Why Organic SEO Beats PPC

[LookItsMeTerryG]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Thanks for the detail reply, I've learned a lot here!

I am guessing that SEO expert do these kind of detail analysis for highly competitive keyword, and plan their attack strategy accordingly?

I prefer to keep thing simple - Just do the best on page and off page optimization to my site, and start kicking ass...!

Yep, the results that I get from that analysis helps me plan my attack and really figure out how much time I'll need to spend on the project, thus, estimate the cost to the client. That's my personal method though, not sure how everyone else does it. It works for me.

The biggest tip I can give to be successful in seo... is just to do it. And keep doing it.

[LookItsMeTerryG]

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

Is that why you're posting on Terry's thread under a different username, impersonating a newbie? Are you guys working together?

We can track IP addresses you know, and so can Moderators.

Yeah, I don't appreciate the UFC condescending reference.

Guys, Mr. Mac has been BSing his way through this entire thread. You will soon notice a banned sign under his user name.

Working together? No sir, I talked to Mac on the phone a few weeks back when I first started my SEO guy thread. We chatted about some local stuff, after him seeing me mention it in there. Haven't talked since then, except for an email I sent him to touch base about a week ago.

Also, what would be the benefit of us working together? This isn't a sales thread or anything. Actually, he just replied in my SEO guy thread too.

[LookItsMeTerryG]

Wait, I just looked, where do you see him under a different username impersonating a newbie?

[MacFreddie]

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

Is that why you're posting on Terry's thread under a different username, impersonating a newbie? Are you guys working together?

We can track IP addresses you know, and so can Moderators.

Yeah, I don't appreciate the UFC condescending reference.

Guys, Mr. Mac has been BSing his way through this entire thread. You will soon notice a banned sign under his user name.

Daniel, are you serious? C'mon bud, don't get so defensive.

I've talked on the phone with Terry for several hours previously, he's a great guy.

Terry doesn't need my help nor anyone else, he is very successful without any input from anyone.

What I told you was True, no BS.

I told you before I respect what you have done with your SEO skills, but I have to give Terry credit also. Terrys been doing SEO for almost 10 years and has Fortune 500 companies as clients.

My point was this, If I gave Terry my inside secret about getting to #1 in less than 72 hours, then yes, it would be like Lessnar vs Mir.

And vice-versa if I gave it to you.

I have tremendous respect for both of you.

Chill out man.

Sincerely,

Mac

[LookItsMeTerryG]

How do you know mac and NTN are the same person? I looked in my thread and both profiles and saw no indication of that. I dont' even think it really matters in the long run, I'm not selling anything, neither is he. There's nothing to be gained here by doing so.

[Daniel Molano]

Anyway, this is not even an SEO methodology debate. Let's get back on track.

I really have to go now, but I'll be back later.

[Universal_Soul]

but there is still good 'ol Emelianenko out there....

[Universal_Soul]

and I think you both guys Terry and Mac should share your secrets with me, as I'm a good man and a lot of people would be happier thanks to the goods I sell..... The more the better I'd say.

[LookItsMeTerryG]

Originally Posted by Universal_Soul

and I think you both guys Terry and Mac should share your secrets with me, as I'm a good man and a lot of people would be happier thanks to the goods I sell..... The more the better I'd say.

Hey man, I never claimed to have any secrets! I'd be glad to help you out though, I'm available via phone or msn. Just pm me your info.

[smoothii]

Daniel, I find your post very inspirational after learning that it took you only 1yr and 3 months to get that kind of traffic or rather that successful at seo.

My question is where did you learn your seo? I'm assuming it was a combination of many things but what was your main education?

Rina

[MSGeek]

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

But anyway, I will not continue this debate until someone brings their own rankings to the table.

Really? How, for example, about my argument of using PPC to quickly test a niche before investing time and money into the site, content, SEO, and, potentially, even a product? How is SEO better than PPC for this purpose?

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by MSGeek

Really? How, for example, about my argument of using PPC to quickly test a niche before investing time and money into the site, content, SEO, and, potentially, even a product? How is SEO better than PPC for this purpose?

Lol, do you know how Jeff Johnson do his research?

We can build bunch of auto blogs before attacking a market, just an idea is enough to build these blogs!

Don't for a moment think that building these blogs take a lot of time! You can automate all these stuff with minimum spending! And the greatest part, each blog actually contribute the income from adsense or amazon sales!

After setup bunch of auto blogs, let it run by its' own, auto backlinks and let it grow until a point where some hit the Jackpot, just like PPC!

We enter the market when the traffic starts to jump high, adding more content and banner ads to redirect the traffic to our money site. No time and money wasted, and we get to build tons of nice sites that we can easily monetize from selling it!

Both PPC and organic works great, but organic search tends to have lower cost in long run, that's the fact!

[MustafaKamal]

I like your idea choon!

I find it very cost efficient and a foresight investment worth killing the time for.

At the same time, I have to agree on organic search as it is indeed a wise method to actually get traffic in the long run.

Kudos to SEO!

[Daniel Molano]

Originally Posted by MSGeek

Really? How, for example, about my argument of using PPC to quickly test a niche before investing time and money into the site, content, SEO, and, potentially, even a product? How is SEO better than PPC for this purpose?

I already agreed on the diversification aspect long ago. As for the debate, I'm speaking of which beats which in terms of the stand alone method.

[Mike Anthony]

Well you called it. Wish Macfreddie would have been able to stick around. As a newbie on this forum I had my pen and paper out on how he was going to dominate number one in 72 hours. Oh well back to fudging around without his "secret".

[Avidpoet]

Originally Posted by ipenema

I dont think there algorythm is as scary as they like us to believe its just to many pages out there to keep a tight hold of unless you got Bigfoot sized footprints for them to follow.

Must be an echo in here lol I said the same thing in post #5 thanks for posting it again I think

[sree94]

I will say this much... it is very hard to go back to doing SEO after PPC

The reason? Traffic and sales come SOOOO much faster with PPC

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

Well, if I thought like that I would be losing most of my profit.

When you handle massive amounts of targeted traffic like I do (100,000 unique visitors per month or so), even the slightest change in conversion means hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.

And I know for a fact SEO has a better conversion, I've split tested this about 100 times.

Simple math.

In one of my biggest split tests (10,000 uniques from both sources), my PPC traffic had about 2.3% conversion and my SEO had a 3.1% conversion.

That's not much of a difference when you handle low amounts of targeted traffic.

But using my average overall traffic (100,000 unique visitors per month):

100,000 x 2.3% x $30 average price point = $69,000 USD per month

100,000 x 3.1% x $30 average price point = $93,000 USD per month

That's a $24,000 USD per month loss for thinking like that.

And that's only in sales, add 100,000 clicks per month to your PPC loss. At $0.5 per click which is not rare, you just lost another $50,000 per month. Your PPC profit is down to $19,000 USD per month.

Whereas my SEO campaign costs me $2,000 per month at most.

So let's recap. Under this scenario.

PPC = $288,000 USD per year.

SEO = $1,092,000 USD per year.

And in 100% of my split tests, this has been proven to be true. SEO has a better conversion.

Are you telling me it doesn't matter?

Both together should be about 1.3 right?

This is only your testing and you may be doing it wrong. I've been doing seo and ppc since one cent clicks at 7 search and I'm here to tell you if you can't make money from ppc you don't know what you're doing. Both models have pluses and minuses. PPC is quick and great for market research and seo is good for taking advantage of that market research. Both have their place and both are very valuable. Some of my clients have made $100,000 per year using ppc spending $300 per month in adspend along with seo while others in their market are only making the average for the trade. $50k

[Buhry]

Must say I'm impressed and inspired by your success in ranking for business consulting, Daniel. According to Market Samurai you are currently number 2! Do you have any product aside from the 10 commandments of seo, the newbie product you are offering for free, and the consulting? Like some tactics for link building for achieving these high rankings? I would be willing to pay quite a bit to know that... But not 10 grand at the moment! XD