Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by l23bc

terry this is a great read on here without any bells and whistles you see on some other people's posts, i really like what you are doing, i actully copied one of your tactics on the feedage part to directory on the early page and now my site i used (which is in my sig link)has beaten 44 million webistes on 2 certain keywords, also have backlinked this month with a few warriors help like gang-buster's and just got outscourced up to 1,500 links a month also.

without your help by this post i'd still be in the dark ages of seo so thank you for this infomation you hold on here you have helped me quite alot

andy

Cool Andy - awesome.

Even though SEO seems unfathomable at the beginning, just persisting and learning all the little skills involved (like IM generally) will eventually deliver results.

Persistence is everything.

Even though I once (in)famously wrote a linkbait post on another forum provocatively entitled, "Why SEO is a complete waste of time for your business" - don't worry, I got loads of really vicious responses, I actually now regard it as the MOST important skill in IM.

I did actually have a pretty good argument in that post even if it was a bit mischievous.

Many IMers and Warriors will argue - with merit - that copywriting is THE fundamental skill to focus on first in IM.

Here's why I politely disagree.

As we know from some of the absolute trash #1 sites on Google, quality content does not matter at all - for ranking.

Of course it does matter for conversions, CTR etc BUT not for SERP ranking.

Google does not and logistically cannot manually evaluate the quality of all sites in its index.

Instead, Google uses mathematical formulae to figure out who the winner is SERP-wise.

You may write with the flair of Shakespeare, Tarantino or Vonnegut but nobody will ever read it IF they CANNOT find you. Even a rubbish site with loads of traffic will make some accidental sales or at least some AdSense money. But a brilliant site without traffic and without high SERP rankings is dead in the water. In my opinion.

SEO first, then work on the writing. I started doing the opposite and went absolutely nowhere.

Worst of all, failing to see any or much reward for the big time investment of super-high quality content can do something far more damaging: crush your ability to keep going!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by JDCopper

Still lovin this thread Terry. Note to those of you who have chimed in on whether or not the domain name is relevant / worthwhile / important, please let me point out that it is your title tag that is winning that keyword, not your domain name. If you want to test it, change your title tag to something else and see if you still rank there after a month. Even better, change another site you have to use that title tag and watch it out rank the one with the domain name, but not the title tag.

Right on JD. You would need to have a special kind of rocks in your head to NOT have your keyword in the Title!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by oZestretch

This has been a great read so far...

One thing about the keyword in domain... I think it is a MUST HAVE when you are not doing much of anything else.

If you have little or no unique natural backlinks, then it proves to be a savior!

Why/How can I say this?

I own the #1 rank for this search... I have (I am pretty sure) zero backlinks from unique IP's) The only links I am aware of are from other domains on same IP

Of course, try altering the order of the words and my site disappears from the ranks. But a half dozen people each day click on me from that search term around the world (shame I keep postponing the release of the product.... oops sorry).

You will notice the other 2 do not have it in root domain/sub domain or folder or even page name. Also Mine is not a .com... the dreaded .net (but that is a separate debate)

So yes, do all of them if you can (but can't always get keywords in root domain without going with a crazy long domain name ).

My 2.2 cents (damn GST)

Thanks for sharing Oz.

I do genuinely hope your venture there succeeds.

I took a look at traffic for that exact term and it is very low - 12 for September in Australia and 880 globally.

However, I don't say this to discredit your ranking Oz. In fact, a small traffic number can be VERY lucrative when targeted effectively. Eben Pagan once said your niche might only have 8 people in the world BUT those 8 might be VERY hungry for material and a good living can be made from them.

Allen Says (founder of the Warrior Forum if you don't know!) has mentioned in the War Room how he happily pays THOUSANDS of dollars for specialised types of short reports.

Food for thought huh?

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by esh

Terry,
Did you use xrumer program to create those 12000 backlinks overnight? 'cause i heard people say its a spam tool that goes around creating links on all types of forums, blogs, guest books, photo galleries etc and can create 30,000 backlinks in 6 hrs. But the tool is expensive at $540!

Regarding, backlinking platform that's on your mind, if you get to do one, i will be your first customer

Hi E,

I didn't use XRumer (don't know that program).

I used a service from fellow Warrior Dan Tierney and Steve Morgan from Simple Leveraging System.

Here's a video link of the process:
http://simpleleveraging.com/promotions/videos/seoslsstyle091019.mp4

I purchased 1200 links for $100 with an additional 10 tags for each link with a maximum potential of 12000 links. Hopefully the video explains the process.

This was on a brand new GoArticle in the same niche. I'll report its ranking progress.

If I get sustained ranking position from it on that GoArticle, I'll blitz a few more of my sites with it.

The big question mark for this process (it's good to think about the downside of ANY approach you use and try to work around it) is whether Web 2.0 properties can deliver STABLE high rankings and ultimately, even if there are 12000 backlinks, they 'only' come from 400 sites, not 12,000 different sites...

Let's see!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by J smith

Great thread Terry, lots of great info here.

As for goarticle's signature box not delivering any hops, I find GA's ctr for the resource box is horrible compared to other 2 article directories I use. We are talking like 10% of EA's ctr for the exact same article. Not sure why it is that way, but that's been my experience with GA.

I am curious how you are going to make 15000 links

Interesting J and it's knowing those little details (e.g. which article directories do have good CTR AND conversion from the Bio Box) which can make a MASSIVE difference in IM.

See my previous post for those thousands of links.

[bayusyerli]

I wonder how the result.. by the way, this is my first posting.. Hope i can learn to get great traffic at this forum..

[capone2009]

bayusyerli, welcome, you are just at the right place

Terry, this thread is really great, I also subscribed to your newsletter.
It is really cool to have someone to test all the different things in case of seo.
Thanks for this, really appreciate your efforts

[Rachel Zaouche]

Hi Terry

Thank you so much for this great thread. I am learning loads and cant wait to see what your end result is. I have also subscribed to your newsletter.

All the best

Rach

[tijay]

Thanks so much for this awesome thread! I visit everyday for updates.

Question: Is there a link or a thread where we may be able to order the same 1200 links that you have ordered?

"I purchased 1200 links for $100 with an additional 10 tags for each link with a maximum potential of 12000 links. Hopefully the video explains the process."

TiJay

[samcarson]

Terry, I saw the video but could not find a link to order those 1200 backlinks, I will appreciate if you can post the WSO

Thanks

Sam

[spaxton1]

Terry,
I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

Also, can you tell us what your thoughts are on the following:
1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter? Some say doing option one will create a footprint that google may someday detect and in turn penalize or filter those links. On the other hand, some say to stick with specific keywords only and to not waste valuable linking juice on non-optimized keywords.

I'd love to see what you think about this... and other warriors too!

P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!

[esh]

hey tijay and sam,

here is their order link -> http://simpleleveraging.com/promotions/signup.html

[jcbradley]

here are my thoughts.. better to add modifiers to your main keyword... ie.. dog training also use... buy dog training..dog training online.. just do keyword research and see what people are typing before and after your main keyword phrase. these are usually very easy to rank for. i have one site where i have #1 rankings for over a dozen different variations. ive also have top 3-4 rankings on reversal of keyword... training dog.

i know alot of people say to create a new page for training dog but i stumbled upon this when i started to see that kw rise in the rankings when i started to get links for the main phrase so i then started to get more backlinks with the reverse order and it started to rise again. havent got the #1 for that reversal yet but doing a test and see if it works.

chris

Originally Posted by spaxton1

Terry,
I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

Also, can you tell us what your thoughts are on the following:
1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter? Some say doing option one will create a footprint that google may someday detect and in turn penalize or filter those links. On the other hand, some say to stick with specific keywords only and to not waste valuable linking juice on non-optimized keywords.

I'd love to see what you think about this... and other warriors too!

P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!

[turbohips]

I'm still surprised to find that you are getting the best results from the cheapest WSO program being the non related back links for your SERP results. This is such great info so that people aren't jumping at any chance to waste money with certain programs. I do feel that after running my own experiments that perhaps 60 days isn't enough time to do what you're trying to accomplish. I'm sure that your results will have a huge difference after some more time.

[spaxton1]

Seems awfully quiet around here... is this thread still active?

[turbohips]

he might be working on his new WSO release.

[Terry Kyle]

Sorry about delay in updating - lots of new things going on and different things to share.

Before I do all that, let's have a quick look at the latest CB Analytics:

Now SENuke which has gotten its article to a seemingly stable #6 on Google so far has chimed with a sale from just 5 hops. Nice.

Interestingly that has come from the link WITHIN the body of the GoArticle.

GoArticle 1 is snoozing on Page 3 at the moment so not really delivering the hops.

GoArticle 2 (Relevant Links Only) - the biggest disappointment so far - has only just been indexed FINALLY and is not in the top 10 pages of Google for its search term. It has about the same number of backlinks now as GA #1.

The new WP blog is still nowhere except at #31 on Live (I'm using RankChecker for that measurement).

Test 7 has brought in 1 hop so far but there's more to that as will be discussed below.

Now 1 sale from 5 hops seems really promising but this may have been a fluke and might not be sustained but it does suggest that money can be made from low traffic. If it can deliver that sort of result consistently from a #6 position, it should be doing really well at #1.

In fact, if that GoArticle was not a part of this experiment, I would now be throwing every possible backlinking resource I could at it!

One quick other point I want to add is this:

If you are struggling to find new angles for different articles in the same niche, consider these approaches (as I partly did in this test as you will see later in the experiment):

(1) a straight, formal, factual, informative article with clearly defined SPECIFIC problem/s and SPECIFIC solution/s (Eben Pagan is brilliant on this point!);

(2) a first-person narrative of a character who has solved their problem using the CB vendor's product BUT try to keep it real-ish and make her/him quite skeptical;

(3) Write from the perspective of the VILLAIN e.g. a cheating husband glad that his wife doesn't know about reverse phone lookup and will never check his cell; or from the perspective of a panic attack and give it a mischievous persona;

(4) An advice column response with the 'letter' and the agony aunt response;

(5) a Q & A of a leading 'expert' or doctor on a subject (with bolded questions and unbolded responses).

Plus, any other different format from a magazine or newspapers.

To be honest, I'm not sure how these fit with these new FTC regs in the US but hopefully that's given you some food for thought.

Answers to questions (I'll try to get every last one answered in this session) in the next post/s here!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by spaxton1

Seems awfully quiet around here... is this thread still active?

You betcha.

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by turbohips

he might be working on his new WSO release.

My new SEO Masterclass audio interview series - more on that soon Bruce...er TurboHips (should I ask?)!

Terry,
On a side note to this email I would suggest that people create the accounts and post a few comments and wait a few weeks for the posts to fall off of radar. Once it has then add your signatures to the profiles and they will now show up without risking getting booted by the moderators. This is something that I practice and I haven't been booted yet. Hope that helps.
Turbohips

Indeed Bruce - I do recommend that in my Report but that 'Forum Clustering' technique I recommended to my subscribers yesterday is trying to get around that hassle.

Thanks for joining in!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by turbohips

I'm still surprised to find that you are getting the best results from the cheapest WSO program being the non related back links for your SERP results. This is such great info so that people aren't jumping at any chance to waste money with certain programs. I do feel that after running my own experiments that perhaps 60 days isn't enough time to do what you're trying to accomplish. I'm sure that your results will have a huge difference after some more time.

See above for the latest TH and I do recommend a 3-month 'timetable of expectation' with backlinking.

I'm happy to continue documenting the results into a third month to be (sort of) fair to the later 'secret' tests too.

Party on!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by jcbradley

here are my thoughts.. better to add modifiers to your main keyword... ie.. dog training also use... buy dog training..dog training online.. just do keyword research and see what people are typing before and after your main keyword phrase. these are usually very easy to rank for. i have one site where i have #1 rankings for over a dozen different variations. ive also have top 3-4 rankings on reversal of keyword... training dog.

i know alot of people say to create a new page for training dog but i stumbled upon this when i started to see that kw rise in the rankings when i started to get links for the main phrase so i then started to get more backlinks with the reverse order and it started to rise again. havent got the #1 for that reversal yet but doing a test and see if it works.

chris

Great input Chris - as usual!

In keyword research (not my favourite part of IM), I usually skip straight to 3, 4 and even 5 word EXACT keyword phrases.

In my experience, 1 or 2 word phrases are usually just too competitive (though I'm at #5 on Google for my Amazon book on "photography competitions") but that's more the exception than the rule.

Reverse order is an interesting tactic and I'm sure Chris checked out the search volume to justify going after that term.

Misspellings are another fertile avenue of keyword research and don't forget that Google treats singular and plural versions of the same keyword as different terms e.g. red ferrari and red ferraris are considered two different terms (but from memory Yahoo treats them as one).

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by spaxton1

Terry,
I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

Also, can you tell us what your thoughts are on the following:
1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter? Some say doing option one will create a footprint that google may someday detect and in turn penalize or filter those links. On the other hand, some say to stick with specific keywords only and to not waste valuable linking juice on non-optimized keywords.

I'd love to see what you think about this... and other warriors too!

P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!

I'm just curious if you can give a report on the number of backlinks posted on each of the 4 tests and their current serps rankings and opinions concerning their rank, etc.

Covered some of this above SP but will put that together pretty soon in a table of some sort.

1) Is it better to place all backlinks with the exact anchor text: "Keyword" i.e. "Dog Training"
2) Is it better to switch up the anchor text so that it looks more natural? Even if you are trying to rank for a specific keyword. i.e. "Dog Traning" for 20 links "Dog Books" for 5 links "Dog Education" 5 links.

It seems that there is confusion on this. In your opinion does it matter?

Good question and a topic of hot debate in SEO circles. In my SEO Masterclass interview with Andy Fletcher this morning - awesome discussion by the way, he's a cool guy, but more on that soon - he expressed the view that the same anchor text for all links is fine for low competition keywords.

With higher competition keywords, he believes that 'natural' variation should be present.

I normally recommend sticking with your exact anchor text and if you check high ranking sites across a bunch of niches, you will see that they have followed this strategy. However, other high ranking sites do not and vary their anchor text significantly.

Far from saying that the anchor-text-variators are 'wrong' (they're ranking so they are clearly not wrong), I have been really happy with my anchor-text-exact approach results so far and will stick with that until it ceases to be effective.

If Andy Fletcher is right, then exact anchor text backlinks are fine BECAUSE I feel that at the level of IM we are at, we should only be going after low-ish competition keywords.

This might sound like a lack of ambition but it's just the easier path to money in IM.

Yes I could go after 'weight loss' with its 300,000 exact match searchers a month but I have to beat some HEAVYWEIGHT players on that exact keyword to get any money out of it. That would take major effort, time and money.

What you can also do is create different variations of anchor text that ALL contain the unbroken keyword phrase e.g.

Keyword phrase: cheap stereo deals

Anchor text variations: best new cheap stereo deals, cheap stereo deals today, check out these cheap stereo deals etc.

P.S. Thanks for doing the project! I've been glued to it since day one-- yup, subscribed to the newsletter too!

Good stuff! Have you tried that Forum Clustering technique I talked about yesterday? Tell me when you do and the results you get!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by samcarson

Terry, I saw the video but could not find a link to order those 1200 backlinks, I will appreciate if you can post the WSO

Thanks

Sam

Esh kindly answered this one. Thanks E.

By the way, you don't have to flog only GoArticles either (which I'm SO guilty of) - I am seeing Buzzle and Articlesbase ranking pretty well now too on Google. Just keep in mind that these are vulnerable properties unlike your own website.

Articlesbase may require a redirect from a page on a domain you own to the CB vendor (no direct aff links) but just create a new page on an existing site of yours with a 1 second redirection and call the new page file your keyword.

Let me know if you want the HTML code for that and I'll post it here.

If they insist on just a top level domain, get one of those cheap .info deals (EZA users will be familiar with this approach).

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Rachel Zaouche

Hi Terry

Thank you so much for this great thread. I am learning loads and cant wait to see what your end result is. I have also subscribed to your newsletter.

All the best

Rach

Thanks Rachel - you should also try to create (where technically possible) little Link Cascades with that Forum Clustering approach too. I don't think I mentioned that in my haste to write that last newsletter. Shame on me!

[arttse]

Hi Terry

Great thread.

If you set up a blank page so that you can redirect users to your affiliate site can you get backlinks on your website (blank page) if you build backlinks via article marketing using anchor texts?

If so, do you have any tips how to optimise your blank page to avoid being sand boxed by google?

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by LilBlackDress

Yes please ....we all want to know your usual backlinking strategy

Sorry I missed this one LBD...though after I tell you, I will have to kill you...

Better still, I'll share SOME pretty fundamental ones and let you live...

[1] Exact anchor text backlinks only

[2] On a website (not article), I install a WP blog in a subfolder from main domain and then backlink ONLY to one WP inner page for ONE keyword term (change the WP settings to 1 post per page)

Why?

Because this gives me a shot at a 'double listing' as quite often both inner page AND homepage are bracketed by Google e.g.

[3] Hit a keyword term with MULTIPLE backlinked Web properties at once to lock up more of the screen real estate e.g.

- Money site
- GoArticle
- YouTube video
- Metacafe video
- Blogger blog
- Ezinearticle

Now to be honest, many of my secondary sites have fallen off Page 1 (apart from the Money Site) over the past month or so because of my lack of backlinking of them but I can rebuild them by not being so lazy with them.

This approach obviously grabs more traffic but blocks out competitors too.

[4] I do not bother at all with backlinks from Blog Commenting. Bloggers are sick to death of linkspammers and IF your link is approved, will it stand up to the webmaster/blogger 'tidying up' one day and getting rid of those spammy links?

[5] I do not write endless (unbacklinked) articles hoping and praying that somehow one of them will become virally popular.

Instead, I write just a few and backlink them all like there's no tomorrow (but keep doing it for a MINIMUM of 3 months).

Any unbacklinked web property you own is either dead in the water or about to start fading out. Real authority sites have and keep getting backlinks so your should too.

There's other stuff I do but that should get you real results IF your 'timetable of expectations' is realistic.

By the way, if you want to join my free SEO Notes newsletter and can't find the link, it's here.

I'll talk more shortly about a change in Test 7 and my correspondence with Steve Morgan from Simple Leveraging - very helpful guy by the way.

Tomorrow I'll talk more about my SEO Masterclass Interviews which kicked off with a 2 hour discussion of the latest SEO tactics, techniques and shortcuts with Andy Fletcher from www.backlinkflood.com this morning (I've read his SEO Guide, it's very good too!)...

More coming soon and good to be back!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by arttse

Hi Terry

Great thread.

If you set up a blank page so that you can redirect users to your affiliate site can you get backlinks on your website (blank page) if you build backlinks via article marketing using anchor texts?

If so, do you have any tips how to optimise your blank page to avoid being sand boxed by google?

Hiya A,

Thank you.

This redirect page should NOT be backlinked at all. It is just a means of observing ArticlesBase's (which I need to try to confirm all this) TOS and getting your prospect to the CB vendor's page with your hoplink ID.

Though I don't use any redirects at the moment (such as from EZA to a .info page that automatically redirects to a CB hoplink), in theory it shouldn't be a problem if thousands of EZA articles use .info redirects.

These .info (or .com or .net or .org but .info domains are much cheaper) redirect pages may have some content there but the redirect is completely obvious to Google.

However, I'd love to hear from the EZA veterans here on their views because it just isn't something I normally use (it is not an issue with GoArticles).

Not sure if I fully answered your question there A so rephrase it if I didn't get it - could be my body's need for coffee messing with my mind!

[esh]

Thanks terry for the Andy Fletcher's guide recommendation. I just purchased his Backlinkflood.com and hope to value from it

[esh]

i just wanna tell this - i researched 100 keywords based on micro niche finder and market samurai for 19 different niches on clickbank. Ordered 100 articles, which are getting done from humanrewriter.com. Once i have them all, i submit to goarticles direct linking to vendor site.

i create a feed using feedage html to rss converter for all 100 articles and submit them with rssbot.

i then submit all the 100 links to 2500 (25 sites x 100 accounts) social bookmarking accounts i have using social bot. Feed Blitz 'em all with rssbot!

Then create 50 links from angela's backlink packets of PR8-9 sites. I already created 950 (19 profiles x 50 sites) accounts using seolinkdominator tool. Used http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/gen-random-us-us.php to generate all the profile info for 19 profiles.

grab the feed and submit using rssbot.

create 100 link wheels using senuke. Bookmark all the links and grab all the feeds and submit using rssbot.

Grab the entire feedlist and create a gaint feed out of it using yahoo pipes and submit them again. I am done now! That's a setup phase.

from that month onwards, i create 90 links each month for all the articles. Till i get on first 3 spot, and then continuing the process to maintain the ranking.

if all articles make 1 sale @ $20 average commission, i hope to make $2000 with $500 investment! If this becomes a recurring income say $1000 a month, i can then repeat the process till i make $100 a day. These are short - medium term capital gains.

I also own a site that i backlink using james martell's PAD technique that is the long term income stream, which i aim to make $100k in a year!

That's all what i am working on now lol. This thread inspired me to make such plans and hence i am giving it back to the community!

Hope this post helps!

i will update my earnings details in this thread

Best,
Esh

[J smith]

Guess Terry has inspired me too!

Wrote a GoArticle with a clickbank affiliate links in it. Going to put up 50 backlinks to it every week, as well as some blog commenting (though the niche isn't really inviting to blog commenting) and a link wheel or two. See how it ranks (it is a rather competitive niche with competitive keyword) and I'll keep you updated on my progress!

So far google doesn't wantto index it after some bookmarking and a few links.

[sgsmorgan]

Originally Posted by J smith

Guess Terry has inspired me too!

Wrote a GoArticle with a clickbank affiliate links in it. Going to put up 50 backlinks to it every week, as well as some blog commenting (though the niche isn't really inviting to blog commenting) and a link wheel or two. See how it ranks (it is a rather competitive niche with competitive keyword) and I'll keep you updated on my progress!

So far google doesn't wantto index it after some bookmarking and a few links.

Thought I might chip in with my 2 pence worth here. First of all I will declare my self interest so as not to give anyone any false ideas. I am working with Terry on one of his tests. Only spoken to Terry once and I hope it will be the first of many times as I found him to be an extremely likeable, knowledgeable and "helpful bloke" (as they say in these parts - was that OK Terry, where do I send my invoice? :-)) so I guess for any newbies looking in on this stream you will discover lots of useful information and some real nuggets so my recomendation would be to print off the entire stream and use as background notes.

For what it's worth and I have to add the caveat here that our initial results are very non scientific at the moment But I have the sneaky feeling that Go Articles is operating some sort of Filter at the moment as it is taking an inordinately and very unusally long time to get articles indexed and crawled at the moment.

Now I know this is going to be a bit of a downer for those looking at Go Articles as source of quick coverage but I think at the moment that this is not happening. I suspect that it might have something to do either with running types of affiliate links in the articles or actually running any type of affiliate link at all.

Go Articles effectively publishes straight away (or at least it does as far as its own directory is concerned) and therein I believe lies its problem. It could effectively be abused by some of the more less than scrupulous amongst this community and I think it might have been slapped or certainly been dealt with in the latest Google Update. I think this delay in the indexing as far as Google is concerned has something to do with the inclusion of certain types of links in articles or indeed it may just be a blanket delay and some form of Google downgrading.

We are looking at a number of articles that should have surfaced by now and some 12 days after publishing have still not surfaced.

There are I believe other better options around at the moment (and not just ezine articles either).

[J smith]

Yes, I'll agree with the above, GoArticles take forever to get indexedor show up in serps compared to EA or articlesbase. Also after over a hundred articles on GA none of them show up as backlinks in either yahoo's site explorer or backlinkwatcher. Not sure why it is that way.

Could be an interesting eperiment to run a similar article on EA and GA and see which one does better in the end.

[marlon]

Hey,

At your recommendation I bought Backlink Flood.

Backlink Flood and theseomethod (another warrior) are terrific. I'm glad you
recommended it.

The individual methods in it are good but I think the overall picture is gives is more important.

I see a LOT of people using ALL backlink methods DIRECT to their money site. If you're doing THAT, you need to read these products. I'm not an seo person. Affilate marketing is mostly my Game. But I have to say that I think these guys know what they're talking about.

Terry, why don't you produce an info product on your "standard" backlink method that you described. You know, create a dummy account while recording it with Camtasia.

And then maybe show some real world results of what you've done with that method over time (blurring the domain and identifying info).

I'd buy it. I imagine others would also.

I like the experiments here a lOT. And I think people would pay for the method you've already tested and proven. And maybe a little private site where you update your tweaks each month and cover new developments.

Marlon

[Andy Fletcher]

Glad you guys have enjoyed Backlink Flood

I had great fun doing the SEO Masterclass Interview with Terry. We were aiming for 30-40 minutes and ended up with something over an hour and a half.

And I just want to say props to Terry for running this absolutely awesome thread. I don't know where he finds time on top of everything else the guy does.

Cheers,

Andy

[Steve-K]

Andy,

Is BackLink Flood an automated "software" program?

Thanks,

Steve

[Terry Kyle]

Very short on time at the moment (it's Saturday night - party on!) and will respond to lots of things above BUT wanted to add this bit of extra value to the thread:

After a pretty thorough blitz, this GoArticle of mine for a term with (supposedly) 2400 unique searches a month has gotten (back) to #1 (it has been there before but neglect is a cruel master):

The link to that GoArticle is here and this is the pretty much the format I'm using for the 'secret' niche - though this article is shorter (you don't need 500 words after all?) and I don't use those makeshift arrows in those.

I'm targeting the phrase: how to deal with panic attacks

Yes, this thread is now officially turning into The Angela Experiment.

I've also added new hoplinks from the CB experiment account to this article so we can track that info there too.

Enjoy!

And thanks for the support above.

By the way, in the relevant link in my signature you can hear a free extract of about 12 minutes from my interview with Andy (it's worth listening to just that if nothing else).

[jasonmorgan]

I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news but... you were #2 on my search

Good job.

[Andy Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Steve-K

Andy,

Is BackLink Flood an automated "software" program?

Thanks,

Steve

Backlink Flood contains tons of backlink building strategies and includes software to speed up keyword research and an article spinner. But there is no automated backlink building stuff in there.

Cheers,

Andy

PS: Can I politely request that any other BLF questions are PM'd to me. I don't want Terry's ace thread getting hijacked by pre-sales questions.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news but... you were #2 on my search

Good job.

#1 for me. I am going to have to by a copycat and copy your intro external link format from your goarticles I think

[Terry Kyle]

Yep, still a little bounce between #1 and #2. Some hops starting to come through on the new CB links.

Before covering questions and issues, I wanted to discuss a kind of new SEO method I want to try out - let me stress that I haven't tried this myself yet!

I shared a cruder version of this with my free SEO Notes Newsletter subscribers a few days ago but this is more detailed (I'll CC it to them too) as I've been thinking it through in my "free time" (I gotta get a real life!).

If we are to believe that PageRank is everything for backlinks (and without it, there isn't much to go on apart from relevant sites and in this experiment, that ain't going so well), what we have to try to reduce is what I call, the PR Escalator Effect.

What on earth is that?

It's how the homepage (at the top of the 'escalator') has a PR7, the next subfolder (or 'escalator step') down is PR5, one beneath that is lower etc etc.

How can we get around that (actually I am working on a pretty good solution for it but that won't be available until Q1 2010) descending PR within a site that we are plastering our links on.

Homepage backlinks with the highest PR cost a fortune to 'rent' (hundreds of dollars per month per link from what I have seen) so for now this is the method I (or you!) am trying (apart from the usual tactics outlined above in this thread).

In the new version of my WSO (yeah yeah Terry, it still isn't ready...) which is coming, there is a PR10 forum but this should work with PR9 and PR8 forums from my 'old' WSO Report. I'll explain why their PR matters in a moment.

We are going to laser target one PR9 (or PR10 from the new report version) as a single 'Pumper Site'.

The other very high 5 forum sites (could be any number but let's keep it small and manageable) will have profile links to BOTH the pumper site AND the Money Site but NOT to each other.

It will look like this in my pretty crude bubbl.us schematic:

This approach relies on being able to put AT LEAST 2 links in the profile of the high PR 'Feeder Sites', that they all be dofollow of course and that they are publicly viewable. The URL should also NOT suggest that are profiles are 39 folders down, underneath the basement!

One weakness of this system is that if the Pumper Site account is disabled, a new one will need to be created and added - however, the small number of sites that we are working with would make that pretty fast.

The absence of 'sideways' links between the Feeder Sites is crucial (apparently) as Linkwheels (more like clusters than wheels actually) now are too easily detected by Google.

Here we are creating a mini-network of very high PR and "TrustRank" (thanks Steve from SLS for that concept) sites feeding the pumper Authority profile on a PR10 (homepage only) site.

Though I haven't tried this myself (and would love to hear from those who have), we could even hyperlink commas and full stops in the signature files of the Feeder Sites to the Pumper Site and Money Site (ultra high PR Forums are pretty sensitive to spamming - part of how they got their high PR in the first place) so this seems way safer than the good old "How To Get Your Ex Back" (sorry Travis) anchor-text backlink in a sig file on a forum about SQL programming.

By linking ONLY punctuation marks, we can then actually participate in the forum with sig link to a legitimate authority article in Newsweek/CNN etc (but the full stop/period is actually linked to our Pumper Site or Money Site (preferably both).

Participate by just asking questions - this works well (look at the Warrior Forum) e.g.

"I know this seems like a dumb question but how long should it usually take for a SQL compile to complete?

Thanks in advance"

This example assumes that the thread was about a SQL compile (if such a thing exists). Hopefully, you get the idea.

One of our secondary goals is to make that Pumper Site profile look like it belongs to a genuine expert whose profile page lives in a VERY good link neighbourhood.

Feeder sites must be indexed (of course) and have some degree of backlinking (or do they?).

I am always looking for more efficient ways of doing things and this approach might be powerful (may need more Feeder sites of course).

Now, back to the PR Escalator Effect.

To minimise that, we should start from the highest possible escalator 'first step' and you can't do much better than PR10 or 9.

If you make a fortune with this method, remember you owe me a 50% cut!

Time has run out - again - I'm afraid, but keep your questions, thoughts and contributions coming!

I'm trying to get to all the PMs, emails and posts here (I need more Virtual Assistants!)

[esh]

Another tip i would like to share here, if you find any Pr5-7 profile pages on propeller, or digg or whatever and its been inactive, contact that person and ask if they are willing to sell it. Recently i bought 5 Pr 7 profiles for $250 and its linkjuice are immense value, because as those profiles are related to your niche Eg. the owner of the profile was linking to his blog -> "Shoot potato gun upto 50 ft" (weird eg. lol) and its effective if you own a site, so you can get all the linkjuice to your properties instead for a parasite content.

Also another way to get your profile sites indexed is use a method called "whitehat url injection"
i know you are thinking about XSS exploit, which is a BlueFart, this is really not that. This is purely white hat. There was a WSO called speedy backlinks, i dont remember the link for that, but you can get it from seomy.net. What you can do is append your go articles links and profile links onto their "query" links which gets you a link. This got me about 50 links and got indexed my goarticles and profile site indexed in 2 days. But the method that wso suggest is use a url opener service which you have to manually open the url every time. But you can make it as a img tag and use a perl script to open 1000 links in 30 min.

Hope it helps

my 1.99 cents

Best,
Esh

[Charley Brown]

Terry, I like your thinking about the Forum profile... I've looked all over the PR10 websites and haven't found any such available forum... though Adobe, as well know, has a PR9 forum. Your thinking is very innovative, and surely should work well.

[Charley Brown]

Definitely interesting idea... but it is time quite time consuming to find inactive accounts..

Originally Posted by esh

Another tip i would like to share here, if you find any Pr5-7 profile pages on propeller, or digg or whatever and its been inactive, contact that person and ask if they are willing to sell it. Recently i bought 5 Pr 7 profiles for $250 and its linkjuice are immense value, because as they are related to your niche and its effective if you own a site, so you can get all the linkjuice to your properties instead for a parasite content.

Hope it helps

my 1.99 cents

Best,
Esh

[esh]

Originally Posted by Charley Brown

Definitely interesting idea... but it is time quite time consuming to find inactive accounts..

you just have to search for profiles first. Say propeller, search for propeller.com/members and then find all the profiles. See which has got the high PR and then use a perl script to scrap the number of years they have been active and when was the last comment made by them. If its been to more than 3 months and no comments you prolly must contact them

You can repeat this to other social sites

[Terry Kyle]

Quick note:

I get a lot of PMs and emails about which outsourcers I recommend for backlinking.

I use a few but my main man is fellow Warrior John Dales and his site is here.

John and his team massively over-deliver for me and are great value - treat him and them well!

It was running a backlinking blitz of my WSO sites through John that pushed my panic attack GoArticle above back to #1.

Back with more a bit later...

[jcbradley]

Hey Esh,

Good tips! will your quick indexing tip work on a ALOT of sites, im talking hundreds. i have over 800 pages where i have links but not indexed. I had someone from odesk check on over 1600 links that i have gotten over the last 6-9 months on my main 2 sites and 855 are not indexed and another 185 deleted. and those deleted were not ones that were deleted right away..i usually check the links 2-3 weeks after they were posted.

and i did search for speedy backlinks on here but not sure if i found the wso for it.

Chris

Originally Posted by esh

Another tip i would like to share here, if you find any Pr5-7 profile pages on propeller, or digg or whatever and its been inactive, contact that person and ask if they are willing to sell it. Recently i bought 5 Pr 7 profiles for $250 and its linkjuice are immense value, because as those profiles are related to your niche Eg. the owner of the profile was linking to his blog -> "Shoot potato gun upto 50 ft" (weird eg. lol) and its effective if you own a site, so you can get all the linkjuice to your properties instead for a parasite content.

Also another way to get your profile sites indexed is use a method called "whitehat url injection"
i know you are thinking about XSS exploit, which is a BlueFart, this is really not that. This is purely white hat. There was a WSO called speedy backlinks, i dont remember the link for that, but you can get it from seomy.net. What you can do is append your go articles links and profile links onto their "query" links which gets you a link. This got me about 50 links and got indexed my goarticles and profile site indexed in 2 days. But the method that wso suggest is use a url opener service which you have to manually open the url every time. But you can make it as a img tag and use a perl script to open 1000 links in 30 min.

Hope it helps

my 1.99 cents

Best,
Esh

[Terry Kyle]

Right, time for a MASSIVE catchup, review of progress and questions answered:

Originally Posted by Koncrete

I have a question I hope you can help me out with. I've been creating about 10 backlinks to 4 different articles for almost 4 weeks now. I have over 200 backlinks created and am on page 1 of google but haven't been able to get into the top 3 spots, I haven't seen any movement for close to 2 weeks even though I'm consistenly adding backlinks each day.

Is there a way to get my backlinks indexed faster? Could I copy my profile URL from the website that contains my backlinks and submit it to pingler, to get it searched quicker or will that not work. I'm not really clear on creating an RSS feed to submit to the aggregators.

Wasn't sure if the pingler idea would work just the same. I just feel like with over 200 backlinks I should be able to get in those top spots. Competition is around 200k-800k for all 4 keywords. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Tom

Hey Tom,

Finally got back to ya bro - sorry about the delay.

Definitely hit Pingler, create an RSS feed of your article BUT make sure that the new feed is VALIDATED (I show you how in previous posts on this thread).

Using your newly created RSS feed of your GoArticle, jam it into Pingler, Autopinger, Pingomatic, FeedAgg (has always done particularly well for me), FeedAge, Feedraider, Feedburner, MillionRSS and RSSBot (if you have it).

To speed up indexing of key pages, use sites like pastehtml.com, ladygaga.com, gumtree.com (their forum, for example), your own blogrolls on non-core blogs, onlywire.com, SocialBot etc etc.

You should also try this service I just came across but haven't tried:

Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics QUIT- Quick Indexing Tool

With your ranking progress, I recommend 3 things:

[1] Be patient - it's just not a straight mathematical 'arms race' betwen you and the top three in terms of backlinks. Other factors are influencing the rankings too.

With backlinking and SEO, adjust your 'Timetable of Expectations' to a 3 month period. I was watching a bit of an SENuke webinar last night and the guy running it (who knows SEN well) was really proud of getting a new site on to Page 1 in...2 and a half months!

That's why you want a bunch of sites going at once Tom.

[2] Keep backlinking consistently. You'll eventually hit the tipping point and bag that #1 spot - unless I'm already there! IF you haven't picked too big a fight.

[3] Analyse the links of the guys above you in backlinkwatch.com and see if you can get links at any of those sites.

Just keep at it Tom and be patient.

Next question now...

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by J smith

Guess Terry has inspired me too!

Wrote a GoArticle with a clickbank affiliate links in it. Going to put up 50 backlinks to it every week, as well as some blog commenting (though the niche isn't really inviting to blog commenting) and a link wheel or two. See how it ranks (it is a rather competitive niche with competitive keyword) and I'll keep you updated on my progress!

So far google doesn't wantto index it after some bookmarking and a few links.

Check the previous post for indexing help J and great work!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by sgsmorgan

Thought I might chip in with my 2 pence worth here. First of all I will declare my self interest so as not to give anyone any false ideas. I am working with Terry on one of his tests. Only spoken to Terry once and I hope it will be the first of many times as I found him to be an extremely likeable, knowledgeable and "helpful bloke" (as they say in these parts - was that OK Terry, where do I send my invoice? :-)) so I guess for any newbies looking in on this stream you will discover lots of useful information and some real nuggets so my recomendation would be to print off the entire stream and use as background notes.

For what it's worth and I have to add the caveat here that our initial results are very non scientific at the moment But I have the sneaky feeling that Go Articles is operating some sort of Filter at the moment as it is taking an inordinately and very unusally long time to get articles indexed and crawled at the moment.

Now I know this is going to be a bit of a downer for those looking at Go Articles as source of quick coverage but I think at the moment that this is not happening. I suspect that it might have something to do either with running types of affiliate links in the articles or actually running any type of affiliate link at all.

Go Articles effectively publishes straight away (or at least it does as far as its own directory is concerned) and therein I believe lies its problem. It could effectively be abused by some of the more less than scrupulous amongst this community and I think it might have been slapped or certainly been dealt with in the latest Google Update. I think this delay in the indexing as far as Google is concerned has something to do with the inclusion of certain types of links in articles or indeed it may just be a blanket delay and some form of Google downgrading.

We are looking at a number of articles that should have surfaced by now and some 12 days after publishing have still not surfaced.

There are I believe other better options around at the moment (and not just ezine articles either).

Thanks Steve. That new GoArticle is still not indexed tonight (my current high ranking GoArticles are all several months old - May 2009 I think for that #1 Panic Attacks one).

My first ArticlesBase article took about 24 hours to get approval.

I used my usual Click Here Blah Blah Blah link BETWEEN the headline and article BUT I had to use a redirect from a site page that I already own.

I didn't need to bother with a top level domain (e.g. .info) like EZA which saved a couple of bucks - just created a new redirect page for an existing site (let me know if you need the HTML code for that).

I did however screw up the formatting of the article though and had to edit and re-submit.

Once that's up and OK again in its proper form, Steve can hammer it with his SLS monster again.

I like the approach Steve is using and want to try it on well established sites of mine as well as a new one.

Remember that both ArticlesBase and Buzzle are doing pretty well in the SERPs at the moment so don't feel that you have to flog EZA and GA only - it's the results that count, not the platform.

I'll keep you posted on the ArticlesBase progress...

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by J smith

Yes, I'll agree with the above, GoArticles take forever to get indexedor show up in serps compared to EA or articlesbase. Also after over a hundred articles on GA none of them show up as backlinks in either yahoo's site explorer or backlinkwatcher. Not sure why it is that way.

Could be an interesting eperiment to run a similar article on EA and GA and see which one does better in the end.

Indeed J - many, many possible experiments to run.

Backlinks reporting is always a sample or guide - it's not exhaustive at all.

For example, this is what Yahoo Site Explorer reports on that #1 GoArticle above on Panic Attacks:

That's 1/4 or less of the actual backlinks.

I have also had sites on Page 1 with 0 reported backlinks and hundreds of ACTUAL backlinks.

Matt Cutts from Google argues that they don't want to let competitors see all of their rivals' backlinks and reverse engineer their success. Checkout his thoughts here:

YouTube - GoogleWebmasterHelp's Channel: Backlink Checking

By the way, I see MORE backlinks in YSE than in Google Webmaster Tools for my sites so Matt's claim in the video that you can see ALL your backlinks for your site there seem iffy.

Obviously, you can't use that method for GA or EZA.