Banned From Google! Careful, This May Happen to You

[djbory]

Banned From Google! Careful, This May Happen to You

Please any advise…

I had 3 websites in first page of Google, for several keywords… They had been making me a pretty decent amount of money consistently for a while.

Suddenly one site disappeared from Google about 3 months ago; I keep building backlinks to see if it returned but nothing happened.

About 2 months ago, another site disappeared from the listings and about a week the other site went the same way.

They are still indexed by Google because when I do the search mydomain.com they show up, but after all of them being in the first page of Google for several keywords and suddenly not ranking for any keywords means to me that they were banned.

The only thing I was doing in common to all sites was ‘3 WAY LINKING’ Does anybody have had a similar situation? Or do you guys have heard about this or think this could happen because of the 3 WAY LINKING?

This is the only reason I came come up with since the sites all have original frequently update high quality content. They are SEO in-site optimized as well.

I was building profiles backlinks to them, but I don’t really think this is a reason to be banned…

I was thinking to remove myself from the 3 WAY LINKING and resubmit the sites to Google for consideration… Any comments?

Any advice or comment would be appreciated.

Djbory.

[bellabee]

Why do you consider them banned if they're still indexed? Perhaps there isn't adequate SEO work done to keep them ranked highly?

[djbory]

Originally Posted by bellabee

Why do you consider them banned if they're still indexed? Perhaps there isn't adequate SEO work done to keep them ranked highly?

I never stopped building backlinks. And they are not new sites, I have been building backlinks for a year and they moved up slowly to the the first page of Google...

They are SEO optimized and I have been building all kinds of backlinks: Blogs, Forums, Bookmarks, Profiles, Articles, etc... They all show more than 400 backlinks in yahoo...

I don't see any other reason they would desapeared...

And even though they are still indexed, obviously they have been penalized or somethig...

Thanks for your comment...

[Hyaku_Man]

Are you using something automated for the content? Or do you write it all yourself?

[David Chung]

How does your site do in Google Caffeine search results? Maybe it will pop back up once they implement their new search engine.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Hyaku_Man

Are you using something automated for the content? Or do you write it all yourself?

No I usually outsource content...but is good quality...

[djbory]

Originally Posted by david2885

How does your site do in Google Caffeine search results? Maybe it will pop back up once they implement their new search engine.

What is Google caffeine search and how can I use it?

I use Google PageRank Cheker...

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by djbory

What is Google caffeine search and how can I use it?

I use Google PageRank Cheker...

Google

Google are working on a new search index (with more accurate search results and all) - codenamed Caffeine.

[Jimerson Farveez]

Have you followed the following format in your 3 way?
A--B, B--C, C--A
If yes, I think google identified that and noted that you are doing that for SEO purpose and may banned you.

If you do as follows,
A--B, B--C --- That is fine, I don't think that is an issue,

Which pattern/format you followed? 1st or 2nd?

[djbory]

Originally Posted by mark135

I hate it here when people say stuff like

"if you put mydomain.com in google and you come up you are still indexed therefore you are not banned and everything is fine"

That is Bull absolute Bull.

I understand what you are going through, it's never happened to me but i understand.

what page are you now on for the keywors which previously had you on page one

Thanks so much for your reply... Now we understad each other....

The case is I'm not in any page... I'm not ranking for any of my keywords... Not in page 10, or page 200... nowhere to be found. and I use Google PageRank Cheker that is very accurate.

The same with the 3 sites...

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Jimerson Farveez

Have you followed the following format in your 3 way?
A--B, B--C, C--A
If yes, I think google identified that and noted that you are doing that for SEO purpose and may banned you.

If you do as follows,
A--B, B--C --- That is fine, I don't think that is an issue,

Which pattern/format you followed? 1st or 2nd?

When I mention 3 WAY LINKING I don't mean the way I link my blogs or sites, I mean 3 WAY LINK SYSTEM where hundreds of sites link toghether with the purpouse of getting backlinks.

[Kappa]

Don't get paralyzed, move to a new domain and start over.

[juggernautbitch]

Sounds like you've been penalised for something.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Kappa

Don't get paralyzed, move to a new domain and start over.

It is not that easy. When you have been building links for 6 months and have over 400 quality links pointing to your sites you just don't forget about it.

And if you do it, you at least need to know what went wrong so it doesn't happen the same thing all over again.

[jtooder]

Is the 3 Way Linking a service or manual thing you are doing?

In your 3 way linking, are the sites (any involved) on the same IP, server, etc..?

It appears you have footprints somewhere in your efforts. PM me if you like me to have a look and make suggestions.

Lately Google is tinkering with it's algo and many are reporting getting banned lately.

JT

[Carl Pruitt]

For most people, the termed "banned" means completely removed from the index. If you come up on a site search, then by most people's definition you are not "banned" you are sandboxed or penalized.

Either way, of course, it is the same difference to you. You are not making any money from your websites!

Don't take this personally, because it isn't intended that way, but obviously although you believe that those are quality links and there is quality content, Google must have a different opinion for some unknown reason. It will be very, very difficult for anyone here to give you a valid "diagnosis" without actually knowing the sites so the advice you get here will necessarily be general and most likely frustrating.

My personal experience is that almost any sort of linking service or SEO trick eventually draws a crowd of webmasters attempting to game the system. Is it possible that Google has caught up with that, recognized a pattern and this is some sort of "Google slap" against it? You might want to go back and do some research on a random sampling of the sites linking to you to see if any of them have been punished in the same manner.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by jtooder

Is the 3 Way Linking a service or manual thing you are doing?

In your 3 way linking, are the sites (any involved) on the same IP, server, etc..?

It appears you have footprints somewhere in your efforts. PM me if you like me to have a look and make suggestions.

Lately Google is tinkering with it's algo and many are reporting getting banned lately.

JT

I'm involved in two diferent 3WAY LINKING Services. And I 3 way link my own sites as well. They are about 20 but I don't think it is against Google policy to link among your sites.

What do you think?

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Carl Pruitt

My personal experience is that almost any sort of linking service or SEO trick eventually draws a crowd of webmasters attempting to game the system. Is it possible that Google has caught up with that, recognized a pattern and this is some sort of "Google slap" against it? You might want to go back and do some research on a random sampling of the sites linking to you to see if any of them have been punished in the same manner.

That makes a lot of sense. All of the links come from pages with similar names like: friends.php or otherresources.php...

I always wonder if Google wouldn't notice the patern...

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Carl Pruitt

My personal experience is that almost any sort of linking service or SEO trick eventually draws a crowd of webmasters attempting to game the system. Is it possible that Google has caught up with that, recognized a pattern and this is some sort of "Google slap" against it? You might want to go back and do some research on a random sampling of the sites linking to you to see if any of them have been punished in the same manner.

Yeah. You almost never hear people talk about this. Google obviously has pattern recognitions built in to their filter system. The more widespread a technique becomes the less likely it is going to be effective (unless the technique is natural/organic which is what Google wants). Doesn't take a whole lot to write in code that changes the game. Thats why it pays not to go too heavy on one strategy. You need to mix it up.

[Tsarina]

I thought 3-way linking is safe. Are you sure that this is the cause?

[austinjames]

first thing that popped in my mind are your backlink.
Your back link may be suffering from something else and you're getting some of its part.

check it man. Sure you'll figure it out.
btw, thanks for sharing it.

[captivereef]

This has happened to me a few times. I have a mortgage site that has 2200 pages indexed and is 5 years old. A few times the site went from 500 google visitors a day to nothing, still indexed but only traffic from yahoo, MSN and article directories.

I lost all Google traffic for weeks to months then all of the sudden one day BOOM it was back and stronger then before. Its wierd and i will not claim to know what causes it but just keep on doing what you are doing and all should be well.

[Shaun Lee]

Is 3-Way Linking something like this: A-B, B-C, C-D, D-E, E-F, F-G, G-A?

[dburk]

Hi Djbory,

There are many possibilities, you could have a hidden exploit on your webserver, or your hosting company may have erroneously blocked Google from crawling your website. It's important to narrow the possibilities to avoid wasting time on fruitless pursuits.

The very first thing you should do is verify whether or not Google has dropped you from their index. Simply doing a search for your domain is inadequate because it may appear that you are still there but you could be a victim of a 302 Hijack. Use the site: operator with your domain name. This will tell you if your site is still truly indexed.

Next, if you haven't already done so, you should immediately setup an account at Google's Webmaster Tools and get your website verified. Once your site is verified, the diagnostics section of Webmaster Tools will let you know if the Googlebot is having any issues crawling or indexing your web pages.

Once you know all is well with the bots you can focus on other issues. Google does not like link schemes that are designed to manipulate PageRank. It's very likely that Google is on to your 3-way link scheme if there is any appearance of Pagerank manipulation then those backlinks have probably been devalued.

As mark135 suggested you could be linking to "bad neighborhoods" and Google will usually drop you from their index. When you link to a website without using the nofollow attibute you are personally vouching for the site you are linking to, Google will hold you accountable for anything bad they do. Your link partners in the 3-way could have been de-indexed for this very reason and again those links would have been devalued. While this might feel like you have been targeted for punishment it could actually be those other sites that were your link partners that have been banned and now your backlinks from them are worthless.

There are so many other possibilities, but start with these and report back if you still have not found the problem.

[Designerplus]

If you are outsourcing content you are probably doing something like selling some kind of text links or pay per post from the sounds of it. If you are on one of those sell to link kind of networks it's very possible you have been hit by the spam stick. Are you sure you're not selling links or linking to some bad neighbourhood? What are your websites? if you don't mention them in your post it sounds like you might be ashamed of them to begin with.

[devilishsaint]

Google is penalizing 3 way links so try to make 2 way or 1 way links.

[webpromoterservice]

have you signed up to google webmaster tools and yahoo site explorer?

That will tell you what is causing the problem

[Fernando Veloso]

Originally Posted by Jimerson Farveez

Have you followed the following format in your 3 way?
A--B, B--C, C--A
If yes, I think google identified that and noted that you are doing that for SEO purpose and may banned you.

If you do as follows,
A--B, B--C --- That is fine, I don't think that is an issue,

Which pattern/format you followed? 1st or 2nd?

Why sould he interlink his non-related sites when he can create a non-trackable linkwheel and do it way better?

Just a thought.

Fernando

[nicheminer]

I've seen this before with Google. Sites just disappear and the owner panicks, but most of the time, it is just Google deciding where to rank the site.

It might be a few weeks or months, but if the site is good with plenty of unique content, then it will pop back up. Usually higher than it was before it disappeared.

After all, it is not in Google's interest to de-index a useful site.

I agree that you should use Google webmaster tools and get the sites verified. It's a very easy process.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with 3 way linking.

Have you watched the current video on Jeff Johnson's blog?
How To Become A Super Affiliate In 5 Easy Steps | Jeff Johnson Underground Training Lab and Free SEO Blog Software

One of the points he makes, is to use 3 blogs, all on different servers/hosting that point to your money site. (Or affiliate site)

Graham

[jtooder]

3 way linking services can get you banned, they do work but more and more people are experiencing a serious drop in rankings. There is no common way to tell why it happens but it does.

For people who participate in 3 way linking services it is advised not to have all your eggs in one basket for the specific reason that you might get banned. My suggestion is to keep building up your other sites and hope the dropped one comes back.

GL

[Mike Anthony]

Anything you do over and over again can be tracked. What you have to do is change things up - break the pattern. Thats the problem with going with one technique that a "guru" teaches.

A) they usually do NOT teach you everything they do to rank their own sites.
B) Following one strategy develops a pattern that potentially Google can penalize.

Take three way linking. It happens naturally and theres no way for Google to claim it doesn't but if you overdo it you have created a pattern that is unlikely. What are the odds that every or even most of the sites you link to in turn link to a third site that just happens to link back to you? very unlikely unless you already are an authority site.

So there you have a red flag and what Google decides to do with the red flag is up to their next update.

Might not be the case here. In fact you may find tomorrow your site is right back to where it was or even higher. With hundreds of things google looks for you never can be sure and thats the way they want it.

[Marhelper]

You still have Yahoo, BING ...

[Amenda Jessera]

Originally Posted by djbory

When I mention 3 WAY LINKING I don't mean the way I link my blogs or sites, I mean 3 WAY LINK SYSTEM where hundreds of sites link toghether with the purpouse of getting backlinks.

Yes man, here you have gone. Google identified this. I think it has brought you more links within short time. So, it just given penality to your site.
It is usual, we have to be very alert specially we are using some automated systems to get backlinks.

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by djbory

Banned From Google! Careful, This May Happen to You

Please any advise…

I had 3 websites in first page of Google, for several keywords… They had been making me a pretty decent amount of money consistently for a while.

Suddenly one site disappeared from Google about 3 months ago; I keep building backlinks to see if it returned but nothing happened.

About 2 months ago, another site disappeared from the listings and about a week the other site went the same way.

They are still indexed by Google because when I do the search mydomain.com they show up, but after all of them being in the first page of Google for several keywords and suddenly not ranking for any keywords means to me that they were banned.

The only thing I was doing in common to all sites was ‘3 WAY LINKING’ Does anybody have had a similar situation? Or do you guys have heard about this or think this could happen because of the 3 WAY LINKING?

This is the only reason I came come up with since the sites all have original frequently update high quality content. They are SEO in-site optimized as well.

I was building profiles backlinks to them, but I don’t really think this is a reason to be banned…

I was thinking to remove myself from the 3 WAY LINKING and resubmit the sites to Google for consideration… Any comments?

Any advice or comment would be appreciated.

Djbory.

This thread teaches us a number of crucial points…

(1). The reason why so many people fail at Internet Marketing
(2). The value of doing your homework prior to engaging in SEO and Link Building
(3). The critical importance of receiving advice from seasoned IMers

To be clear, I’m not grilling ANYONE; this is simply an opportunity for all of us to learn including me.

@ djbory – when you joined that particular “3 WAY LINKING” network, if you recall, you were told you had to, “Upload a PHP file to your site” and then “Link to the PHP file from your home page.” I realize you were told in some form or fashion or another that there was NO WAY Google could detect what was going on. Virtually ALL of the link building networks that offer similar services make the same assertions.

However, in reality, they are GREATLY underestimating Matt Cutts and the entire Google Web Spam team! Theses guys have PhDs, hefty Google expense accounts and get paid SIX FIGURES to spend sun up and sun down figuring out these purportedly undetectable link schemes. Anytime you place a snippet of code on a website for the purposes of building backlinks, Matt Cutts and his crew is going to eventually sniff out that system no matter how elaborate it is; you can bank on that!

Here are some terms you must become familiar with as an IMer:

Google Slap
Google Banned (A.K.A. Google death penalty)
Google Sandbox
Google Dance
Google De-Indexed
Google Webmaster tools
Matt Cutts
Proper backlink building
Article Drip
SEO Optimization
Blackhat
Whitehat
Greyhat
LSI Latent Semantic Indexing
LSD - Whoops, that slipped in by mistake!!! Hahaha

If you are going to be a successful IMer, learn these terms, that way you know why Google takes certain actions and most importantly how to avoid coming on their radar… as a target! IMers who know and understand these terms - never panic when they detect changes on their keyword rankings.

Addressing your question about being banned, “You weren’t!” If you had been, you would get the “file not found” message when you searched for your pages. Remember in 2006 when Google banned BMW? That didn’t happen to you.

Also, in the particular three way linking network that you are apart of, if your site had been Banned by Google, that network would have immediately notified you and instantly given you the boot from their network. Because at that point you would become a liability to their entire network.


For those of you who want to succeed at IM, understand, you will have a hard row to tow taking a stab in the dark guessing at things. That’s the prime reason so many people fail at IM. If you are a noobie, you made a brilliant move by being part of the Warrior Forum. BUT, don’t make the grave of mistake of dispensing advice JUST to increase your post count. Because in the final analysis, you end misleading yourself and other noobies. You may not know this, but within this community are some of the top IMers on the World Wide Web and they are glad to answer your questions – when you’re not a hotshot 1 Poster know it all!

Take the advice of old hands; the seasoned Warriors who have been there and done that. If you follow that advice, your IM dreams will become a reality and your income will soar! Ans I mean S-O-A-R!


To answer your question as to what happened in your case; based upon your description of the chain of events and the fact that you stated you are not doing anything Blackhat, you are experiencing the Google Dance, that’s all folks!

[Steven Carl Kelly]

OP: If you don't have GWT, you really should.

[Fernando Veloso]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

OP: If you don't have GWT, you really should.

Why is that Steven? Cause of inside tracking and anomalies notifications, etc or there is something else?

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Why is that Steven? Cause of inside tracking and anomalies notifications, etc or there is something else?

There's a lot of good information in there, including where you rank for each of the keywords that people are using to find your site, problems that Google may have encountered in trying to crawl your site(s), the last date a site was crawled, etc.

One of the best things I have found to use it for is as a keyword suggestion tool. Sometimes I'll find a keyword phrase that Google is ranking me for that I never really thought of. So, for example, I had a site that had a particular keyword phrase on it that Google had my page coming up at #18. I spent a small amount of time doing a little SEO on that phrase and ended up ranking #3 or #4 for that term in just a few days.

[Orator]

You said you outsource your content, is there a chance someone has mislead you about the originality of it?

[LIndaB]

Steven, one thing I've always wondered about webmaster tools is whether it is wise to put all your sites into one account. Is it really wise to let Google know every single site you own? I've heard people say they open an account for every site, but that sounds like an awful lot of work. But on the flip side of that, if one site gets penalized for some reason, do you want Google closely scrutinizing all your other sites as well?

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

This thread teaches us a number of crucial points…

(1). The reason why so many people fail at Internet Marketing
(2). The value of doing your homework prior to engaging in SEO and Link Building
(3). The critical importance of receiving advice from seasoned IMers

To be clear, I’m not grilling ANYONE; this is simply an opportunity for all of us to learn including me.

@ djbory – when you joined that particular “3 WAY LINKING” network, if you recall, you were told you had to, “Upload a PHP file to your site” and then “Link to the PHP file from your home page.” I realize you were told in some form or fashion or another that there was NO WAY Google could detect what was going on. Virtually ALL of the link building networks that offer similar services make the same assertions.

However, in reality, they are GREATLY underestimating Matt Cutts and the entire Google Web Spam team! Theses guys have PhDs, hefty Google expense accounts and get paid SIX FIGURES to spend sun up and sun down figuring out these purportedly undetectable link schemes. Anytime you place a snippet of code on a website for the purposes of building backlinks, Matt Cutts and his crew is going to eventually sniff out that system no matter how elaborate it is; you can bank on that!

Here are some terms you must become familiar with as an IMer:

Google Slap
Google Banned (A.K.A. Google death penalty)
Google Sandbox
Google Dance
Google De-Indexed
Google Webmaster tools
Matt Cutts
Proper backlink building
Article Drip
SEO Optimization
BlueFart
Whitehat
Greyhat
LSI Latent Semantic Indexing
LSD - Whoops, that slipped in by mistake!!! Hahaha

If you are going to be a successful IMer, learn these terms, that way you know why Google takes certain actions and most importantly how to avoid coming on their radar… as a target! IMers who know and understand these terms - never panic when they detect changes on their keyword rankings.

Addressing your question about being banned, “You weren’t!” If you had been, you would get the “file not found” message when you searched for your pages. Remember in 2006 when Google banned BMW? That didn’t happen to you.

Also, in the particular three way linking network that you are apart of, if your site had been Banned by Google, that network would have immediately notified you and instantly given you the boot from their network. Because at that point you would become a liability to their entire network.


For those of you who want to succeed at IM, understand, you will have a hard row to tow taking a stab in the dark guessing at things. That’s the prime reason so many people fail at IM. If you are a noobie, you made a brilliant move by being part of the Warrior Forum. BUT, don’t make the grave of mistake of dispensing advice JUST to increase your post count. Because in the final analysis, you end misleading yourself and other noobies. You may not know this, but within this community are some of the top IMers on the World Wide Web and they are glad to answer your questions – when you’re not a hotshot 1 Poster know it all!

Take the advice of old hands; the seasoned Warriors who have been there and done that. If you follow that advice, your IM dreams will become a reality and your income will soar! Ans I mean S-O-A-R!


To answer your question as to what happened in your case; based upon your description of the chain of events and the fact that you stated you are not doing anything BlueFart, you are experiencing the Google Dance, that’s all folks!

Great post, very nice information I knew about 10 of those phrases, so learnt a few new ones

Still haven't really learnt what BlueFart is - but I'll keep looking

[djbory]

Thanks to all of you who have been trying to help…

Originally Posted by mark135

you say your involved in three way linking, presumably you are linking out to sites then, maybe you are linking to what google calls "bad neighborhoods " google is strongly against this

This is always a possibility but is impossible to tell because when you 3waylink you link back to dozens of sites. You don’t have control of it…

Originally Posted by debukur

I thought 3-way linking is safe. Are you sure that this is the cause?

I’m not sure. If I was sure I would’ve gotten out of it already. I need to be sure before I do that because those links are about 30% of all my links.

Originally Posted by captivereef

This has happened to me a few times. I have a mortgage site that has 2200 pages indexed and is 5 years old. A few times the site went from 500 google visitors a day to nothing, still indexed but only traffic from yahoo, MSN and article directories.

I lost all Google traffic for weeks to months then all of the sudden one day BOOM it was back and stronger then before. Its weird and i will not claim to know what causes it but just keep on doing what you are doing and all should be well.

I keep doing what I was doing but my first site is now gone for about 4 months, and they keep dropping like flies.

Originally Posted by SRLee

Is 3-Way Linking something like this: A-B, B-C, C-D, D-E, E-F, F-G, G-A?

No, 3way link is a service where all the sites link together in a 3 way scheme. The whole deal is managed automatically through a software.

Originally Posted by Designerplus

If you are outsourcing content you are probably doing something like selling some kind of text links or pay per post from the sounds of it. If you are on one of those sell to link kind of networks it's very possible you have been hit by the spam stick. Are you sure you're not selling links or linking to some bad neighborhood? What are your websites? if you don't mention them in your post it sounds like you might be ashamed of them to begin with.

I don’t understand what you mean, but I’ll try to answer… I don’t sell links. Yes, I could be linking to a bad neighbor, in 3waylink you don’t control to whom you are linking to. My websites are normal, common clickbank review pages, nothing out of ordinary. There’s nothing to be ashamed of. I don't really get your point.

Originally Posted by devilishsaint

Google is penalizing 3 way links so try to make 2 way or 1 way links.

I understand that 2 way is even worse. Yes I do 1 way link as well, everyday…

Originally Posted by webpromoterservice

have you signed up to google webmaster tools and yahoo site explorer?

That will tell you what is causing the problem

I have both. There’s not answer there…

Originally Posted by Jimerson Farveez

Have you followed the following format in your 3 way?
A--B, B--C, C--A
If yes, I think google identified that and noted that you are doing that for SEO purpose and may banned you.

If you do as follows,
A--B, B--C --- That is fine, I don't think that is an issue,

Which pattern/format you followed? 1st or 2nd?

For my sites I do 2nd… But 3WAY LINK is based on number 1

Originally Posted by nicheminer

I've seen this before with Google. Sites just disappear and the owner panicks, but most of the time, it is just Google deciding where to rank the site.

It might be a few weeks or months, but if the site is good with plenty of unique content, then it will pop back up. Usually higher than it was before it disappeared.

After all, it is not in Google's interest to de-index a useful site.

I agree that you should use Google webmaster tools and get the sites verified. It's a very easy process.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with 3 way linking.

Have you watched the current video on Jeff Johnson's blog?
How To Become A Super Affiliate In 5 Easy Steps | Jeff Johnson Underground Training Lab and Free SEO Blog Software

One of the points he makes, is to use 3 blogs, all on different servers/hosting that point to your money site. (Or affiliate site)

Graham

Remember that 3WAY LINK is not something I’m doing with my own sites or blogs, it is a service where you link to hundreds of sites, those sites links to hundreds more, and those hundreds link back to you in this pattern: A>B B>C C>A

Originally Posted by jtooder

3 way linking services can get you banned, they do work but more and more people are experiencing a serious drop in rankings. There is no common way to tell why it happens but it does.

For people who participate in 3 way linking services it is advised not to have all your eggs in one basket for the specific reason that you might get banned. My suggestion is to keep building up your other sites and hope the dropped one comes back.

GL

I agree with you, and they do work. But the question is: Should I get out of the scheme? I added non-follow and a no-index tags in the linking page but nothing happened.

Originally Posted by Marhelper

You still have Yahoo, BING ...

Yes, but not in first page. they never were.

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

This thread teaches us a number of crucial points…

(1). The reason why so many people fail at Internet Marketing
(2). The value of doing your homework prior to engaging in SEO and Link Building
(3). The critical importance of receiving advice from seasoned IMers

To be clear, I’m not grilling ANYONE; this is simply an opportunity for all of us to learn including me.

@ djbory – when you joined that particular “3 WAY LINKING” network, if you recall, you were told you had to, “Upload a PHP file to your site” and then “Link to the PHP file from your home page.” I realize you were told in some form or fashion or another that there was NO WAY Google could detect what was going on. Virtually ALL of the link building networks that offer similar services make the same assertions.

However, in reality, they are GREATLY underestimating Matt Cutts and the entire Google Web Spam team! Theses guys have PhDs, hefty Google expense accounts and get paid SIX FIGURES to spend sun up and sun down figuring out these purportedly undetectable link schemes. Anytime you place a snippet of code on a website for the purposes of building backlinks, Matt Cutts and his crew is going to eventually sniff out that system no matter how elaborate it is; you can bank on that!

To answer your question as to what happened in your case; based upon your description of the chain of events and the fact that you stated you are not doing anything BlueFart, you are experiencing the Google Dance, that’s all folks!

Thanks very much. And yes, of course I had to upload a code to the page and link it to my front page. But you didn’t mention if it is appropriated at this time to get out of the 3WAY LINK?

On the other hand, I haven’t heard any case before about a google dance where the pages disappeared for 4 months or more, but obviously you have far more experience than I do… Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

OP: If you don't have GWT, you really should.

Yes, I do have GWT. But everything seems to be ok there, I’m just not raking for any keywords anymore.

Originally Posted by LIndaB

Steven, one thing I've always wondered about webmaster tools is whether it is wise to put all your sites into one account. Is it really wise to let Google know every single site you own? I've heard people say they open an account for every site, but that sounds like an awful lot of work. But on the flip side of that, if one site gets penalized for some reason, do you want Google closely scrutinizing all your other sites as well?

Very good question Linda.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

This thread teaches us a number of crucial points…

(1). The reason why so many people fail at Internet Marketing
(2). The value of doing your homework prior to engaging in SEO and Link Building
(3). The critical importance of receiving advice from seasoned IMers

To be clear, I’m not grilling ANYONE; this is simply an opportunity for all of us to learn including me.

@ djbory – when you joined that particular “3 WAY LINKING” network, if you recall, you were told you had to, “Upload a PHP file to your site” and then “Link to the PHP file from your home page.” I realize you were told in some form or fashion or another that there was NO WAY Google could detect what was going on. Virtually ALL of the link building networks that offer similar services make the same assertions.

To answer your question as to what happened in your case; based upon your description of the chain of events and the fact that you stated you are not doing anything BlueFart, you are experiencing the Google Dance, that’s all folks!

Just an update; the website that desapeared from Google rankins 4 months ago for all the keywords, but that I still could find when I did the domain.com search now is completely gone. I can't not find it in Google in any way or form. I guess we're talking about 'banned from Google' As I mentioned before. It's not going to be good if that happens to the rest of my sites...

So my advise is; stay away fro 3WAY LINK guys...

[Crew Chief]

@ djbory

Let’s answer some specific questions so that we may drill down on this issue and determine what’s really happening.

Here are the questions…

(1). How many websites are being impacted? ____
(2). How long have these sites lost their rankings approximately? _____
(3). Are all of these sites with the same web host? ______
(4). Are all of these sites on the same IP? _____
(5). Are all of these sites linked to each other ______
(6). Do you have the snippet of code from three way linking on all of these sites? _____
(7). Has three way linking kicked you out of their network? _____
(8). Have you knowingly used any BlueFart tactics? ______
(9). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Google? _____
(10). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Bing? _____
(11). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Yahoo? _____
(12). When you go in GWT are all of your sites showing verified? ______
(13). When in GWT and you click on a site and go to the dashboard: answer these questions…


(a). What is your “Top search queries” showing? Any keywords? ____
(b). What are your Crawl errors showing? Any errors? _____
(c). What are your Sitemaps showing? Do you have a “Green” check in the “Status column?
(d). What are the “Links to your site” Showing? How many links? _______

Answer those questions in “brief” and we’ll get to the bottom line. And by the way, I misread your first posting. Based on the timeframe of your keywords mysteriously disappearing and remaining time on AWOL, that’s not the Google Dance.

Now I’ve got to get back to w-o-r-k! hahaha

"Prosperity belongs to those who learn new things the fastest."
— Paul Zane Pilzer: Economist, entrepreneur, and author

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

@ djbory

Let’s answer some specific questions so that we may drill down on this issue and determine what’s really happening.

Here are the questions…

(1). How many websites are being impacted? ____
(2). How long have these sites lost their rankings approximately? _____
(3). Are all of these sites with the same web host? ______
(4). Are all of these sites on the same IP? _____
(5). Are all of these sites linked to each other ______
(6). Do you have the snippet of code from three way linking on all of these sites? _____
(7). Has three way linking kicked you out of their network? _____
(8). Have you knowingly used any BlueFart tactics? ______
(9). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Google? _____
(10). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Bing? _____
(11). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Yahoo? _____
(12). When you go in GWT are all of your sites showing verified? ______
(13). When in GWT and you click on a site and go to the dashboard: answer these questions…


(a). What is your “Top search queries” showing? Any keywords? ____
(b). What are your Crawl errors showing? Any errors? _____
(c). What are your Sitemaps showing? Do you have a “Green” check in the “Status column?
(d). What are the “Links to your site” Showing? How many links? _______

Answer those questions in “brief” and we’ll get to the bottom line. And by the way, I misread your first posting. Based on the timeframe of your keywords mysteriously disappearing and remaining time on AWOL, that’s not the Google Dance.

Now I’ve got to get back to w-o-r-k! hahaha

"Prosperity belongs to those who learn new things the fastest."

— Paul Zane Pilzer: Economist, entrepreneur, and author

Thank you 'Crew' so much for taking your time to help out... I really appreciate this.

Ok, I answered all your questions

(1). How many websites are being impacted? 3

(2). How long have these sites lost their rankings approximately? The first one 4 months ago (this one is gone completely, even when I search domain.com), the second one about 2 moths ago, and the third one about a week ago.

(3). Are all of these sites with the same web host? yes

(4). Are all of these sites on the same IP? yes

(5). Are all of these sites linked to each other? yes

(6). Do you have the snippet of code from three way linking on all of these sites? yes

(7). Has three way linking kicked you out of their network? no

(8). Have you knowingly used any BlueFart tactics? no, not at all.

(9). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Google? The first one is not. The second and third still show when I search domain.com

(10). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Bing? yes, they are

(11). When you check are all of these sites still indexed in Yahoo? no. (the site that desapeared 2 months ago is ranking #169 in google and #95 in Yahoo for one of the keywords) That's all.

(12). When you go in GWT are all of your sites showing verified? yes

(13). When in GWT and you click on a site and go to the dashboard: answer these questions…


(a). What is your “Top search queries” showing? Any keywords? now they only show 2 or 3 weird keywords that I'm not even optimizing and when I do the search manually, I'm not even ranking for those either.

(b). What are your Crawl errors showing? Any errors? no errors. This mesagge shows: 'Googlebot has successfully accessed your home page. Pages from your site are included in Google's index'.

(c). What are your Sitemaps showing? Do you have a “Green” check in the “Status column? yes

(d). What are the “Links to your site” Showing? How many links? Hundreds

[Crew Chief]

Duplicate Content???

@ jpieter77 and @ Orator

If you are thinking he may be having an issue due to dupilcate content, please read Google's clear and concise definition of duplicate content. Actually, I would suggest that EVERYONE who is a IMer or an aspiring IMer, to read this: Duplicate content - Webmasters/Site owners Help

Once you understand Google's position on this subject, it will become a non-issue for you. Always remember - never guess at IM. Be clear on what the rules are and you'll be just fine!

Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
-- Calvin Coolidge

[djbory]

Originally Posted by jpieter77

Are you using something automated for the content? Or do you write it all yourself?

I write most myself. The sites are HTML so the content are articles that I usually write myself. However, I don't think you could get penalized for content. Everybody knows that. Thanks for trying to help though.

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by jpieter77

Are you using something automated for the content? Or do you write it all yourself?

Originally Posted by djbory

(c). What are your Sitemaps showing? Do you have a “Green” check in the “Status column? yes

(d). What are the “Links to your site” Showing? How many links? Hundreds

Whew, we're almost there!!!

Just to clarify, do "ALL" three sites have a “Green” check in the “Status column?

And do "All" three sites show hundreds of links?

Answer back please...

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Whew, we're almost there!!!

Just to clarify, do "ALL" three sites have a “Green” check in the “Status column?

And do "All" three sites show hundreds of links?

Answer back please...

Yes to both questions for the last two sites...
The website that desapeared 4 months ago is not in Webmaster. I didn't have webmaster by that time, so for that site I wouldn't know.

Let me know if you want to take a look at my sites.

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by djbory

Yes to both questions.

You have not been banned...

You have not been de-indexed...

You have not experienced the Google dance...

You are experiencing the Google Sandbox due to your linkbuilding program.

At this point as captivereef has already pointed out, you have to wait the sandbox out. The great news is, once the Google gods decide its time, you are going to come back stronger than ever!

The most important lesson to learn from this event is understand what puts you on Google's radar.

You probably had one site that set things off, but because those sites were on the same Class C IP address, Google erred on the side of caution and pulled all three in the sandbox.

I advise all IMers to either get a reseller web hosting account so that each website can have a separate IP address. Or, order a separate IP for each domain. Secondly, think your linkbuilding campaign through. If you are just starting out with a backlink building campaign with a site that has little to no links and hasn't been online for any length of time and you sign up for a linkbuilding service - plus, put articles out there for backlinks, plus build your own backlinks, you are most likely going to come under the Google radar.

The key in this situation would have been to star slowly, (i.e., naturally) building links and once you're site is established, you can open up the backlink building floodgates!

Hope that helps.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

You have not been banned...

You have not been de-indexed...

You have not experienced the Google dance...

You are experiencing the Google Sandbox due to your linkbuilding program.

At this point as captivereef has already pointed out, you have to wait the sandbox out. The great news is, once the Google gods decide its time, you are going to come back stronger than ever!

The most important lesson to learn from this event is understand what puts you on Google's radar.

You probably had one site that set things off, but because those sites were on the same Class C IP address, Google erred on the side of caution and pulled all three in the sandbox.

I advise all IMers to either get a reseller web hosting account so that each website can have a separate IP address. Or, order a separate IP for each domain. Secondly, think your linkbuilding campaign through. If you are just starting out with a backlink building campaign with a site that has little to no links and hasn't been online for any length of time and you sign up for a linkbuilding service - plus, put articles out there for backlinks, plus build your own backlinks, you are most likely going to come under the Google radar.

The key in this situation would have been to star slowly, (i.e., naturally) building links and once you're site is established, you can open up the backlink building floodgates!

Hope that helps.

Thank you very much! One last question; do you think I should keep building backlinks? and what about the snipped code in my sites?