Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

[himanuzo]

GoArticles is good for SERP/SEO purposes. But GoArticles doesn't allow traffic statistic.

If you put an affiliate link into the resource box of an article, how do you find out traffic statistic through the GoArticles?

[webdaisy]

thanks for sharing this great information

[Terry Kyle]

Very quick update:

SENuke update complete so I'm busy creating new social accounts for the first linkwheel on Article #2 tomorrow and devouring Warrior Tom Brite's SENuke guide right now.

Looks like Article 1 has hit Page 1 of Google USA for it's term (according to the GoogleGlobal plugin for Firefox) though a second US results tool I use (Google Ad Preview) - because I'm in London UK - says it's still on Page 2. Weird.

Remember, Article 1 has the IRRELEVANT backlinks.

I will answer all the above questions tomorrow when I get the first linkwheel up...

When the experiment is nearing its conclusion, I will reveal not one, but two, other secret SEO experiments with other methodologies I have also been conducting in this same niche - exciting, huh?

[Rendix]

That's one thing I've discovered I want with the IM business, lol.

Considering I can't afford much, and I'm just getting my ball rolling, a time machine would be a fantastic investment.

(waits...)

[judelive1986]

I'm so excited ..about the results... I'll just follow on this post..

[judelive1986]

I'm so excited about the results... I'll just follow on this post..

[XRay]

Terry,

This is an excellent thread! I love the detail you're giving here. I've subscribed to this thread so I can keep up with your progress. Wishing you much success with this project.

Ray

[dwrglobal]

I'll absolutely keep an eye on this thread.. Way to go Terry..

[netstarmobile]

This is very educational. As someone new to this whole scene, I find this info extremely useful. I'm not sure I fully understand everything Terry is doing, but as the experiment continues, I intend to educate myself with as much research as possible. I subscribed to this thread and I'm learning some valuable things from it, so THANK YOU, Terry for the education and I'll be watching with great interest as the experiment continues.

[Terry Kyle]

Thursday Night 1 October Update:

Thanks for all the support above - don't forget to click on the "Thanks" button on the bottom right of this post if you find my posts/thread valuable!

OK, before I answer a few questions, I wanted to revisit the whole converting an HTML or other type of page that DOESN'T have an RSS feed into one.

If you recall, I had recommended WebDev's tool BUT their RSS feeds were NOT validating. Whoops!

BUT, I have found one and checked it out (couldn't get Pete Drew's to work but thanks for the tip!). The benefit of doing this is to give your pages that don't come with their own feed, an RSS feed that you can hit:

FeedAgg
FeedAge
FeedBurner
Autopinger
Pingomatic
MillionRSS
and
RSSBot

e.g. you might have GoArticles, Amazon pages, a static HTML site of your own, an RSS-feedless Web 2.0 property (not many but still some) etc and want to give it extra exposure and link juice through an RSS blitz.

The site to visit is Feedage.com - Convert HTML 2 RSS

and here are the steps:

Step 1:

Step 2:

Step 3:

Step 4:

Step 5:

Blast it out to the RSS services I mentioned above. In case you couldn't read that RSS Validator URL (there are plenty of 'em out there), its: W3C Feed Validation Service, for Atom and RSS

Right, now for some questions:

Originally Posted by purelight

To be honest Terry, even though I recently bought your WSO I don't know a heck of a lot and a bit of what your doing is just going over my head. I would be very interested in the CB process if it doesn't slow the thread down too much with basics for everyone else.

Will do. The CB process was pretty painless and only took a few days. If you have specific questions purelight, fire them in! I've tried to document each step but occasionally I might have missed something so jump in and ask - it's the only way to learn!

Originally Posted by himanuzo

GoArticles is good for SERP/SEO purposes. But GoArticles doesn't allow traffic statistic. If you put an affiliate link into the resource box of an article, how do you find out traffic statistic through the GoArticles?

Hi H. GoArticles WILL give raw view counts so I rely on my tracking IDs within the articles themselves to give me info in ClickBanks Analytics. If you look back at my previous posts, you'll see how CB analytics is telling me where the hops are coming from and which ones convert. That's why it's really worth the trouble of setting up those unique CB tracking IDs e.g.

Link at top of Article 1 - CB tracking code: 1A

Link within Article 1 - CB tracking code 1B

Link in Bottom Bio Box Article 1 - CB tracking code 1c

If you want me to do screen grabs of setting up ClickBank tracking codes and cloaking them in offto.net, let me know.

With my Article 3 Linkwheel 'spoke' sites, I am using the tracking code LWHEEL but I really should have created a unique code for each Web 2.0 site (I'll try to!) but with the upgraded SENuke, there are 34 ring sites feeding my money site so it's more work. Worth it though. BTW, I'm still setting that up as I want my Linkwheel 'structural integrity' to be perfect.

Originally Posted by James Lancaster

I have some questions:
How I should build my backlinks? I have no problems building almost unlimited amount of backlinks from various high profile sites and random sites as well, however, some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more. The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly. Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

Also what about submitting batches of backlinks to profile sites by copy-paste method? Won't google catch up that those are the same and same backlinks with no changes?

Thank you for your answers

Hi James. You can either build backlinks yourself following Angela/PJs/my WSO picture guide OR outsource them via a service like elance.com (the only one I've ever used and very happy with it). I pay $25 per 50 profile backlinks with a bio paragraph and photo uploaded and one of my WSO buyers told me that he was quoted $175 for building 750 links! Not bad.

some of my goarticles have ranked in the first pages during a week but haven't risen any more

GoArticles - like any site - need to be backlinked until you reach your desired position. A lot depends on the strength of competition above your GA. That's where finding a keyword with weak competition is very important e.g you might be able to beat a Wikipedia page with 8,000 backlinks but it will take a very loooooong time.

Here's one thing I know for sure about the relationship between backlinking and Google ranking: it's often a frustratingly inconsistent progression to the top. Nothing happens - then big movement - then a plateau - little movement - then high rankings etc. It's like you have to reach tipping points for further progress. In short James, just keep at it.

The inner pages of my sites that I built backlinks for along with goarticle ones, haven't been indexed at all or rank very badly

Indexing and ranking are two separate but connected things. If you haven't been indexed, you can't rank in the SERPs. The indexing is like getting listed in the phone book. If a page or GoArticle of yours hasn't been indexed, hit it with all of the bookmarklets in an earlier post of mine on this thread, make RSS feeds as per this post and hammer them out there, create a quick powerpoint video and blast it through tubemogul with your links etc.

Just keep bookmarking though and don't give up (or keep your elance outsourcer going!). One site of mine refused to even be seen in the top 200 of Google results for 3 months but I kept at it. Then one day it was at #12, then #5 and soon after #1, knocking out some heavyweights in the process. If you have a portfolio of sites that you are developing backlink-wise, you'll be less frustrated with the slow progress or no progress of some of them.

Is it ok to build, let's say, 40 backlinks a day and then rest for some time? It's much more convenient to build 100 in one day on a week than 10 a day. Does it matter to google? I ask because apparently Google can't find all backlinks at once thus it can not think it is spam.

The wisdom is to build progressively but I haven't tested that conclusively. What I can tell you is that if you completely stop building backlinks for a site, it will probably start drifting downwards (unless it has some amazing backlinks!). I'm seeing that right now on some of my sites that I haven't backlinked for a while because I'm doing stuff on this experiment - actually the real problem is that I have too many bloody sites in my portfolio dammit!

Google may not acknowledge a site's backlinks very fast (or ever!) but they do seem to be 'seen'. Bottom line though James is that if any of these looked suspicious to Google and your site was hammered, every shonky hustler on the net would be using those tactics against their rivals!

Just keep going at it and you will make progress! Hope that helps and ask, ask, ask James if you need more clarification. I will be doing screen grabs of an elance outsourcing job soon. Promise.

If I missed anyone, please fire your question in again.

We're 2 weeks into the 8 weeks and, according to GoogleGlobal, Article 1 is currently at #5 on Google USA.

We have 32 hops at the moment with no sales but it's all in motion...

[jasonmorgan]

What I can tell you is that if you completely stop building backlinks for a site, it will probably start drifting downwards (unless it has some amazing backlinks!).

Do you run any splogs (spam blogs)?

I'm not sure if this would make any difference but if you have a few splogs all linking to one of your sites, if they are running on auto pilot and constantly generating new content, each new post is going to create a new backlink. These additional backlinks might not be worth much for SEO but they do provide a constant stream of new backlinks and activity directed at your site.

Like I said, I'm not sure if this would make any difference or help a site from drifting downwards but it's an idea.

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

Do you run any splogs (spam blogs)?

I'm not sure if this would make any difference but if you have a few splogs all linking to one of your sites, if they are running on auto pilot and constantly generating new content, each new post is going to create a new backlink. These additional backlinks might not be worth much for SEO but they do provide a constant stream of new backlinks and activity directed at your site.

Like I said, I'm not sure if this would make any difference or help a site from drifting downwards but it's an idea.

Hi Jason. I don't have any splogs for this experiment nor have I used them myself in the past. Have you had success with that approach?

There will however be a couple of other approaches to SEO/linkbuilding revealed near the end of this experiment.

Back to this experiment:

We are getting into the SENuke phase now.

Now with the upgraded SEN, in theory you can set up a linkwheel consisting of 34 'spokes' or sites linking to each other and your money site.

Actually, if you add in USFree Ads and some article directories, it's quite a few more.

Each site was hit with a spun version of an article of around 39% originality that I created with Warrior Sebastian Kohl's (I think that's his name) Power Article Rewriter.

There are many of these types of programs available now and of course Human Rewriter too - which I have used for other tests in this experiment.

If you want to save some money while trying a manual linkwheel approach without SENuke, these are the 34 sites I attempted to set up:

Hubpages
(I did Hubpages manually as they only permit 2 links in the article and the rest have 3 links; one to the GoArticle, one to the vendor with a cloaked aff link and one to the next site in the wheel)
Zimbio
Wikispaces
Blogspot
Wetpaint
Wordpress.com
Quizilla
Knol
Msn spaces
Tripod
Google sites
Webs.com
Vox
Livejournal
Xanga
Blog.com
Ning
Friendster
Blogsome
Jimdo
Zoho
Gather.com
Onsugar
Blogetery
Easyjournal
Nexo
Atwiki
Zoomgroups
Zoomshare
Insanejournal
Terapad
Diaryland
Thoughts.com
Sosblog

However, typical of this process, some sites fail to set up e.g.

BUT

once the wheel has been theoretically created, it is extremely important to manually check the integrity of your wheel.

When I did, I found that Zoho requires a login to view the post so that effectively 'broke' the 'chain'.

SENuke took about 30 minutes or less to create the wheel and I took maybe another hour checking and changing links so that it worked in a sequence.

If you recall an earlier post with Lemonarium's thoughts about mixing up the wheel like a 'mesh', that will be a future step (after I chat to Warrior Tom Brite about it).

Eventually I settled on a wheel of 28 sites and I did not let SENuke ping the sites until the wheel integrity was manually tested.

I then pinged the new sites through SENuke to:

However, I also noted the RSS feed URLs of the sites that DO offer RSS e.g.

Friendster
Hubpages
Terapad
Zimbio
Wordpress (obviously!)
LiveJournal
Tripod
Blog.com
Blogsome
OnSugar
EasyJournal
Zoomshare

As I'm writing this, I've got RSSbot spreading my RSS feeds for those linkwheel 'spoke' sites to help their indexing.

At the moment, Article 1 and 3 (before the SENuke effect) are both on Page 2 of Google for their respective terms but surprisingly Article 2 has not even been indexed yet and Test 4 has been indexed though not yet appearing in the SERPs. More work needed on Article 2 indexing-wise.

I checked Test 4's progress with SB101 and this inner-page URL has about 30 social bookmarks each from different accounts across each Web 2.0 property there. Obviously Test 4, the WP site, hasn't reached its Google 'tipping point' yet.

Here are the latest Analytics from ClickBank:

That's the latest so far and remember to hit the "Thanks" button on the right below if this thread is proving useful for you.

More soon...

[zakiprofit]

I believe this is one of the best thread in this forum

[Web_Itch]

Hi Terry,

Nice work. Just a few questions:

Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit? Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)? Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

Lastly just wondering why you choose SB101 as the site alternative?

Thanks,

Web Itch

[XRay]

Terrry,

Congrats on the progress you're making with this project.

About the linkwheel:28 spokes is a sizeable linkwheel. Did you go with a closed or a broken structure? Also, did you focus on just one keyword for your anchor text or did you vary the anchor text with related keywords?

Looking forward to reading the next update. Keep up the good work.

Ray

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Web_Itch

Hi Terry,

Nice work. Just a few questions:

Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit? Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)? Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

Lastly just wondering why you choose SB101 as the site alternative?

Thanks,

Web Itch

Hi Web Itch - all good questions and one of the reasons for running this experiment - to help on the detail.

Do you use the same user name for all the accounts created in SENuke, or mix them up a bit?

I used the same email account and password (as much as possible anyway) but SENuke lets you spin the titles of Web 2.0 accounts/titles - I used about 5 variations which was all I could squeeze in there. Each spinner variation contained the keyword phrase intact.

Also with SENuke are you backlicking from Angela's and your list as well as all the SENuke Web 2.0 (including articles, SB, and RSS links)?

Yes, I am backlinking them from the above packets to make sure they're indexed and getting some link power. Running a full backlinking campaign on 28 new sites is a pretty big commitment but we'll see.

Won't that give article 3 an advantage over article 1 and 2?

That's what we'll find out. Many SEO experts suggest that relevant links are everything so maybe Article 2 has the advantage. Then again, Test 4 has SB101 behind it!

Just wondering why you cloaked the affiliate links over direct link or redirection?

Cloaking links is the perceived wisdom on aff links but you're right, let's question everything here and I'm going to some sub-experiments on the cloaked links.

Redirection (if you mean, for example, by buying a cheap .info domain, and redirecting to CB vendor) is unnecessary with GoArticles as they allow aff links straight to a CB vendor, unlike EZA which demands a top level domain redirect (if that's still their current policy). Unlike EZA, GA also let's you put as many links INSIDE your article as you want - and they respond to backlinking much faster than EZA articles.

Originally Posted by XRay

Terrry,

Congrats on the progress you're making with this project.

About the linkwheel:28 spokes is a sizeable linkwheel. Did you go with a closed or a broken structure? Also, did you focus on just one keyword for your anchor text or did you vary the anchor text with related keywords?

Looking forward to reading the next update. Keep up the good work.

Ray

Thanks Ray. The 28 spoke wheel is closed if you mean sequentially connected in one big loop. However, once some indexing is happening of the 'spoke' sites, I'll start randomly 'meshing' cross spokes across the wheel, making sure that I avoid any reciprocal linking.

I did use spun version of the keyword BUT each version kept the keyword phrase embedded intact within each longer keyword alternative e.g.

if my target keyword was 'cheap nike shoes', I had variations like 'where to get cheap nike shoes', 'cheap nike shoes in chicago' etc.

BTW, cheap nike shoes is definitely not the niche I'm in!

Hope that helps.

Incidentally, in my 'spare time', I've been studying backlinking systems used successfully by very large companies in VERY competitive niches where they create literally MILLIONS of anchor-texted backlinks a year.

Yep, millions.

It's fascinating stuff and blows away any concern about backlinking too fast. I will probably do a WSO on it and something else much more ambitious on it too!

[teamind]

Fascinating research, Terry. What an amazing mind you have. Will definitely be checking out your backlinks package and following this thread to the end!
Kelly

[salegurus]

Thanks Terry, You are opening up the world of building backlinks through RSS and web2.0

[Web_Itch]

Hi Terry,

Thanks for your pronto response. I was thinking of a meta redirection so you don't have to purchase a domain name (where you create a redirection within a file on any of your sites), but cloaking the way you did is easier. Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB? Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program? I know you're testing it to find that out, I was just curious why you choose that one. Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

Thanks again,

Nolan Speers (Web_Itch)

[Poker Rakeback Mafia]

I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.

[Marcel Hartmann]

Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia

I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.

An xrumer blast will vary in effectiveness for every use. Different people have different targets; some of the guys on Digital Point will use the same target list for each of their customers, not achieving the potential of the software.
Also, different article directories will produce different results. Some pages will stay on page 1, others will fall dramatically after 2-3 weeks due to the rapid fall in link velocity. But not all. It's all very interesting stuff. I think the xrumer test is beyond the scope of this experiment.

[w123]

very interesting thread, thanks for the info!

[filejunkie]

thanks for this.
i will stay and watch this thread and want to know progress and result

[Terry Kyle]

OK - haven't checked in for a bit with a thousand things to do but here's the latest:

Article 1

Article 1 now has about 100 IRRELEVANT backlinks and - according to BOTH the GoogleGlobal Firefox plugin AND Google Ad Preview Tool - is sitting at #4 on Page 1 of Google USA for its keyword term. Ahead of it is an older GoArticle, a .edu page and an about.com sub-page. However, the backlinks to those authority pages (not sites) aren't particularly strong. Article 1 is bringing in the affiliate hops as the screen grab below shows, where I'll talk about conclusions from that table. By the weekend, Article 1 should have about 150 IRRELEVANT backlinks. On face value, the relevancy of backlinks, or lack thereof, doesn't seem to be hurting its ranking.

One more important point: In terms of link density on the page, the backlink on each of those sites is the ONLY one placed there. Same for Article 2.

Article 2

Article 2 has about 100 RELEVANT backlinks but has STILL not been indexed by Google! As such, it cannot appear in the search rankings. However, the Web 2.0 properties that I used to help get it indexed are sprinkled throughout the first 5 pages of Google. I expect those to fall off pretty soon. Could be that the Googlebots don't visit the sites of this (very slightly obscure) niche that often.

Article 3

Our 28-spoke linkwheel has been created, has structural integrity and a unique CB Tracking ID for the linkwheel aff links: LWHEEL (you can see it on the pic below). If I get some volume on those, I'll create unique CB Tracking IDs for each of the 28 sites. I have fed the sites that have RSS into RSSBot and through my usual cluster of FeedAgg, FeedAge, Feedburner, Feedraider, Pingomatic, Autopinger and MillionRSS. I have also been social bookmarking a couple of the 'spokes' each day.

As yet, none of the 28 have been indexed and at the moment, I can't find Article 3 in the top 10 pages of Google USA for its keyword term. I suspect that Google is 'digesting' the new backlinks.

Test 4

The new WP-based site is relying on the power of SB101 but even though Web 2.0 bookmarks from other members of SB101 are turning up through the first 10 pages of Google for its term, the site itself isn't - not yet anyways!

ClickBank Latest Analytics:

Now some conclusions we could draw so far from these analytics (remember to ignore the sale as that was a test of my cb vendor process):

[1] Article 1 has had a total 22 hops so far. Only 1 of those came from the Bio Box! Link 1a at the top of the article (before the actual article content) has attracted 9 hops from which 2 have resulted in Order Form impressions on the Vendor site. That sounds pretty promising to me even if there are no sales as yet from that Tracking ID. In contrast, the link WITHIN the article has attracted 12 hops with 0 Order Form impressions! The only hoplink from the Bio Box did NOT result in an order form impression.

This is part of the reason why I like GoArticles - you can have your aff links wherever you want in the article (the top looks good so far!), an article will go live in under 24 hours, the page isn't as saturated with AdSense as EZA and GA articles respond really well to simple backlinks! Let's see how things progress on this one.

BTW, my CB Vendor gravity was around 100 so I'm assuming he or she is getting reasonable conversions.

[2] Article 2 is not ranking on Google so I'm assuming that the 13 hops there are from curious surfers who stumbled across my backlinks on forum profiles etc. As yet, 0 Order Form impressions there. Boo-hoo.

[3] Article 3 has 13 hops with 0 Order Form impressions so far. That's OK as this one is relying on SENuke which hasn't been on the job that long.

[4] Test 4 has 7 hops for 2 Order Form impressions though it has no Google SERP help so far, just Web 2.0 bookmarks via SB101.

[5] So far the Linkwheel from Article 3 has delivered 4 hops with 0 Order Form impressions. Very early days there.

Other News:

I have been trying Warrior Steve Hawkins WSO of a semi-automated backlink program and it is very good. It works with a clever right click menu function that allows you to paste in a whole page of information that you have entered or individual boxes that need filling in e.g.

If you are doing backlinks yourself or just don't want to pay for outsourcing, this is an excellent alternative - you can check out Steve's program in the WSO section here:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...thly-fees.html

I'll talk more about Steve's program in the days ahead as I use it more but I have found it much more intuitive than say Roboform.

Also, I want to do an additional test with a new self-hosted WP blog in this niche where all content comes from an original source that is posted into the blog by email automatically. All earnings from this site would be from AdSense only and I have a source of unique content that I will go into later. The problem is that I cannot get my WP blog-by-email to work properly with any plugin or approach. Anybody here cracked this one? Let me know by PM please as it would be an interesting extra experiment in this whole process.

Now for some correspondence:

Originally Posted by Web_Itch

Hi Terry,

Thanks for your pronto response. I was thinking of a meta redirection so you don't have to purchase a domain name (where you create a redirection within a file on any of your sites), but cloaking the way you did is easier. Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB? Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program? I know you're testing it to find that out, I was just curious why you choose that one. Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

Thanks again,

Nolan Speers (Web_Itch)

Why not use the direct CB encrypted hoplink from GA to CB?

Stay tuned - shocking revelations ahead Nolan!

Just wondering if there are advantages to cloaking?

The problem I have with any cloaking is that you have to totally TRUST the integrity of the cloaking mechanism. Plus, would a general public buyer know (or care about) the type of link they are following. Personally, I doubt it and am torn on the 'conventional wisdom' of cloaking. Again, stay tuned for news on that front ahead.

Also any reason you choose SB101 in particular as the site alternative? Is it a good program?...Are there others like it or is SB101 the de facto standard for placing a site on a bookmarking network?

SB101 has been getting plenty of attention on WF and I wanted to feature a broad range of SEO approaches in this experiment which might answer a lot of questions for us backlinking bandits in one go. Link Juicer is another one getting attention using a similar-ish methodology. Is SB101 the de fact standard? Probably not yet but to be fair, Ken Fry, who is a very decent guy by the way, has not had it running all that long (I don't think) but time will tell and I love the creative ingenuity of things like SB101, LJ etc.

Originally Posted by Poker Rakeback Mafia

I have a suggestion to really spice things up. How about another article with an xrumer blast to see how that performs. That's the type of info that everybody would like to know.

Hi PRM. You're pretty generous with my time! Only kidding. I am unfamiliar with xrumer - can you elaborate in this thread - but I have a couple of top secret additional tests going on too (not to mention the autoblog by email that one clever techie reader here will help me with - fingers crossed!).

Also, from my WSO thread, I did want to quote a post there as I feel it shows exactly the kind of patience and persistence essential for IM success (and life too, probably if that's not too deep):

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

One quick note about automation.

Although I still subscribe to Angela's and PJ's stuff as well, when I can, I now try to backlink a grouping from the same platform. This speeds up the process immensely. I find 20-25 a good number.

With Roboform (if you don't already have it, shame on you), and the "fill" command, you can really streamline the process of both signing up and then putting in the links after you register, since the same information will be required at each of the sites in your grouping. In Roboform you can add your own as well. So if it has a "Bio" box, you simply put in "Bio" into Roboform, and then in the following box type in the links that you want. Then you just click on your profile and *poof*, everything is inserted. You can have an endless number of profiles in the pro version of Roboform.

If you really want to automate the process, I have been playing around with iMacros for the past 24 hours or so. I started with my favorite group of 20 backlinks (i.e., i prefer this platform), and using the iMacros "record" function, I have been able to get it so that after the emails are confirmed, I can sign in, and put all of the necessary backlinks with 100% automation (i.e, I can be drinking a beer in the other room) in under 5 minutes for these 20 sites. It took me a few of hours to set this my first iMacro (and get the hang of the syntax, etc.), but I look it as a long term investment as I can now do this over and over and over.

Also, I use SENuke, which has a POP email verification function in it, so I simply use that to confirm all of the emails, and it can confirm 25 emails in under minute automatically. There are probably other POP email verification software out there, but for me it is just added functionatlity for SENuke I guess.

Good work THM...

[netstarmobile]

Love the thread. I have been following from day one. It's a great opportunity for us newbies to learn from the more experienced guys.
A couple of quick questions for anyone that wants to answer.

1. How effective is Xrumor? Has anyone out there used it with success?

2. I see Terry using RSS feeds, so must they work well for him. What is the most effective way to set up these feed?

3. How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

Thanks in advance.

[Terry Kyle]

Thanks for all the support! Here's an edited PM to me that I wanted to share:

Originally Posted by James Lancaster

Hello, Terry!

I wanted to know if you could help me out a bit more with some things I am not sure about regarding backlinks.

I wanted to know how can I get my backlinks indexed faster. Currently it's interesting...some sites I have backlinked don't have any or very few backlinks while others have 1k and more. This is an example:
SITE DELETED TO PROTECT SENDER'S WISH TO KEEP IT HIDDEN
If you check it in yahoo site explorer then you will see lots of backlinks, but I don't have that site ranking at all.

I wanted to know the approximate time span when I should start seeing results from backlinking and getting targeted visitors from the keyphrase.

Hi James,

I checked your site in Backlinkwatch.com and believe I have found the problem.

On face value, you DO appear to have over 1,000 backlinks to that site BUT the majority of them come from a handful of sites.

In Google's eyes, in my experience, links from the same site basically only equate to a single 'vote' (backlink-wise) from that site. If we drilled down to how many DIFFERENT sites were backlinking to yours, it wouldn't be many. That's why I bang on so boringly about backlink IP Diversity in my WSO Report!

If you look at the sites in my sig file, in theory I should be getting the number of posts I have made as separate backlinks to those sites (about 270-odd). However, I know from watching their progress in SEO Tools Rank Checker, that they are not getting anything like that kind of boost. Why? because they are all coming from one site.

In Google's eyes, true 'authority sites' have a DIVERSE range of sites linking to them and for your site (and some of mine in my sig file) that just isn't there - yet! When you think about it, backlinking is really about making our sites look like true authority sites to Google.

In short James, keep building DIVERSE site backlinks and you will see progress.

Now let's look at another one of your questions which everybody asks about - time expectations for backlinking effect.

If you recall, Article 1 in my experiment is already holding at #4 after just 3 weeks of life and about 100 diverse backlinks.

However, another one of my sites, one that I've shamefully neglected to be honest, gaspressurewasherhq.com, refused to show up in the SERPs despite 3 months of solid backlinking after it was built earlier this year.

Then, within a week or two, it hit the highs of page 1 and even #1 for a while. I haven't backlinked it for a while - my site folio is too bloody big! - and it's slipped to page 3 (that's another issue, by the way - the need to maintain backlinking once you get to number one!).

gaspressurewasherhq.com is not a great site by any strectch - it's all syndicated content - but persistent backlinking on just one term (gas pressure washer - do a search and see what you find) to one inner blog post page got it to #1 in about 4 months.

I know I could get it back there and probably will but backlinking effect can be fast and dramatic sometimes (#4 in 3 weeks for Article 1 is pretty good but how long will it take to get higher?) or slow and painful.

The bottom line though James is to be patient - as I was with gaspressurewasherhq.com - and make sure you have a diverse range of sites linking to one site page (think of it as building an 'authority page' rather than site which will drag your whole site into the SERPs).

With indexing, as this experiment has shown, it's quite a hit-and-miss affair. Articles 1 and 2 went through the same indexing process (outlined in previous posts) and Article 1 was indexed (I think) in just under a week. Article 2 is...let me check...still NOT indexed after 3 weeks! Using the brilliant Google Alerts, you can soon see which sites Google visits quickly.

In short, use the aformeentioned bookmarklets on your Firefox toolbar (or OnlyWire), SocialBot, RSSBot, a blog post on LadyGaga.com (Google loves this site - G must be a fan of her music!), HTML pasting into pastehtml.com (then bookmark it), a link on a Gumtree/Craigslist ad, my.telegraph.co.uk, ecademy.com etc

Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by netstarmobile

Love the thread. I have been following from day one. It's a great opportunity for us newbies to learn from the more experienced guys.
A couple of quick questions for anyone that wants to answer.

1. How effective is Xrumor? Has anyone out there used it with success?

2. I see Terry using RSS feeds, so must they work well for him. What is the most effective way to set up these feed?

3. How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

Thanks in advance.

Thanks Netstar.

My mental jury is still out on RSS effectiveness though I find a FeedAgg entry will rank highly for a few days. I mainly do it because 'you're supposed to' but I'm yet to see concrete evidence of its effectiveness - maybe you should run an experiment!

How effective are backlink services and which is the best?

Usual outsourcing backlinking services work the same way - manually - so comparing them is down to price, speed and reliability like any business service.

However, automated tools/services like SENuke and SB101 are what this experiment will test so let's see...

[Terry Kyle]

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[Mary Greene]

Terry, I have nominated you for every honor short of Warrior knighthood because of this outstanding thread. Thanks for delivering true value!

Cheers,
Mary Greene

[anwar001]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

OK, before I answer a few questions, I wanted to revisit the whole converting an HTML or other type of page that DOESN'T have an RSS feed into one.

If you recall, I had recommended WebDev's tool BUT their RSS feeds were NOT validating. Whoops!

BUT, I have found one and checked it out (couldn't get Pete Drew's to work but thanks for the tip!). The benefit of doing this is to give your pages that don't come with their own feed, an RSS feed that you can hit:

FeedAgg
FeedAge
FeedBurner
Autopinger
Pingomatic
MillionRSS
and
RSSBot

e.g. you might have GoArticles, Amazon pages, a static HTML site of your own, an RSS-feedless Web 2.0 property (not many but still some) etc and want to give it extra exposure and link juice through an RSS blitz.

The site to visit is Feedage.com - Convert HTML 2 RSS

and here are the steps:

Step 1:

Step 2:

Step 3:

Step 4:

Step 5:

Blast it out to the RSS services I mentioned above. In case you couldn't read that RSS Validator URL (there are plenty of 'em out there), its: W3C Feed Validation Service, for Atom and RSS

Thanks for pointing out this useful service.

[Jeff Scott]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Human Rewriter are currently showing this message on their site if you are planning on using them at the moment:

Hi Kyle, I know several others have commented on this before, but I suggest you take a look at TextBroker . com as they have a large pool of writers and on the dozens of times I've used them, they produce good quality on a quick timeframe.

- Jeff

[Innercore]

Hi Terry
Iam following you from day 1 and Iam a newbie to IM.Basically as a Webdesigner,some part of IM is much easier for me.
You are giving me tremendous strength when I thought that this field is not for me.I bought items,softwares and various wso's for the sake of learning and evetually earning something from IM.My mind is always thinking something about new even though I haven't finished the old one.So you can say that there is no systematic way to approach till I saw your thread.
I have seen only one thread with live data(if any other thread is there,just awake me from my sleep)and I can say that proudly --Its only Happens in this forum and proud to be a Warrior.
Iam doing right now with one niche with the same procedure of you.

Regarding duplicate content : When the Search engines and article directories think that this is a duplicate content? Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

Finally,if anybody agrees or not(everybody who visited this thread loving these posts )I will put you up in Hall of Fame for driving newbies like me to learn something step by step.
I wish you goodluck!

thanks mate for everything
Fellow Warrior
JAY

[turbohips]

I'm very interested in finding out the results on the article with non-relevant links as I'm doing that with great success and also your experiment with the SENuke software. The software looks very interesting but the cost is a tad high for me unless I can find a bunch of clients to justify its use.

Question for you, I now only am using back links to promote my site. How much more will article writing and submissions increase my rankings?

[Bagless]

Just when 'er indoors is nagging me to get an early night, I stumble across this gem of a thread. An hour and a half later and I have barely touched the surface. As they say in Star Wars "May Divorce Be With You"

It was worth staying up for though Terry, fantastic work

[kira178]

fantastic post and its very usefull for me. Thanks

[Terry Kyle]

Answering posts and updating soon - thanks for the support - but I had to share this BRILLIANT insight from the main discussion area of WF:

Originally Posted by Jason_V

I was looking through the WSO section. I just got hit by such a HUGE realization.

I think the reason why so many WSO's are successful is because people can ask questions about the product right under the sales letter and the creator can actually reply back to them.

You can build a really good rapport with your potential customers by doing this.

Not only does this help the person who asked the question decide whether they want to buy the product, it helps other people who come along and have the same question decide if they want to buy too.

Not only does this format allow people who have questions to post right below the sales letter, it also allows people who have great things to say about the product to post under the sales letter.

Think about it, how many people actually go through the trouble of emailing you at your support email to ask a question? Chances are they don't.

However, if you gave them the option to post the question right there under your sales letter they would probably me more likely to ask it. If you required an email address for comments/questions you could then email them and tell them you answered their comment/question when you do, which would probably bring them back to your sales page.

Remember multiple exposure to a sales page leads to a better chance of a sale.

YET, not one sales letter that I know of does this! Can you imagine if you had a regular sales letter and allowed comments/questions to be posted under it?

Obviously, if it's on your domain you would probably want to moderate those comments/questions. However, this could probably improve your conversions by 300%+

What do you think?

What you can learn in this forum is AMAZING!

[Terry Kyle]

OK - Sunday Night Update

Let's recap and review.

Bear in mind that one of my main criteria for a successful IM/backlinking approach is CONSISTENT results. Yes, Google can be a variable, somewhat unpredictable thing (e.g. Google Dance) but for us IMers to build long term sustainable businesses, CONSISTENCY is critical, IMHO.

As great as they are, CPA, WSOs and the like tend to have a finite lifespan. I'd rather 'own' a set of niche keywords for years.

So let's review our business model for this experiment and the integrity of each component. If a business model is to work, each component needs to be functioning properly and delivering CONSISTENT results.

Here is a simplified schematic of what we are doing:

and here are the latest CB Analytics and why I have made certain tactical changes:

Now so far the CB vendor that I have sent 123 hops to has not yet delivered a sale for us. That seems too high (or low, sales-wise) and today I thus changed all the links across the 4 sites to another CB vendor in exactly the same niche.

The original CB vendor had a gravity of 90-100 and the new one is roughly double that figure. Let's see how the hops above 123 compare.

For the record if you don't know, ClickBank 'gravity' is:

a unique calculation by ClickBank that takes into account the number of different affiliates who earned a commission by promoting this product over the past 8 weeks. Since more recent transactions are given a higher value, this number can give you an idea of what products are “hot” at the moment, in terms of being promoted by many affiliates and making a good number of sales. However, high gravity can also indicate that there will be a lot of competition in promoting this product.

With 123 hops and no sales, the integrity of the CB vendor's site to convert (mainly GoArticle) traffic meant that the above model did not work. However, it could also be that GA traffic in that niche doesn't convert particularly well.

In comparison, I have GoArticle traffic in the reverse phone lookup niche converting at roughly 4% (4 sales for every 100 hops) but the gravity of that vendor has been over 600.

So now we need to watch this new higher-gravity vendor and see how well they convert our traffic.

Article 1 with close to 150 IRRELEVANT backlinks is holding at about #4 or #5 on Page 1 of Google for its term and brought in 79 of the 123 hops.

Article 2 presently cannot be found on Google for its term though it has close to 150 RELEVANT links. Why? because it still hasn't been indexed. Results are early but the case FOR irrelevant links being fine looks strong - so far!

Article 3 is currently Google Dancing around as SENuke's links are found. Following Lemonarium and Tom Brite's advice, I have unlinked my linkwheel so that now it is a bunch of random Web 2.0 sites linking back to the article.

Site 4 (SB101) still hasn't hit its stride either.

Hopefully, all of this proves that patience, persistence and the willingness to adapt (rather than giving up, for example) are essential to making progress.

Even after this experiment has ended, I will persist with these sites until they get to #1. For some of them that might take another 3 or 6 months - it doesn't matter. What does matter is adding another profitable site or property that keeps delivering incoming to my web portfolio. That, I suggest, is the mindset needed to succeed in IM. Off my soapbox now.

So, lets look at some questions:

Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

Hi Kyle, I know several others have commented on this before, but I suggest you take a look at TextBroker . com as they have a large pool of writers and on the dozens of times I've used them, they produce good quality on a quick timeframe.

- Jeff

Thanks Jeff. I'm past that stage on this particular experiment but having a Plan B and Plan C on every part of a business model is vital - thanks for sharing J!

Originally Posted by Innercore

Hi Terry
Iam following you from day 1 and Iam a newbie to IM.Basically as a Webdesigner,some part of IM is much easier for me.
You are giving me tremendous strength when I thought that this field is not for me.I bought items,softwares and various wso's for the sake of learning and evetually earning something from IM.My mind is always thinking something about new even though I haven't finished the old one.So you can say that there is no systematic way to approach till I saw your thread.
I have seen only one thread with live data(if any other thread is there,just awake me from my sleep)and I can say that proudly --Its only Happens in this forum and proud to be a Warrior.
Iam doing right now with one niche with the same procedure of you.

Regarding duplicate content : When the Search engines and article directories think that this is a duplicate content? Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

Finally,if anybody agrees or not(everybody who visited this thread loving these posts )I will put you up in Hall of Fame for driving newbies like me to learn something step by step.
I wish you goodluck!

thanks mate for everything
Fellow Warrior
JAY

Hi Jay,

Is there any percentage threshold?I mean for example 80% and above of original content is not duplicate and viceversa.

30% seems to be an industry average and is what SENuke recommends.

Anybody having any insights related to search engines and Major article directories,please post it here.I assume that all the major article directories accept the article which is 80% original .

I used to really hammer a mass article submission product that was very efficient and fast BUT I never seemed to get much of a rankings hit from it - despite having a bunch of anchor-text backlinks going from them. My own philosophy (everyone has their own and I'm not poo-pooing theirs at all) is to write one good article and backlink the hell out of it rather than writing endless articles and hoping that one somehow sticks.

Regarding Content blender plugin: I think that this plugin masks or inserts certain letters to make article as unique?Did anybody facing problem with Google?Iam talking about using that plugin for Adsense income.

Would love to hear Jeremy and Don's thoughts on this as its their plugin (I've never had a problem with it).

Originally Posted by turbohips

I'm very interested in finding out the results on the article with non-relevant links as I'm doing that with great success and also your experiment with the SENuke software. The software looks very interesting but the cost is a tad high for me unless I can find a bunch of clients to justify its use.

Question for you, I now only am using back links to promote my site. How much more will article writing and submissions increase my rankings?

Hi TH,

SENuke IS expensive but hopefully readers here can have a 'test run' of it through this experiment. If it delivers, the price will be inconsequential.

See above where I have hopefully addressed your other points.

Originally Posted by broker11

Terry, great thread.
Can you also keep track of or estimate your total time of work invested for each method? If there is a large difference in time required for each test then that may be as important a factor as the results that are produced.
Thanks.

I'll try but I've used a LOT of outsourcing and automation here B11. Remind me at the end to add this in to the final verdict if I miss it.

One more tip: I now use 2 virtual assistants via elance for various jobs and I pay each $3 an hour. That's the kind of value you can get there. I heartily encourage you to get one too! They're great for Web 2.0 account creation, backlinking and any other random repetitive labor that your IM business needs.

Back to work now and keep those questions coming. Many thanks too for all the support here!

[Yuds]

Man I love this thread. Thanks so much Terry for doing all this research!

[jasonmorgan]

maybe I missed it... did you drop wordpress from the experiment or was that article 4?

[Terry Kyle]

That's #4 J - the one powered by SB101.

Plus I've got some other 'secret stuff' happening too which I'll reveal later...sneaky, huh?

[jasonmorgan]

Plus I've got some other 'secret stuff' happening too which I'll reveal later...sneaky, huh?

sounds good

[esh]

Hi all,

I am following this thread since from sept 14, and im here posting all the important posts from Terry till oct 11. Hope you find it useful. I bought his backlink packets and all i can say is, its wonderful. The coolest thing is he has some vital information about using backlink packets in addition to the links.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/bsj4gwjmgew/Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 14 - 21.zip

http://www.mediafire.com/file/oqh0mkymmhw/Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Sept 22 - Oct 11.zip

Regards,
Esh

[esh]

Hi Terry,

I have a quick question. Say your keyword targeted for article 1, gets 500 visits a day, since you said your articles are in 3-4 position, they must be getting 200-300 visits, (correct me if i am wrong) you said you are getting 100 hops a day, at means the click through rate of your article is 50% assuming if you get 200 visits from google. My question, should you be getting atleast 1 sales a day, at this rate? And also since you said you moved to a new vendor with double gravity, that must be doable now? Is it statistical or speculation?

Another question is, though only your articles rank in google US alone, it must be getting less visits, but assuming that only people from major english speaking countries buy anyway, that must not be an issue! Does your article also rank in Google Uk?

To add a twist to this experiment, can you try adding 4 more articles and building IRRELEVANT backlinks to them? Because this will increase the chance of getting more visits and hopefully sales? (That's just my idea though!)

Thanks for everything, this thread rocks!

Best,
Esh

[Terry Kyle]

Close to the end of Week 4 of our (theoretically) 8 Week experiment and we have...our first sale:

Remember to ignore that $34.51 sale as that was a test of my other CB vendor account.

I've obscured the amount to keep the niche secret a little longer - it was twenty something dollars.

If you recall, after 123 unsuccessful hops, we switched to a DIFFERENT CB vendor in the same niche (though I haven't replaced the linkwheel aff links - yet) with just under double the gravity.

Here is the latest CB Analytics breakdown in terms of raw hops since the experiment began and Tracking ID breakdown:

Interestingly, the link proving the most successful is the one at the very top of the article between the headline and the article itself - pity EZA don't allow this! If you don't know what I mean, here is one of my other GA articles in a completely different niche (aff linked to Amazon Associates):

I have a lot of other GA articles under aliases but that one is under my name.

While one sale is hardly conclusive evidence, that link was performing the best out of all the links in terms of order form impressions BEFORE the sale.

Now though the CB vendor we have switched to pays about $9 less per sale than the first one we tried, the fact that CB vendor #1 wasn't converting (for us!) made it pointless to continue there without changing something.

Incidentally, one of the main arguments AGAINST affiliate marketing is that you are helping to build the long-term list of the vendor who can (potentially) milk that list for years. So, why not have links in your GoArticle to your own Aweber signup page where you capture the prospect on your list BEFORE trying to persuade them on to the CB vendor.

I haven't tried this approach myself yet but it IS on my 2010 'to do' list (though that is a scarily big list at the moment!).

Interestingly, all of the heavy lifting is being done by Article 1 at the moment. Article 3 is still only on page 3 of Google and the others aren't in the mix yet.

But hopefully you can see the potential of having a bunch of these GoArticles ranking well through sustained backlinking for different terms in different niches.

Now, let's look at a few questions:

Originally Posted by esh

Hi Terry,

I have a quick question. Say your keyword targeted for article 1, gets 500 visits a day, since you said your articles are in 3-4 position, they must be getting 200-300 visits, (correct me if i am wrong) you said you are getting 100 hops a day, at means the click through rate of your article is 50% assuming if you get 200 visits from google. My question, should you be getting atleast 1 sales a day, at this rate? And also since you said you moved to a new vendor with double gravity, that must be doable now? Is it statistical or speculation?

Another question is, though only your articles rank in google US alone, it must be getting less visits, but assuming that only people from major english speaking countries buy anyway, that must not be an issue! Does your article also rank in Google Uk?

To add a twist to this experiment, can you try adding 4 more articles and building IRRELEVANT backlinks to them? Because this will increase the chance of getting more visits and hopefully sales? (That's just my idea though!)

Thanks for everything, this thread rocks!

Best,
Esh

Hi Esh,

Hopefully the above screen grabs from the whole experiment clarify the hops/day progress and numbers.

Google in the UK (where I live, far from my home in Sydney) normally has roughly - give or take a few positions - the same results as Google USA. However Esh, I will report UK results as well in future progress updates.

Doing an extra 4 articles is not physically possible at the moment BUT am I doing some other secret experiments that I will reveal later.

Paul has given me permission to post this PM here for everyone's benefit:

Originally Posted by islander1

Hi Terry,

I'm considering getting your package, but I'm kind of a newbie and only want to use it for article marketing-to rank articles at the top of Google that I submit to Go or EZA.

So far, I've been struggling trying to accomplish this. I write the articles and put about 50 or 60 of Angela and Paul's backlinks on each article (competition less than 300,000 quoted results).

So far, on 30 articles, I haven't been able to rank any of them in the top 10 of Google. In fact, some of them aren't even indexed by Google yet and it's been over a week since the last ones were submitted.

Anyway, I'm looking for a solution to what I'm doing and I'd like to know 2 things:

1. Am I on the right track or is the method I'm using flawed?

2. Will your package show me some of the things I'm missing which I need to get these articles to the top?

Maybe it's just a matter of more backlinks per article and more time (patience) plus a few "secret" methods that I may learn in your ebook.

I'm just trying to figure out if I'm on the right track or not and if your package will help me.

Thanks in advance for your guidance!

Take care,

Paul Lindquist

IMHO, the 'method' of judging competition by using "in quotes" figures needs to be discarded firstly.

That would be like judging the strength of competition of a horse race, boxing tournament or yachting regatta simply by the number of competitors.

What matters is the QUALITY of the competition NOT the number. If you only had ten competing sites and they were all 10 year old authority sites with thousands of backlinks to the page/s you are trying to beat, forget about it.

As you have hopefully read by now, that Article 1 in this experiment took 150 backlinks and 4 weeks to get a decent ranking and sale.

Backlinking is a real 'tipping point' activity in my experience - a site can be doing nothing for months sometimes, despite constant backlinking, then one day, it soars. My gaspressurewasherhq.com site previously mentioned was exactly like that.

The trick Paul is to keep at it with a bunch of GoArticles (30 is way too many, try under 10 to focus on at first) and eventually some/many will get to the top - IF you haven't picked fights with very tough opponents! Plus, make sure the keyword is in your title (preferably at the start) and throw an aff link in at the top of the article as per the pic above.

With my WSO, I'll let other Warriors reviews of it on my WSO thread speak for its quality.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Followers of this thread may be aware that I am tinkering with other backlinking and SEO stuff all the time. You can now follow those experiments, discoveries and discussions by dropping in here. It's all free, like this thread too.

More coming soon and thanks for the above support...

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Terry,

So many of the things that you are saying in this thread about keyword research etc is SO dead on...I'm diggin it.

Let me know when you get your WSO ready, if you need someone to review it and give a testimonial if it is warranted, let me know.

[Slin]

Terry.

Man you've inspired me so far

This is pretty much just a fan message man. Keep up the work!

[cashcow]

I just wanted to say that this is really one of the best threads ever!

And thanks for that tidbit about the link at the top of Goarticles - I knew you could put links in the article body but never thought to do it quite that way! Gonna go try that out today!

Lee

[desireeaib]

Hi Terry:

Some of what your are talking about is over my head and sometimes I feel like giving up because the lingo alone is hard to learn!

BUT I know I can so I keep at it. Is there a book step by step anywhere? I'm doing a mix of things and then I got myself confused about what I'm doing. I have to sit down this weekend and write out my own steps! That's how confusing it can get. I thank the SEO gods for Snag it! as the pictures help me a lot when I'm reading and learning and going to sites as I do the stuff they ask.

Thanks for your reveal.

[lockwood77]

Great stuff Terry, thanks for the info, it's already given me a couple of good ideas and got me more excited about IM! As an agency/consultant guy for over a decade, it's difficult to stop doing what I've always done (selling my time) and move to creating revenue from my own sites, but things like this are a real motivator.

One thing, it may be because my membership hasn't been approved yet, but I can't find the "thanks" button?

[TrafficMystic]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Terry,

So many of the things that you are saying in this thread about keyword research etc is SO dead on...I'm diggin it.

Let me know when you get your WSO ready, if you need someone to review it and give a testimonial if it is warranted, let me know.

I totally agree on this.. I usually get the numbers and check competition within MS for domain age / dmoz etc.. before trying a niche.. whereas most people don't seem to do enough research in this area and end up wasting time creating sites for niches that are far too competitive...

[marlon]

Hi,

I also loved the thread John did about his Adsense work. That thread and this one have to be the 2 best Warrior Threads this year....

I don't even like seo because I don't have the patience or attention to detail for it. But this is a GREAT thread and your research is absolutely fascinating.

In fact, I believe this is maybe the best thread I've seen on a forum. I don't go to IM forums a lot....BUT from what I've seen, you really have done a great job here.

Congratulations on a marvelous contribution to the IM body of knowledge.

Marlon