Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage

twitterguru · 09-09-2009, 05:10 AM

Guys listen up, I'm sick and tired of people being exploited by absolute garbage.........

When content is first indexed it can often appear at #1 for the first 24-48 hours. This is just the way Google works. After that time period Googles ranking algo will kick in and your page will start to find its true position - usually way down.

I'm so fed up of people selling THEIR SUPER SECRET HULKSMASH GOOGLE METHOD for this when the reality is it's just how Google works. Drives me nuts.

BIG Mike · 09-09-2009, 05:18 AM

Damn straight brother!

I just went round and round with a customer about this topic - he refuses to believe that his articles could be listed within 10 hours, rank on the first page or two for a few days and then fall back to page 72.

Listen up folks - getting listed in Google in a matter of minutes or hours is no big deal...but it doesn't matter. Every single page listed is going to bubble through Google's system until it finds it's "True" place in SERPS for that moment.

The thing to realize is that it's not permanent!

What it does is give you a measure of what else you need to be doing to pull it up to the first page - through both on and off page SEO.

There is no page in SERPS that is ever "Locked" into a particular position - a page that stays in the top spot stays there because of ongoing SEO...

Jag82 · 09-09-2009, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

There is no page in SERPS that is ever "Locked" into a particular position - a page that stays in the top spot stays there because of ongoing SEO...

How very true. The keywords here are - "Ongoing SEO".

Continual effort is definitely needed.

zuluranger · 09-09-2009, 05:25 AM

You are right, Big Mike. twitterguru don't believe that kind of stuff which promises quick ranking in Google. One thing they can't promise you is long term ranking.

With Web 2.0 you can easily score quick ranking in Google within hours. But it fizzles after a few days.

What you need is a consistent link building campaign. One thing I learn from SEO is that you can't stop building links if you want to continue to make money from the target keywords.

Your competitors will someday catch up with your ranking the moment you stop building links to your money page.

Intrepreneur · 09-09-2009, 05:27 AM

It's a lot more complicated than that.

BigMike has the opinion that it will go way back to page 72 again, my opinion is it's a lot more complicated than that.

Sometimes I just find those golden keywords that are in the "a lot more complicated than that" idea of Google ranking and I can make my rankings stick for months and months until someone else comes and finds out about "the a lot more complicated than that" way of ranking and the exact keyword, and I mostly have to say goodbye to my site as they take advantage of "the a lot more complicated than that" way to rank :-(

All in all it's a lot more complicated than what ANY product I have read or seen has said!

Mark

Rich Lowe · 09-09-2009, 05:36 AM

Sustainability is what it is all about.

Rich

Steven Heron · 09-09-2009, 05:58 AM

What I also hate are "experts" advertising rankings under terms that receive no Google search volume data (aka, 0 searches a month).

"Learn How I Achieved First Place Ranking On Google Using My Secret Method" - then you look at the example and the term is something like "lemon juice cleanser". You could probably rank #5 under "forex" and it wouldn't be as good as the "#1 ranking that XYZ guru got" in the average consumers eyes.

No wonder there's so much charlatanism in this industry.

dburk · 09-09-2009, 06:54 AM

Hi twitterguru,

You are describing the classic user/abuser personality.

Modus operandi: Find someone doing something well and position yourself to take full credit for their abilities.

Steven Carl Kelly · 09-09-2009, 09:10 AM

I teach my students and advise my clients that SEO is a process, not a project. You don't get a page ranked well and then quit, you have to continually nurture your pages in order to keep them ranked well.

twitterguru · 09-09-2009, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi twitterguru,

You are describing the classic user/abuser personality.

Modus operandi: Find someone doing something well and position yourself to take full credit for their abilities.

Sorry, I'm having a hard time following you here. Could you explain?

twitterguru · 09-09-2009, 09:40 AM

Exactly Mike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Damn straight brother!

I just went round and round with a customer about this topic - he refuses to believe that his articles could be listed within 10 hours, rank on the first page or two for a few days and then fall back to page 72.

Listen up folks - getting listed in Google in a matter of minutes or hours is no big deal...but it doesn't matter. Every single page listed is going to bubble through Google's system until it finds it's "True" place in SERPS for that moment.

The thing to realize is that it's not permanent!

What it does is give you a measure of what else you need to be doing to pull it up to the first page - through both on and off page SEO.

There is no page in SERPS that is ever "Locked" into a particular position - a page that stays in the top spot stays there because of ongoing SEO...

dburk · 09-09-2009, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twitterguru

Sorry, I'm having a hard time following you here. Could you explain?

Sure, Google is responsible for developing the technology that finds, indexes and ranks fresh content high in the SERP (QDF - Query Deserves Freshness). The phony "guru" steps in and takes credit for Google's amazing technical prowess as if it was his own doing.

twitterguru · 09-09-2009, 02:55 PM

Heh, yes you're absolutely right. It really is a shame.

grainosalt · 09-11-2009, 01:00 PM

I agree you have to watch out for these too good to be true gimicks

09-09-2009, 05:18 AM	#2
BIG Mike Drunken Greek War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,630 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,847 Thanked 3,671 Times in 1,070 Posts	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage Damn straight brother! I just went round and round with a customer about this topic - he refuses to believe that his articles could be listed within 10 hours, rank on the first page or two for a few days and then fall back to page 72. Listen up folks - getting listed in Google in a matter of minutes or hours is no big deal...but it doesn't matter. Every single page listed is going to bubble through Google's system until it finds it's "True" place in SERPS for that moment. The thing to realize is that it's not permanent! What it does is give you a measure of what else you need to be doing to pull it up to the first page - through both on and off page SEO. There is no page in SERPS that is ever "Locked" into a particular position - a page that stays in the top spot stays there because of ongoing SEO...

09-09-2009, 05:25 AM	#4
zuluranger Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 76 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Contact Info	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage You are right, Big Mike. twitterguru don't believe that kind of stuff which promises quick ranking in Google. One thing they can't promise you is long term ranking. With Web 2.0 you can easily score quick ranking in Google within hours. But it fizzles after a few days. What you need is a consistent link building campaign. One thing I learn from SEO is that you can't stop building links if you want to continue to make money from the target keywords. Your competitors will someday catch up with your ranking the moment you stop building links to your money page.

09-09-2009, 05:27 AM	#5
Intrepreneur I.C.Hope War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 2,515 Thanks: 446 Thanked 227 Times in 181 Posts Contact Info	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage It's a lot more complicated than that. BigMike has the opinion that it will go way back to page 72 again, my opinion is it's a lot more complicated than that. Sometimes I just find those golden keywords that are in the "a lot more complicated than that" idea of Google ranking and I can make my rankings stick for months and months until someone else comes and finds out about "the a lot more complicated than that" way of ranking and the exact keyword, and I mostly have to say goodbye to my site as they take advantage of "the a lot more complicated than that" way to rank :-( All in all it's a lot more complicated than what ANY product I have read or seen has said! Mark
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09-09-2009, 05:36 AM	#6
Rich Lowe Rich War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 171 Thanks: 2 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage Sustainability is what it is all about. Rich

09-09-2009, 05:58 AM	#7
Steven Heron SEO Nutter War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 208 Thanks: 3 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage What I also hate are "experts" advertising rankings under terms that receive no Google search volume data (aka, 0 searches a month). "Learn How I Achieved First Place Ranking On Google Using My Secret Method" - then you look at the example and the term is something like "lemon juice cleanser". You could probably rank #5 under "forex" and it wouldn't be as good as the "#1 ranking that XYZ guru got" in the average consumers eyes. No wonder there's so much charlatanism in this industry.
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09-09-2009, 05:10 AM	#1
twitterguru Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage Guys listen up, I'm sick and tired of people being exploited by absolute garbage......... When content is first indexed it can often appear at #1 for the first 24-48 hours. This is just the way Google works. After that time period Googles ranking algo will kick in and your page will start to find its true position - usually way down. I'm so fed up of people selling THEIR SUPER SECRET HULKSMASH GOOGLE METHOD for this when the reality is it's just how Google works. Drives me nuts.

09-09-2009, 06:54 AM	#8
dburk Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 4,473 Thanks: 135 Thanked 640 Times in 552 Posts Contact Info	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage Hi twitterguru, You are describing the classic user/abuser personality. Modus operandi: Find someone doing something well and position yourself to take full credit for their abilities.
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09-09-2009, 09:10 AM	#9
Steven Carl Kelly Trust Christ Alone War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,014 Thanks: 63 Thanked 806 Times in 391 Posts	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage I teach my students and advise my clients that SEO is a process, not a project. You don't get a page ranked well and then quit, you have to continually nurture your pages in order to keep them ranked well.
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09-09-2009, 02:55 PM	#13
twitterguru Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage Heh, yes you're absolutely right. It really is a shame.

09-11-2009, 01:00 PM	#14
grainosalt Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 11 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Grrrrrooooogle top rank in 30 seconds garbage I agree you have to watch out for these too good to be true gimicks