Question about XFactor's Adsense Course

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by Philly

I guess know one really knows the answer to this question

Here is the answer, there is no answer except give time and work any site can be beaten. How long you want to work at it depends on you. But normally you will be looking for a keyword with very few sites showing the keywords in the title. I simply search my keyword and look to see how many come back with the exact phrase I'm trying to rank for. Then I open the sites and take a look at the competition, most of the time with products, it's just that, a product page. I wouldn't worry about pr that much. In fact I don't even consider pr when selecting my key phrase.

[carlos123]

Here's what I have learned so far that hopefully might be of value to this discussion.

PR rankings, competitive number of sites that show up, local search volume, estimated CPC, and other considerations are just guidelines. They are not hard and fast to where we can determine the profitability of a keyword phrase beforehand by looking at such criteria. At least not entirely.

I use all these criteria as general barometers to help me pick potentially great keywords recognizing that I may still be off in some of my picks or that I might miss some great keywords that did not fall into my parameters for each of these criteria.

I use parameters in these criteria to narrow the range of potential keyword phrases down to a more manageable number. For example I won't even consider phrases that have less than $2 estimated CPC unless they have higher traffic which would offset the lower CPC in a higher ranking position.

For me it's just a numbers game. I look at keyword phrases, plug them into my "formula", and see if they pass muster based on the criteria parameters I use. If they do I continue with a given keyword phrase and start looking at the sight in as much detail as I can and then start building a site around the keyword phrase if no red flags pop up to warn me away.

There is no magic formula that will ensure that we pick winning keyword phrases or that we will be able to beat a particular site and take it's ranking position.

At best we are making an educated guess based on criteria that are considered generally important. After that, only creating a site and actually going for it will tell whether our guess has been any good or not.

Take what I am saying with a great big grain of salt since I am a relative newbie when it comes to Adsense sites and have not yet actually built an Adsense site (I am waiting till I reach 15 potentially great keyword phrases before I start building my first site).

Just my two cents for what it is worth.

Carlos

[JMartin]

Originally Posted by Philly

Thanks for the reply...but I do feel that the page rank has a lot to do with the site you are trying to beat...and from Johns book he even said in the example that this would be the toughest he would go after..and the top site for that keyword was a Pr 4 ..So what does he mean when wrote that ??...is a Pr 4 site the limit that he has experienced for keywords with the green light ?..That's all I want to know.

I look for PR 3 and under, because it does factor in to a point. It's also about longevity.

Let me give you an example. Page one for a KWP has a PR 6 page in the #7 spot getting trumped by PR0s and stuff.

Why? Most likely it's due to the PR being simply passed down from the home page (it actually is). The page has 0 incoming links and isn't optimized too well.

However, all that has to happen for my page above it to be beat (potentially) is for that site to "wake up" and start getting that page going and it rises up.

When I'm choosing a KWP, I don't mind seeing PR4+ on page one, but I don't want to see 7 of them. I'm looking for a nice % of "weakness" so I have greater potential to land there.

BTW, another thing I do is evaluate the "click-e-ness" of the first few listings. Maybe I know that a #4 - #5 is my best case scenario, but if the first 3 listings aren't click magnets, I should end up with a high probability of getting clicks. Therefore, it's a good KWP to me. It's a guess of course, but I try to think about how the results actually satisfy the query (title and description---juicy or not?).

[steveaaa]

I think the links to the page you are competing with are a lot more important than the links to the overall site. So a site can have 10,000 incoming links and only 2 links to the competing page (think "Amazon"). You can still beat it, since your links to your target page are a lot more.

So you are focusing on that certain page (hopefully your keyword-laden home page), and slamming it with all you got, and the competing site is not (say they have a million indexed pages). You can beat them at the game.

If I were wrong, then Amazon would have top listings in ALL categories, and they don't. They have the PR and the incoming links -- but only 1 or 2 links to each product page

[JMartin]

Originally Posted by Philly

Thanks for the reply..now that you bring up about a Pr3 I remember what another program showed me ,I bought this program about a year ago...I don't think I can say the name..but it taught me how to build e-commerce sites and I was told to never go for a keyword that does not have a least 2 sites in the top 10 that are a Pr 3 or below..maybe that is what I will stick with.

In the end, for me, it comes down to how many spots I can realistically take down with the level of work and time I wish to devote. If the KWP only has 1 spot, well forget it.

If you look at enough listings you'll see that Google ranks by lotto selection.

You'll see one set of listings where PR seems to line up, another where domain age works, another where on-page seo works, another where incoming links work, another where TLD links work, another that makes no sense at all and so on.

For the easiest time, count how many listings are basically screwing up on all levels. The more the better. And when you put up your site, nail everything you can (on-page, links, etc).

[valiantbearded]

I used the Super Adsense themes with great success for almost all of my Adsense websites I are ever done. I think they are easy to use and you can make a nice header for it if you wish.