Backlinking Experts...Time To Fess Up

[Steven Wagenheim]

Okay, we're going to play a game of show and tell.

Ultimately, here's the question I'm asking the backlinking experts.

"How do you get massive backlinks to your site(s) quickly without getting
your pages sandboxed to hell?"

I come from the old school. As a matter of fact, I'm going to share my
personal backlinking process right here. It is a very SLOW process.

Let's say I have a site X dot com

I want to get backlinks to my site.

Great...these are the things I do...not in any special order.

1. I write articles with links in the resource box pointing back to my site.
I write maybe 2 a day and submit them to EZA and/or put them on one
of my blogs (blogspot or WordPress) If WordPress, then it's my own
hosted WordPress and on a different domain.

2. Create videos, maybe 1 a week, and submit them to YouTube. I don't
bother with other video sites because I just don't want to spend the time and
YouTube is the top ranked site anyway.

3. I go to other blogs in the same niche and post relevant comments on
them, almost article in length. I do maybe 2 of these a week. I include a
link back to my site at the end.

4. I open up Web 2,0 sites such as Squidoo and make 1 or 2 posts a week
on these with a link back to my site.

5. If I have an affiliate program, I will contact other non competing sites
in the niche and present them with my offer. If this is done professionally
and correctly (what's in it for them) many are receptive and put up a link
to my site using their affiliate link.

6. Each time I create new content, I will go to Digg and bookmark it. I
don't bother with the other bookmarking sites because I don't want to
spend the time.

There you have it. That's my very modest backlinking efforts that I do.
All in all, this takes maybe 6 hours out of my whole week to do all this.

Sure, I know I can increase many of the above efforts by simply
outsourcing a lot of stuff.

1. Get tons of articles written.

2. Get a service to distribute my content all over the Internet.

3. Hire people to post comments on blogs.

4. Hire people to create Squidoo pages for me and make posts.

5. Hire somebody to contact all these non competing sites.

6. Hire somebody to go to all the social bookmarking sites and bookmark
my content.

Sure, I could do all that. But that's money I'm not going to shell out just
to get a few more backlinks.

So here you go experts.

What can I do, on my own, that won't take me oodles of time, but will get
me a massive amount of backlinks quickly and won't get me sandboxed to
hell?

I think many of us here would like to know...if in fact this is even possible.

[LilBlackDress]

Steve,

Onlywire is a very quick automated social bookmarking service and has some really good sites on it including Digg, Stumble, Twitter, Blinklist, Jumptags, Mixx, Technorati. Very easy to set up and use. It is also free if you post a teeny tiny link to them in one of your sites. Or it is inexpensive if you prefer not to post a link.

I have it in my tool bar for fast use.

I think Digg is no follow now...not sure if that makes a difference to you or not.

[Alexgrett]

There are ways to get a massive number of backlinks very quickly, but that's not organic and the Search Engines will penalize you. I think the methods you are using so far are good, and if you have money, you can save time and outsource.

A huge number of backlinks too fast will definitely hurt your rankings. Excluding social bookmarking. That is good.

Just my 2 cents...hope it helps.

[ptone]

Fellow-Warrior BigMike has an assortment of tools that can automate your link-building efforts. These include ArticleBot, SocialBot, RSSBot, DirectoryBot, and PressBot.

I use a couple of these and plan to get a couple more and they are great time savers.

[ptone]

Originally Posted by Alexgrett

A huge number of backlinks too fast will definitely hurt your rankings.

"Huge" is a relative term. So is "too fast." In your personal experience, Alexgrett, how many backlinks and over what period of time have you found that it begins to hurt your rankings?

[allsuccess]

I would certainly like to know the answers from Backlink experts!! Recently I have spent few days writing articles then submitting to EZA, commenting on other ppl's blog,making squidoo lens and what not???

This is definitely not gonna work for a long term, we need some serious answers that don't get us sandboxed as very rightly said by Mr.Wagenheim !!

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Alexgrett

A huge number of backlinks too fast will definitely hurt your rankings.

Are you sure?

[bertuseng]

Looks like you don't really need help for backlinks, because you are already doing everything you should. I could however tell you what extra I am doing.

I am using Free Traffic System to get extra backlinks. You post an article on it and it submits it to many different wordpress blogs in the niche that you choose. The free account lets you post your article to 30 different blogs, with 2 links in your article. Paid members get more.

This is pretty helpful, because it gets you real backlinks from sites that are in your niche. I do this for every article I write, and so far it is helping a lot. Check it out.

I also have other ways to get free traffic among the free training courses that I am giving away in my sig. Hope that helps.

[blase40]

I actually have to respectfully disagree with the fact that a massive number of backlinks will get you penalized. I am guessing that the worst it could do is "nothing", which would simply equate to a waste of time.

The reason for this is simple. Its another case of people easily being able to exploit this and sabotage legitimate competition if this was the case.

If this held true, I could use some blog commenting software, forum posting software and other automated link blasters and bury my biggest competitors by securing thousands of backlinks pointing back to their sites.

Originally Posted by Alexgrett

There are ways to get a massive number of backlinks very quickly, but that's not organic and the Search Engines will penalize you. I think the methods you are using so far are good, and if you have money, you can save time and outsource.

A huge number of backlinks too fast will definitely hurt your rankings. Excluding social bookmarking. That is good.

Just my 2 cents...hope it helps.

[Andyhenry]

Hi Steven,

Here's how I do it:


Number 1 - I always use a platform which has RSS functionality. This is why Wordpress is popular for a lot of people.

Number 2 - I always have a social marketing system bolted on.

Number 3 - Repurposing work (i.e if I write an article, I'll use part as a blog post and for a press release, then maybe even convert to audio and then put with slides and turn into video)

Number 4 - Create a system that makes doing many of these easy and quick.


So, for example if I wanted to launch a new site and focus on SERPS......

(I already have multiple accounts and virtually all of the social sites, bookmarking services, video sharing sites, audio sharing sites, etc. - That takes a bit of time but it's WELL worth doing)

Set up the site with Wordpress.

Get the URLs for the feed (to use later)

Setup plugins for seo, rss inputs (that's a widget now), and autobookmarking (like onlywire)

Go to Postlater and schedule a whole bunch of posts and tweets - Postlater feeds into all of the other social systems. The main one, which if I didn't use Postlater would be my main focus is - Ping.fm (this shares to lots of social platforms on its own but can also be one of the places that Postlater feeds into).

So - that's all of the social stuff plugged in and happening regularly for as long as I want - usually 6 months.

Then write some articles and distribute them via isnare (i have a paid account which gets good distribution).

Plug some press releases into a press release distribution tool and set for 1 a week for 12 weeks.

I may have also setup the blog to pull in rss feeds to supplement the content so that when the systemized stuff eventually stops - the content keeps going.

Sometimes I'll use Firepow or similar to just have articles, feeds etc. pulled in on a schedule for satellite sites that I use for link juice and traffic funneling to the main site.

Usually that's enough to get a PR 6 within a couple of months and number 1 in Google for most niches without any more attention.

If it's a really competitive niche, then I'll take a quick look (just using search engine searches with relevant operators to find the type of sites I'm after) and find a bunch of other sites/communities/forums/blogs etc.. which are high PR, dofollow and on separate servers and get myself some links or create a list and outsource to have someone get them.

Sometimes I also have someone do directory submissions to a list of a few hundred directories also.


If I do anything more - it's because feel like it, not because it's necessary.

The rss and bookmarking alone ensures all pages get indexed, and the constant deep-linking to all pages ensures a consistent good ranking once the site starts doing well.

I have a few other little tweeks I do when I can be bothered, but that's the base plan that I follow.

Andy

p.s as with Justin - I don't agree that aggressive linking gets you penalised - it's normal for all businesses to do marketing when they launch a site and get thousands of links quickly.
The problem is if they keep coming from the same places and those are on the same servers.

[Marhelper]

Why are you even worried about backlinking. You said in another post that you do not care about PR or ranking on the SERPS. I was under the impression that you are not looking to rank on Google?

[ptone]

Great stuff, Andy. I'll be printing your post and adding to my 3-ring binder!

[robgaz2009]

I've been using traffic bug with good effect. Only wire is excellent. And socialmarker is just a pain in the (you know where)!

[GuerrillaIM]

Use AMA, UAW, SYA and Linkvana as they drip feed the links. Not cheap but easiest way.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Andy, you're a gem...thanks.

Yeah, quite a bit of work and some of it (at least for me) technical. And we
all know what a technical incompetent I am.

While I understand all the theory of what you just explained, it is not
something I would attempt to do on my own. But yeah, I can see how this
would do the trick.

Thanks for your help. I really do appreciate it.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Stupid question. What is considered a decent number of backlinks to a site?

I've yet to see anybody definitively state a number. I have several sites
that have about 10,000 + backlinks.

Quite honestly, I have no idea if that's good, bad or indifferent.

Anybody want to shed some light on this?

[ptone]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Stupid question. What is considered a decent number of backlinks to a site?

I've yet to see anybody definitively state a number. I have several sites
that have about 10,000 + backlinks.

Quite honestly, I have no idea if that's good, bad or indifferent.

Anybody want to shed some light on this?

In my opinion, a decent number of backlinks is however many your competitor(s) have (using Yahoo's link checker thingy) and add one to that number. OK, I say that with tongue-in-cheek, but I think you know what I mean.

I will say that with some of the niches I am in and have researched, 10,000 backlinks is more than a decent amount.

[LookItsMeTerryG]

I agree with Andy on most of those things.

I'm ridiculously concerned with Trust and Authority these days, so my plan of attack includes drastic measures. Here are some additional things that I do:

1. Design the site itself to be a link magnet. I try to think of related (lsi ) services or information I can provide for 2 reasons, 1. good for traffic, 2. good for getting free automated incoming links.

An example would be, if you have a car sales site, create an image gallery of cars. Disabled right click on the images and force people that want to use them to use your copy/paste code (maybe JS or something similar to make it really tricky to edit) with a link back to your site.

Another example would be endorsements or strange products (for ecommerce). A site I've got does well because we hired a "expert" well known reviewer to produce video reviews and overviews for all of our products. We get links from him, people who interview him, his fans, etc. If you're a general store, perhaps carrying a super weird $10,000,000 personal tank would be a good thing. People link to this type of stuff all the time.

2. I go for resource sites. Because of the way google evaluates niches, I try to identify the same seed pages they use and get a link from there, or from all of the pages they link to, etc. DMOZ is good for finding these, as are NYT articles, Librarian indexes, etc. If there are private instructors or performers, doctors anything in your niche, odds are they have a resources page for their viewers. Get listed on these.

3. Since my ventures are typically ecommerce there are a lot of links that aren't available to me (sales pages guys... pay attention). In this case, I'll create an industry resource page with no commercial intent (yet ) and gather links from my competitors and authority sites that won't link to a commercially driven site.

You can do contests (best eco friendly sites) or something that people will be proud to display on their sites.

You could just offer increased product information or interviews with company owners..... pay for independent studies (medical or non) to be done - this works great for magazine citations and .edu/.gov links.

Hire a local college to develop product packaging or a marketing plan. 9/10 they'll link to you and alumni will as well.

After you get those links form your competitors / coveted sources, you have 2 options.

1. 301 Redirect the site to yours - you lose 1-10% of the link strength, but it's all good. May create an artificial decay anomaly in your profile as people figure it out though...

2. Link to your site from the pages.

4. Offer discounts or incentives. One of my favorite things to do is offer a student discount or discounts directly to bloggers (their blogname as the coupon code) for products. They'll link to you 9/10 and refer business as well.

[robgaz2009]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Stupid question. What is considered a decent number of backlinks to a site?

I've yet to see anybody definitively state a number. I have several sites
that have about 10,000 + backlinks.

Quite honestly, I have no idea if that's good, bad or indifferent.

Anybody want to shed some light on this?

Steve,

Firstly, thanks for sharing your technique to gaining backlinks. It looks so simple....

10k+ backlinks - thats like totally an incredible achievement.

Secondly, just suppose you do all the usual in developing a brand new website today - keyword research, domain name, domain hosting etc, and you've optimized the site for on page and off page (back linking) in your experience of what you do, could you estimate how long it would take to get so many links ? - just curious to seeing what amount of time it would take.

Thanks

Robert.

[GuerrillaIM]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Stupid question. What is considered a decent number of backlinks to a site?

I've yet to see anybody definitively state a number. I have several sites
that have about 10,000 + backlinks.

Quite honestly, I have no idea if that's good, bad or indifferent.

Anybody want to shed some light on this?

Number of links is misleading. I have sites that rank on first page amongst sites with thousands of links and they only have a couple of hundred links. Quality is better than quantity in my opinion.

I just keep steadily building links until I get the results I am looking for. On one site I have spent 12 months of hard work before I got the ranking I was after.

[Zach Booker]

^ Exactly.

Depending on where you look at 99% of the links you have could be PR0. (Which Google apparently doesn't count.)

Around 20 PR 3-5, quality, links can get you to the top of almost any search with 50,000 competitors. (Normally)

What I do is make 4 sites at a time and every week just pay for some guy to add 20 quality, high PR, links to each of them.

Within a few months they'll get the target keyword I want and in the mean time I get long tail traffic witch pays for my link building efforts.

Than just rinse and repeat. (SEO sounds much harder than it is. )

Zach

P.S- I'm currently launching another 4 blogs that will target pretty big keywords. I guesstimated that it'll cost, over the next 8 weeks, $800 dollars per blog. (Just for the links.)
When you outsource all your link building efforts it isn't cheap; especially if you want it done right. But it is beyond worth it.

There's some really good backlinking guys right on the forum that do a great job and aren't too expensive.

[Paul M]

Hi Steven.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Stupid question. What is considered a decent number of backlinks to a site?

I've yet to see anybody definitively state a number. I have several sites
that have about 10,000 + backlinks.

Quite honestly, I have no idea if that's good, bad or indifferent.

Anybody want to shed some light on this?

A decent number of backlinks is how ever many it takes to get on the first page of Google for your keyword. No more. No less IMO.

That will vary from keyword to keyword because no two are the same in terms of competitiveness.

Also, not all backlinks are weighted equally.

1k of web 2.0 and profile links could out-perform 10k of links from say article directories. However, those are not real numbers, just a fictional example to show why numbers can be misleading in regards to backlinks.

There is no definitive number of links.


-Paul

[Palo Coyote]

Hi Steve,
When You write an article about any subject, let's say that it's about, Internet marketing, and 1% of the people on the Warrior Forum found your article to be very compelling and they decided to Backlink to it, you have an instant and approximately 2,000 Backlinks. There would be no penalties, no search engine would be questioning this, and that would not be an inordinate amount of Backlinks. The reason is because people found your article interesting and they decided to share this and backlink to your article.

That represents the "right amount of Backlinks" because you published an article that many many people were interested in.

Your question was, "What is considered a decent number of backlinks to a site?"

Uh...'Decent' is in the eye of the beholder, if your question is, "What is considered a number of back links that will move you in the search engines?" That's an entirely different subject.

Here's something from my experience, my website was about one month old, I did some social bookmarking and got approximately 250 Backlinks from the social bookmarking. This put my site as number two for my keywords. A couple of days later Google decided to do the dance and I was listed number 999. But one week later when Google had danced with me sufficiently I came back as number two.

I had been posting comments in a discussion on a blog, the owner of the blog had responded to me and we had been going back and forth in a spirited, respectful debate. All of my comments moved me to one of the "Top Commenters" on his blog. His blog had at least 250 pages and because he had the Top Commenters plug-in my name and Backlink appeared on all 250 pages. I went from having 250 Backlinks to having 500 almost overnight.

This really didn't change my ranking on Google very much because I was already number two. The number one position for my keywords had 30,000 Backlinks. (The company is owned by a person from India and he had contacted his entire contact list and got back links from everybody in the world and it was very effective. He had a wonderful contact list.)

This was just my experience, I don't know if 250 Backlinks or 500 Backlinks is really what it takes to move somebody on the search engines. I'm just telling you what my real experience was and what happened to me.

I hope this helps you, you've been very helpful to me in the past with your posts and your advice and I appreciate your counsel very much.

all the best,
Palo

[4morereferrals]

What can I do, on my own, that won't take me oodles of time, but will get me a massive amount of backlinks quickly and won't get me sandboxed to
hell?

Steven,

Getting massive amounts of backlinks will either take some time or some money or both.

It's kind of like asking ... "What niche can I pick that only requires a few articles to write or doesnt cost me very much in PPC costs that will generate $500 a day in sales?"

Define oodles and massive ... I'll comment further once I understand your objectives/needs further.

The solution you ultimately select may also depend on how you define SPAM.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Steven,

Getting massive amounts of backlinks will either take some time or some money or both.

It's kind of like asking ... "What niche can I pick that only requires a few articles to write or doesnt cost me very much in PPC costs that will generate $500 a day in sales?"

Define oodles and massive ... I'll comment further once I understand your objectives/needs further.

The solution you ultimately select may also depend on how you define SPAM.

That's pretty much what I figured, as an article writer. Everything either
takes time or money or it borders on Black hat and/or unethical.

I've been doing this long enough to know that there is no free lunch.

[clarissa25]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Stupid question. What is considered a decent number of backlinks to a site?

I've yet to see anybody definitively state a number. I have several sites
that have about 10,000 + backlinks.

Quite honestly, I have no idea if that's good, bad or indifferent.

Anybody want to shed some light on this?

Steve, how did you get 10,000 + backlinks without outsourcing. Did you get them from doing that routine you stated in your first post? It seems like that would have taken forever. Can you please tell me what you did?

[pbennett]

Each time I create new content, I will go to Digg and bookmark it. I don't bother with the other bookmarking sites because I don't want to
spend the time.

My sites are on wordpress. Doesn't the rss feed go out to digg and the other social sites with each post?

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by clarissa25

Steve, how did you get 10,000 + backlinks without outsourcing. Did you get them from doing that routine you stated in your first post? It seems like that would have taken forever. Can you please tell me what you did?

Yeah, it took forever.

[GuerrillaIM]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Yeah, it took forever.

LOL, he aint saying nada!

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

LOL, he aint saying nada!

There's not much more to say. I did what I described in my OP and eventually
I got all these backlinks, not for one, but for 3 domains.

As a result, I now have a consistent stream of traffic to these 3 sites
bringing me in 20 plus opt ins daily and earning me an income, virtually on
auto pilot.

So for all those folks who told me I was an idiot for working 14 hour days
for 4 years, today, I hardly work at all. So all that hard work paid off.

And now I spend most of my day in the recording studio, playing video
games (my latest is puzzle quest) or BSing on this forum.

It sure beats working.

[GuerrillaIM]

Gratz Steve. Did people really tell you were a fool for working? I have followed your posts for a while and I have the impression that you built up a large quantity of sites/articles that bring in your income (around 100k?).

I have a question that I am really interested in hearing your answer. If you were returned to zero. No sites, no articles, nothing. How long would it take you to get back to where you are now. If you had some sort of investment, would this speed up the process?

I hope you don't think me nosey, I am in process of rebuilding myself, and I think I will get back to my previous level a lot quicker than it took me the first time. I am interested to know your opinion as it seems you have got where you are today by constantly applying the pressure and keeping up a good level of work.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

Gratz Steve. Did people really tell you were a fool for working? I have followed your posts for a while and I have the impression that you built up a large quantity of sites/articles that bring in your income (around 100k?).

I have a question that I am really interested in hearing your answer. If you were returned to zero. No sites, no articles, nothing. How long would it take you to get back to where you are now. If you had some sort of investment, would this speed up the process?

I hope you don't think me nosey, I am in process of rebuilding myself, and I think I will get back to my previous level a lot quicker than it took me the first time. I am interested to know your opinion as it seems you have got where you are today by constantly applying the pressure and keeping up a good level of work.

Well, it's really not a fair question since the only way I could lose my
sites is if I did something illegal to lose them. Nobody is just going to
take them away from me. Plus, my name will still exist. If I wanted to (and
I thought about doing this) I could create a killer physical product
detailing everything I did/do to earn a solid income online, price it at
around $397, sell 500 copies and be done working for 2 years.

I have decided against doing it because, quite honestly, I don't want to
spend all that time on product creation anymore. I enjoy my life as it is.

But okay, I'll play the game.

If I had to start over (I get to keep the money I've made, right?) I'd
simply outsource everything.

I'd research about 3 or 4 killer niches and then hire ghost writers to
create the products and traffic and SEO experts to drive traffic and
get my sites up to speed. I'd also hire copywriters for my sales pages
and article writers for all the content.

I'm sure I'd have to hire others as well (there is so much to do) but I'd
have all that worked out before I did it.

You're probably wondering, why don't I just do that now?

Because all that outsourcing still takes overseeing. And quite honestly,
I don't want to be a babysitter to anybody these days.

Hire a business manager?

Maybe, but then I have to keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't
rob me blind.

No, I enjoy the very simple, worry free life that I have now.

But that's what I'd do if I had to start over again.

[GuerrillaIM]

Thanks for the honest answer Steven. My experience is in leadgen so this un-attended affiliate sales stuff has never been my main focus before. In leadgen it is all about bulding ambiguity so that you can get their details but generating affiliate sales online needs a different tactic that I am still experimenting with.

I see the benefit of using copywriters but I am reluctant as to get someone good costs a decent amount and I am worried that I won't recoup my costs. Also in the past I hired an expensive copywriter who failed miserably to even come close to my control, let alone beat it, which put me off.

I think you could write a WSO that was no more than 2 or 3 pages long with the main points condensed on what to do and I would buy it right now. (review copy available? ).

If you want a guinea pig I'll put up 10k and you tell me how to invest it.

[stern112]

Originally Posted by LilBlackDress

Steve,

Onlywire is a very quick automated social bookmarking service and has some really good sites on it including Digg, Stumble, Twitter, Blinklist, Jumptags, Mixx, Technorati. Very easy to set up and use. It is also free if you post a teeny tiny link to them in one of your sites. Or it is inexpensive if you prefer not to post a link.

I have it in my tool bar for fast use.

I think Digg is no follow now...not sure if that makes a difference to you or not.

Are onlywire and bots like it, considered to be bad for link building? or Is that clean? I am just really paranoid on what can have you delisted and what can't.

[dannykth8]

I believe digg right now still do follow.

[dsorr]

Great tips in this discussion.
Thanks for all the good info.

Sharie

[casinojack]

Originally Posted by dannykth8

I believe digg right now still do follow.

Will depend on your rating if your links stick or not..you will see....

[masterbis]

Hi guys,

First of all I like to thanks Andy for starting this discussion. I am broke blogger, so I can't spend a cent to hire anyone do the link building for me. And yes, I used most of Andy's method there. But I still believe that bookmarked our link to few of social bookmarking sites will do good (not only for backlink but also for direct traffic).

Anyhow, I have this question though. I hope, any expert warriors will help answering it (and my sincere gratitude in advance for it).

"Is having several comments in one good PR blog with dofollow not harmful?"
or should we just leave one or two comments only from that website/blog?

I have to ask this, coz I love to loyally follow some famous blogger which also help in giving backlink with their dofollow policy.

Thank u so much guys for sharing your knowledge here

[Mukul Verma]

Originally Posted by stern112

Are onlywire and bots like it, considered to be bad for link building? or Is that clean? I am just really paranoid on what can have you delisted and what can't.

For too many links, lets break this into too many links from automated (OnlyWire) or too many links manually.

A friend of mine yesterday has a site which was consistent at top 2 pages, was at #2 yesterday. Now it is not in the top thousand. He saying that stombernet and Micro Niche Classroom are saying you cannot do too many links, but WF saying the opposite. Where are the experts???

[AbdulAzim]

Does submitting my own blog post to digg.com can be
considered as spamming?

Because if you see the purpose of social bookmarking site
is where people share interesting stuff all over the internet.

What if I submit every post on my blog to digg.com and
other social bookmarking sites.Will that be considered
as spam?

Or I just need to submit my blog post that I think is
interesting.

The question is actually "How to do social bookmarking
without spamming the social bookmarking sites".

Anyone?

Azim

[AvidAZ]

In regards to Digg, I find that it has been overly selective on which referring URLS are allowed and denied posts. I think too many people abused it and they raised the spam filters quite a bit.

[birdfood]

I'm no link building expert but there is not much activity in this thread which is a shame so here is my modest contribution

Link wheels (just started recently, looks promising)
article directories
relevant comments on a small number of high traffic forums with no nofollow
tried blog posts but stopped as a waste of time
stumbleupon (with exchanges)

[ShopZipCode]

Originally Posted by Alexgrett

A huge number of backlinks too fast will definitely hurt your rankings.

Can you explain this further.

[Peter Adamson]

I eat my own dog food (see sig).

And I follow my own advice here:
http://www.thelinkjuicer.com/7.steps....marketing.pdf

The pdf is about niche marketing but it explains the backlinking method I use.

[jeremynet]

Thanks for the sharing guys. Personally speaking ranking high on SERPS does not apply to certain techniques. Google algorithm is changing every year, as webmaster, we need to keep track the knowledge of SEO whether is OFF page of ON page optimization.

To be frank, I start working on link building by submit my website to thousands of web directories, but it is not worth to do it nowadays.

Writing an article and distribute to XXXX article directories? No really.
One of my website tested with just submitting articles to EZ and link back to main page and inner page. The ranking do climbs with this link building fashion.

So, the best link building method I would say is.. test it yourself and later set up your own link building system. Either with:

1) Link Wheel
2) Articles Distribution
3) Video Submission
4) Blogs Commenting
5) Web 2.0
6) Blogs creation
7) Forum signature
8) Drop link in answer site like yahooanswer, wikianswer...
9) Linkvana
10)Neurolinker
11) 3 way links
12) 1 way links
13) RSS distribution
...
*the list going on...

Just for sharing

[iblbuilder]

I use all the above plus my own system. Spread your activities across many methods, build steadily, as in a few dozen a MONTH, and focus on getting the links indexed rather than just building links and movin on.

[searchnology]

1. This is a good list...I would add "pinging" the backlinks from any and all of those sources to help with indexing.

2. You can also create an RSS feed for all of your backlinks and submit those to RSS directories for better indexing.

3. I would also recommend making some of your backlinks "authority" links by massively backlinking them as well. I've found for some niches that you can't get any real authority backlinks so you must create your own. Prime candidates include:

a. Your own Youtube channel page: Of course the only outbound link on this page should be yours.

b. Your EzineArticle.com Author page: The links on this page are no follow but it will have a link to all of your articles which do pass link juice.

c. Your own Feeder sites: I recommend setting up a few simple wordpress sites that function as doorways or landing pages for your money site. Make sure the domain name features your target keyword as the rest of the site will be very thin.

d. Your own Facebook fan page: I am not as sure about this one and am currently testing but it seems to make sense.

Now you have 4 "authority niche" pages for your money site!

Originally Posted by jeremynet

Thanks for the sharing guys. Personally speaking ranking high on SERPS does not apply to certain techniques. Google algorithm is changing every year, as webmaster, we need to keep track the knowledge of SEO whether is OFF page of ON page optimization.

To be frank, I start working on link building by submit my website to thousands of web directories, but it is not worth to do it nowadays.

Writing an article and distribute to XXXX article directories? No really.
One of my website tested with just submitting articles to EZ and link back to main page and inner page. The ranking do climbs with this link building fashion.

So, the best link building method I would say is.. test it yourself and later set up your own link building system. Either with:

1) Link Wheel
2) Articles Distribution
3) Video Submission
4) Blogs Commenting
5) Web 2.0
6) Blogs creation
7) Forum signature
8) Drop link in answer site like yahooanswer, wikianswer...
9) Linkvana
10)Neurolinker
11) 3 way links
12) 1 way links
13) RSS distribution
...
*the list going on...

Just for sharing

[debra]

Originally Posted by blase40

I actually have to respectfully disagree with the fact that a massive number of backlinks will get you penalized. I am guessing that the worst it could do is "nothing", which would simply equate to a waste of time.

That part is true.

The reason for this is simple. Its another case of people easily being able to exploit this and sabotage legitimate competition if this was the case.

If this held true, I could use some blog commenting software, forum posting software and other automated link blasters and bury my biggest competitors by securing thousands of backlinks pointing back to their sites.

And...it is a practice that is done even today. Usually to bring down "bad" publicity. Certain tools like Xrumer and a couple of others are common programs that are used.

The real reason that ppl get themselves into a sandboxed position temporily is that they are bombarding thier site with self-linking across one type of platform. It is Diversity that will keep you out of trouble.

The number of links that you do on a daily or weekly basis has no baring on whether you get invited to a "dance" or not. Googles bots can't possible follow only you and track your every keystroke on the keyboard. They can however pick up trends...especially if they are hugely unbalanced.

Each bot is programmed differently to gather certain peices of information and bring it back to a data center to be sorted out and organized. These bots are not smart...they are simply just basic scrapers.

One bot will be programed to scrape tags from videos. Another would be programed to scrape images...and so forth. There's no stopping at the donut shop or hanging out at the cooler. So they are not communicating with each other along thier way.

[searchnology]

There is a qualifier here for backlinking that should be understood. If you have a new site (less than 3 years old) you must be careful with creatin a large amounts of backlinks as this is seen as unusual and your site could be penalized in the SERPs. This is so that spammers can't game the system with brand new sites.

After your site has been live for 3 years, with a history of continuous backlinking and traffic you won't see any negative issues with massive backlink building in a short period of time. The SERPS will still dance around a bit but not drop completely off the face of the top 100. This is why you can't bombard your competitor's sites to get hurt their SERPs.

This is why you see or hear about different results for the same tactic. I hope that clarifies a bit.

Originally Posted by Mukul Verma

For too many links, lets break this into too many links from automated (OnlyWire) or too many links manually.

A friend of mine yesterday has a site which was consistent at top 2 pages, was at #2 yesterday. Now it is not in the top thousand. He saying that stombernet and Micro Niche Classroom are saying you cannot do too many links, but WF saying the opposite. Where are the experts???

[debra]

Originally Posted by searchnology

There is a qualifier here for backlinking that should be understood. If you have a new site (less than 3 years old) you must be careful with creatin a large amounts of backlinks as this is seen as unusual and your site could be penalized in the SERPs. This is so that spammers can't game the system with brand new sites.

After your site has been live for 3 years, with a history of continuous backlinking and traffic you won't see any negative issues with massive backlink building in a short period of time. The SERPS will still dance around a bit but not drop completely off the face of the top 100. This is why you can't bombard your competitor's sites to get hurt their SERPs.

This is why you see or hear about different results for the same tactic. I hope that clarifies a bit.

Where does this 3 year marker come from?

I've done sites that are less than 6 months old that did nothing but climb the serps. Hell...I've done sites that were only a couple weeks old and never had a problem.