I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad

pheonix44 · 08-29-2009, 03:38 PM

I just wanted to share with you a quick experience. I have a blog I have not touched for months yet its home page has a pr3 already within 3 months. I have not touched it at all. All I did was submit an article to eza, put a link on this forum, and get my article picked up by two other webmasters off of eza who published my content on their site. So about 4-5 links in all. Yet my home page is pr3. I do not get it. I am beginning to believe that google looks for slow link building done over a consistent period of time as supposed to hundreds a month from various sources. I could be wrong about this, but I do not understand how I have this high PR rank already when I have not touched this site.

lilgrace · 08-29-2009, 03:44 PM

Google doesn't crawl every site every day so it will not pick up all the backlinks you create at the same time anyway. It sometimes takes a month or two for it to even pick up a backlink you make.

bgmacaw · 08-29-2009, 03:49 PM

That's not fast link building. Fast link building is building 10K+ links within 24 or fewer hours that all use the same anchor text and are from low value or new sites. That's not what you're describing. You're mistaking coincidence with causality.

pheonix44 · 08-29-2009, 03:52 PM

I speak of it because in the past when I have done things to build hundreds of links a week I got no pr, this time I only do 4 or five and now I have Pr. I find it kind of weird. Maybe Google has some tricks we do not know about. We all walk around thinking that do-follow or no-follow means something, but maybe this is what Google wants us to think.

08-29-2009, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pheonix44

I just wanted to share with you a quick experience. I have a blog I have not touched for months yet its home page has a pr3 already within 3 months. I have not touched it at all. All I did was submit an article to eza, put a link on this forum, and get my article picked up by two other webmasters off of eza who published my content on their site. So about 4-5 links in all. Yet my home page is pr3. I do not get it. I am beginning to believe that google looks for slow link building done over a consistent period of time as supposed to hundreds a month from various sources. I could be wrong about this, but I do not understand how I have this high PR rank already when I have not touched this site.

Now Now Robin, I have already proved this in email to you ... Google has no idea what type of backlinks you are building and where and when and how... That's right, they do not know... Fact : Google can not be in all places at aonce and google does not know who or what is creating those backlinks.

As I have provided you with hard proof from google itself - Quliaty matters over quantity any day of the week but at the same time you should be listed everyplace you can get listed.

I am not going to release those results here but you have seen this for your own eyes. Brand new site, not even launched yet and almost dominating google 1st and 2nd page for a several HIGHLY COMPETITIVE keyword phrase...

Syndication is a powerful thing and let's just put to rest this crap about "if you build links too fast you will suffer" .. If I publish a press release with PR Web and I pay the $300 or whatever it is now for their full blown service then guess what ?? My press release is going to thousands upon thousands of place "All At One Time" ... This is just one example, do you think my site or press release will suffer ??? No! fact is it is done every single day by many individuals and news sites.

James

Andyhenry · 08-29-2009, 03:58 PM

This is nothing to do with speed.

Hundreds a month/week is nothing.

Google don't care how fast your links come.

It's NORMAL for a business to advertise and get hundreds of links in a day.

If all you do is write a few articles and submit them with isnare over a couple of months you can easily get a PR of 5 (I do this all the time).

The search engines care more about the quality of the links (if you're constantly interlinking your own sites, they'll start penalising the links), but if they're coming from unrelated sites all over the internet - why would they penalise it?

The reason people think that follow or no-follow means something is because they care about traffic and links.

Speculating about what Google has in its algorithms is a waste of time.

Google show you what they like - they put them at the top of the search engine results.

Any normal business will get lots of links quickly - that's not a problem in itself.

pheonix44 · 08-29-2009, 04:02 PM

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08-29-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pheonix44

YOU FELL FOR MY TRICK RICH JERK. NOW TELL ME HOW YOU DO IT

LOL ... I will PM you when I get a few minutes don't worry... I always answer my PM's.. Some may be late (I do get alot of PM's for some reason) but I will answer them..lol

James

akasher · 08-29-2009, 05:31 PM

My blog used to be ranked #5, and when I left it in the dust for a few months, it went down to #31!

So yes and no! Fast linkbuilding is good for short-term results (I used blog commenting, squidoo, and directories!) and longterm linkbuilding is good! (High PR backlinks)

timpears · 08-29-2009, 05:38 PM

I am not sure what your point is with your PR3 statement. What value does a PR have anyway? I often see PR0 as the first listing in a search, and generally traffic will depend highly on where you land in the search results. So other than bragging rights, what good is that ranking for anyway?

Back links help with your position on the SERPS as far as I can determine. So he who has the most, best back links will usually win. I am sure that the PR rank is in the alog, but must be a minor part. But when you are placing your links, the higher the PR the more they will boost your position. That is when it counts, as far as I can determine anyway.

I am open to someone telling me that I am full of crap though. But so far, that is what I understand the situation to be.

Floyd Bogart · 08-29-2009, 07:25 PM

Exactly Tim!

I keep seeing people rating their SEO by what their PR is when all it means is that you OUTGOING Links carry more juice! If your goal is to sell links then great! Congrats!!

Otherwise you need to monitor your position on Google for your keywords...

Riposte · 08-29-2009, 10:21 PM

Starting in May, I built 60 sites, each with 5-10 pages of fully unique, well written content.

Since then I have added about 300-500 links to each site. Currently, Yahoo is showing about 100-200 backlinks for each site.

95% of them are sandboxed, and have been since April or May. NO traffic at all; buried DEEP in the search results for their targeted keywords, or not showing up at all (but they are all still indexed).

So yes, speed does matter, combined with quality. I must have gotten too many poor quality links too quickly. I don't know what else it could be.

pan2588 · 08-29-2009, 11:36 PM

I think that when you are submitting site to directories, you can go fast with that, but when you are posting for blogs, forums, or social bookmarking sites, you need to be slow, and post with responsibility, or you may get negative points for spamming.

timpears · 08-30-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Riposte

Starting in May, I built 60 sites, each with 5-10 pages of fully unique, well written content.

Since then I have added about 300-500 links to each site. Currently, Yahoo is showing about 100-200 backlinks for each site.

95% of them are sandboxed, and have been since April or May. NO traffic at all; buried DEEP in the search results for their targeted keywords, or not showing up at all (but they are all still indexed).

So yes, speed does matter, combined with quality. I must have gotten too many poor quality links too quickly. I don't know what else it could be.

Did you ever consider for one second that maybe you don't have ENOUGH links? 300 to 500 is not that many links. There is no reason that you shouldn't be getting that many a month or a week. If you were getting 10,000 a month, then I MIGHT consider that you were getting a lot.

Do you have the links going to just the home page or are they spread out over the different pages? If they are just going to the home page, then I think that is a mistake. If they are going to the various pages, then you only have a very few links per page. I see many pages that will have link numbers in the thousands and tens of thousands. So you can probably multiply that by five to ten to get the real number. By my calculation, you don't have many links to your site.

Just my opinion, and worth exactly what you paid for it. I am not an expert of any kind. Unless you understand that an ex is a has been, and a spert is a drip under pressure. Then I may qualify.

juggernautbitch · 08-30-2009, 06:16 PM

well, from my personal experience, Google ignores fast link building in some industries. However, it definitely has a red flag status for quick link building in other industries.

The so called sandbox does not actually exist. What's really happening is that Google is noticing an unnatural backlink profile and devaluing those links. Thats why you may have a site that ranks high, then drops and doesnt come back (unlike the traditional Google Dance effect). This may appear to be a sandbox but whats actually happened is the backlinks have just been devalued, thus placing you where your site should actually be.

timpears · 08-30-2009, 06:55 PM

I believe that if you only have dofollow links, that Google will become suspicious. That would be unnatural. You need to have plenty of nofollow links, as well as dofollow. No follow are not worth as much obviously, but they still have value. And Google is not the only search engine, but it is the only one that pays attention to the do or don't follow code. So those nofollow links will count for Bing and Yahoo and the others. If you don't have any of them, then it is a little suspicious, because the world does not react that way.

breakdance · 08-30-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernautbitch

well, from my personal experience, Google ignores fast link building in some industries. However, it definitely has a red flag status for quick link building in other industries.

Mr. JB, what about for the *insurance* niche? Also, what "other industries" are you talking about, as well?

timpears · 08-30-2009, 08:42 PM

It is a little suspect to me that Google cares what industry you are in regards the speed at which you get links. Of all the things in the algorithm it is hard for me to buy that the industry that you are in gives you a variant to the speed at which you can accumulate links.

If you did something that got the notice of the world, and hundreds of thousands of sites put something on their site about you, Google would then penalize you? Somehow I doubt that. Google is not going to penalize you for something that someone else did, and they do not have any way to tell if you are spreading those links or they are being generated by the site owner, in most cases.

None of us know for sure what Google does, but believing in that rises to the level of believing in the tooth fairy, as far as I am concerned. I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again, and if I am wrong about this, then I can live with it. But this is what I believe.

Riposte · 09-01-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by timpears

Did you ever consider for one second that maybe you don't have ENOUGH links? 300 to 500 is not that many links.

No, because there are irrelevant sites with no links that are outranking my sites.

kkchoon · 09-03-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pheonix44

I just wanted to share with you a quick experience. I have a blog I have not touched for months yet its home page has a pr3 already within 3 months. I have not touched it at all. All I did was submit an article to eza, put a link on this forum, and get my article picked up by two other webmasters off of eza who published my content on their site. So about 4-5 links in all. Yet my home page is pr3. I do not get it. I am beginning to believe that google looks for slow link building done over a consistent period of time as supposed to hundreds a month from various sources. I could be wrong about this, but I do not understand how I have this high PR rank already when I have not touched this site.

That's PR 3, if you keep building High PR backlinks within 3 months, your site can reach PR4!

It's not just about how many links you get, you need a lot of High PR links to reach better ranking. BTW PR4 requires 10+ times more links than PR3, you can try 4-5 links for another month, it just won't get to PR4!

Quote:

Originally Posted by timpears

I believe that if you only have dofollow links, that Google will become suspicious. That would be unnatural. You need to have plenty of nofollow links, as well as dofollow. No follow are not worth as much obviously, but they still have value. And Google is not the only search engine, but it is the only one that pays attention to the do or don't follow code. So those nofollow links will count for Bing and Yahoo and the others. If you don't have any of them, then it is a little suspicious, because the world does not react that way.

Mixing links are one of the key factor in ranking, some call it link diversity... whatever that is.

Mixing links from different sources, varying their keywords, follow, nofollow and bunch of things.... just mix it up!

jacksonlin · 09-03-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by timpears

Did you ever consider for one second that maybe you don't have ENOUGH links? 300 to 500 is not that many links. There is no reason that you shouldn't be getting that many a month or a week. If you were getting 10,000 a month, then I MIGHT consider that you were getting a lot.

Do you have the links going to just the home page or are they spread out over the different pages? If they are just going to the home page, then I think that is a mistake. If they are going to the various pages, then you only have a very few links per page. I see many pages that will have link numbers in the thousands and tens of thousands. So you can probably multiply that by five to ten to get the real number. By my calculation, you don't have many links to your site.

Just my opinion, and worth exactly what you paid for it. I am not an expert of any kind. Unless you understand that an ex is a has been, and a spert is a drip under pressure. Then I may qualify.

In my experience he did get sandboxed because of too many links at once.

I have 5 sites.

2 followed a slow and steady linking pattern using AMA and UAW. After3 months I started pumping hundreds of links to them. Result = First page rankings! Hooray!

So I thought to myself...

Heck, I'll supercharge my 3 new sites... So I submitted articles to AMA and UAW without setting an article submission limit. Within 3 weeks I had thousands of links to my site... Then UAW stopped submitting... Result? Initially I was getting first page rankings, but as soon as the UAW links stopped. My SERPs dropped into the hundreds...

So with new sites, too many links at once then none at all DOES HURT!

Learn from my mistake!

J

casinojack · 09-03-2009, 01:36 PM

Disagree with almost everyone

My experience, is not how many too many or not enough...

CONSTANT LINK BUILDING

I have one site I try and add 200 - 500 a day. 6 days a week. yes it left google for about 2 weeks, but I kept building.....now is back doing well. Let me mention these tops and they are true

1. All links should have my keyword = FALSE! Make some links like this

URL
here
link

I do this, as many blogger really link this way, so I mix and match those as my anchor text.

2. Releveant links only - FALSE. Again get some anywhere. Some, not all.
3. PR4 or higher - FALSe - Are we trying to look natural or not?

My 2 cents....

08-29-2009, 03:38 PM	#1
pheonix44 Robin Abernathy War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 916 Thanks: 2 Thanked 133 Times in 87 Posts	I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad I just wanted to share with you a quick experience. I have a blog I have not touched for months yet its home page has a pr3 already within 3 months. I have not touched it at all. All I did was submit an article to eza, put a link on this forum, and get my article picked up by two other webmasters off of eza who published my content on their site. So about 4-5 links in all. Yet my home page is pr3. I do not get it. I am beginning to believe that google looks for slow link building done over a consistent period of time as supposed to hundreds a month from various sources. I could be wrong about this, but I do not understand how I have this high PR rank already when I have not touched this site.
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08-29-2009, 03:44 PM	#2
lilgrace Sara is my name! War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 173 Thanks: 168 Thanked 33 Times in 27 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad Google doesn't crawl every site every day so it will not pick up all the backlinks you create at the same time anyway. It sometimes takes a month or two for it to even pick up a backlink you make.
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bgmacaw Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Atlanta GA Metro Area, USA. Posts: 3,643 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 311 Thanked 925 Times in 644 Posts Social Networking	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad That's not fast link building. Fast link building is building 10K+ links within 24 or fewer hours that all use the same anchor text and are from low value or new sites. That's not what you're describing. You're mistaking coincidence with causality.
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08-29-2009, 03:52 PM	#4
pheonix44 Robin Abernathy War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 916 Thanks: 2 Thanked 133 Times in 87 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad I speak of it because in the past when I have done things to build hundreds of links a week I got no pr, this time I only do 4 or five and now I have Pr. I find it kind of weird. Maybe Google has some tricks we do not know about. We all walk around thinking that do-follow or no-follow means something, but maybe this is what Google wants us to think.
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08-29-2009, 03:58 PM	#6
Andyhenry Beware - Straight Talker War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,263 Blog Entries: 25 Thanks: 1,180 Thanked 4,492 Times in 1,497 Posts Social Networking	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad This is nothing to do with speed. Hundreds a month/week is nothing. Google don't care how fast your links come. It's NORMAL for a business to advertise and get hundreds of links in a day. If all you do is write a few articles and submit them with isnare over a couple of months you can easily get a PR of 5 (I do this all the time). The search engines care more about the quality of the links (if you're constantly interlinking your own sites, they'll start penalising the links), but if they're coming from unrelated sites all over the internet - why would they penalise it? The reason people think that follow or no-follow means something is because they care about traffic and links. Speculating about what Google has in its algorithms is a waste of time. Google show you what they like - they put them at the top of the search engine results. Any normal business will get lots of links quickly - that's not a problem in itself.
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08-29-2009, 04:02 PM	#7
pheonix44 Robin Abernathy War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 916 Thanks: 2 Thanked 133 Times in 87 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad YOU FELL FOR MY TRICK RICH JERK. NOW TELL ME HOW YOU DO IT
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08-29-2009, 05:31 PM	#9
akasher Cash Illusionist Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The U. S. of A Posts: 36 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad My blog used to be ranked #5, and when I left it in the dust for a few months, it went down to #31! So yes and no! Fast linkbuilding is good for short-term results (I used blog commenting, squidoo, and directories!) and longterm linkbuilding is good! (High PR backlinks)

08-29-2009, 05:38 PM	#10
timpears Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 3,369 Thanks: 288 Thanked 527 Times in 380 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad I am not sure what your point is with your PR3 statement. What value does a PR have anyway? I often see PR0 as the first listing in a search, and generally traffic will depend highly on where you land in the search results. So other than bragging rights, what good is that ranking for anyway? Back links help with your position on the SERPS as far as I can determine. So he who has the most, best back links will usually win. I am sure that the PR rank is in the alog, but must be a minor part. But when you are placing your links, the higher the PR the more they will boost your position. That is when it counts, as far as I can determine anyway. I am open to someone telling me that I am full of crap though. But so far, that is what I understand the situation to be.
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08-29-2009, 07:25 PM	#11
Floyd Bogart SemiLiterate Marketer War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 554 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 11 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts Social Networking	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad Exactly Tim! I keep seeing people rating their SEO by what their PR is when all it means is that you OUTGOING Links carry more juice! If your goal is to sell links then great! Congrats!! Otherwise you need to monitor your position on Google for your keywords...
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08-29-2009, 10:21 PM	#12
Riposte HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 150 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad Starting in May, I built 60 sites, each with 5-10 pages of fully unique, well written content. Since then I have added about 300-500 links to each site. Currently, Yahoo is showing about 100-200 backlinks for each site. 95% of them are sandboxed, and have been since April or May. NO traffic at all; buried DEEP in the search results for their targeted keywords, or not showing up at all (but they are all still indexed). So yes, speed does matter, combined with quality. I must have gotten too many poor quality links too quickly. I don't know what else it could be.

08-29-2009, 11:36 PM	#13
pan2588 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad I think that when you are submitting site to directories, you can go fast with that, but when you are posting for blogs, forums, or social bookmarking sites, you need to be slow, and post with responsibility, or you may get negative points for spamming.
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08-30-2009, 06:16 PM	#15
juggernautbitch Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 59 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad well, from my personal experience, Google ignores fast link building in some industries. However, it definitely has a red flag status for quick link building in other industries. The so called sandbox does not actually exist. What's really happening is that Google is noticing an unnatural backlink profile and devaluing those links. Thats why you may have a site that ranks high, then drops and doesnt come back (unlike the traditional Google Dance effect). This may appear to be a sandbox but whats actually happened is the backlinks have just been devalued, thus placing you where your site should actually be.

08-30-2009, 06:55 PM	#16
timpears Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 3,369 Thanks: 288 Thanked 527 Times in 380 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad I believe that if you only have dofollow links, that Google will become suspicious. That would be unnatural. You need to have plenty of nofollow links, as well as dofollow. No follow are not worth as much obviously, but they still have value. And Google is not the only search engine, but it is the only one that pays attention to the do or don't follow code. So those nofollow links will count for Bing and Yahoo and the others. If you don't have any of them, then it is a little suspicious, because the world does not react that way.
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08-30-2009, 08:42 PM	#18
timpears Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 3,369 Thanks: 288 Thanked 527 Times in 380 Posts	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad It is a little suspect to me that Google cares what industry you are in regards the speed at which you get links. Of all the things in the algorithm it is hard for me to buy that the industry that you are in gives you a variant to the speed at which you can accumulate links. If you did something that got the notice of the world, and hundreds of thousands of sites put something on their site about you, Google would then penalize you? Somehow I doubt that. Google is not going to penalize you for something that someone else did, and they do not have any way to tell if you are spreading those links or they are being generated by the site owner, in most cases. None of us know for sure what Google does, but believing in that rises to the level of believing in the tooth fairy, as far as I am concerned. I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again, and if I am wrong about this, then I can live with it. But this is what I believe.
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09-03-2009, 01:36 PM	#22
casinojack Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Behind you! Posts: 20 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad Disagree with almost everyone My experience, is not how many too many or not enough... CONSTANT LINK BUILDING I have one site I try and add 200 - 500 a day. 6 days a week. yes it left google for about 2 weeks, but I kept building.....now is back doing well. Let me mention these tops and they are true 1. All links should have my keyword = FALSE! Make some links like this URL here link I do this, as many blogger really link this way, so I mix and match those as my anchor text. 2. Releveant links only - FALSE. Again get some anywhere. Some, not all. 3. PR4 or higher - FALSe - Are we trying to look natural or not? My 2 cents....