Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quotes)?

chrisnegro · 09-02-2009, 06:47 PM

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I'm potential interested in getting a keyword rich domain such as "freecoffeemakers.com" (again...this is not actual just an example for illustration purposes) that has 142 million competitors and 8 million if the term is in quotes.

So is it worth it to buy this domain with the idea that keyword rich domains are easily SEO'd or am I fighting a losing battle to fight over 142 million competitors? Why or Why Not?

Maybe I'm putting to much stock on the ease to move up the search engines for a keyword rich domain name that is highly competitive.

Thoughts?

Chris Negro

HomeComputerGames · 09-02-2009, 07:56 PM

It does help but there is no getting around the hard work involved to rank well.

Zach Booker · 09-02-2009, 08:40 PM

Depends on the keyword, Chris.

Some biggies are easy to rank for. I'm currently ranked number one for a keyword with 11 million in quotes and all I did was spend a few hundred on articles and a few hundred on backlinks.

It was simply a case of no "big affiliates" or "big sites" ranking high for that keyword. EX: Wikipedia etc

My honest advice is to go pick up Market Samurai or Keyword Elite 2.0. (I like KWE 2.0 better.)

And run the search engine dominator part of it to see what the competition is like. (It'll give you a number between 1-100 and show you the top sites and what they have that makes them rank so high. Ex: Backlinks, keyword density.)

After seeing what number your given and seeing how many backlinks the sites in the top 10 have etc you'll be better able to make a decision on whether to pursue the keyword or not.

IMO Google is starting to judge websites, unless your an authority site, more and more on the domain name. So this might be a chance, if your willing to work for it, to do really well.

Good luck!

Zach

WadeWinger · 09-02-2009, 09:17 PM

This does not matter --> "142 million competitors and 8 million if the term is in quotes."

What matters is how many searches the keyword is getting. If you spend your time on some keyword that gets no searches, you are wasting your time.

If it does get a lot of searches, this still does not matter --> "142 million competitors and 8 million if the term is in quotes."

What matters is how hard the competition is. You can easily find keywords with millions of competitors and rank on the first page of Google in a week.

I hate it when people say stuff like: "I rank #5 out of 20 million competitors" Big deal it means nothing, anyone can do that.

You are a real SEO pro if you can rank #5 for a keywords that has 20 million searches per month not 20 million competitors.

Steven Carl Kelly · 09-02-2009, 10:25 PM

Competitor count, as measured solely by volume, has very little relevance when it comes to ranking. How many searches does an EXACT match for your keywords get per month?

Want to spend your time getting a real handle on your competition? Here's a hint, there aren't 142 million of them. Enter your search in Google WITHOUT quotes. Press enter. See those first 10 results on the page? In a nutshell, THAT'S your competition.

Analyze each and every one of those 10 pages. Can you beat them with your own SEO efforts? If believe you can -- and if the search volume warrants it -- then go for it.

When it comes to # of search results, 142 thousand or a 142 million doesn't mean much at all when it comes to determining whether or not a keyword phrase is PROFITABLE and if you can RANK for it.

MemberWing · 09-02-2009, 10:35 PM

Search Google keyword tools how much advertisers are paying for these keywords.
This will show you any potential commercial value of domain.

"free air" or "free ferrari" has lots of pages listed but does it make sense to struggle for these visitors?

Gleb

InternetMarketingIQ · 09-02-2009, 10:38 PM

Depends on what you can do. If the domain name is a good one I don't care if there is a billion competitors. That is a huge advantage. And them more competitive the niche the more opportunity for you as long as you can rank.

When I come across a great name I grab it. There is always a market for prime virtual real estate.

chrisnegro · 09-02-2009, 10:57 PM

Interesting observation guys....many thanks for the tips. Feel free to chime in with anymore insights or observations.

Chris Negro

Kezz · 09-03-2009, 02:12 AM

The quality of competition is definitely a big factor, combined with how much time is feasible for you to put into climbing up the ranking. For example, my partner and I started a site in a niche with crazy high competition, but we were confident we could provide better content.

It took some time, about 6 months, but with steady chipping away at the rankings with quality, optimized content, we climbed up to a top 3 spot for our target phrase. We even climbed about a site funded by a major TV station, with a sizeable staff of writers.

Now the site gets great targeted traffic and does some really solid revenue. But, it took some time to get it there, and a fair bit of time on quality content.

So I think the three questions are, can you do it, do you have time to do it, and will it pay off enough to be worth it.

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chrisnegro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 1,104 Thanks: 151 Thanked 89 Times in 29 Posts Social Networking	Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quotes)? SEO Warriors I'm potential interested in getting a keyword rich domain such as "freecoffeemakers.com" (again...this is not actual just an example for illustration purposes) that has 142 million competitors and 8 million if the term is in quotes. So is it worth it to buy this domain with the idea that keyword rich domains are easily SEO'd *or am I fighting a losing battle to fight over 142 million competitors? Why or Why Not?* Maybe I'm putting to much stock on the ease to move up the search engines for a keyword rich domain name that is highly competitive. Thoughts? Chris Negro
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HomeComputerGames HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesterton, IN Posts: 289 Thanks: 6 Thanked 39 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote It does help but there is no getting around the hard work involved to rank well.
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Zach Booker Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 510 Thanks: 20 Thanked 59 Times in 39 Posts Contact Info	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote Depends on the keyword, Chris. Some biggies are easy to rank for. I'm currently ranked number one for a keyword with 11 million in quotes and all I did was spend a few hundred on articles and a few hundred on backlinks. It was simply a case of no "big affiliates" or "big sites" ranking high for that keyword. EX: Wikipedia etc My honest advice is to go pick up Market Samurai or Keyword Elite 2.0. (I like KWE 2.0 better.) And run the search engine dominator part of it to see what the competition is like. (It'll give you a number between 1-100 and show you the top sites and what they have that makes them rank so high. Ex: Backlinks, keyword density.) After seeing what number your given and seeing how many backlinks the sites in the top 10 have etc you'll be better able to make a decision on whether to pursue the keyword or not. IMO Google is starting to judge websites, unless your an authority site, more and more on the domain name. So this might be a chance, if your willing to work for it, to do really well. Good luck! Zach

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WadeWinger HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Juneau, Alaska Posts: 190 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote This does not matter --> "142 million competitors and 8 million if the term is in quotes." What matters is how many searches the keyword is getting. If you spend your time on some keyword that gets no searches, you are wasting your time. If it does get a lot of searches, this still does not matter --> "142 million competitors and 8 million if the term is in quotes." What matters is how hard the competition is. You can easily find keywords with millions of competitors and rank on the first page of Google in a week. I hate it when people say stuff like: "I rank #5 out of 20 million competitors" Big deal it means nothing, anyone can do that. You are a real SEO pro if you can rank #5 for a keywords that has 20 million searches per month not 20 million competitors.
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Steven Carl Kelly Trust Christ Alone War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,114 Thanks: 22 Thanked 350 Times in 199 Posts	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote Competitor count, as measured solely by volume, has very little relevance when it comes to ranking. How many searches does an EXACT match for your keywords get per month? Want to spend your time getting a real handle on your competition? Here's a hint, there aren't 142 million of them. Enter your search in Google WITHOUT quotes. Press enter. See those first 10 results on the page? In a nutshell, THAT'S your competition. Analyze each and every one of those 10 pages. Can you beat them with your own SEO efforts? If believe you can -- and if the search volume warrants it -- then go for it. When it comes to # of search results, 142 thousand or a 142 million doesn't mean much at all when it comes to determining whether or not a keyword phrase is PROFITABLE and if you can RANK for it.
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MemberWing Gleb War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 520 Thanks: 7 Thanked 48 Times in 39 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote Search Google keyword tools how much advertisers are paying for these keywords. This will show you any potential commercial value of domain. "free air" or "free ferrari" has lots of pages listed but does it make sense to struggle for these visitors? Gleb
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InternetMarketingIQ Advanced Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 831 Thanks: 16 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote Depends on what you can do. If the domain name is a good one I don't care if there is a billion competitors. That is a huge advantage. And them more competitive the niche the more opportunity for you as long as you can rank. When I come across a great name I grab it. There is always a market for prime virtual real estate.
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chrisnegro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 1,104 Thanks: 151 Thanked 89 Times in 29 Posts Social Networking	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote Interesting observation guys....many thanks for the tips. Feel free to chime in with anymore insights or observations. Chris Negro
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Kezz Wordpress Wiz War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 530 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 65 Thanked 142 Times in 74 Posts Social Networking	Re: Is it worth getting a keyword rich domain that has over 142 MILLION competitors (8 mill in quote The quality of competition is definitely a big factor, combined with how much time is feasible for you to put into climbing up the ranking. For example, my partner and I started a site in a niche with crazy high competition, but we were confident we could provide better content. It took some time, about 6 months, but with steady chipping away at the rankings with quality, optimized content, we climbed up to a top 3 spot for our target phrase. We even climbed about a site funded by a major TV station, with a sizeable staff of writers. Now the site gets great targeted traffic and does some really solid revenue. But, it took some time to get it there, and a fair bit of time on quality content. So I think the three questions are, can you do it, do you have time to do it, and will it pay off enough to be worth it.
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