Inconsistencies at adsense techniques

[benkleiner]

I've been following the very long and famous Adsense thread and found some inconsistencies , very evident when trying to apply these techniques.
Regarding the chosen products, such as washer&dryers, grills, bluetooth accessories, etc., we are able to find very promising keyphrases with MNR or MSamurai.!

But when checking for strength of competition almost always the first six to eight places are taken by:

Amazon
Nextag
Target
Walmart
Shopping.yahoo
Shopping.com
etc.

How do you guys deal with this issue?
Thank you

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

I've been following the very long and famous Adsense thread and found some inconsistencies , very evident when trying to apply these techniques.
Regarding the chosen products, such as washer&dryers, grills, bluetooth accessories, etc., we are able to find very promising keyphrases with MNR or MSamurai.!

But when checking for strength of competition almost always the first six to eight places are taken by:

Amazon
Nextag
Target
Walmart
Shopping.yahoo
Shopping.com
etc.

How do you guys deal with this issue?
Thank you

These sites can be beaten just like any other. The only thing you can do is experiment. Set up a site just like any other time and go for it. Just keep getting links to you site and you'll move up. Just do it!

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

I've been following the very long and famous Adsense thread and found some inconsistencies , very evident when trying to apply these techniques.
Regarding the chosen products, such as washer&dryers, grills, bluetooth accessories, etc., we are able to find very promising keyphrases with MNR or MSamurai.!

But when checking for strength of competition almost always the first six to eight places are taken by:

Amazon
Nextag
Target
Walmart
Shopping.yahoo
Shopping.com
etc.

How do you guys deal with this issue?
Thank you

As marketseeker points out, those sites are relatively easy to beat.

In fact, when I come across that situation, I know I've got a winner. With the exception of very hot items i.e. Kindle, iPod, etc., those are all very easy to beat.

Mark

[wolfmmiii]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

I've been following the very long and famous Adsense thread and found some inconsistencies , very evident when trying to apply these techniques.
Regarding the chosen products, such as washer&dryers, grills, bluetooth accessories, etc., we are able to find very promising keyphrases with MNR or MSamurai.!

But when checking for strength of competition almost always the first six to eight places are taken by:

Amazon
Nextag
Target
Walmart
Shopping.yahoo
Shopping.com
etc.

How do you guys deal with this issue?
Thank you

Actually, most of the keywords I build sites for show only lots of PR0, PR1, and PR2 sites that I need to overtake. This is why the AdSense sites I lease out do so well.

[benkleiner]

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

As marketseeker points out, those sites are relatively easy to beat.

In fact, when I come across that situation, I know I've got a winner. With the exception of very hot items i.e. Kindle, iPod, etc., those are all very easy to beat.

Mark

I had learned not to mess with authority sites, .gov or .edu among other things.
Is that an old fashion idea?
Most of them have thousand of backlinks, how am I supposed to beat that freaks?
What would you consider the limit to consider a KW very difficult to beat, regarding the Amazon.com or similar pages PR's?
Thanks

[benkleiner]

Originally Posted by marketseeker

These sites can be beaten just like any other. The only thing you can do is experiment. Set up a site just like any other time and go for it. Just keep getting links to you site and you'll move up. Just do it!

What would you do to beat them besides writing the recommended articles?

[angilina]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

I had learned not to mess with authority sites, .gov or .edu among other things.
Is that an old fashion idea?
Most of them have thousand of backlinks, how am I supposed to beat that freaks?
What would you consider the limit to consider a KW very difficult to beat, regarding the Amazon.com or similar pages PR's?
Thanks

You can target a similar KW, a one that is related to this one. If a KW have high competition then you may find long tail KWs to target.

But if you want to stay with this KW, then you will have to get some strong/trusted backlinks. Try to get backlinks from sites that SEs trust.

[JMartin]

When you're doing your research there, look at the PAGE strength first, rather than just just assuming it's tough because of domain strength.

Look at all 10 results on the first page and see why these sites are showing up and in the order they show up.

Many times it's because they have the on-page SEO fairly decent and no one else is doing anything right. Sometimes it's because they have that plus a handful of general links and no one else has links going on.

And now and then it's because they've going it all going on and you need to walk away regardless of what a competition measurement in these programs says.

Recently, I looked up a choice KWP. It has very, very, very low SEOC. It had a lot of searches and solid CPC. Basically it looked very yummy.

Then I went to page one and looked at it. You'd need a battalion of Army tanks just to crack #10. It was crazy. But that's why you need to look at everything before jumping.

But at the end of the day, you won't know anything unless you do something for yourself.

[benkleiner]

Originally Posted by JMartin

When you're doing your research there, look at the PAGE strength first, rather than just just assuming it's tough because of domain strength.

Look at all 10 results on the first page and see why these sites are showing up and in the order they show up.

Many times it's because they have the on-page SEO fairly decent and no one else is doing anything right. Sometimes it's because they have that plus a handful of general links and no one else has links going on.

And now and then it's because they've going it all going on and you need to walk away regardless of what a competition measurement in these programs says.

Recently, I looked up a choice KWP. It has very, very, very low SEOC. It had a lot of searches and solid CPC. Basically it looked very yummy.

Then I went to page one and looked at it. You'd need a battalion of Army tanks just to crack #10. It was crazy. But that's why you need to look at everything before jumping.

But at the end of the day, you won't know anything unless you do something for yourself.

Hey Jason, can you explain that in a more graphical way, giving us some example, please?
I do not follow your point, maybe because I am a newbie.
Thanks

[JMartin]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

Hey Jason, can you explain that in a more graphical way, giving us some example, please?
I do not follow your point, maybe because I am a newbie.
Thanks

Not quite sure what you wanted to know, but here's what I was saying in order:

1. When deciding whether or not to attack a KWP, I'd look at the specific URL (page) strength first. In other words, while Widgets.com might be very strong, Widgets.com/products/category/this-is-my-page-here.html might not be. For the most part, you're trying to rank against a page (homepage or otherwise) and not the entire domain.

1A - Google looks at many different things when ranking. I find it best not to assume too much.

1B - Sometimes when you see big names you know of on page one (Amazon.com for instance), it's not because the homepage has huge "authority" in the SE world, rather, it's because sites under it have done a poor job at attacking the KWP. If you look, you'll see that most of these sites have the KWP in the url, title and on page for starters. Oddly enough, the world is still filled with a large majority of sites that would rather have "Welcome to my site" in the title.

1C - The point here is rather than getting instantly put off by any "name" in the SERPs, do your homework. Why are these sites there? If you can't come up with any conclusion (good backlinks, on-page SEO, etc), then possibly they are there because no one else is doing much right. And if you can see why they are there, then it's just a question of whether or not you can do better and if you want to put in the required effort.

2. I see a lot of people that misunderstand what "low competition keywords" really are. For the most part, many just look at search #s and stop there. Unfortunately, just looking at a KWP's result number competition doesn't give you the whole picture.

2A - Since your goal is probably to get on page 1 of Google for a KWP, you need to actually look and analyze page one results regardless of how "competitive" the KWP appears to be. In my last post, I was giving an example of a KWP that would be "all systems go" usually. However, upon further review—yea, it's footfall season—the first page for this KWP was very, very hard. Therefore, even though the KWP was a green light for competition results, it was a huge stop sign for page one glory.

3. In closing, I was just pointing out that you really need to experience these things on your own. Imagine if you put up a site and pop a page one result with Amazon, Wal-mart or whoever else sit there. Imagine if you get a #1 or #2 result? You won't be too scared again right? You'll also start to create that "feel" for KWP penetration.

Good luck!

[archkre]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

I had learned not to mess with authority sites, .gov or .edu among other things.
Is that an old fashion idea?
Most of them have thousand of backlinks, how am I supposed to beat that freaks?
What would you consider the limit to consider a KW very difficult to beat, regarding the Amazon.com or similar pages PR's?
Thanks

Can anybody answer to this question, please?
It is a key point to consider?