords that will only give us a minimal *500* searches per month?

[cashtech29]

Great stuff.
Thank you for sharing.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by breakdance

Hey Mr. Choon, would you recommend that we create content for keywords that will only give us a minimal *500* searches per month?

If you are using ezinearticles.com for traffic - yes, the key is the competition, if they low enough, then it worth the time to create the content.

See the formula on my previous posts....

The thing is - time vs return, we need to maximize our return for investment, that's the basic rule!

Originally Posted by cashtech29

Great stuff.
Thank you for sharing.

Hey, thanks for dropping by! Glad to share and help!

Kok Choon