Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

islander1 · 10-14-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

IMHO, the 'method' of judging competition by using "in quotes" figures needs to be discarded firstly.

That would be like judging the strength of competition of a horse race, boxing tournament or yachting regatta simply by the number of competitors.

What matters is the QUALITY of the competition NOT the number. If you only had ten competing sites and they were all 10 year old authority sites with thousands of backlinks to the page/s you are trying to beat, forget about it.

As you have hopefully read by now, that Article 1 in this experiment took 150 backlinks and 4 weeks to get a decent ranking and sale.

Backlinking is a real 'tipping point' activity in my experience - a site can be doing nothing for months sometimes, despite constant backlinking, then one day, it soars. My gaspressurewasherhq.com site previously mentioned was exactly like that.

The trick Paul is to keep at it with a bunch of GoArticles (30 is way too many, try under 10 to focus on at first) and eventually some/many will get to the top - IF you haven't picked fights with very tough opponents! Plus, make sure the keyword is in your title (preferably at the start) and throw an aff link in at the top of the article as per the pic above.

With my WSO, I'll let other Warriors reviews of it on my WSO thread speak for its quality.

Hi Terry,

Thanks so much for answering my questions and for this thread. This is EXACTLY the guidance I needed for what I am trying to accomplish.

Just an update-most of my 30 articles are indexed now and I have an additional 20 online. Your advice makes sense though-I guess I bit off a little more than I could chew.

I will take my first 10 articles and try your method of adding 50 backlinks a week to each until I reach the top. Then I will move on to another set of 10.

FYI-I neglected to mention in my question that I did look at the top 10 in each keyword for strength of competition, but I mainly just looked for what kind of domains occupy the top 10-all my keywords had at least 1 or 2 other GO Articles, a Yahoo Answer, Squidoo lens, or some similar domain.

What I didn't do (cause I don't know how) is find out how many backlinks each of my competitors have and the quality of their backlinks. Do you know of a quick and easy way to do this kind of research?

Thanks again, this thread is awesome!

cmo140 · 10-14-2009, 07:50 PM

I am new to this and for the last week I have been spending two hours a day reading up on this. My two questions are You talked about Angela , PJ and yourself in WSO . Where do I find what that means and also you talk about Goarticles and making $100 a day off them. What do you mean by that?

islander1 · 10-15-2009, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmo140

I am new to this and for the last week I have been spending two hours a day reading up on this. My two questions are You talked about Angela , PJ and yourself in WSO . Where do I find what that means and also you talk about Goarticles and making $100 a day off them. What do you mean by that?

Hi cmo140,

Let me take a shot at answering your questions.

First, the WSOs (Warrior Special Offers) he's talking about are backlink packages sold by Angela, Paul and Terry. Here are links to all 3 threads so you can read up on them:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...of-inside.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

Second, the idea of making $100 a day from GO Articles is to write and submit articles to goarticles.com (you must sign up first) in niches where there's some desperation like say "get your ex back" for example.

Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

The main thing I'm learning as a newbie like yourself is that the process can be frustrating-especially if you haven't proven to yourself yet that you can earn a consistent income with this method. Doubt creeps in and you sometimes feel like the whole thing's not worth it.

So, it is important to be persistent with ONE method and not jump from one thing to another. If this is the method you choose, just keep at it until you see consistent income and try your best to avoid distractions. Seems to me this is the real key to success in this business.

jazbo · 10-15-2009, 06:13 AM

Terry - FYI on "relevant " links this is what Rand Fishkin of authority SEO site seomoz,org has stated in their blog recently:

"To be totally honest, I don't think the content relationship (relevancy) or matching subject matter has much of an impact in the algo right now. Off-topic links, so long as they're from powerful, trustworthy sources, seem to help just as much as those with topical matches.

It may seem weird, but I know I'm far from the only SEO to have observed this phenomenon."

So the message is blatantly - sod relevancy - build links!

marlon · 10-15-2009, 07:47 AM

Hi Terry,

I really like your research-based approach.

1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

Say links from common web 2.0 sites, vs links you pick up from Go Articles and Ezine Articles, vs. links from the community profiles, vs. links for .edu and .gov profies, vs. forums, vs bookmarking vs. blog comments vs. whatever else?

I see a lot of opinions. But I don't know of any actual research.

Best wishes,

Marlon

Terry Kyle · 10-16-2009, 07:01 AM

Thank you for all the positive feedback above.

OK, sites are jumping around as new links are added, no additional sales on Article 1 (it's bouncing around between Page 1 and 2 at the moment so click-throughs are down).

Let's look at some questions and statements and another popular SEO belief:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazbo

Terry - FYI on "relevant " links this is what Rand Fishkin of authority SEO site seomoz,org has stated in their blog recently:

"To be totally honest, I don't think the content relationship (relevancy) or matching subject matter has much of an impact in the algo right now. Off-topic links, so long as they're from powerful, trustworthy sources, seem to help just as much as those with topical matches.

It may seem weird, but I know I'm far from the only SEO to have observed this phenomenon."

So the message is blatantly - sod relevancy - build links!

In practice Jazbo, that looks to be absolutely right and that's what we should all be doing: testing and looking for proof (more on that below). If relevant links were what really mattered to Google, then Article 1 shouldn't be outperforming the other sites (so far) but it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marlon

Hi Terry,

I really like your research-based approach.

1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

Say links from common web 2.0 sites, vs links you pick up from Go Articles and Ezine Articles, vs. links from the community profiles, vs. links for .edu and .gov profies, vs. forums, vs bookmarking vs. blog comments vs. whatever else?

I see a lot of opinions. But I don't know of any actual research.

Best wishes,

Marlon

Hiya Marlon,

Thanks for joining in.

1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases?

Unless a particular article goes crazily viral, it's hard to see wider publishing of your article building enough backlinks fast enough to give you some 'SERP juice'. What I particularly don't like about that method is that it relies on the actions of others to give your site power - it may happen, it may not. Instead of hoping that other webmasters will pick up one of my articles (which of course is a nice bonus if they do), I'd rather implement my own aggressive linkbuilding campaign.

Let me give you further evidence of what I mean.

In the revised version of my WSO due out in a week or so, I'm going to detail the exact method that big SEO houses use to aggressively go after super competitive search terms with millions of anchor text backlinks each year. Yes, I did say millions. Though it has a risky element to it in terms of getting slapped by Google, this free system has put a lot of sites at the top of Google for ultra competitive terms.

In those cases, the SEO agencies and companies didn't wait around for their articles to (hopefully) go viral. They took their web destiny into their own hands. A viral article or two CAN be enormously powerful BUT it's probably a much more random and unpredictable outcome.

To be honest, I haven't done much with press releases - I think Warrior Big Mike has a mass press release submitter - but I have seen mine rank well for a little while on their own but without backlinking, those pages soon sink off the SERPs. Also, I don't recall (I could be wrong) ever seeing a press release at #1 on Google for a particular search term.

2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end?

Hope I covered that above.

3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content?

Part 1 - no.

Part 2 - duplicate content is something I am desperate to properly test and haven't so far because my IM models didn't depend on this issue. I haven't worked out my position on dupe content yet (from my own testing) but it IS on my very long 2010 'to do list'.

However, I do feel quite strongly about IP Diversity e.g.

In my experience, loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick. If in doubt, run this quick experiment: if you have a decent post count on Warrior Forum (e.g. in the hundreds), note the rank of one of your sites.

Now add an anchor text link to that site from your Warrior Forum signature (one that wasn't there before of course). That should now be giving that site hundreds of extra links from all of your past posts across the archives etc of WF. I'll bet that there's hardly any (or no) upward movement.

Watch it for a week or so and see what happens. It does seem that links from the same site (regardless of how many) basically add up to one 'vote' backlinking-wise.

I may have gone off topic there!

4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links.

I don't unfortunately. It would have saved me a lot of work Marlon!

OK let's tackle another BIG SEO theory.

This is the one where you should make sure that your keyword phrase is in your domain name. You hear it everywhere but does it stand up to scrutiny on Google? Sometimes beliefs become self-perpetuating 'truths' regardless of the 'facts' (such as the fallacy of searching for the number of your competitors by doing a search "in quotes" for example).

Now, I am not attacking anyone personally here, if putting the keyword in the domain works for you (I still do it out of habit!), then great.

But let's look at the top 3 results (the ONLY competition you should be concerned with) for 5 different competitive niches. Will the keyword be important in the domain names of these winners?

Let's see:

#1 does not have 'debt relief' in the domain or page title. #2 does have debt relief in the domain. #3 only has the word 'debt' in the root domain.

#1 does not have the term 'make money online' in the domain but it is in the page title and page file name. #2 has 'money maker' in the blogspot domain and the search term in the title of the blog. #3 does not have 'make money online' in the domain but it is in the page title.

'Reverse phone lookup' does not appear in the domain of any of the top 3 sites and the search phrase does not appear uninterrupted in any of the 3.

Here, 'lose weight fast' is not in the root domain of any of the top 4 sites but is in every page title and sometimes in a subfolder name and page file name.

OK, last one:

'Get rid of acne' does not appear as an uninterrupted string in any of the domain names of the top ranking sites for that term. Again, it is in the page title and page file name.

I really did think of 5 random niches to check and I am sure that I could find some terms where the top sites did contain the exact search term in the domain.

BUT

Is it essential to have your keyword in the domain? I'll let you judge the results for yourself but hopefully it's food for thought!

IMHO, page title, file name and relevant backlinks should be your main focus.

Interesting, huh? Love to hear your thoughts and experiences with keywords-in-domain.

Another reminder: Followers of this thread may be aware that I am tinkering with other backlinking and SEO stuff all the time. You can now FREELY follow those experiments, discoveries and discussions by dropping in here.

Preciseim · 10-16-2009, 07:18 AM

Hi Terry,

IMO it is still worth trying to get your keywords in the domain name...Even if you can't get an exact match at least try and get them in there ...Just me 2 cents

jasonmorgan · 10-16-2009, 07:19 AM

you need a 'buy me a beer' button in your sig. It's the best thread ever.

marlon · 10-16-2009, 08:45 AM

Bro,

Check out product launch formula in google.

Search "traffic secrets".

sales letter generator

I wish I had time to grab some of those awesome screen caps like you are doing. What I see is LONG TAIL keywords seem to do very well when you register the domain.

But maybe if you had the keyword in the filename and did a little linking it would be all the same. I DO see the exact domain a lot in slow and mid range searches in the number 1 spot.

Probably mostly low range.

IP DIVERSITY

Look at the backlinks on your BIG sites that get ranked high. They almost always do a sitewide buy of an ad on a high pr domain for the inbound links.

You DO see these links when you do a backlinkwatch search.

Why they do this I'm not sure. And does it really help. I'm not sure. But I read this and it seems to be true that the big authority sites buy a sitewide ad buy on other big authority sites.

But I haven't done anything remotely resembling the research you're doing.

DIRECTORY SUBMISSIONS?

What about plain ol' directory submissions and believe it or not submitting to 1000+ search engines like the OLD days? That gives you an ip diversity of inbound links, right?

Marlon

Sowemimo Oladele · 10-16-2009, 10:18 AM

Terry,

With all what you are working on, you still find time to screenshot and paste them in warrior forum.

You are really doing a great job....Thanks man

JDCopper · 10-16-2009, 10:41 AM

Terry,
For whatever it is worth, I remember way back in the day before everyone started repeating the same things over and over again (and not always getting them right) that the reason you put your keywords in your domain name was that people have a tendency to link to websites via their name instead of the key words that you hope they would use.

Thus, a guy linking to preventacnenow.com would unintentionally be linking to your site with the right keywords whereas the same guy linking to doverskinsolutions.com would not. Because of that Google would rank a site with the keywords in the domain name higher.

Over time, as people re-wrote what they read somewhere else without completely understanding it, it morphed into Google ranks sites with keywords in their domain names higher.

I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.

BTW, amazing thread. I start down this path all the time (not publicly) but never end up finding the time to finish it out, so kudos and thanks. Absolutely outstanding idea. (Not to mention shrewd. I'm pretty new here, but I imagine your rep is soaring around here right now. There's nothing quite like PROVING that you know what you are talking about.)

mikkosant · 10-16-2009, 05:04 PM

Hey terry, great thread I can't wait to see how sb101 turns out. Maybe free traffic system too?

Anyway, since you have mentioned the reverse cell niche before, you may be aware of this article.

http://www.g oarti cles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2036995
sorry don't want them getting a backlink...

If you type reverse cell phone lookup in google, you will see this goarticle ranking at position 4 or 5. Now, this article was ripped directly off the reversephonedetective's affiliate tools section. It has no real backlinks. Just some strange myspace web search ones. Of course, everyone knows about the other 2 ezinearticles in this niche making a killing, but this guy is using dupe content with no real backlinks and has been ranking halfway down page one for over 10 days. Fresh articles do usually stay at the top of results for a short while and quickly fade away, but in this niche, fresh articles don't get on page 1 without backlinks or so it seems. Usually, new articles stick on page 2-5 for a couple weeks and then die off. Anyway, just looking at what you think this guy could have done. It just doesn't make any sense.
He's probobly making atleast $50/day with that ranking.

Welcome To The SEO Conundrum...

Thanks for this detailed experiment BTW.

4morereferrals · 10-16-2009, 11:19 PM

Dont confuse same site/domain name/url with IP's

Your example proves domain diversity - not IP diversity [ IMHO ]

Big Difference, especially in the efficacy and value of the backlinks.

Much respect and props Terry - this is a tremendous resource thread.

To your success,

Steve

Quote:

In my experience, loads of links from the same IP address just don't give much kick. If in doubt, run this quick experiment: if you have a decent post count on Warrior Forum (e.g. in the hundreds), note the rank of one of your sites.

Now add an anchor text link to that site from your Warrior Forum signature (one that wasn't there before of course). That should now be giving that site hundreds of extra links from all of your past posts across the archives etc of WF. I'll bet that there's hardly any (or no) upward movement.

Watch it for a week or so and see what happens. It does seem that links from the same site (regardless of how many) basically add up to one 'vote' backlinking-wise.

Mario Brown · 10-16-2009, 11:45 PM

Just stumbled over this thread and all I can say is WOW, great information! Going to let my subscribers know about this. It's perfect timing.

Thanks for this great experiment, very refreshing thread. Going to follow closely.

marlon · 10-17-2009, 10:36 AM

Hi,

Check out:

internet marketing secrets

Michael Campbell is #1 with internetmarketingsecrets.com.

He is #5 or 6 with the term internet marketing strategy using
internetmarketingstrategy.com.

Look at:

fat loss secrets

thefatlosssecret.com is #1 two and the #1 ranking has keywords also.

search: "burn the fat"

burnthefat.com is #1

burnthefatblog is #2

search: "guitar secrets"

guitarsecrets.com is #1

skateboard secrets

search: "photoshop secrets"

photoshopsecret.com is #1

What I read in the past was that the domain name had a 20% or 30% weight in the Google Algo. James Brausch published that once I believe based on his research of high ranking domains.

Still, I have no idea the difference between the keywords in the domain vs. just in the file name.

Marlon

7_8_shortcuts · 10-17-2009, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islander1

Hi cmo140,

Each of these articles should have a link to the merchant sales page for the product you are promoting. As this thread suggests (and I didn't realize till reading it), it's good to put one link to the merchant BEFORE the actual article itself.

Then, you take the backlinks from Angela, PJ, Terry or a combination of the 3 and build backlinks to your GO Articles. These links are from page rank 4 to 9 so they are good quality and enough of them (this depends on keyword and strength of competition but generally 150 to 300 links) should put your GO article to the first page of Google, where your traffic will increase substantially. Repeat this process until your income reaches $100/day.

Exactly

Totally agree.

Key is to stick with one method and work it

because

Many things actually WORK in internet marketing... but they work only when they are applied consistently.

HOWEVER

What I never liked about a business model where you publish articles on other people's sites and then build BACKLINKS to them... you are basically building another people's business (e.g. GoArticles)!

It makes much more sense to me to build links to my own sites and have some assets, instead of promoting some other site.

Sure

(some) backlinking to articles makes a lot of sense and can help

but I wouldn't spend all my efforts there as a business-model per se.

magnusmora · 10-18-2009, 01:53 PM

I see what you are saying about giving away backlinks to the likes of goarticles. However, What about splitting your links in your articles. One could go to an affiliate redirect and the other to your own domain.

Infact on goarticles, you could have a link at the top, one at the bottom and another in your resource box. You could aim one of these links to your own domain.

That way if you build links to the articles not only are they moving up in the search rankings, but so is your own domain getting some of the link juice.

Terry - Whats your view on this?

Cheers

Terry Kyle · 10-18-2009, 07:52 PM

Quick base touch while kicking back on the weekend:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcbradley

Hey Terry,

Great stuff, just found you tonight thanks to Steve hawkins new tool and saw his recommendation for your packets and love your other thread you have going on, too.. needless to say..you took me away from some valuable work time , haha, i needed a break...anyways..

are you doing anything to get the pages you put your links on to get indexed? that seems to be one of the biggest issues.

from a small experiement i did a few months ago, i had 240 links from one of the backlink packets and had one of my workers go through each one and find out which are indexed or not.. and only 80 --1/3 of the 240 has in fact been indexed and i had great results with it, too. i got #1 for a competitive kw where i was stuck at #7. i also used 3 links per site and after i got #1 on my main term, i started going after a few other terms.

i wanted to see what would happen if i could get the rest of these pages indexed so i went out and got a bunch of PLR articles rewritten and then spun and submitted to free traffic and my article network..

the results, i got up to around 190 pages to get indexed and rankings went through the roof, one of my kws stuck at #20 was #1 and held there for a long time till i ignored it for too long.

i found firing links at where we have links not can help with indexing but also throws some link juice at it and keeps it from getting deindexed.

ive had blogger and wordpress blogs no longer in the index after a few months of just sitting there and when i started to throw links at them, they are back indexed.

curious to know if you do anything like this.

i also have spot checked a few sites that are part of senuke list that i have used before senuke and went back and see if they were indexed still and i have found out some of these are no longer indexed, some are but some arent. that leads me to continually add content to them and fire links over there, too.

like to know what you think of this strategy

thanks,

chris

I've asked Chris to share more about his approach here.

In fact, in the next couple of days I'm going to add another GoArticle in the niche and use FTS to gauge its effectiveness.

I probably need counselling for my SEO experiment addiction!

If that doesn't seem fair, I'll continue reporting results after the 'official' deadline of this experiment and thread. I have a feeling that this thread could be around for a while. Let's hope my girlfriend is still nice to me by the time it ends - if it ever does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preciseim

Hi Terry,

IMO it is still worth trying to get your keywords in the domain name...Even if you can't get an exact match at least try and get them in there ...Just me 2 cents

Yep, I still do it anyway in the absence of calling it anything else...

Quote:

Originally Posted by marlon

Hi,

Check out:

internet marketing secrets

Michael Campbell is #1 with internetmarketingsecrets.com.

He is #5 or 6 with the term internet marketing strategy using
internetmarketingstrategy.com.

Look at:

fat loss secrets

thefatlosssecret.com is #1 two and the #1 ranking has keywords also.

search: "burn the fat"

burnthefat.com is #1

burnthefatblog is #2

search: "guitar secrets"

guitarsecrets.com is #1

skateboard secrets

search: "photoshop secrets"

photoshopsecret.com is #1

What I read in the past was that the domain name had a 20% or 30% weight in the Google Algo. James Brausch published that once I believe based on his research of high ranking domains.

Still, I have no idea the difference between the keywords in the domain vs. just in the file name.

Marlon

That's it Marlon. There's plenty of evidence to support AND contradict the importance of keywords-as-domain-name.

Ultimately, you have to call your domain something so it may as well be the keywords I guess. It does show for experimental pages in a new niche, you can just a hang a page of an existing website and try it out rather than buying and hosting yet another site. Or does it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by marlon

Bro,

Check out product launch formula in google.

Search "traffic secrets".

sales letter generator

I wish I had time to grab some of those awesome screen caps like you are doing. What I see is LONG TAIL keywords seem to do very well when you register the domain.

But maybe if you had the keyword in the filename and did a little linking it would be all the same. I DO see the exact domain a lot in slow and mid range searches in the number 1 spot.

Probably mostly low range.

IP DIVERSITY

Look at the backlinks on your BIG sites that get ranked high. They almost always do a sitewide buy of an ad on a high pr domain for the inbound links.

You DO see these links when you do a backlinkwatch search.

Why they do this I'm not sure. And does it really help. I'm not sure. But I read this and it seems to be true that the big authority sites buy a sitewide ad buy on other big authority sites.

But I haven't done anything remotely resembling the research you're doing.

DIRECTORY SUBMISSIONS?

What about plain ol' directory submissions and believe it or not submitting to 1000+ search engines like the OLD days? That gives you an ip diversity of inbound links, right?

Marlon

Keyword-in-domain?
See my response elsewhere in this post...

Sitewide links? Yep I see this in YSE and BLW too but every single time I've had a lot of links from one site, I've failed to see much of a SERP bump from it. Watch out for the free update of my WSO Marlon where I go into mega-backlink building strategies. They CAN be risky but the rewards can also be spectacular.

Directory submissions? Watch Matt Cutts' embedded video below. In short, Google isn't very keen on them (he'll explain it).

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDCopper

Terry,
For whatever it is worth, I remember way back in the day before everyone started repeating the same things over and over again (and not always getting them right) that the reason you put your keywords in your domain name was that people have a tendency to link to websites via their name instead of the key words that you hope they would use.

Thus, a guy linking to preventacnenow.com would unintentionally be linking to your site with the right keywords whereas the same guy linking to doverskinsolutions.com would not. Because of that Google would rank a site with the keywords in the domain name higher.

Over time, as people re-wrote what they read somewhere else without completely understanding it, it morphed into Google ranks sites with keywords in their domain names higher.

I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.

BTW, amazing thread. I start down this path all the time (not publicly) but never end up finding the time to finish it out, so kudos and thanks. Absolutely outstanding idea. (Not to mention shrewd. I'm pretty new here, but I imagine your rep is soaring around here right now. There's nothing quite like PROVING that you know what you are talking about.)

Well said JD. Also now there have never been more (free) tools to analyse competitors' sites and deconstruct them so testing all of these beliefs has probably never been faster.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkosant

Hey terry, great thread I can't wait to see how sb101 turns out. Maybe free traffic system too?

Anyway, since you have mentioned the reverse cell niche before, you may be aware of this article.

http://www.g oarti cles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2036995
sorry don't want them getting a backlink...

If you type reverse cell phone lookup in google, you will see this goarticle ranking at position 4 or 5. Now, this article was ripped directly off the reversephonedetective's affiliate tools section. It has no real backlinks. Just some strange myspace web search ones. Of course, everyone knows about the other 2 ezinearticles in this niche making a killing, but this guy is using dupe content with no real backlinks and has been ranking halfway down page one for over 10 days. Fresh articles do usually stay at the top of results for a short while and quickly fade away, but in this niche, fresh articles don't get on page 1 without backlinks or so it seems. Usually, new articles stick on page 2-5 for a couple weeks and then die off. Anyway, just looking at what you think this guy could have done. It just doesn't make any sense.
He's probobly making atleast $50/day with that ranking.

Welcome To The SEO Conundrum...

Thanks for this detailed experiment BTW.

Yep MS, weird. I've actually looked closely at some of those EZA guy's 17000+ backlinks (if it's the one I'm thinking of) and a LOT seem to be from the same sites. One of my 2010 new year's resolutions along with getting better at playing guitar is to knock that guy off in the reverse phone lookup niche (on some other keywords).

It is weird though the anomaly you mentioned, one of many in SEO!

See above re: FTS!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Dont confuse same site/domain name/url with IP's

Your example proves domain diversity - not IP diversity [ IMHO ]

Big Difference, especially in the efficacy and value of the backlinks.

Much respect and props Terry - this is a tremendous resource thread.

To your success,

Steve

Hi Steve,

Glad you're here and sharing! Hopefully I did make it clear that I was talking about keywords-in-domain and IP diversity as 2 completely separate things!

Incidentally I DO recommend Steve's links WSO here because I believe that over-reliance on any one resource can be risky. If PJ and Angela were out of the game tomorrow, it would be inconvenient.

I also have an aff link to Steve's resource in my WSO report so I must believe in it!

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Originally Posted by yellowboy

Just stumbled over this thread and all I can say is WOW, great information! Going to let my subscribers know about this. It's perfect timing.

Thanks for this great experiment, very refreshing thread. Going to follow closely.

Thank you Mario. Nice work.

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Originally Posted by magnusmora

I see what you are saying about giving away backlinks to the likes of goarticles. However, What about splitting your links in your articles. One could go to an affiliate redirect and the other to your own domain.

Infact on goarticles, you could have a link at the top, one at the bottom and another in your resource box. You could aim one of these links to your own domain.

That way if you build links to the articles not only are they moving up in the search rankings, but so is your own domain getting some of the link juice.

Terry - Whats your view on this?

Cheers

True MM. I could do that and anyone trying GA probably should do that. In a way, this experiment is slightly artificial for testing purposes but that is very good advice.

If GA change their rules tomorrow or re-introduce those stupid bubble/text ads they trialled a while back (which murdered clickthroughs!), pretty much all backlinking effort would be lost UNLESS you were ALSO using it to add some juice to your own site.

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Originally Posted by RichIsSweet

Exactly

Totally agree.

Key is to stick with one method and work it

because

Many things actually WORK in internet marketing... but they work only when they are applied consistently.

HOWEVER

What I never liked about a business model where you publish articles on other people's sites and then build BACKLINKS to them... you are basically building another people's business (e.g. GoArticles)!

It makes much more sense to me to build links to my own sites and have some assets, instead of promoting some other site.

Sure

(some) backlinking to articles makes a lot of sense and can help

but I wouldn't spend all my efforts there as a business-model per se.

Agreed. When GA ran that bubble ad experiment for a couple of weeks a few months ago, my income from there virtually disappeared.

Dean Shainin, the 'bum marketing' EZA guy also talks about how for a long time, he submitted ALL of his articles there through ONE account. Then one day, EZA had a hissy fit about one of his articles and disabled ALL of his articles. Instantly all of his backlinking and income were flushed away and (from memory) he never got them re-enabled.

On GA, I have a ceiling of 10 articles per alias account for that reason.

Another GA option I mentioned in an earlier post is to only have links in your GA to a list-building AWeber page so that you keep the list and try to drive YOUR list to SEVERAL CB vendors in relevant niche/s.

I don't think any business model should be too reliant on one resource (e.g. my IM income comes from a combination of Amazon as a publisher AND Associate, CB, PDC, CJ and PayPal and I use 3 different outsourcers at the moment). That spreads the risk or vulnerability around.

Once you have a GA ranking well, you can make money from it in so many ways (that are harder than with an EZA article): CPA offers, Amazon Associates (especially around Christmas when conversions can hit 30%!), ClickBank, your own info product etc. Like a popular YT video, you can also always sell a profitable GA on Flippa.com or here on Warrior Forum.

Consistency in action and results is everything as you rightly say.

OK, now I want to cover a couple of problems that I have encountered on this journey as they might help save you time and frustration:

[1] If you are targeting backlinks sites RELEVANT to your niche, make sure that there are actually enough of them to create a decent backlink blitz and that they have PR. If your chosen niche is slightly off-centre (or pretty obscure like 'baby ear thermometers'), you could struggle to keep finding quality places to leave your links. I know I have for Article 2 and it has used up more time than I would have liked!

[2] With SENuke, which I am pretty green on, there are all these different conflicting strategies and theories for how it should be used - even on the SENuke forum itself. That has been, unsurprisingly, a bit of an immobilising experience.

However, my strategy now is to post a couple of short 100-200 word spun mini-articles to about 28-30 Web 2.0 sites once or twice a day until the end of the experiment.

Each mini-article will have 3 links (2 maximum for hubpages): one to GoArticle 3, one to the CB vendor with a 3OW tracking code (OW for Outer Wheel) and one to one of my inner circle of 'spoke sites'. According to Tom and Lemonarium, these inner circle sites should NOT be connected to each other so I'm going with that for now.

I know from Google Alerts (one of my favourite tools) that Google picks up these new postings very quickly.

In theory, that should give me 30-60 new backlinks a day and power my inner circle sites which in turn add power to the money site (this is sometimes referred to as a 'Pumper Site' strategy in SEO circles).

However, these backlinks will be coming from the same 28-30 Web 2.0 sites so let's see.

In a way, you could possibly look at SENuke as 'just' a big backlink builder.

So why not use it instead of say, Steve Hawkins excellent program (non-aff link, BTW)?

Probably the main reason is cost. SENuke is $127 a month (Pro version) and Steve's program is a one-off $37!

I feel I haven't given SEN a fair go yet so am determined to do so from here on in.

Also, I came across these Matt Cutts' (Google) videos on the excellent Google Webmasters' section of YouTube that I thought were interesting (especially if you can read between the lines!):

YouTube - Wonder wheel

YouTube - How can new pages get indexed quickly?

YouTube - What types of directories are seen as...

Thanks for all the support and sorry if my response to PMs (I get a LOT of 'em) is slow - I'm working on it!

HopeBiz · 10-18-2009, 08:19 PM

Discovered your Experiment from a post by Marlon Sanders, thank you Marlon. This is one of those 'slap your forehead' moments in that nobody has attempted this before, to my knowledge. This is an incredible undertaking, one that should be required reading by anyone contemplating starting a monetized web site. My head is spinning from all the facts, figures, terminology, case studies, software programs, statistics, reference sites, logs, web alphabet lingo, individuals sited and lauded, whew.........
Terry, THANK YOU for your incredible amount of documentation and dedication in creating an almost 'definitive' body of work on the actual inner workings of Internet Marketing.
Can't wait for the final results.........

nota-bene · 10-19-2009, 05:22 AM

Terry.

You, Sir, are a legend! I wanted to join the ever increasing number of people on this thread, and thank you for what is, without doubt, a fabulous insight to backlinking. I seriuosly can't thank you enough for the time you are spending on this, and for the level of detail in which you share your findings. I also second the motion for a 'buy me a beer' option, as you are deserving of many a pint!

Keep up the great work!

imlogic · 10-19-2009, 09:49 AM

This is more of a "backlink strategies for Go Articles" test more than anything else...

I wish you would have used brand new wp blogs for each test. GoArticles already has authority so what may work for a GoArticle may not work for a brand new site.

For instance: "relevant links" may not be needed as much as say on a new site because GA already has tons of trust and authority and if they say this page is about "x" then its pretty much about "x" and Google usually "agrees" and needs less "confirmation".

The "property" has to be the same in each test otherwise the backlink findings CANNOT be definitive for more than GoArticle type authority sites.

Hereandthere · 10-19-2009, 01:03 PM

I've just come across this thread and read it all from start to finish. I'm so glad you have taken the advice given early on NOT to disclose your niche yet. In my mind, that makes the tests far more valuable.

LilBlackDress · 10-19-2009, 03:40 PM

Excellent thread Terry, will look for your WSO - when will that be ready?

A couple questions to make sure I am clear.

When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?
I thought feeds were for a number of articles.

Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?

Thank you!

Terry Kyle · 10-20-2009, 07:10 PM

OK, things are pretty busy now - understandably - but wanted to update and answer a few questions.

Firstly, from a PM to me:

1. Firstly i wanted to know if you can achieve 1st page results for terms that say have a soc of 10 and below using the type of link building you talk about in your ebook. I know that things are unpredictable but i am talking about your experience, does it happen often or do you need to do other link building.

Not sure which program you are using to gauge SOC - Micro Niche Finder, Keyword Elite etc. However, make sure that any SOC calculation takes backlinks into account. At the moment, I don't believe that MNF does that but I'm pretty sure that KE does. You can also use SEO Quake and SEO for Firefox to dig into competition too. Look at links to the specific page you are trying to beat and remember that Google ranks pages not sites e.g.

no matter how much authority or backlinks with completely different anchor text Wikipedia's page on chimpanzees is, it will never rank for a golf club search. That might sound obvious but I mean DON'T assume that because an about.com site page is at #1 for a niche you want to go after and you see that the WHOLE about.com site has 400,000 backlinks, look closer and see how many backlinks are going to the SPECIFIC page you have to beat.

If you are serious about getting to #1 on Google, your only real competition is the ONE site currently there - forget all about that search "in quotes" stuff.

Develop you OWN 'SOC' criteria - look at site age (more on that below with my experiment articles), page backlinks, .edu page backlinks, .gov backlinks, backlink IP diversity and anchor text targeted.

How?

SEO for Firefox: site age, page backlinks, .edu page backlinks, .gov backlinks

Backlinkwatch.com: backlink IP diversity (or at least links on same domain) competitor anchor text

2. Can you please give me an example of one of your sites (not go article) where you only use the profile link building, where you are on page one, please tell me how many profile links you did in order to get there.

Sure.

Amazon.com: Small Business Ideas: 400 Latest &... (targeting 'small business ideas').

According to Yahoo Site Explorer, it has roughly 1300 backlinks - reported! More like over 2000 though. If that isn't a goldmine of backlink sites I just handed you, I don't know what is!

That is a slightly competitive term and you probably won't need that volume for Page 1 - it all depends on your competition.

I just want to analyze the soc and so on in order to see how effective the profile links really are.

Knock yourself out bro!

3. Also i would like your opinion on xfactors ADSENSE course if you know about it? Its basically to look for ultra low competition niches- make a 5 page website (must be about products) - then write about 2 ezine articles for each page so that you can get other webmasters to publish your article and therefore your link.( this should give IP diversity right?) - You need to make about 50 of these and you should be above $100 per day minimum.

I don't know that AdSense course but I'm sure there are reviews of it over in the Product Reviews sub-forum of WF.

5. Do YOU think this is a decent plan that has potential to work, especially if i add say 2 profile links per page on the sites.

If it fits with XFactor's methodology and that process is proving effective. I say more about backlink volume below.

6. Is internet marketing your full time job - i basically want to know if what methods you use has the potential to give someone else a full time wage.

Yes and yes. Though I plan to get really good at guitar, form a band next year and knock off Coldplay as the world's biggest band!

I would respect your opinions - i am very comitted to making a full time living from internet marketing, i also live in uk actually ( london) not that its relevant :-)

Glad to help. You definitely CAN make a fulltime living in IM but try to make the financial transition a gradual one from your J-O-B. Overnight success is pretty unlikely BUT if you invest the time in your 'IM degree', you should eventually start honing the specific skillset and translating that into money. Don't forget too that there are loads of different ways to make money in IM so try to find ways that are a natural fit for your personality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by imlogic

This is more of a "backlink strategies for Go Articles" test more than anything else...

I wish you would have used brand new wp blogs for each test. GoArticles already has authority so what may work for a GoArticle may not work for a brand new site.

For instance: "relevant links" may not be needed as much as say on a new site because GA already has tons of trust and authority and if they say this page is about "x" then its pretty much about "x" and Google usually "agrees" and needs less "confirmation".

The "property" has to be the same in each test otherwise the backlink findings CANNOT be definitive for more than GoArticle type authority sites.

Hi IML,

That's a valid point though I do have one WP blog in the first 4 tests and one in my other 'secret 4'. More will be revealed on that soon.

This experiment is one of many possibly configurations and I heartily encourage you or other Warriors to run an experiment here which I would love to follow based on a bunch of WP blogs.

Interestingly, that GA authority isn't helping Article 2 with its relevant backlinks at the moment - it's coming last so far!

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilBlackDress

Excellent thread Terry, will look for your WSO - when will that be ready?

A couple questions to make sure I am clear.

When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?
I thought feeds were for a number of articles.

Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?

Thank you!

When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing?

More like posting a profile link to an acne product on Billboard.com's social community (for music discussions).

Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software?

You can definitely do it manually and/or RSSBot but the time and labour involved may make you suicidal after a week!

Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible?

Interesting! I've never tried to do that but I will try to put links to EZA from one of my GoArticles this week. I'll post the results here.

Let me also add that in the past I have used mass article directory submission very aggressively. The actual mass submission program was amazing and efficient BUT I never found much of a rankings bump from it.

What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles?

Yep you can use the service here to create an RSS feed from any page on the web (mentioned in an earlier post). Make sure you validate your feed here too so that it will work.

I thought feeds were for a number of articles.

Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones?

In my last post, Matt Cutts from Google talks about their attitude to directories (they don't like a lot of them). If you're committed to this approach, try the $299 option - subject to editorial approval - to the Yahoo Directory.

Love to hear if other Warriors have had success with the $299 yahoo Directory listing?

Next Issue - Backlink Volume In Your Competitors' Sites vs Yours?

Now when checking out potential competitors, it's very easy to get carried away with the vulnerability of some niches because they have hardly any or 0 REPORTED backlinks.

We see hardly any backlinks in some top 5/top 3/#1 sites in a niche and all the party lights go on and we jump in. Now of course a lack of REPORTED backlinks is great BUT isn't just a mathematical race.

For example, Article 1 in this experiment now has 250 decent backlinks. It has been as high as #4 on Page 1 but is presently sitting low down on Page 2 for its term.

That of course affects our business model because traffic is not going through our hoplinks at the same rate as when we were high up on Page 1 (and made that sale) e.g.

Now on a purely mathematical level, there are presently articles from Buzzle and EZA with either very few reported backlinks or 0 above my 250-backlink article.

Huh?

Now if backlinking or SEO was a purely mathematical backlinks 'arms race', the moment I had one more equivalent PR backlink than the site above me, my site would immediately jump above them.

But that just doesn't happen!

Instead, my theory is this. (Everyone's got one!)

Google (via Matt Cutts etc etc) is always yabbering on about 'authority sites' (which they adore).

And a genuine, real, true, authentic authority site only gains real, authentic authority over time (it kind of mimics the 'real world' in that sense). Not necessarily years but time.

The halo of authority is NOT established by suddenly having 9000 links (of course there are exceptions to this rule as TMZ proved in the MJ case).

And all we are really doing with backlinking is SIMULATING authority.

Yes Google loves fresh content but often that content disappears down the SERPs pretty quickly (Digg, for example).

That's why patience is SO important while - through backlinking - we build or simulate the halo of authority through widely diverse backlinks.

Sometimes this happens quickly, a lot of the time it doesn't.

In a way, this is an experiment in using 4 different methods of simulating the halo of authority in order to rank.

For Test 4 - the WP blog powered by SB101 is at #26 on the Live search network but still failing to gain traction with Google.

So in this process of backlinking - simulating authority - we need to adjust our expectations so that we can ride out the 'tipping point' on the backlinking journey.

The tipping point is the stage in backlinking when SERP rankings start moving up massively, sometimes tens or even hundreds of places. Nothing happens for a while and you might feel bored, frustrated and like giving up.

BUT DON'T!

In the recent past, I have had over 40 different sites on Page 1 of Google for their desired search terms and they ALL had one thing in common: their rates of progression all varied widely!

They ALL took a different timeframe to build their simulated halo of authority.

I have less than that on Page 1 now as I'm focusing on a smaller number of sites (at last - says my my saintly-patient girlfriend).

At the moment, our 4 test sites (and the secret ones) are still building their authority status. In a way, that seems almost unrelated to the actual volume of backlinks (especially compared to higher competitors) but eventually that WILL even out, the authority status will be established through time and CONTINUOUS backlinking and we will get high search engine rankings.

Hope all that yabbering on helps and feel free to keep firing questions (if I've missed yours, please put it in again) and don't forget that "Thanks" button on the bottom right - if you haven't already!

LoanShark · 10-20-2009, 08:09 PM

Wonderful post Terry! I guess I will jump on for the journey as well!

Terry Kyle · 10-21-2009, 06:22 AM

This is kinda off-topic but when I originally posted this thread in the main discussion, a mod pushed it over to the 'Mind/Success' sub-forum and not many Warriors got to benefit from it so I'm reposting it here:

How I Got Stephen "7 Habits" Covey To Endorse My Book For $10 ('Sales' Letter Included)

Here is a valuable marketing lesson for fellow Warriors.

A while back, one of my books, "400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World" was released through Amazon on a tiny marketing budget (read virtually ‘zero’).

As a result, getting quality endorsements for the book was critical.

So far, the book has received great endorsements from Duncan Bannatyne (from BBC’s “Dragons’ Den”), the Editor of “Real Business” magazine, David Meerman Scott and, and more recently Stephen R. Covey, Author of The “7 Habits of Highly Effective People” & “The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness”.

Dr Covey has stated for marketing use that my book is "A marvelous resource for anyone looking to start a business—packed with good ideas, including the pros and cons of each concept." I can use this endorsement in all marketing materials, web promotion, on the cover etc

How did I get these endorsements including Dr Covey’s?

Simple. I sent them a copy of the book and a polite letter asking for it.

Total cost: about $10 each.

I almost had the “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” guy on board (with the same letter below) – it didn’t work out and I’ve had a few ‘no's’ (e.g. Richard Branson) on the way but the ‘yes’s’ are marketing gold that money couldn’t buy (these guys are multimillionaires).

The moral of the story is that we should never talk ourselves out of an opportunity without at least trying.

One important tip: Make sure the envelope you send with the letter in is stamped "Personal" or "Confidential" to give it a chance of reaching the inner circle of your target.

Here’s the actual approach letter I used - hope this helps you and PM me if you need further advice on this kind of approach

ATT: Dr Stephen R. Covey
2200 West Parkway Blvd
Salt Lake City, UT 84119

Dear Dr Covey,

RE: POSSIBLE ONE-LINE ENDORSEMENT OF NEW BOOK FOR ENTREPRENEURS

As a long-time fan of your work and the London-based author/editor of the enclosed new entrepreneurial small business title,

Small Business Ideas:
400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World
2008/09 Edition
(ISBN 9780955898907)

I was hoping that you could briefly peruse the enclosed book and consider a one-sentence endorsement of it.

As this unique book encourages entrepreneurship and self-empowerment - much like your own inspiring works - it seems like the kind of publication you might consider endorsing. In a way, this book also celebrates the remarkable brilliance of business and product innovation around the world today and offers the necessary information for entrepreneurs to contact these individuals and organisations.

A one-line endorsement by yourself - if kindly given - would thus be used on Amazon and Barnes & Noble and on future editions of the book. The book has just been released on Amazon.

Your kind recommendation would also be a tremendous help to a fellow entrepreneur, albeit one further down the ‘food chain’ than yourself.

If considered favourably, such an endorsement can be sent through e-mail to me via terrykyleXXX@yahoo.com or by the fax number above.

Sincere thanks in advance for your time Dr Covey and feel free to contact me in Britain on +44-XXXX-XXXX if you have further questions.

Best regards

Terry Kyle

marlon · 10-21-2009, 08:30 AM

Hi,

Seomoz is a trusted source of seo research.

Thought you might like this:

Search Engine Ranking Factors | SEOmoz

They have a pie chart there showing ranking factors. It still doesn't answer
the specific type questions you're testing but as an overall guide, it's good.

Marlon

PS: That's amazing you got an endorsement from Steven Covey. Well done!

Did you print the book with Lightning Source?

jcbradley · 10-21-2009, 08:40 AM

Terry,

Shared this in your other thread so I thought i would post over here...

Dont mind sharing at all. I have 2 different ways I am using Free Traffic - FT and My Article Network - MYAN. Both ways are to get links back to the sites where I have links. The first way is for the backlink packets. What I do here is to take a PLR article on any topic, i get it rewritten twice and spun using magical article rewriter bc it will output the articles with the FT and MYAN codes.

I then link up 1 keyword in the middle of the article and at the end of the article I put.. article by...name..and learn more about him here. I link up name and the click here part. I am not looking to get these pages ranked, I am just wanting to get them indexed and fire a little bit of link juice to these sites. My thinking is by having a few links each month going there way, it will help it not only get indexed but stay indexed. I have seen indexed pages fall out off google index a few months after they been indexed.

Why... my guess is no content being added and no links pointing to it. and it will also keep the cache date fresh. I know Jerry West teaches when you are looking for places to link, always check the cache date and make sure its under 30 days.

Now free traffic allows you to rotate links per keyword. so i will put in anywhere from 3-8 links per keyword. Same thing at my article network. FT allows you to post up to 40 blogs, my article is unlimited but spreadout over a few months. so if i use 8 links per keyword, that means each link will get posted to 5 blogs at FT and probably more at MYAN. each article is allowed 3 links. so thats a total of 24 links per article and i usualy submit the same article to both sites so i am getting 48 links for one article. now i only do this when i have already fired links at these sites. I usually start with 3-5 links per keyword.

Now the 2nd way i use FT and MYAN is i take the article i had written that is keyword focused, then get it rewritten twice and spun again but this time I am using these to go after more specific web 2.0 sites, mainly sites from SEnuke and a few sites that mark dickinson uses from his WSO. For these, i am using about 3 links per keyword so i am getting more links per site here.

This 2nd part is new. What i am going to do is monitor the rankings and see if any of these sites start to rank and then maybe get a few more links thrown their way.

When I first did this about 4 months ago, I had 240 links and only 80 were indexed, after doing this, i was able to get about 190 sites indexed and rankings all went up alot. I still keep doing it but havent tracked it like i did in the beginning, though after every run of this, i do see a bump in the keywords i have targeted.

im also going to start to use FT and MYAN to link back to my site and see what results i get. I konw there is another wso on here that only uses FT and is getting results. probably goes back to the whole IP diversity thing

one frustrating part is when you see a page not indexed and it has 40 links pointing to it. i had a wordpress.com blog that i had unique content on and dont know why i couldnt get it to get indexed so i threw another round of links and then it finally stuck but i know not all pages where get links on will get indexed and thats why its a numbers game.

One other tip I will throw out here, especially for those using senuke. i get a 500 word article written, i ask them to break it into 2 parts so each part can be its own article. so i am getting 3 articles out of one 500+ article so i can then submit the 2 parts to one account at the social netwwork sites and then take the full version and submit at a new account at these sites.

Terry Kyle · 10-22-2009, 08:49 PM

Thanks so much for sharing that Chris ("jcbradley") - brilliant!

Quote:

Originally Posted by marlon

Hi,

Seomoz is a trusted source of seo research.

Thought you might like this:

Search Engine Ranking Factors | SEOmoz

They have a pie chart there showing ranking factors. It still doesn't answer
the specific type questions you're testing but as an overall guide, it's good.

Marlon

PS: That's amazing you got an endorsement from Steven Covey. Well done!

Did you print the book with Lightning Source?

Thanks Marlon - interesting and a part of putting the pieces of the SEO 'puzzle' together.

Yes my 2 books on Amazon are through Lightning Source (the quality of the books is very good) and as the writer/editor AND publisher with LS, I get more than 50% of the Amazon retail price. That's WAY more than a writer with a 'normal' publisher would (where royalties are scandalously low).

The only drawback in that deal is that royalty payments are made 4 months after the initial sale but once the monthly direct payments are coming in, that's not a big deal.

Now, as you read this, a new secret experiment is going on backlinking wise with a new GoArticle in the niche. I'll reveal that specific process in my next post but it's sort of different to all the others. What I will say is that 12,000 backlinks are being built to a brand new GoArticle tonight. Yep tonight. I'm as curious as you see how that goes!

Anyway, with the other sites, while loads of backlinks are being built, stability in the SERPs is still not there but I think it's very useful to analyse the metrics we do have so far.

I once heard one great discriminator for the difference between a failing business and a succeeding one - the successful company is fully aware of every metric measurement related to its business and the dud one ain't.

Yes, setting up tracking metrics and checking that stuff is a drag and pain in the backside a lot of the time but it's not as much of a drag as 'failure'.

In my own IM journey, once I got my focus OFF financial goals and ON to metric targets, ironically I started to do a WHOLE lot better. Weird, huh?

So let's look at the very latest CB Analytics and see what we can deduce (some of which might be disproven later):

What conclusions can we make from these stats? Remember that after 123 hops, we switched to a different CB vendor though Tracking Code LWHEEL is still to the old vendor.

I really should have changed all those to the new CB vendor AND given them all a unique Tracking Code. Shame on me.

So far, the most successful type of link (in terms of getting hops to the order form) by far is the one like this between the headline and article itself:

If you have a GoArticle, you really should try this type of link and also add a unique CB Tracking Code to it so you can track it.

In a way, if you have picked up nothing else from following this experiment, this ONE tactic could make you a lot more money - IF you are driving CONSISTENT traffic to that GoArticle!

You can buy me a beer when you visit London next!

That's what I feel is necessary in IM instruction - "microdetails" like this and which I will (when I get the time in the next couple of days) go into more in my free SEO Backlinks Diary which you can join in right here.

Even if this experiment stopped right now, that is something you could apply straight away and use to boost your IM income - the evidence is apparent up above there...

So, from our CB Analytics for the entire experiment period, we can also see that:

SENuke's Web 2.0 links ("lwheel" and "art3ow" for Outer Wheel) are not driving hops through to the Order Page at all.

This is another crucial factor in your IM business model: finding traffic that converts well.

For example, in my experience, I find YouTube traffic terrible for conversion. I'm not saying that's true on all products for all IMarketers, just my findings.

I also find Amazon traffic outside of the Christmas period (when I get 30%+) disappointing in terms of conversions and the commissions are tiny. I'm actually getting out of Amazon Associates affiliate stuff for that reason. And a 24 hour cookie is just too stingy!

Yes you do get incidental sales of unrelated items from affiliate links (e.g. someone comes through your jewelry aff link and buys an AC/DC CD) but I think to do it well requires total focus and long-term resources. Just my opinion there and if you're succeeding financially with Amazon, more power to you!

Also our CB analytics show that Bio Boxes (they end in a "C") on ALL the articles in this test have failed to deliver 1 Order Form impression!

Wow!

How much potential value is lost from Ezine Articles where only a Bio Box link is permitted (or is it one link after the first 2 paragraphs? I forget as EZA isn't one of my business models).

It would actually be interesting to see a similar kind of experiment to this one with EzineArticles.

Site 5 (it's a secret and is actually using a strategy that involves no backlinking whatsoever) has delivered 19 hops BUT no Order Form impressions thus far. I''l reveal what's going on there soon.

All in all, there are actually 7 experiments in all going on, not 4 (no wonder my girlfriend is grumpy!):

#1: IRRELEVANT LINKS >> GoArticle
#2: RELEVANT LINKS >> GoArticle
#3: SENuke >> GoArticle
#4: Warrior Ken Fry's Social BookMarking 101 >> New WP site
#5: No Backlinking at all >> New WP Site
#6: 12000 Mega Backlink Blitz Overnight >> New GoArticle
#7: 1500 Backlinks over next 4 Weeks >> New GoArticle

I've looked really closely at doing Free Traffic System too and definitely wanted to but my resources are already at maximum so I'll have to save that one for another time and document it for my free subscribers.

Soon I will go into exactly how Tests 5, 6 and 7 are being powered.

Two Final Points for tonight before I hit the sack:

[1] IM guy Joe Lavery promotes a CB system "Response Dynamite" (you can watch his video here - this is not an aff link but you can learn some good stuff here; I don't know Joe personally and have never met him or corresponded with him) whereby he advocates AVOIDING ClickBank vendor's order forms and setting up your own copycat page of the vendor - ethically dubious I know but bear with me - BECAUSE his testing, according to him, shows that there is too much FAILURE in the tracking and reporting of sales from a CB vendor's order form.

Now technically I don't quite know (yet) how Joe does this with a DIRECT order page to ClickBank but he argues that a much more accurate sales reportage takes place that way.

When I look at my top affiliate link in Article 1 (Irelevant Backlinks) giving me 4 Order Form Impression Counts and only 1 sale, Joe might have something there (trying not get sued by CB here!) though that could be a little premature.

Point 2

In these 7 tests, I have deliberately avoided using my normal backlinking tactics but instead have gone with the 'normal', conventional method of building juice to these test sites. Why? Simply to avoid any later accusations of bias in the running of the experiment.

Remember, we are focusing on the metrics here and learning from them. We are looking for "hops>order form impressions>order form submissions>sales>no/low refunds".

Party on and I WILL be starting my brief SEO Backlink diary notes in the next day or two - signup link above. These won't be affiliate link spamfests just brief diary notes on cool new tools, tactics and tricks I'm monkeying around with at the moment.

See you there where my first 'diary entry' will be about a shocking new 'game changing' (sorry about the cliche there!) platform for backlinking that I will (hopefully) be launching in Q1 2010. It's top secret. Ssshhhhh.

(the signup link is above).

samcarson · 10-22-2009, 09:44 PM

Great work Terry. You are an information powerhouse. BTW how do you get thousands of backlinks overnight?

marlon · 10-22-2009, 10:05 PM

Hi

How you have time to do these amazing, detailed posts, run your business AND see your girlfriend, I don't know.

You're inspiring to all.

I've learned a lot about seo from you!

I'm surprised SE Nuke hasn't done better in the short term. In the long run, I figure Google will catch up to the link wheels and spun content.

Marlon

LilBlackDress · 10-22-2009, 11:32 PM

Hi Terry,

Great thread...Just a few quick questions (and thanks for taking time to answer everyone"s questions)

~ On articles at an article directory: If I put two links in an article and point them at different pages on my own website, do I get credit for both. Or does it really only count as one since it is going to the same website and coming from the same article?

~ On Angela and other backlinks. Should these links be directed to page with the Keyword you want to be known for or the home page of the website or a mix? And how much do these links really count when they have no content with them? If you have 10 keywords for 1 website then you would need to post links for each of these keywords on each site?

~ Would blog and forum Commenting links count as much as other links?

~ Did you try backlinking from Go to Ezine articles? I tried it..cant get it to work.

~ Does Senuke have auto backlinking to different sites recommended in these packets each month or is their auto posting to directories and web2.0 only?

~If you through backlinks at an article that has not been indexed yet..do those links count later when it has been indexed?

Thanks!

Hereandthere · 10-23-2009, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDCopper

I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names.

In 2001 or so or so I registered training-dogs.com. I put up the header with the url in it, but I didn't write any content. I was busy with my then-day job at the time. Maybe two months later, I wondered what competition I would have for training dogs and I did a GG search. My site was #1, and it stayed there without content or later with minimal content for months.

slvrsrfr · 10-23-2009, 03:22 PM

Hi Terry,

Loving this thread. It is very informative and I'm looking forward to the results.

In your previous post you mentioned that you aren't doing any of your usual backlinking strategy.

Might I ask what your usual backlinking strategy is?

Cheers,

Jason

LilBlackDress · 10-23-2009, 03:59 PM

Yes please ....we all want to know your usual backlinking strategy

J smith · 10-23-2009, 06:55 PM

Great thread Terry, lots of great info here.

As for goarticle's signature box not delivering any hops, I find GA's ctr for the resource box is horrible compared to other 2 article directories I use. We are talking like 10% of EA's ctr for the exact same article. Not sure why it is that way, but that's been my experience with GA.

I am curious how you are going to make 15000 links

esh · 10-23-2009, 08:19 PM

Terry,
Did you use xrumer program to create those 12000 backlinks overnight? 'cause i heard people say its a spam tool that goes around creating links on all types of forums, blogs, guest books, photo galleries etc and can create 30,000 backlinks in 6 hrs. But the tool is expensive at $540!

Regarding, backlinking platform that's on your mind, if you get to do one, i will be your first customer

Big JP · 10-23-2009, 10:21 PM

Great stuff Terry, thanks for clearing the RSS creation too.

All the best

JP

oZestretch · 10-24-2009, 05:51 AM

This has been a great read so far...

One thing about the keyword in domain... I think it is a MUST HAVE when you are not doing much of anything else.

If you have little or no unique natural backlinks, then it proves to be a savior!

Why/How can I say this?

I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP

(this is google.com.au)

(this is google.com)

Of course, try altering the order of the words and my site disappears from the ranks. But a half dozen people each day click on me from that search term around the world (shame I keep postponing the release of the product.... oops sorry).

You will notice the other 2 do not have it in root domain/sub domain or folder or even page name. Also Mine is not a .com... the dreaded .net (but that is a separate debate)

So yes, do all of them if you can (but can't always get keywords in root domain without going with a crazy long domain name

).

My 2.2 cents (damn GST)

spaxton1 · 10-24-2009, 02:57 PM

"I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP"

Hey Ozestretch! (Adam?)

I couldn't help but check your site and rankings. While I do agree that having your keywords in your domain is important, it surely isn't enough to keep you on top of the serps. This is just my 2 cents... I'm new to the warrior forum-- but I have some experience with this.
According to seomoz keywords in the root domain have a high importance (62%) or moderate importance in the subdomain (42%) Compare this to their #1 top factor "Keyword anchored Link" (73% Importance) #2 Link Authority (71%) #3 Link IP Diversity (67%)... So based on "their" opinion links links links-- that's the magic ingredient. As you mention, if that's all you're doing, it will help a bit at first but don't expect to remain high within the serps. In fact at the time of checking your stats google us has dropped you down to #5, not #2 anymore.

I checked your stats and competition... right now in my opinion Google is testing your site to determine where they will place you in their serps.

I will list the overview here, since I still think it applies to this thread... (Terry, hope you agree)
#1 Spot : wildapricot.com PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 110,000
#2 Spot : wildapricot.com/ subdomain PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 116,000
#3 Spot: syncnet.com PR 4 | Age 12 | Back links 64
#4 Spot: idevspot.com PR 3 | Age 1 | Back links 31
#5 Spot: YOUR SITE PR 0 | 7 months | Back links 12
#6 Spot: amember.com PR 6 | Age 6 | Back links 9290
#7 Spot: membergate.com PR 4 | Age 9 | Back links 33,100
#8 Spot: memberspeed.com PR 4 | Age 1 | Back links 6770
#9 Spot: extrememember.com PR 4 | Age 0 | Back links 2290
#10 Spot:datasystemsplus.com PR 2 | Age 6 | Back links 1210

Keep in mind, the back links above are all links pointing back to that specific page and do not really tell us if they are using your keyword for the anchor. I did do a quick check on the #1 site, and it doesn't have "Membership Website Software" as anchor links at all. Which tells me that they are probably not optimizing that exact keyword phrase.

So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely... especially for the keywords you mentioned, they seem somewhat competitive. But, overall you could own that serps page if you incorporate backlinking to your site, article about your site, and video (youtube) about your site. Don't just try to get your site to number 1, try to take the top 5 spots through articles, blogs, and video-- that's how you dominate!

SIDE NOTE: You mentioned that your product isn't ready yet... I run a membership website and when I first launched the site I spent $40,000 on Billboards, $12,000 on Radio, and $8,500 in Newspaper advertising to try to get members. I was excited about our service and assumed people would join even though many of the actual membership features were not ready or developed yet. WRONG!! I did get a lot of interest, but the bottom line is that you can't expect to sale a "Pending" product... It was an expensive lesson.

Hopefully, I've been able to shed some light on the subject. If you're getting lucky in the Serps, do everything in your power to remain there.

SMS · 10-24-2009, 06:03 PM

Very interesting thread here.

BTW... this still happens today. Pages with no content rank on first page of Google, even when the keyword does not appear in the domain name or URL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hereandthere

In 2001 or so or so I registered training-dogs.com. I put up the header with the url in it, but I didn't write any content. I was busy with my then-day job at the time. Maybe two months later, I wondered what competition I would have for training dogs and I did a GG search. My site was #1, and it stayed there without content or later with minimal content for months.

JDCopper · 10-24-2009, 06:51 PM

Still lovin this thread Terry. Note to those of you who have chimed in on whether or not the domain name is relevant / worthwhile / important, please let me point out that it is your title tag that is winning that keyword, not your domain name. If you want to test it, change your title tag to something else and see if you still rank there after a month. Even better, change another site you have to use that title tag and watch it out rank the one with the domain name, but not the title tag.

l23bc · 10-24-2009, 07:03 PM

terry this is a great read on here without any bells and whistles you see on some other people's posts, i really like what you are doing, i actully copied one of your tactics on the feedage part to directory on the early page and now my site i used (which is in my sig link)has beaten 44 million webistes on 2 certain keywords, also have backlinked this month with a few warriors help like gang-buster's and just got outscourced up to 1,500 links a month also.

without your help by this post i'd still be in the dark ages of seo so thank you for this infomation you hold on here you have helped me quite alot

andy

7_8_shortcuts · 10-24-2009, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaxton1

So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely...

I also agree. But a site should have a variety of backlinks and anchor texts to look more natural, but of course somehow the main keyword should be included on a number of incoming anchor texts... It's all a fine balance.

oZestretch · 10-24-2009, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaxton1

"I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP"

Hey Ozestretch! (Adam?)

I couldn't help but check your site and rankings. While I do agree that having your keywords in your domain is important, it surely isn't enough to keep you on top of the serps. This is just my 2 cents... I'm new to the warrior forum-- but I have some experience with this.
According to seomoz keywords in the root domain have a high importance (62%) or moderate importance in the subdomain (42%) Compare this to their #1 top factor "Keyword anchored Link" (73% Importance) #2 Link Authority (71%) #3 Link IP Diversity (67%)... So based on "their" opinion links links links-- that's the magic ingredient. As you mention, if that's all you're doing, it will help a bit at first but don't expect to remain high within the serps. In fact at the time of checking your stats google us has dropped you down to #5, not #2 anymore.

I checked your stats and competition... right now in my opinion Google is testing your site to determine where they will place you in their serps.

I will list the overview here, since I still think it applies to this thread... (Terry, hope you agree)
#1 Spot : wildapricot.com PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 110,000
#2 Spot : wildapricot.com/ subdomain PR 7 | Age 3 | Back links 116,000
#3 Spot: syncnet.com PR 4 | Age 12 | Back links 64
#4 Spot: idevspot.com PR 3 | Age 1 | Back links 31
#5 Spot: YOUR SITE PR 0 | 7 months | Back links 12
#6 Spot: amember.com PR 6 | Age 6 | Back links 9290
#7 Spot: membergate.com PR 4 | Age 9 | Back links 33,100
#8 Spot: memberspeed.com PR 4 | Age 1 | Back links 6770
#9 Spot: extrememember.com PR 4 | Age 0 | Back links 2290
#10 Spot:datasystemsplus.com PR 2 | Age 6 | Back links 1210

Keep in mind, the back links above are all links pointing back to that specific page and do not really tell us if they are using your keyword for the anchor. I did do a quick check on the #1 site, and it doesn't have "Membership Website Software" as anchor links at all. Which tells me that they are probably not optimizing that exact keyword phrase.

So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely... especially in for the keywords you mentioned, they seem somewhat competitive.

SIDE NOTE: You mentioned that your product isn't ready yet... I run a membership website and when I first launched the site I spent $40,000 on Billboards, $12,000 on Radio, and $8,500 in Newspaper advertising to try to get members. I was excited about our service and assumed people would join even though many of the actual membership features were not ready or developed yet. WRONG!! I did get a lot of interest, but the bottom line is that you can't expect to sale a "Pending" product... It was an expensive lesson.

Hopefully, I've been able to shed some light on the subject. If you're getting lucky in the Serps, do everything in your power to remain there.

Yes, I am Adam

I believe google will display slightly different results depending on your location (or the location of the closest google server to you) even though we both searched on the exact same domain. I read this a long time ago in this forum. So where I see #2, you see #5... but I searched right now, and still see #2.

As for the pending side, I have purposely not made the site 'known' until I knew where I was going with it (that and the coder stopped coding :S). I should have listened to Ryan Lee and not got a 'mate' on the job.

Totally agree with backlinks being the holy grail, in 2002 my first website gained a pr4 status ... I had no idea what that was then or how to get it.. I figured every site was like that as I did nothing special, or did I? Turned out, all those little posts back to my site worked in my favor! I thought I was just killing time.

BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon.

#1 Rule for SEO - Keep it human!

spaxton1 · 10-25-2009, 07:28 AM

"BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon." Ozestretch

Just going to mention... if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)

jcbradley · 10-25-2009, 08:48 AM

You are right about PR not affecting rankings, Jerry West will always update when new PR drops and says look at your rankings and traffic. Most time they are never affected.

As for your advice on continual backlinking, i know from my own experience you HAVE to. plus i think its common sense.

I was doing angelas backlink packets for 2 of my main keywords and had #1 for both these keywords for a good 6 months but then "forgot" about these for a couple of months, didnt get any backlinks and then i dropped out of the #1 spot. in one keyword, i dropped to #7. but with more backlinks, gained #1 for both kws again.

one note here...after getting #1, you do not need to be as aggressive as you were, i call this a maintenance phase.

Chris

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaxton1

"BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 ....
Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon." Ozestretch

Just going to mention... if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)

Terry Kyle · 10-26-2009, 07:24 AM

Gosh - so many things to talk about!

Incidentally, Article 3, the SENuke driven one is now holding steady at #6 on Page 1 of Google for its search term. That's a little low for traffic though and I've started this second strategy for it from the SENuke forum from Joe (I think), one of the SENuke creators/owners.

I'm posting it here because I believe it shows the right level of 'microdetail' and may inspire you

:

Here's the steps I have given them, you might find these useful:

1. Choose a product

1. Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank ->Marketplace->Category->Pick product with grav at least 60
2. Make sure alexa rank of product is less than 300,000
3. Look over sales page and make sure it's good. if something has an alexa ranking of less than 100,000 then its good.
4. Create hoplink->Clickbank nickname = [your clickbank id]
5. Copy and save the link at the top... called the "affiliate link"

2. Keyword Research

1. Brainstorm a keyword that people would use to search for your product.
2. Open up SEnuke and type that keyword (max 4 words) into SEnuke: "Keyword to research" box.
3. Search for->Keywords on Google keywords tool.
4. Type captcha and click "get keyword ideas".
5. Wait for page to load... make sure keywords are relevant or try another keyword.
6. Click on "copy keywords for batch research".
7. Click on "Find competition".
8. Now you will pick a keyword to target. Make sure difficulty rating is "extremely easy" or "easy". And search count is at least 100. Higher the search count, the better. ALSO, make sure that the keyword has a "Search count for the past month" associated with it. If a keyword has a search count for the previous month, this improves reliability of the average search count (from my experience). Even better, use this trick to find a great keyword: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1121
9. Also, make sure keyword is relevant.
10. Double click keyword that is either extremely easy or easy... with highest search count... to copy it to clipboard.
11. Save this keyword for future reference.

3. Writing article

1. SEnuke->Social Network Nuke->Type in keyword at top
2. "Download article from Ezinearticles"
3. Go to preview tab.
4. Keep clicking button until you find an article between 300-400 words.
5. Read that article, and make sure that you can talk about the product in the article.
6. Once you find a good article that you can use to promote the product, you will change the article.
7. Go to "Create spinner article" tab.
8. Select a sentence, go into "edit box", press Enter after the initial sentence and type in a replacement for that sentence. Type 2 sentence variations and press "Apply". All sentence variations should say the same thing.
9. Repeat this for the entire article, re-writing every sentence 3 times.
10. After this, click the "Check Uniqueness" button. Make sure uniqueness is at least 30%.
11. Copy the "title" into the beginning of the article and add 2 sentence variations. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 appears exactly as it is written in the title of the article, preferably twice. For example: "Phone reversal, Use phone reversal to find out who that cell phone belongs to."
12. Cut and paste the title out of the article into the "title field" again.
13. Write a sentence at the top of the article to motivate people to click and go to product sales page.
14. Right-click on sentence and click on "add link to selected anchor text".
15. Paste your affiliate link in here.
16. Now select everything from <a... to </a> and right click and click on "Bold selected text".
17. Click on "preview sample article" tab to make sure you get a bolded link.
18. Now copy that link and paste it to the bottom of the article as well.
19. Find an image to use for the product (like a box cover or something) and add that near the top of the article by right clicking in the article editor and selecting "Add image.." and pasting the image URL. This image can be usually found on the product sales page.
20. Underneath the image, write 5 key problems that the product solves. Underneath these 5 points, add your affiliate link again, with a "click here" anchor text.
21. ALSO, near the bottom of the article, write a statement like "Other sites worth checking out".. press Enter and on the next line add this piece of code:
Quote:
#randurls[4|1|new line|]#
This piece of code adds random links to other submissions that you've done in the past, to build backlinks for them.

19. Think of 5 words to put in tags that are related to your product/article and make SURE that the keyword you chose in step 2 is the first of these words. (separated by comma).
20. Take your keyword and change it to one word without spaces (copy it into the article body). Re-write this word 4 different times using hyphens, numbers, and letters. The keyword MUST appear in here exactly as you chose it. Click apply and cut and paste this back into the domain field.

4. Submit article.

1. Select "blogspot". Make sure nothing else is selected, and click Start.
2. Wait for captcha and enter it and press continue. Let the program finish.
3. Click on "copy URL list" after submission is completed, and save this for reference. This is your blog URL.
4. Go back to the article, delete the link at the top and the link at the bottom.
5. Now write a sentence at the bottom which is inviting, something like: To perform a reverse cell phone lookup and find out who that number belongs to, please check out this phone reversal website.
6. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 is in that sentence exactly as it appears. Now add 2 variations to this sentence as well using the edit box.
7. Right click on the keyword + a couple other words if required and click on "add link to selected anchor text" and paste your blog URL.
8. Now you are ready to submit the article.
9. Click on the "select all" checkbox at the top and select appropriate categories for the article. Update: DON'T select the article directories, only the social networking sites.
10. Then click on "Start!"
11. If border turns yellow, it wants you to enter the captcha and press "Continue". Use the "pause" feature at the top if you can't enter the captcha easily.
12. Once submission report comes up click on "Save report" and save it somewhere.
13. Now click on "Send to pinger". Then click on "Start pinging!" and wait for the pinging to finish.

5. Submitting social bookmarks and RSS feeds.

1. Click on "social bookmark nuke" tab. Click on "use sites from last social network nuke submission".
2. Change setting: Bookmark 2 random websites.
3. Copy title and tags from social network nuke to social bookmark nuke.
4. Type a small one or two sentence description. Something like: Ever wanted to know who that certain cell phone number belongs to? Then check this out.
5. Select all websites, choose a Digg and Propeller category, and click Start!
6. Make sure you have about 6 browser windows running at the same time by clicking the "New browser" button repetitively. Then click on "Tile Vertically" So that you can see all the windows.
7. Every time a window turns yellow, click on "Pause" at the top to stop everything and enter the captcha. Then press continue. After entering all the captchas, press Unpause.
8. Wait for all windows to turn blue.
9. Click on "Rss nuke" tab.
10. Copy tags over, change setting to submit 2 RSS feeds.
11. Click on "use RSS feeds from last social network nuke submission." Make sure all the websites in the website list have to do with your keyword.
12. Select all the websites, choose categories, and hit Start!
13. If border turns yellow, enter captcha, and do everything else like you did before. Wait for all windows to turn blue.

ALL DONE!
One final step: Go into social network nuke, save project. Now wait about 1 week to start seeing affiliate sales in your clickbank account. Rinse and repeat

More in next post...

Terry Kyle · 10-26-2009, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcbradley

You are right about PR not affecting rankings, Jerry West will always update when new PR drops and says look at your rankings and traffic. Most time they are never affected.

As for your advice on continual backlinking, i know from my own experience you HAVE to. plus i think its common sense.

I was doing angelas backlink packets for 2 of my main keywords and had #1 for both these keywords for a good 6 months but then "forgot" about these for a couple of months, didnt get any backlinks and then i dropped out of the #1 spot. in one keyword, i dropped to #7. but with more backlinks, gained #1 for both kws again.

one note here...after getting #1, you do not need to be as aggressive as you were, i call this a maintenance phase.

Chris

Spot on Chris.

My own theory is that a 'real' authority site would 'naturally' keep attracting backlinks so we must replicate that dynamic.

The real trick is how we can automate or semi-automate that process because when your portfolio reaches a certain size, maintaining that can consume your life.

To that end, I have been trialling LinkJuicer on some of my own sites but not seeing a lot of bounce - yet. I'll keep you updated on that along with followers of my SEO Notes emails.

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if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural.

BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking.

Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?)

P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)

Yep - see above post on CONTINUED backlinking.

By the way, that continuation process of backlinking existing sites should be used to add links to new sites or other sites too e.g. put several links on a backlink site at once. Have several sites in motion at once.

10-14-2009, 07:50 PM	#152
cmo140 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 258 Thanks: 19 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment I am new to this and for the last week I have been spending two hours a day reading up on this. My two questions are You talked about Angela , PJ and yourself in WSO . Where do I find what that means and also you talk about Goarticles and making $100 a day off them. What do you mean by that?

10-15-2009, 06:13 AM	#154
jazbo Systematic Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Norfolk, England. Posts: 1,906 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 35 Thanked 298 Times in 217 Posts Social Networking	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Terry - FYI on "relevant " links this is what Rand Fishkin of authority SEO site seomoz,org has stated in their blog recently: "To be totally honest, I don't think the content relationship (relevancy) or matching subject matter has much of an impact in the algo right now. Off-topic links, so long as they're from powerful, trustworthy sources, seem to help just as much as those with topical matches. It may seem weird, but I know I'm far from the only SEO to have observed this phenomenon." So the message is blatantly - sod relevancy - build links!
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10-15-2009, 07:47 AM	#155
marlon HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 414 Thanks: 29 Thanked 229 Times in 85 Posts	Terry, have u or anyone else done research on this? Hi Terry, I really like your research-based approach. 1. What is your experience on the rate that articles on Go Articles and Ezine Articles builds inbound links from diversified ips as a result of others publishing the articles VS. publishing press releases? 2. Do you get more authority from the inbound links on the press releases and does that amount to much boost in the end? 3. Do you have any research that shows the value of links ONLY from having your article on ezine articles and GA vs. the inbound links when those articles are picked up by diversified ip's BUT all duplicate content? 4. Do you know of any research OTHER than yours that compares the effectiveness of different links. Say links from common web 2.0 sites, vs links you pick up from Go Articles and Ezine Articles, vs. links from the community profiles, vs. links for .edu and .gov profies, vs. forums, vs bookmarking vs. blog comments vs. whatever else? I see a lot of opinions. But I don't know of any actual research. Best wishes, Marlon
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10-16-2009, 07:18 AM	#157
Preciseim Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Manchester Posts: 94 Thanks: 8 Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts Contact Info	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Hi Terry, IMO it is still worth trying to get your keywords in the domain name...Even if you can't get an exact match at least try and get them in there ...Just me 2 cents
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10-16-2009, 07:19 AM	#158
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10-16-2009, 08:45 AM	#159
marlon HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 414 Thanks: 29 Thanked 229 Times in 85 Posts	Terry, here IS where the domain works Bro, Check out product launch formula in google. Search "traffic secrets". sales letter generator I wish I had time to grab some of those awesome screen caps like you are doing. What I see is LONG TAIL keywords seem to do very well when you register the domain. But maybe if you had the keyword in the filename and did a little linking it would be all the same. I DO see the exact domain a lot in slow and mid range searches in the number 1 spot. Probably mostly low range. IP DIVERSITY Look at the backlinks on your BIG sites that get ranked high. They almost always do a sitewide buy of an ad on a high pr domain for the inbound links. You DO see these links when you do a backlinkwatch search. Why they do this I'm not sure. And does it really help. I'm not sure. But I read this and it seems to be true that the big authority sites buy a sitewide ad buy on other big authority sites. But I haven't done anything remotely resembling the research you're doing. DIRECTORY SUBMISSIONS? What about plain ol' directory submissions and believe it or not submitting to 1000+ search engines like the OLD days? That gives you an ip diversity of inbound links, right? Marlon
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10-16-2009, 10:18 AM	#160
Sowemimo Oladele All I need is $$$$ Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Terry, With all what you are working on, you still find time to screenshot and paste them in warrior forum. You are really doing a great job....Thanks man
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10-16-2009, 10:41 AM	#161
JDCopper Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Terry, For whatever it is worth, I remember way back in the day before everyone started repeating the same things over and over again (and not always getting them right) that the reason you put your keywords in your domain name was that people have a tendency to link to websites via their name instead of the key words that you hope they would use. Thus, a guy linking to preventacnenow.com would unintentionally be linking to your site with the right keywords whereas the same guy linking to doverskinsolutions.com would not. Because of that Google would rank a site with the keywords in the domain name higher. Over time, as people re-wrote what they read somewhere else without completely understanding it, it morphed into Google ranks sites with keywords in their domain names higher. I can't imagine that this was part of the ranking algorithm for very long (if ever) and if so, the bonus must have been pretty tiny. I mean Microsoft, IBM, Ford, even Google, etc. none of those have the word software, computers, cars, or search in their domain names. In fact, most "real" brands do not have keywords in their names. BTW, amazing thread. I start down this path all the time (not publicly) but never end up finding the time to finish it out, so kudos and thanks. Absolutely outstanding idea. (Not to mention shrewd. I'm pretty new here, but I imagine your rep is soaring around here right now. There's nothing quite like PROVING that you know what you are talking about.)

10-16-2009, 05:04 PM	#162
mikkosant Senior Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 517 Thanks: 21 Thanked 89 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Hey terry, great thread I can't wait to see how sb101 turns out. Maybe free traffic system too? Anyway, since you have mentioned the reverse cell niche before, you may be aware of this article. http://www.g oarti cles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2036995 sorry don't want them getting a backlink... If you type reverse cell phone lookup in google, you will see this goarticle ranking at position 4 or 5. Now, this article was ripped directly off the reversephonedetective's affiliate tools section. It has no real backlinks. Just some strange myspace web search ones. Of course, everyone knows about the other 2 ezinearticles in this niche making a killing, but this guy is using dupe content with no real backlinks and has been ranking halfway down page one for over 10 days. Fresh articles do usually stay at the top of results for a short while and quickly fade away, but in this niche, fresh articles don't get on page 1 without backlinks or so it seems. Usually, new articles stick on page 2-5 for a couple weeks and then die off. Anyway, just looking at what you think this guy could have done. It just doesn't make any sense. He's probobly making atleast $50/day with that ranking. Welcome To The SEO Conundrum... Thanks for this detailed experiment BTW.

10-16-2009, 11:45 PM	#164
Mario Brown No B.S. - That's Me War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Beach, Miami Posts: 884 Thanks: 157 Thanked 799 Times in 121 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Just stumbled over this thread and all I can say is WOW, great information! Going to let my subscribers know about this. It's perfect timing. Thanks for this great experiment, very refreshing thread. Going to follow closely.
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10-17-2009, 10:36 AM	#165
marlon HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 414 Thanks: 29 Thanked 229 Times in 85 Posts	Many more #1ranked keyphrase domain names Hi, Check out: internet marketing secrets Michael Campbell is #1 with internetmarketingsecrets.com. He is #5 or 6 with the term internet marketing strategy using internetmarketingstrategy.com. Look at: fat loss secrets thefatlosssecret.com is #1 two and the #1 ranking has keywords also. search: "burn the fat" burnthefat.com is #1 burnthefatblog is #2 search: "guitar secrets" guitarsecrets.com is #1 skateboard secrets search: "photoshop secrets" photoshopsecret.com is #1 What I read in the past was that the domain name had a 20% or 30% weight in the Google Algo. James Brausch published that once I believe based on his research of high ranking domains. Still, I have no idea the difference between the keywords in the domain vs. just in the file name. Marlon
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10-18-2009, 01:53 PM	#167
magnusmora HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 165 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment I see what you are saying about giving away backlinks to the likes of goarticles. However, What about splitting your links in your articles. One could go to an affiliate redirect and the other to your own domain. Infact on goarticles, you could have a link at the top, one at the bottom and another in your resource box. You could aim one of these links to your own domain. That way if you build links to the articles not only are they moving up in the search rankings, but so is your own domain getting some of the link juice. Terry - Whats your view on this? Cheers

10-18-2009, 08:19 PM	#169
HopeBiz Wizenheimer War Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Discovered your Experiment from a post by Marlon Sanders, thank you Marlon. This is one of those 'slap your forehead' moments in that nobody has attempted this before, to my knowledge. This is an incredible undertaking, one that should be required reading by anyone contemplating starting a monetized web site. My head is spinning from all the facts, figures, terminology, case studies, software programs, statistics, reference sites, logs, web alphabet lingo, individuals sited and lauded, whew......... Terry, THANK YOU for your incredible amount of documentation and dedication in creating an almost 'definitive' body of work on the actual inner workings of Internet Marketing. Can't wait for the final results.........

10-19-2009, 05:22 AM	#170
nota-bene HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London Town Posts: 178 Thanks: 61 Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts Social Networking	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Terry. You, Sir, are a legend! I wanted to join the ever increasing number of people on this thread, and thank you for what is, without doubt, a fabulous insight to backlinking. I seriuosly can't thank you enough for the time you are spending on this, and for the level of detail in which you share your findings. I also second the motion for a 'buy me a beer' option, as you are deserving of many a pint! Keep up the great work!

10-19-2009, 09:49 AM	#171
imlogic Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 54 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment This is more of a "backlink strategies for Go Articles" test more than anything else... I wish you would have used brand new wp blogs for each test. GoArticles already has authority so what may work for a GoArticle may not work for a brand new site. For instance: "relevant links" may not be needed as much as say on a new site because GA already has tons of trust and authority and if they say this page is about "x" then its pretty much about "x" and Google usually "agrees" and needs less "confirmation". The "property" has to be the same in each test otherwise the backlink findings CANNOT be definitive for more than GoArticle type authority sites.

10-19-2009, 01:03 PM	#172
Hereandthere HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 112 Thanks: 30 Thanked 29 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment I've just come across this thread and read it all from start to finish. I'm so glad you have taken the advice given early on NOT to disclose your niche yet. In my mind, that makes the tests far more valuable.

10-19-2009, 03:40 PM	#173
LilBlackDress Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,469 Thanks: 94 Thanked 264 Times in 181 Posts Social Networking	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Excellent thread Terry, will look for your WSO - when will that be ready? A couple questions to make sure I am clear. When you mention normal backlinking as opposed to relevant sites, do you mean posting a link for say an acne product on a blog about forex trading? That type of thing? Given that you are not closing linkwheels on Senuke, are there cheaper alternatives to get a good benefit. For example using a good article/blog submitter and submitting it to RSS feeds with another software? Recently I tried to link from GoArticles to a post on ezines. Despited verifying my article was there and I had an exact match for the URL...I kept getting a message from ezines that the article was no longer there (even though it was) so is linking from Go to ezines not possible? What about the RSS feed did you make these for individual articles? I thought feeds were for a number of articles. Also what about submitting to directories for links...Would they have to be relevant ones? Thank you!
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10-20-2009, 08:09 PM	#175
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10-21-2009, 06:22 AM	#176
Terry Kyle On A Backlinking Journey War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: London/Sofia Posts: 815 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 417 Thanked 760 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment This is kinda off-topic but when I originally posted this thread in the main discussion, a mod pushed it over to the 'Mind/Success' sub-forum and not many Warriors got to benefit from it so I'm reposting it here: How I Got Stephen "7 Habits" Covey To Endorse My Book For $10 ('Sales' Letter Included) Here is a valuable marketing lesson for fellow Warriors. A while back, one of my books, "400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World" was released through Amazon on a tiny marketing budget (read virtually ‘zero’). As a result, getting quality endorsements for the book was critical. So far, the book has received great endorsements from Duncan Bannatyne (from BBC’s “Dragons’ Den”), the Editor of “Real Business” magazine, David Meerman Scott and, and more recently Stephen R. Covey, Author of The “7 Habits of Highly Effective People” & “The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness”. Dr Covey has stated for marketing use that my book is "A marvelous resource for anyone looking to start a business—packed with good ideas, including the pros and cons of each concept." I can use this endorsement in all marketing materials, web promotion, on the cover etc How did I get these endorsements including Dr Covey’s? Simple. I sent them a copy of the book and a polite letter asking for it. Total cost: about $10 each. I almost had the “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” guy on board (with the same letter below) – it didn’t work out and I’ve had a few ‘no's’ (e.g. Richard Branson) on the way but the ‘yes’s’ are marketing gold that money couldn’t buy (these guys are multimillionaires). The moral of the story is that we should never talk ourselves out of an opportunity without at least trying. One important tip: Make sure the envelope you send with the letter in is stamped "Personal" or "Confidential" to give it a chance of reaching the inner circle of your target. Here’s the actual approach letter I used - hope this helps you and PM me if you need further advice on this kind of approach ATT: Dr Stephen R. Covey 2200 West Parkway Blvd Salt Lake City, UT 84119 Dear Dr Covey, RE: POSSIBLE ONE-LINE ENDORSEMENT OF NEW BOOK FOR ENTREPRENEURS As a long-time fan of your work and the London-based author/editor of the enclosed new entrepreneurial small business title, Small Business Ideas: 400 Latest & Greatest Small Business Ideas From Around The World 2008/09 Edition (ISBN 9780955898907) I was hoping that you could briefly peruse the enclosed book and consider a one-sentence endorsement of it. As this unique book encourages entrepreneurship and self-empowerment - much like your own inspiring works - it seems like the kind of publication you might consider endorsing. In a way, this book also celebrates the remarkable brilliance of business and product innovation around the world today and offers the necessary information for entrepreneurs to contact these individuals and organisations. A one-line endorsement by yourself - if kindly given - would thus be used on Amazon and Barnes & Noble and on future editions of the book. The book has just been released on Amazon. Your kind recommendation would also be a tremendous help to a fellow entrepreneur, albeit one further down the ‘food chain’ than yourself. If considered favourably, such an endorsement can be sent through e-mail to me via terrykyleXXX@yahoo.com or by the fax number above. Sincere thanks in advance for your time Dr Covey and feel free to contact me in Britain on +44-XXXX-XXXX if you have further questions. Best regards Terry Kyle
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10-21-2009, 08:30 AM	#177
marlon HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 414 Thanks: 29 Thanked 229 Times in 85 Posts	Scientific breakdown of ranking factors in pie chart Hi, Seomoz is a trusted source of seo research. Thought you might like this: Search Engine Ranking Factors \| SEOmoz They have a pie chart there showing ranking factors. It still doesn't answer the specific type questions you're testing but as an overall guide, it's good. Marlon PS: That's amazing you got an endorsement from Steven Covey. Well done! Did you print the book with Lightning Source?
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10-21-2009, 08:40 AM	#178
jcbradley HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: , , . Posts: 254 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 29 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Terry, Shared this in your other thread so I thought i would post over here... Dont mind sharing at all. I have 2 different ways I am using Free Traffic - FT and My Article Network - MYAN. Both ways are to get links back to the sites where I have links. The first way is for the backlink packets. What I do here is to take a PLR article on any topic, i get it rewritten twice and spun using magical article rewriter bc it will output the articles with the FT and MYAN codes. I then link up 1 keyword in the middle of the article and at the end of the article I put.. article by...name..and learn more about him here. I link up name and the click here part. I am not looking to get these pages ranked, I am just wanting to get them indexed and fire a little bit of link juice to these sites. My thinking is by having a few links each month going there way, it will help it not only get indexed but stay indexed. I have seen indexed pages fall out off google index a few months after they been indexed. Why... my guess is no content being added and no links pointing to it. and it will also keep the cache date fresh. I know Jerry West teaches when you are looking for places to link, always check the cache date and make sure its under 30 days. Now free traffic allows you to rotate links per keyword. so i will put in anywhere from 3-8 links per keyword. Same thing at my article network. FT allows you to post up to 40 blogs, my article is unlimited but spreadout over a few months. so if i use 8 links per keyword, that means each link will get posted to 5 blogs at FT and probably more at MYAN. each article is allowed 3 links. so thats a total of 24 links per article and i usualy submit the same article to both sites so i am getting 48 links for one article. now i only do this when i have already fired links at these sites. I usually start with 3-5 links per keyword. Now the 2nd way i use FT and MYAN is i take the article i had written that is keyword focused, then get it rewritten twice and spun again but this time I am using these to go after more specific web 2.0 sites, mainly sites from SEnuke and a few sites that mark dickinson uses from his WSO. For these, i am using about 3 links per keyword so i am getting more links per site here. This 2nd part is new. What i am going to do is monitor the rankings and see if any of these sites start to rank and then maybe get a few more links thrown their way. When I first did this about 4 months ago, I had 240 links and only 80 were indexed, after doing this, i was able to get about 190 sites indexed and rankings all went up alot. I still keep doing it but havent tracked it like i did in the beginning, though after every run of this, i do see a bump in the keywords i have targeted. im also going to start to use FT and MYAN to link back to my site and see what results i get. I konw there is another wso on here that only uses FT and is getting results. probably goes back to the whole IP diversity thing one frustrating part is when you see a page not indexed and it has 40 links pointing to it. i had a wordpress.com blog that i had unique content on and dont know why i couldnt get it to get indexed so i threw another round of links and then it finally stuck but i know not all pages where get links on will get indexed and thats why its a numbers game. One other tip I will throw out here, especially for those using senuke. i get a 500 word article written, i ask them to break it into 2 parts so each part can be its own article. so i am getting 3 articles out of one 500+ article so i can then submit the 2 parts to one account at the social netwwork sites and then take the full version and submit at a new account at these sites.
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10-22-2009, 09:44 PM	#180
samcarson Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 637 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 74 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Great work Terry. You are an information powerhouse. BTW how do you get thousands of backlinks overnight?
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10-22-2009, 10:05 PM	#181
marlon HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: , , . Posts: 414 Thanks: 29 Thanked 229 Times in 85 Posts	Terry, you're amazing Hi How you have time to do these amazing, detailed posts, run your business AND see your girlfriend, I don't know. You're inspiring to all. I've learned a lot about seo from you! I'm surprised SE Nuke hasn't done better in the short term. In the long run, I figure Google will catch up to the link wheels and spun content. Marlon
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10-22-2009, 11:32 PM	#182
LilBlackDress Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,469 Thanks: 94 Thanked 264 Times in 181 Posts Social Networking	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Hi Terry, Great thread...Just a few quick questions (and thanks for taking time to answer everyone"s questions) ~ On articles at an article directory: If I put two links in an article and point them at different pages on my own website, do I get credit for both. Or does it really only count as one since it is going to the same website and coming from the same article? ~ On Angela and other backlinks. Should these links be directed to page with the Keyword you want to be known for or the home page of the website or a mix? And how much do these links really count when they have no content with them? If you have 10 keywords for 1 website then you would need to post links for each of these keywords on each site? ~ Would blog and forum Commenting links count as much as other links? ~ Did you try backlinking from Go to Ezine articles? I tried it..cant get it to work. ~ Does Senuke have auto backlinking to different sites recommended in these packets each month or is their auto posting to directories and web2.0 only? ~If you through backlinks at an article that has not been indexed yet..do those links count later when it has been indexed? Thanks!
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10-23-2009, 03:22 PM	#184
slvrsrfr Peaceful Jedi Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 110 Thanks: 158 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Hi Terry, Loving this thread. It is very informative and I'm looking forward to the results. In your previous post you mentioned that you aren't doing any of your usual backlinking strategy. Might I ask what your usual backlinking strategy is? Cheers, Jason
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10-23-2009, 03:59 PM	#185
LilBlackDress Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,469 Thanks: 94 Thanked 264 Times in 181 Posts Social Networking	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Yes please ....we all want to know your usual backlinking strategy
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10-23-2009, 06:55 PM	#186
J smith HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: , , USA. Posts: 301 Thanks: 8 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Great thread Terry, lots of great info here. As for goarticle's signature box not delivering any hops, I find GA's ctr for the resource box is horrible compared to other 2 article directories I use. We are talking like 10% of EA's ctr for the exact same article. Not sure why it is that way, but that's been my experience with GA. I am curious how you are going to make 15000 links

10-23-2009, 08:19 PM	#187
esh i love building links War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 192 Thanks: 35 Thanked 42 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Terry, Did you use xrumer program to create those 12000 backlinks overnight? 'cause i heard people say its a spam tool that goes around creating links on all types of forums, blogs, guest books, photo galleries etc and can create 30,000 backlinks in 6 hrs. But the tool is expensive at $540! Regarding, backlinking platform that's on your mind, if you get to do one, i will be your first customer

10-23-2009, 10:21 PM	#188
Big JP Welsh Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 457 Thanks: 21 Thanked 36 Times in 28 Posts Social Networking	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Great stuff Terry, thanks for clearing the RSS creation too. All the best JP
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10-24-2009, 05:51 AM	#189
oZestretch Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 37 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment This has been a great read so far... One thing about the keyword in domain... I think it is a MUST HAVE when you are not doing much of anything else. If you have little or no unique natural backlinks, then it proves to be a savior! Why/How can I say this? I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP (this is google.com.au) (this is google.com) Of course, try altering the order of the words and my site disappears from the ranks. But a half dozen people each day click on me from that search term around the world (shame I keep postponing the release of the product.... oops sorry). You will notice the other 2 do not have it in root domain/sub domain or folder or even page name. Also Mine is not a .com... the dreaded .net (but that is a separate debate) So yes, do all of them if you can (but can't always get keywords in root domain without going with a crazy long domain name ). My 2.2 cents (damn GST)
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10-24-2009, 02:57 PM	#190
spaxton1 Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Posts: 23 Thanks: 5 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment "I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP" Hey Ozestretch! (Adam?) I couldn't help but check your site and rankings. While I do agree that having your keywords in your domain is important, it surely isn't enough to keep you on top of the serps. This is just my 2 cents... I'm new to the warrior forum-- but I have some experience with this. According to seomoz keywords in the root domain have a high importance (62%) or moderate importance in the subdomain (42%) Compare this to their #1 top factor "Keyword anchored Link" (73% Importance) #2 Link Authority (71%) #3 Link IP Diversity (67%)... So based on "their" opinion links links links-- that's the magic ingredient. As you mention, if that's all you're doing, it will help a bit at first but don't expect to remain high within the serps. In fact at the time of checking your stats google us has dropped you down to #5, not #2 anymore. I checked your stats and competition... right now in my opinion Google is testing your site to determine where they will place you in their serps. I will list the overview here, since I still think it applies to this thread... (Terry, hope you agree) #1 Spot : wildapricot.com PR 7 \| Age 3 \| Back links 110,000 #2 Spot : wildapricot.com/ subdomain PR 7 \| Age 3 \| Back links 116,000 #3 Spot: syncnet.com PR 4 \| Age 12 \| Back links 64 #4 Spot: idevspot.com PR 3 \| Age 1 \| Back links 31 #5 Spot: YOUR SITE PR 0 \| 7 months \| Back links 12 #6 Spot: amember.com PR 6 \| Age 6 \| Back links 9290 #7 Spot: membergate.com PR 4 \| Age 9 \| Back links 33,100 #8 Spot: memberspeed.com PR 4 \| Age 1 \| Back links 6770 #9 Spot: extrememember.com PR 4 \| Age 0 \| Back links 2290 #10 Spot:datasystemsplus.com PR 2 \| Age 6 \| Back links 1210 Keep in mind, the back links above are all links pointing back to that specific page and do not really tell us if they are using your keyword for the anchor. I did do a quick check on the #1 site, and it doesn't have "Membership Website Software" as anchor links at all. Which tells me that they are probably not optimizing that exact keyword phrase. So, in my opinion, you've got to have back links from high authority sites pointing back to your money pages with the exact keyword phrase-- if you want to rank high in the serps. If you don't do anything about your offpage SEO you will probably find your site dropping off the serps completely... especially for the keywords you mentioned, they seem somewhat competitive. But, overall you could own that serps page if you incorporate backlinking to your site, article about your site, and video (youtube) about your site. Don't just try to get your site to number 1, try to take the top 5 spots through articles, blogs, and video-- that's how you dominate! SIDE NOTE: You mentioned that your product isn't ready yet... I run a membership website and when I first launched the site I spent $40,000 on Billboards, $12,000 on Radio, and $8,500 in Newspaper advertising to try to get members. I was excited about our service and assumed people would join even though many of the actual membership features were not ready or developed yet. WRONG!! I did get a lot of interest, but the bottom line is that you can't expect to sale a "Pending" product... It was an expensive lesson. Hopefully, I've been able to shed some light on the subject. If you're getting lucky in the Serps, do everything in your power to remain there.

10-24-2009, 06:51 PM	#192
JDCopper Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Still lovin this thread Terry. Note to those of you who have chimed in on whether or not the domain name is relevant / worthwhile / important, please let me point out that it is your title tag that is winning that keyword, not your domain name. If you want to test it, change your title tag to something else and see if you still rank there after a month. Even better, change another site you have to use that title tag and watch it out rank the one with the domain name, but not the title tag.
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10-24-2009, 07:03 PM	#193
l23bc Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: From Liverpool U.k But now in a small cottage in wicklow,Dublin, soon to be heading to miami, Posts: 1,493 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 97 Thanked 110 Times in 97 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment terry this is a great read on here without any bells and whistles you see on some other people's posts, i really like what you are doing, i actully copied one of your tactics on the feedage part to directory on the early page and now my site i used (which is in my sig link)has beaten 44 million webistes on 2 certain keywords, also have backlinked this month with a few warriors help like gang-buster's and just got outscourced up to 1,500 links a month also. without your help by this post i'd still be in the dark ages of seo so thank you for this infomation you hold on here you have helped me quite alot andy
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10-25-2009, 07:28 AM	#196
spaxton1 Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Posts: 23 Thanks: 5 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment "BTW That site (my first site) now has a PR0 .... Knowledge is powerful... whether it be good or bad knowledge.... it WILL be relative, count on it! That is why I love this forum and should really head into the war room soon." Ozestretch Just going to mention... if you have a site that had a high PR and then it fell-- its usually do to the lack of new continual links. If initially you did a lot of blog comments pointing back to your site, then suddenly or slowly stopped. It might appear to BIG G that the site is not active, and therefore dropped the PR Rank to zero. As you mentioned, keep it human... which would imply that if a site is the "real deal" it will naturally continue to get new links pointing back to it. If suddenly, no new backlinks are created, it appears un-natural. BUT, big "but" here. That's not to say that you won't remain high in the serps. The PR value, seems to have little value on the actual serps ranking. Once again, IMHO if you start a backlinking campaign you've got to keep at it. Don't expect to build a bunch of links and then forget about it, as it could make you drop down in the serps. (Terry, what's your experience on the importance of continued backlinks?) P.S. I think there's way too much hype in the Google PR Value. I would much rather have a site ranking #1 or #2 for my keywords with a PR 0 than to rank #9 with a PR of 4. Lets be honest, most customers don't know or care about PR. (most don't even know it exist)

10-26-2009, 07:24 AM	#198
Terry Kyle On A Backlinking Journey War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: London/Sofia Posts: 815 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 417 Thanked 760 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment Gosh - so many things to talk about! Incidentally, Article 3, the SENuke driven one is now holding steady at #6 on Page 1 of Google for its search term. That's a little low for traffic though and I've started this second strategy for it from the SENuke forum from Joe (I think), one of the SENuke creators/owners. I'm posting it here because I believe it shows the right level of 'microdetail' and may inspire you : Here's the steps I have given them, you might find these useful: 1. Choose a product 1. Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank ->Marketplace->Category->Pick product with grav at least 60 2. Make sure alexa rank of product is less than 300,000 3. Look over sales page and make sure it's good. if something has an alexa ranking of less than 100,000 then its good. 4. Create hoplink->Clickbank nickname = [your clickbank id] 5. Copy and save the link at the top... called the "affiliate link" 2. Keyword Research 1. Brainstorm a keyword that people would use to search for your product. 2. Open up SEnuke and type that keyword (max 4 words) into SEnuke: "Keyword to research" box. 3. Search for->Keywords on Google keywords tool. 4. Type captcha and click "get keyword ideas". 5. Wait for page to load... make sure keywords are relevant or try another keyword. 6. Click on "copy keywords for batch research". 7. Click on "Find competition". 8. Now you will pick a keyword to target. Make sure difficulty rating is "extremely easy" or "easy". And search count is at least 100. Higher the search count, the better. ALSO, make sure that the keyword has a "Search count for the past month" associated with it. If a keyword has a search count for the previous month, this improves reliability of the average search count (from my experience). Even better, use this trick to find a great keyword: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1121 9. Also, make sure keyword is relevant. 10. Double click keyword that is either extremely easy or easy... with highest search count... to copy it to clipboard. 11. Save this keyword for future reference. 3. Writing article 1. SEnuke->Social Network Nuke->Type in keyword at top 2. "Download article from Ezinearticles" 3. Go to preview tab. 4. Keep clicking button until you find an article between 300-400 words. 5. Read that article, and make sure that you can talk about the product in the article. 6. Once you find a good article that you can use to promote the product, you will change the article. 7. Go to "Create spinner article" tab. 8. Select a sentence, go into "edit box", press Enter after the initial sentence and type in a replacement for that sentence. Type 2 sentence variations and press "Apply". All sentence variations should say the same thing. 9. Repeat this for the entire article, re-writing every sentence 3 times. 10. After this, click the "Check Uniqueness" button. Make sure uniqueness is at least 30%. 11. Copy the "title" into the beginning of the article and add 2 sentence variations. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 appears exactly as it is written in the title of the article, preferably twice. For example: "Phone reversal, Use phone reversal to find out who that cell phone belongs to." 12. Cut and paste the title out of the article into the "title field" again. 13. Write a sentence at the top of the article to motivate people to click and go to product sales page. 14. Right-click on sentence and click on "add link to selected anchor text". 15. Paste your affiliate link in here. 16. Now select everything from <a... to </a> and right click and click on "Bold selected text". 17. Click on "preview sample article" tab to make sure you get a bolded link. 18. Now copy that link and paste it to the bottom of the article as well. 19. Find an image to use for the product (like a box cover or something) and add that near the top of the article by right clicking in the article editor and selecting "Add image.." and pasting the image URL. This image can be usually found on the product sales page. 20. Underneath the image, write 5 key problems that the product solves. Underneath these 5 points, add your affiliate link again, with a "click here" anchor text. 21. ALSO, near the bottom of the article, write a statement like "Other sites worth checking out".. press Enter and on the next line add this piece of code: Quote: #randurls[4\|1\|new line\|]# This piece of code adds random links to other submissions that you've done in the past, to build backlinks for them. 19. Think of 5 words to put in tags that are related to your product/article and make SURE that the keyword you chose in step 2 is the first of these words. (separated by comma). 20. Take your keyword and change it to one word without spaces (copy it into the article body). Re-write this word 4 different times using hyphens, numbers, and letters. The keyword MUST appear in here exactly as you chose it. Click apply and cut and paste this back into the domain field. 4. Submit article. 1. Select "blogspot". Make sure nothing else is selected, and click Start. 2. Wait for captcha and enter it and press continue. Let the program finish. 3. Click on "copy URL list" after submission is completed, and save this for reference. This is your blog URL. 4. Go back to the article, delete the link at the top and the link at the bottom. 5. Now write a sentence at the bottom which is inviting, something like: To perform a reverse cell phone lookup and find out who that number belongs to, please check out this phone reversal website. 6. Make sure the keyword that you chose in step 2 is in that sentence exactly as it appears. Now add 2 variations to this sentence as well using the edit box. 7. Right click on the keyword + a couple other words if required and click on "add link to selected anchor text" and paste your blog URL. 8. Now you are ready to submit the article. 9. Click on the "select all" checkbox at the top and select appropriate categories for the article. Update: DON'T select the article directories, only the social networking sites. 10. Then click on "Start!" 11. If border turns yellow, it wants you to enter the captcha and press "Continue". Use the "pause" feature at the top if you can't enter the captcha easily. 12. Once submission report comes up click on "Save report" and save it somewhere. 13. Now click on "Send to pinger". Then click on "Start pinging!" and wait for the pinging to finish. 5. Submitting social bookmarks and RSS feeds. 1. Click on "social bookmark nuke" tab. Click on "use sites from last social network nuke submission". 2. Change setting: Bookmark 2 random websites. 3. Copy title and tags from social network nuke to social bookmark nuke. 4. Type a small one or two sentence description. Something like: Ever wanted to know who that certain cell phone number belongs to? Then check this out. 5. Select all websites, choose a Digg and Propeller category, and click Start! 6. Make sure you have about 6 browser windows running at the same time by clicking the "New browser" button repetitively. Then click on "Tile Vertically" So that you can see all the windows. 7. Every time a window turns yellow, click on "Pause" at the top to stop everything and enter the captcha. Then press continue. After entering all the captchas, press Unpause. 8. Wait for all windows to turn blue. 9. Click on "Rss nuke" tab. 10. Copy tags over, change setting to submit 2 RSS feeds. 11. Click on "use RSS feeds from last social network nuke submission." Make sure all the websites in the website list have to do with your keyword. 12. Select all the websites, choose categories, and hit Start! 13. If border turns yellow, enter captcha, and do everything else like you did before. Wait for all windows to turn blue. ALL DONE! One final step: Go into social network nuke, save project. Now wait about 1 week to start seeing affiliate sales in your clickbank account. Rinse and repeat More in next post...
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