Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

[kevin campbelle]

Thanks for providing this valuable thread and great experiment. Hope this could inspire others to do the same, myself included.

Kevin.

[krnekdo]

Hi Terry, first off thank you for a great thread!

You have inspired me to try it out for myself and i must say it is going rather well for me. I submitted an article to GoArticles and started irrelevant backlink building and am already on page 2 in google for my main keyword.

I got indexed by google sooner then in 24 hours and now 5 days after the start i am on the 18 spot in google.

I think that goarticles are not ranking as well because google has started to put a bigger emphasis on the domain name. Let me explain what i mean. If you have the keyword in the url, then you rank better and since goarticles have numbers instead of titles i think that is why they are harder to rank well in google..

[Przemek Bloniarz]

Originally Posted by krnekdo

Hi Terry, first off thank you for a great thread!

You have inspired me to try it out for myself and i must say it is going rather well for me. I submitted an article to GoArticles and started irrelevant backlink building and am already on page 2 in google for my main keyword.

I got indexed by google sooner then in 24 hours and now 5 days after the start i am on the 18 spot in google.

I think that goarticles are not ranking as well because google has started to put a bigger emphasis on the domain name. Let me explain what i mean. If you have the keyword in the url, then you rank better and since goarticles have numbers instead of titles i think that is why they are harder to rank well in google..

If you think that google put a bigger emphasis on the domain name then maybe it would be better to buy cheap keyword.info domain that make an article?

[Doug D]

dubdubdub.keyword.com . = significant impact on rankings.

dubdubdub.goarticles.com/keyword = considered "best practice", but will have little to no effect on your rankings.

Originally Posted by krnekdo

Hi Terry, first off thank you for a great thread!

You have inspired me to try it out for myself and i must say it is going rather well for me. I submitted an article to GoArticles and started irrelevant backlink building and am already on page 2 in google for my main keyword.

I got indexed by google sooner then in 24 hours and now 5 days after the start i am on the 18 spot in google.

I think that goarticles are not ranking as well because google has started to put a bigger emphasis on the domain name. Let me explain what i mean. If you have the keyword in the url, then you rank better and since goarticles have numbers instead of titles i think that is why they are harder to rank well in google..

[sterlingtek]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cringwall
Brilliant, Terry. Love all of this, and your audio interview from your opt-in list is pure gold. Everyone opt-in to Terry's list if you have not already.

My question to the group: Terry says we need to keep a portfolio of these high-pr sites in a spreadsheet. What type of program could we use to alert us if one the profile pages is removed? Some kind of old reciprocal-link verifcation script, perhaps? I can see a cronned script that checks 10 or so pages a day for our link and reports any failures. Does anyone have any ideas here?

Anyone?

I posted a quick trick with Firefox to look at a lot of links quickly on page #9 of this
thread #449 next to last on the page.

Chris

[Terry Kyle]

Before getting back to previous posts/comments/questions, here's an interesting question or issue.

Two actually.

1. Getting a new article or site crawled is pretty easy. Getting it indexed - as Article 2 in this experiment illustrated - can be trickier and very inconsistent.

Here's a comment from Matt Cutts about it:

http://www.youtube.com/v/k8PQ3nNCYuU&hl

I've forgotten how to embed a YouTube video in a post - can we still do that on WF?

The issue is - and this is all mere speculation of course but hopefully entertaining speculation! - what criteria does Google use to determine if a site is 'indexworthy' or not? Crawling is nothing if you can't get out of the blocks and get indexed.

Here's issue 2 that I've been thinking about on a rainy day in London today, over in R & D sector 32 inside my brain:

Given that one of Google's primary goals is to prevent a completely factual understanding of their algorithm (which is constantly changing of course) in order to protect its integrity, wouldn't one of the best ways to do that be to consciously build in variation into its process - within certain parameters of course.

What do I mean?

If we look at all the contradictory SEO theories out there - many by pretty smart people based on their experience - how else could we explain their different results and experiences EXCEPT through inbuilt variation in Google's algorithmic process; a process that prevents mathematical absolutes!

For example, in this 'Variation Theory', sometimes LSI will be more influential than others, sometimes identical anchor text will be fine, at others variation is rewarded, sometimes GoArticles rank well immediately, sometimes they're welded to Page 47 etc etc.

Google has no obligation to any individual Webmaster (like us) but is HUGELY invested in keeping its SERP mechanics (the fine details I mean) secret.

Is this all crazy talk? Maybe. What do you think?

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Doug D

Sorry Terry, didn't mean to go off in another direction, but it seemed germane to the thread?
Doug

It all adds value Doug so fire away!

[cmo140]

For the ones that don't have time to learn all of this, how much would it cost to hire you to do this for someone?

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by reapr

Terry what are your thoughts?

I have picked up in the last several posts that if you have an article ranking on one of the better directories that you should use senuke or some other method to create articles and point it back to that article? In otherwords point back to the article?

Hiya R,

Sounds roughly right. The original article is the 'Money Site' (even if it's an affiliate conduit to a CB vendor etc) and SE Nuke creates loads of other articles/posts on Web 2.0 properties that point to that Money Site.

In theory, you can then create an 'Outer Ring' of even more articles/posts linking to the Inner Ring (which is NOT laterally connected, 'cluster' might be a better word) which theoretically pass link power through to the Money Site.

If that makes any sense?

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Big JP

Well, articles can also be used for backlinks, so rewrites may published all over the place to all kinds of directories, and the sole purpose of the articles is just to gain the backlinks from the articles body/resource etc. without much care as to whether they get many views or ranked high.

For example, you could write an article on "meet hot women" submit it to a top directory such as Ezine articles, then have the same article spun and distributed to as many places possible with links pointing back to the Ezine article. The Ezine article is the one you want to rank, but the other spun versions are just pure backlinks and nothing more.

Make sense?

JP

Hi JP,

Welcome back bud.

Among my past failed IM fads (as Sinatra sang, 'I've had my share' or something like that), I used to absolutely hammer article directories with Article Post Robot (hope I don't get sued in a minute).

Article Post Robot is - in its defence - actually a very efficient program and does precisely what is was designed to do - post articles...er, robotically.

The problem I found JP was that those hundreds and hundreds of links (OK let's call them tens of thousands) gave very little impact - at least for me. Maybe others have done well with mass article directory submission, I never have.

The best results that I've gotten (even if these sites had the same PR as article directories I was using) have been from forum profiles and social community-type sites that you see in Angela and PJs packets, sites for example like Ted dot com or ladygaga dot com.

Now I'm sure that the hardcore article marketing guerillas have well-developed strategies for maximising opportunities on search traffic WITHIN an article directory (not Google) but relying on link power from (hundreds of) article directories (with dofollow) has always been a dud for me.

I'll PM you shortly about that cloaking issue JP (assuming you aren't a lawyer for some cloaking sites!)...

[Terry Kyle]

To Chris' point above, here's the link for my free SEO Notes 'diary':

Backlinks Black Belt Free Reports

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by przemski

If you think that google put a bigger emphasis on the domain name then maybe it would be better to buy cheap keyword.info domain that make an article?

Hi P,

I hate to be the 'bad cop' but I've never seen a .info domain ranking well (can't remember ever seeing one at #1, but I could be wrong).

Word on the SEO street is that Google sees these as spammy (but question everything!).

However a cheap .info domain is perfectly fine as a top level domain redirect to an affiliate site from an EZA Bio Box - if EZA affiliate marketing is the business model you're pursuing.

[Terry Kyle]

Also, someone was asking about the Simple Leveraging System.

Warrior Steve Morgan is your man and he's here:

View Profile: sgsmorgan

[Big JP]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Hi JP,

Welcome back bud.

Among my past failed IM fads (as Sinatra sang, 'I've had my share' or something like that), I used to absolutely hammer article directories with Article Post Robot (hope I don't get sued in a minute).

Article Post Robot is - in its defence - actually a very efficient program and does precisely what is was designed to do - post articles...er, robotically.

The problem I found JP was that those hundreds and hundreds of links (OK let's call them tens of thousands) gave very little impact - at least for me. Maybe others have done well with mass article directory submission, I never have.

The best results that I've gotten (even if these sites had the same PR as article directories I was using) have been from forum profiles and social community-type sites that you see in Angela and PJs packets, sites for example like Ted dot com or ladygaga dot com.

Now I'm sure that the hardcore article marketing guerillas have well-developed strategies for maximising opportunities on search traffic WITHIN an article directory (not Google) but relying on link power from (hundreds of) article directories (with dofollow) has always been a dud for me.

I'll PM you shortly about that cloaking issue JP (assuming you aren't a lawyer for some cloaking sites!)...

Yes, I totally agree with the points you mention regarding the results from the different backlink techniques, and have the same feeling towards them, I was just pointing out an answer to your question on why you see so many articles with little view counts, I would put my money on those articles being spun content that have been distributed all over the place for the purpose of getting backlinks, and maybe some exposure.

"I'll PM you shortly about that cloaking issue JP (assuming you aren't a lawyer for some cloaking sites!)"

No, I am not a lawyer....Yet

Look forward to hearing from you

JP

[Tom Goodwin]

deleted because i'm an idiot.

[sterlingtek]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Here's issue 2 that I've been thinking about on a rainy day in London today, over in R & D sector 32 inside my brain:

Given that one of Google's primary goals is to prevent a completely factual understanding of their algorithm (which is constantly changing of course) in order to protect its integrity, wouldn't one of the best ways to do that be to consciously build in variation into its process - within certain parameters of course.

What do I mean?

If we look at all the contradictory SEO theories out there - many by pretty smart people based on their experience - how else could we explain their different results and experiences EXCEPT through inbuilt variation in Google's algorithmic process; a process that prevents mathematical absolutes!

For example, in this 'Variation Theory', sometimes LSI will be more influential than others, sometimes identical anchor text will be fine, at others variation is rewarded, sometimes GoArticles rank well immediately, sometimes they're welded to Page 47 etc etc.

Google has no obligation to any individual Webmaster (like us) but is HUGELY invested in keeping its SERP mechanics (the fine details I mean) secret.

Is this all crazy talk? Maybe. What do you think?

This brings to mind a recent algorithmic milestone, the netflix prize

netflixprize dot com

"The Netflix Prize sought to substantially improve the accuracy of predictions about how much someone is going to enjoy a movie based on their movie preferences."

The goal was to improve the base algorithm by 10% for a given data set.

A team called Belkor won the prize and the way they did it probably says a lot about how the Google algorithm works.

First they sieved through the data for any relevant variables. This was the best way that they found to improve the algorithm at the begining.

For Google think

--> Links
--> Where are links coming from
--> KW's
--> What group do the KW's belong to
--> What group do the linking Sites fall into
--> User Behavior / Bounce rate
--> Page Load time
--> Server Geographic Location
--> etc

(the new KW tool on Google Adwords makes it apparent that Google is aware what category that KWs are found in.)


The Netflix winners algorithm works by blending the predictions of several models together, think "wisdom of crowds". the mix could be very different for different categories of KWs. For instance if high quality "red rubber ball" sites tend to have lots of links from other "red rubber ball sites" google could easily incorperate this into the algorithm for that KW category, ie LSI (Latent semantic Indexing) begins to be important. For other KW groups it could have no or little effect depending on how the blending of the models is being performed.

So the answer is, this. I doubt that google is using a random model for different webpages, but I suspect that for different KW's it is separating them into groups and judging them on multiple factors with different blendings of their models.

The reason that I suspect that things work this way is that it would let them deliver the highest quality results and that seems to be what they are primarily about.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by sterlingtek

So the answer is, this. I doubt that google is using a random model for different webpages, but I suspect that for different KW's it is seperating them into groups and judging them on multiple factors.

The reason that I suspect that things work this way is that it would let them deliver the highest quality results and that seems to be what they are primarily about.

I agre with this. I did an experiment where I picked 7 different keywords and backlinked them all the same way. They all had the same sort of competition. Out of the 7 keywords only 2 ranked in Google (and gained an almighty PR of 4 each). The other 5 didn't budge or gain PR.

[cmo140]

I have been trying to read this and understand whats going on from the start. Basically The question I have is: What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one. In this experiment their are several ways to do it and I just want to find out what is the best way so I can try it myself. Also the Senuke program is brought up several times, is it worth the money to get the job done or is there another program out there that is better.

[7_8_shortcuts]

Originally Posted by cmo140

I have been trying to read this and understand whats going on from the start. Basically The question I have is: What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one. In this experiment their are several ways to do it and I just want to find out what is the best way so I can try it myself. Also the Senuke program is brought up several times, is it worth the money to get the job done or is there another program out there that is better.

Depends on your business model.

If you want to be on page 1 for a *lucrative* keyword(s) and STAY there, then... there is no easy quick method.

You can achieve good results if you are targeting low competition keywords (that are buyer-keywords) but then the search volume might be low so there is no much advantage of being on page one for a term that is searched 2 times a day.

What you could do is optimize your mini-sites for a lot of buyer-keywords at the same time and just get some of that traffic over to your website, even if you are NOT on page 1.

Then you just build more mini-sites like that and get as much traffic as possible (combined) instead of aiming for one article/website on page 1 in Google. That's a lot of work to keep up!

[cmo140]

Thanks for the input but I am still looking for a method out there. I have a ebook that I am trying to get out there and I have two keywords that I am trying to get ranked. Its a very long thread and trying to read it all and firgure out what is the best method is a job itself. Out of the 4 methods here, which is the best to do for what I am trying to do. Basically look of what I need to buy, what kind of software, ect.

[jasonmorgan]

What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one

the problem is... it doesn't exist.

While basic SEO and the methods needed to rank a site well are very simple concepts, achieving that goal isn't easy or quick.

If it were that easy... this thread wouldn't be 11 pages long and growing, you wouldn't have people starting new threads asking the same questions over and over again and we would all be living it up on the beach in Tahiti.

If you don't want to read the whole thread... here it is in a nutshell... get lots of backlinks. Get about 2 million backlinks and you can be on page one for just about anything you can think of.

*an edit 'cus my comments were a little dick nixon

Almost all of the methods you'll find posted around WF for ranking a site involve one common factor... backlinks.

There are not a whole lot of differences between the different methods used. Profiles, blog and forum commenting, backlinks from relevant or authority sites, submitting articles... it's all about getting backlinks. A link wheel is just a fancy term for backlinks that link to each other. What do some of the fancy automated tools do... spam backlinks for you.

At the end of the day, it's always backlinks. How you get them or where you're sticking them is the devil in the details.

[cmo140]

Of Course its not easy, But what is the best method on this. What software should I use. Reading through this, many times people talk about software, rank checkers, Senuke. I guess what I am looking for what Software did Terry use. Maybe there should be a list of everything he used with prices.

[sterlingtek]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

If you don't want to read the whole thread... here it is in a nutshell... get lots of backlinks. Get about 2 million backlinks and you can be on page one for just about anything you can think of.

Not if I get 2,000,001!

[Terry Kyle]

Thanks for all the input above Warriors - good stuff!

Originally Posted by krnekdo

I think that goarticles are not ranking as well because google has started to put a bigger emphasis on the domain name. Let me explain what i mean. If you have the keyword in the url, then you rank better and since goarticles have numbers instead of titles i think that is why they are harder to rank well in google..

Hi K,

New GoArticles are struggling more than older ones at the moment and ArticlesBase seems to have more instant response right now to backlinks than GA.

I had been advocating trying Buzzle but it's important to note that they can take up to 4 weeks to approve a new author (Google likes editorial standards by the way).

One factor that DOESN'T seem to matter is article length. I've gotten GoArticles of roughly 250 words to rank very well though 500 words is the accepted 'standard'.

The other important thing to keep in mind is that you MUST rewrite high ranking articles if they aren't giving you conversions - yes the ranking will fall for a few days/week but the weight of links will bring it back.

I have done this many times with GoArticles. If it isn't working, that high ranking is meaningless.

[Terry Kyle]

Responding to some aggressive backlinking, my pen-named articlesbase article (#7 in this experiment) is currently at #9 on Page 1 of Google for the term, Causes Of Yeast Infections:

Causes of Yeast Infections?

That's according to my GoogleGlobal plugin anyway!

[Poker Rakeback Mafia]

what type of backlinking and how many links did this one have Terry?

[kevin campbelle]

Did articlesbase always have those green links appearing in the articles?

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by kevin campbelle

Did articlesbase always have those green links appearing in the articles?

I've just started using Articlesbase K so I can't say for sure. Earlier this year, GoArticles ran a similar thing for a couple of weeks and CTR and conversions fell through the floor.

Such article directory tactics, I believe, make that linked call to action between the headline and article essential (if the directory allows it).

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia

what type of backlinking and how many links did this one have Terry?

I'm trying a few new types of service PRM so I'm going to watch the results before revealing those - I don't want to appear to endorse them before watching the results unfold. Secretive, huh?

[Terry Kyle]

Much more updating soon but wanted to share this quick tip before rushing off to Saturday night dinner.

Generous Warrior Carl Ringwall shared this with me so kudos to you Carl.

One Web 2.0 site that Google particularly loves is this one:

News, Magazines, Newspapers, Journals, Reference Articles and Classic Books - Free Online Library

Carl showed me a site of his that was ranking very highly without any backlinks!

If the keyword isn't super-competitive, as George 'Google Sniper' shows, you can get away with minimal backlinking.

Actually in the next day or two, I'll be writing my thoughts on Google Sniper for my SEO Notes subcribers (it's free).

That post will have NO affiliate links to Google Sniper, it's just an assessment of the strengths and weaknesses (there are some) of that system for my subscribers.

If you aren't on that list (why not?), you can sign up here - (this is an 'affiliate link promotion free' newsletter):

Backlinks Black Belt Free Reports

Gotta rush to dinner!

[Terry Kyle]

For those following my Panic Attacks article for the term, how to deal with panic attacks (which has been bouncing between #1 and #3 up against a tag-team of Squidoo troublemakers):

How To Deal With Panic Attacks?: GoArticles.com

I have just completely rewritten the article and shortened the headline to the keyword phrase.

It's still in my vast backlinking factory though but watch how it falls and (hopefully) bounces back over the coming days/week or two.

The point?

If an article isn't working with a #1 ranking, don't be afraid to change it!

I am going against some of the findings of this experiment with a totally different strategy now. Let's see if this does a better job of preselling as the previous one wasn't performing.

Just a quick note on my forthcoming Google Sniper review for my SEO Notes subscribers. If you are using this system now, strongly consider adding heavy (outsourced) backlinking (to go after more competitive terms), a WP plugin like WPUnique or Content Blender, PLR articles for your non-main posts, Google Analyticator and less reliance on On-Page SEO.

No disrespect to George Brown at all with those observations, just my options for strengthening his well-articulated program.

With a similar-ish system, IPK, my success in the past was pretty limited because I didn't do those things (wish I understood them back then - duh! ).

More on that stuff in my full review. Articlesbase article on yeast infections holding at #8/#9 on Page 1 still.

[pons_saravanan]

Hi terry

How about adding a H2 tag and few H3 tags?

I have checked your article's HTML source. I noticed only H1 is there. And there is no H2 and H3.

I am not sure GoArticles allows that or not.But you can wrap a title inside your article with <h2>Tilte Keyword</h2>.

I had some good movement in the SERPS with H2 and H3 Tags.

[samcarson]

Terry are you using Backlink Booster in this experiment? I know this is a new product, I meant did you start using it.

Sam

[caliray]

The title of this thread caught my eye because I'm in the middle of generating a list of high PR dofollow backlinks. It's clear to me that Google, for now anyway, places a lot of value on quality backlinks in their page ranking. Let's hope their "authority site" algorithm never goes out of use.

From my own experience, it is not very easy to find decent PR pages that allow comments. Sure, I can find tons of high PR sites that have comment pages, but on inspection, find the comment pages are nearly always un-ranked or have zero PR.

I would have posted a thank you, but I've looked and don't see a thank you button anywhere. Maybe it's a color I can't see.

[Davioli]

Use Comment Kahuna to find high PR pages for commenting. Its a real timesaver and if you do your comments right the stick rate is pretty good.

[Terry Kyle]

If you are on my list, I just sent out my analysis and recommendations on Google Sniper - WITHOUT affiliate links (so there FTC!)...more soon.

[searchnology]

Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.

[searchnology]

Note the domain PR is taken into account as well...I'd say it is even more heavily weighted than the page PR.

Originally Posted by caliray

The title of this thread caught my eye because I'm in the middle of generating a list of high PR dofollow backlinks. It's clear to me that Google, for now anyway, places a lot of value on quality backlinks in their page ranking. Let's hope their "authority site" algorithm never goes out of use.

From my own experience, it is not very easy to find decent PR pages that allow comments. Sure, I can find tons of high PR sites that have comment pages, but on inspection, find the comment pages are nearly always un-ranked or have zero PR.

I would have posted a thank you, but I've looked and don't see a thank you button anywhere. Maybe it's a color I can't see.

[Doug D]

Duh! Just do what franky K. says...and buy the domain that is in your spot.

Sorry, I couldn't resist

Originally Posted by searchnology

Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.

[medway]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

If you are on my list, I just sent out my analysis and recommendations on Google Sniper - WITHOUT affiliate links (so there FTC!)...more soon.

Terry I've just subscribed to your list but maybe I missed the mail out, does it still come to late subscribers? And if not is there a way to access it?

EDIT: nevermind I found it with a google search...

[yasky]

Originally Posted by medway

Terry I've just subscribed to your list but maybe I missed the mail out, does it still come to late subscribers? And if not is there a way to access it?

EDIT: nevermind I found it with a google search...

I just signed up as well.... Where did you find it?
Or if Terry could send it I would greatly appreciate it.

[Stephen Root]

Originally Posted by searchnology

Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.

That's really hard to pull off with backlinks. You'll have to gather a lot of age for your domain, get Google Analytics to spy for Google and tell them that visitors are enjoying your website and finally get some social buzz.

At least that's what it took six months ago for us to push one page above Wikipedia with quite popular keyword. Keywords are not equal so your milage may vary

[yasky]

Terry, I really would like to thank you for this thread and everyone that has participated. It has been very informative and I have learned some great stuff from it. I am currently just getting underway with an adsense campaign and will be implementing some of your strategy and tactics.

I would like to know if you also use ezine or just stay with GoArticles. And if you use both do you put the same article on both?

Thanks Again

[tferraro11]

Originally Posted by cmo140

Of Course its not easy, But what is the best method on this. What software should I use. Reading through this, many times people talk about software, rank checkers, Senuke. I guess what I am looking for what Software did Terry use. Maybe there should be a list of everything he used with prices.

Like jasonmorgan said there is no quick and easy way to drive your website niche to the first page if you want it to stick. It takes aggressive proper link building, social networking, social bookmarking, article writing for traffic, and a website that is properly SEOed. It doesn’t really matter what software you buy or use, if you don’t know how to SEO properly you will receive very poor results. In addition, if you’re going after keywords that are very competitive with competition like Amazon and Wiki on the first page, it will take a lot of time and money to rank above them. Remember you get what you pay for, SEO is a long term investment not a one or two month investment which is very unrealistic. If you find the right SEO consultant to do the job, you will turn your investment into profits.

[Curleyjohn]

A hear felt thank you from me too. There is so much information in this thread I could be processing it for the next year. Just when I thought I knew which end was up...this thread comes along.

[Terry Kyle]

Super quick post now before coming back later tonight to respond and update.

I touched on this in my Google Sniper analysis (Part 1) for my email subscribers but this tool I've been messing around with lately is valuable for all IM in finding good keyword phrases that haven't been saturated (remember you need to check the search volumes suggested by this tool in your usual weapons: Keyword Elite 2, Google Keyword Tool, free Wordtracker etc).

However, it does give lots of ideas and a quick glimpse of the strength of organic competition (SEO for Firefox plugin required) - I'll let the pics tell the story:

If anything isn't clear, post your questions and I'll answer them later.

[jazbo]

The wonderwheel is absolutely my new favourite toy!

[Mountainmotorman]

Originally Posted by cmo140

I have been trying to read this and understand whats going on from the start. Basically The question I have is: What is the easiest and fastest method to get your site on page one. In this experiment their are several ways to do it and I just want to find out what is the best way so I can try it myself. Also the Senuke program is brought up several times, is it worth the money to get the job done or is there another program out there that is better.

SE NUKE rocks! My crew uses it ALL the time.

[sterlingtek]

Originally Posted by searchnology

Has anyone been successful at unseating Wikipedia from a #1 position on Google for a keyword using anyone's backlink packages? I am #3 behind Wikipedia but I wonder if it has ever been done. I could be spending a lot of time and money for naught.

You are right also in your other post that the PR of the domain counts, in fact with most Wikipedia articles it is internal linking that helps them to score so high on Google. One approach is to use Yahoo Site Search for the the Wikipedia article in question, and note all of the internal links. Then sign up to become a Wikipedia editor. Go into each page that has has an internal link to the article that you are trying to knock out and change them to no-follow.

have fun,
Chris

[turbohips]

Originally Posted by Mountainmotorman

SE NUKE rocks! My crew uses it ALL the time.

I discontinued my service with SENuke last week. There are way too many problems with the software and I'm waiting for the new update coming in a few months. At this moment I don't feel it all that great and I'm still waiting to see results from my efforts. Nothing yet so I don't feel the program is worth the money.