Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by J smith

Yes, I'll agree with the above, GoArticles take forever to get indexedor show up in serps compared to EA or articlesbase. Also after over a hundred articles on GA none of them show up as backlinks in either yahoo's site explorer or backlinkwatcher. Not sure why it is that way.

Could be an interesting eperiment to run a similar article on EA and GA and see which one does better in the end.

Indeed J - many, many possible experiments to run.

Backlinks reporting is always a sample or guide - it's not exhaustive at all.

For example, this is what Yahoo Site Explorer reports on that #1 GoArticle above on Panic Attacks:

That's 1/4 or less of the actual backlinks.

I have also had sites on Page 1 with 0 reported backlinks and hundreds of ACTUAL backlinks.

Matt Cutts from Google argues that they don't want to let competitors see all of their rivals' backlinks and reverse engineer their success. Checkout his thoughts here:

YouTube - GoogleWebmasterHelp's Channel: Backlink Checking

By the way, I see MORE backlinks in YSE than in Google Webmaster Tools for my sites so Matt's claim in the video that you can see ALL your backlinks for your site there seem iffy.

Obviously, you can't use that method for GA or EZA.

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by marlon

Terry, why don't you produce an info product on your "standard" backlink method that you described. You know, create a dummy account while recording it with Camtasia.

And then maybe show some real world results of what you've done with that method over time (blurring the domain and identifying info).

I'd buy it. I imagine others would also.

I like the experiments here a lOT. And I think people would pay for the method you've already tested and proven. And maybe a little private site where you update your tweaks each month and cover new developments.

Marlon

Hi Marlon,

Thanks for the feedback and interesting idea.

At the moment all of my best methods are in my WSO in the sig file but the Camtasia approach could be a valuable future enhancement.

Glad you're getting value here - have you tried that Forum Cluster method I outlined above yet?

[Terry Kyle]

My ArticlesBase re-edit was approved in under a couple of hours.

Nice.

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by esh

Another tip i would like to share here, if you find any Pr5-7 profile pages on propeller, or digg or whatever and its been inactive, contact that person and ask if they are willing to sell it. Recently i bought 5 Pr 7 profiles for $250 and its linkjuice are immense value, because as those profiles are related to your niche Eg. the owner of the profile was linking to his blog -> "Shoot potato gun upto 50 ft" (weird eg. lol) and its effective if you own a site, so you can get all the linkjuice to your properties instead for a parasite content.

Also another way to get your profile sites indexed is use a method called "whitehat url injection"
i know you are thinking about XSS exploit, which is a BlueFart, this is really not that. This is purely white hat. There was a WSO called speedy backlinks, i dont remember the link for that, but you can get it from seomy.net. What you can do is append your go articles links and profile links onto their "query" links which gets you a link. This got me about 50 links and got indexed my goarticles and profile site indexed in 2 days. But the method that wso suggest is use a url opener service which you have to manually open the url every time. But you can make it as a img tag and use a perl script to open 1000 links in 30 min.

Hope it helps

my 1.99 cents

Best,
Esh

First class Esh - is the actual profile page on Digg or Propeller showing up as PR5 or PR7?

If so, there's a new business for you E, high PR Digg/Propeller broker - here and on Flippa.com!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Charley Brown

Terry, I like your thinking about the Forum profile... I've looked all over the PR10 websites and haven't found any such available forum... though Adobe, as well know, has a PR9 forum. Your thinking is very innovative, and surely should work well.

Thanks Charley.

My WSO revision with that PR10 forum and a bunch of new PR9 ones will be out by Friday for sure.

[Terry Kyle]

So let's all track the stats on our #1 GoArticle as a measure of the accuracy of the Google Keyword Tool.

That tool said that the term 'how to deal with panic attacks' gets about 2400 EXACT searches a month (in the USA) - roughly 80 a day.

The number 1 organic site in what is called the 'Golden Triangle' of a SERP page should attract between 35 and 50% of the clicks.

So the snapshot for today is:

1428 "Requests" (Views) so far. Let's see how that compares to tomorrow and how it lines up with the hops to the CB vendor.

Unfortunately, just being at #1 does not guarantee steady money (or even any money!).

We also need to consider:

[1] is it a buying keyword?

[2] is that type of site delivering quality traffic?

[3] does that CB vendor convert well or the kind of traffic coming from a certain type of site well?

[4] Is my Call To Action pulling clicks?

It is also important to note that you CAN and SHOULD alter an underperforming GoArticle as I have done many times - including the wording of the title (though keeping the original target keyword phrase).

Yes, it will drop for a few days or a week in the SERPs but it WILL come back.

[Terry Kyle]

Latest analytics from CB:

Ignore the Phone ID (this is a routine integrity check of another CB account) and deduct the first 123 hops which were for a different vendor.

[Terry Kyle]

Current ranks:

Article 1: #6 on Page 1

Article 2: Outside top 10 pages but several Web 2.0 sites used to index it with a link to it appear throughout those first 10 pages.

Article 3: Has drifted back to #14 on Page 2 at the moment but does currently have a 20% conversion of hops to sales (based on only 1 sale, of course!)

Site 4: Has not penetrated the top 10 pages of Google yet (#33 on Live).

Test 5: Secret!

Test 6: Also secret!

Test 7: SLS Test - now being run with a new ArticlesBase article over the next day or two (discussed in an earlier post)

[Terry Kyle]

Did I miss anybody or anything? Phew!

[thmgoodw]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Thanks Charley.

My WSO revision with that PR10 forum and a bunch of new PR9 ones will be out by Friday for sure.

I better rest up this week then cuz i'm gonna have one busy weekend

[John Dales]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Quick note:

I get a lot of PMs and emails about which outsourcers I recommend for backlinking.

I use a few but my main man is fellow Warrior John Dales and his site is here.

John and his team massively over-deliver for me and are great value - treat him and them well!

It was running a backlinking blitz of my WSO sites through John that pushed my panic attack GoArticle above back to #1.

Back with more a bit later...

Thank you very much Terry for that very positive comments of our linkbuilding service..A positive comment like that will energize us even more. I and my team treat our clients websites as if they are our own. We get ecstatic when the websites we build backlinks for get big jumps in the rankings. We jumped for joy when your Panic Attack GoArticle hit No. 1 in Google after several days of building backlinks to that article. Coupled with your very appreciative words, our having helped you achieve that No.1 Spot in Google make us very happy because it means that our efforts really contributed in winning the battle.

[TrafficMystic]

Terry, do you think also promoting your links via other easy indexable searches is worth doing.. ?

for example.. If I do a whois on one of my sites as follows using whoi.is as follows:

http://www.who.is/whois/trafficmystic.com/

This search will get very quickly index in google and there are 50-100 others types of site like alexa etc...

Do you think it's worth getting extra links through this type of site to your main sites, profile links and rss feeds?

I have knocked up a small app to blast these out and it's something I'm going to test or would you recommend a tactically bad move for a site?

thanks

Steve

[Koncrete]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Right, time for a MASSIVE catchup, review of progress and questions answered:



Hey Tom,

Finally got back to ya bro - sorry about the delay.

Definitely hit Pingler, create an RSS feed of your article BUT make sure that the new feed is VALIDATED (I show you how in previous posts on this thread).

Using your newly created RSS feed of your GoArticle, jam it into Pingler, Autopinger, Pingomatic, FeedAgg (has always done particularly well for me), FeedAge, Feedraider, Feedburner, MillionRSS and RSSBot (if you have it).

To speed up indexing of key pages, use sites like pastehtml.com, ladygaga.com, gumtree.com (their forum, for example), your own blogrolls on non-core blogs, onlywire.com, SocialBot etc etc.

You should also try this service I just came across but haven't tried:

Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics QUIT- Quick Indexing Tool

With your ranking progress, I recommend 3 things:

[1] Be patient - it's just not a straight mathematical 'arms race' betwen you and the top three in terms of backlinks. Other factors are influencing the rankings too.

With backlinking and SEO, adjust your 'Timetable of Expectations' to a 3 month period. I was watching a bit of an SENuke webinar last night and the guy running it (who knows SEN well) was really proud of getting a new site on to Page 1 in...2 and a half months!

That's why you want a bunch of sites going at once Tom.

[2] Keep backlinking consistently. You'll eventually hit the tipping point and bag that #1 spot - unless I'm already there! IF you haven't picked too big a fight.

[3] Analyse the links of the guys above you in backlinkwatch.com and see if you can get links at any of those sites.

Just keep at it Tom and be patient.

Next question now...

Thanks Terry greatly appreciated, I know how busy you are this gives me the extra confidence I need to keep moving forward. As for now I'm all out of questions, but I'm sure it won't last for long.

Thanks,
Tom

[Koncrete]

Wow that not having a question sure didn't last long at all. When you create your unique RSS feed for your go articles are you just submitting those RSS feeds to the aggregators or do you also submit the individual urls that you leave you backlinks on (profile page)? Do the google bots find your backlinks through the article RSS feed? Hope I explained myself clear enough.

Thanks,
Tom

[Intrepreneur]

@TerryKyle

Hey buddy. I was having success with your methods and still have rankings for a few different articles and stuff on goarticles and articelbase.

There is now a new issue and I can't seem to get past it.

Google aren't indexing any new goarticles... Are you finding the same issue?

Thanks

[sgsmorgan]

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

@TerryKyle

Hey buddy. I was having success with your methods and still have rankings for a few different articles and stuff on goarticles and articelbase.

There is now a new issue and I can't seem to get past it.

Google aren't indexing any new goarticles... Are you finding the same issue?

Thanks

I think you are right and it would be interesting to get the feedback from someone else who is publishing articles in GA without the overt inclusion of any form of advertising. We have just set up a test in the office here with a couple of "quick and dirty" articles in both Go Articles and Articlesbase and it will be intersting to see how they fare.

Both articles don't have any form of links in them at all, not even in the Author Resource box as I wanted to see how quickley they would go through the system if clean. The Articlesbase article was accepted and approved straight away and we are waiting to see if it surfaces later tonight in Google and we have had the confirmation of the article from Go Articles but again I will hold fire untill I see that one appear as well. I'll keep Terry and the others up to date as to how this goes as and when things happen but we do believe there is a filter that might be part of the latest Algorithm change running and it might be adversely affecting certain types of articles.

Steve

As of 20.29 pm GMT 3rd Nov 2009 The articlesbase article has just surface in Googles main index and that is approximately in a little under about 30 minutes so unscientific though it might be there has to be some sort of filter running. Still no sign of the GA Article though

[sherry_d]

I have three articles on Ga posted on the 23rd , 26th and 29th of October and none have been indexed.

Back to Terry

It seems you are really having much success using Angela Backlinks. Is that right?

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by sgsmorgan

As of 20.29 pm GMT 3rd Nov 2009 The articlesbase article has just surface in Googles main index and that is approximately in a little under about 30 minutes so unscientific though it might be there has to be some sort of filter running. Still no sign of the GA Article though

Aha I was right. Phew. Time to move away from goarticles and have some fun elswhere. Google obviously working on that at the moment because my last batch were all indexed and ranked in less than 2 days but this time none have even been indexed let alone ranked.

[Jayson L]

Articlebase articles seem to be getting indexed the fastest for me.

[pa2phoenix]

My goarticles are getting indexed as of right now, but it sure is taking longer. Funny thing I noticed - with a new GA account your first couple of articles seem to get indexed pretty quickly though. Just my experience

[Terry Kyle]

Before getting to questions, I wanted to give a live example of hyperlinking full stops/periods in sig files in high PR forums for my 'Forum Cluster' method outlined above.

I just created one on this forum:

Post Punk Kitchen Forums: Show us your mitts!

This one uses BB code for the signature file.

I was thinking about this method a lot more today while driving around (amazing I still remember how to drive a car to be honest!).

Instead of thinking how MANY backlinks are needed to get to #1, this is about how FEW backlinks are needed to get there!

The goal with this method I believe is accumulating a good number of VERY high PR forum memberships.

Imagine adding 2 a day for 1 month and having 60 PR8-10 forum memberships with many posts sprinkled throughout each. Clearly, that's a lot more than I talked about earlier with this method but it's WAY less than that Panic Attacks GoArticle needed to get to #1 (well over 1,000).

How?

The important elements for the Forum Cluster method I talked about above are:

[1] NO irrelevant spammy unanchored link in the profile (No link there at all)

[2] fill in some bio information tailored for the forum

[3] add a pic (though use an alias)

[4] create a sig file that fits the forum e.g. my favourite music site. (all lower case, less formal for this particular forum)

Link that sig file (except for the full stop/period) to a good REAL site - I linked to a page on Billboard.com for this forum BUT the full stop links to my Amazon sales page.

If you visit my post above, you will see that the link is pretty hard to detect.

Depending on the topic of the high PR9 forum target, you can read a couple of relevant Wikipedia pages and ask questions in popular threads.

You are just looking to build a bunch of sig file full stop links.

Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!

And six months down the track if you have a new site or two, change one or two (or add more) full stop sig links to the new site/s for a big hit of high PR link juice...especially from that forthcoming PR10 forum site!

The only big question mark for this system is how Google treats a punctuation backlink...

Next post for normal business.

Don't forget to hit the 'Thanks' Button below right is you think that method is useful to you...

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Koncrete

Wow that not having a question sure didn't last long at all. When you create your unique RSS feed for your go articles are you just submitting those RSS feeds to the aggregators or do you also submit the individual urls that you leave you backlinks on (profile page)? Do the google bots find your backlinks through the article RSS feed? Hope I explained myself clear enough.

Thanks,
Tom

Hi Tom,

I do pump the specially created RSS versions of the GoArticles through every possible RSS source.

With the profile sites, my main outsourcer John Dales pumps those into Feedage as part of his backlinking - just make sure you ask for that when getting quotes from him for backlinking jobs!

It definitely can't hurt helping the bots find you though Tom there is a big difference between being crawled and being indexed.

Getting crawled is easy but at the moment getting indexed is annoyingly erratic, as posts above show.

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

@TerryKyle

Hey buddy. I was having success with your methods and still have rankings for a few different articles and stuff on goarticles and articelbase.

There is now a new issue and I can't seem to get past it.

Google aren't indexing any new goarticles... Are you finding the same issue?

Thanks

Cool Intrep - nice!

Something's up with GA indexing at the moment as Steve rightly said above - Article 2 in this experiment took 6 weeks to get indexed despite literally hundreds of decent backlinks.

That brand new ArticlesBase article has already been indexed (under 24 hours I think).

Maybe ArticlesBase is the new GoArticles!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by sgsmorgan

I think you are right and it would be interesting to get the feedback from someone else who is publishing articles in GA without the overt inclusion of any form of advertising. We have just set up a test in the office here with a couple of "quick and dirty" articles in both Go Articles and Articlesbase and it will be intersting to see how they fare.

Both articles don't have any form of links in them at all, not even in the Author Resource box as I wanted to see how quickley they would go through the system if clean. The Articlesbase article was accepted and approved straight away and we are waiting to see if it surfaces later tonight in Google and we have had the confirmation of the article from Go Articles but again I will hold fire untill I see that one appear as well. I'll keep Terry and the others up to date as to how this goes as and when things happen but we do believe there is a filter that might be part of the latest Algorithm change running and it might be adversely affecting certain types of articles.

Steve

As of 20.29 pm GMT 3rd Nov 2009 The articlesbase article has just surface in Googles main index and that is approximately in a little under about 30 minutes so unscientific though it might be there has to be some sort of filter running. Still no sign of the GA Article though

Good work Steve - thank you.

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by sherry_d

I have three articles on Ga posted on the 23rd , 26th and 29th of October and none have been indexed.

Back to Terry

It seems you are really having much success using Angela Backlinks. Is that right?

Hi Sherry,

I used all of the sites in my WSO for that Panic Attacks article plus 120 from PJ and 30 from Angela.

They all work the same way.

See above on indexing and don't forget to try that Quick Indexing Tool from bhseo dot com I mentioned above!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jayson L

Articlebase articles seem to be getting indexed the fastest for me.

Indeed J - ArticlesBase looks promising right now (don't forget to try Buzzle too!).

[Big JP]

"Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!"

Hi Terry,

I have used this method quite alot, and used smiley faces, emotions etc. along with things like fullstops and explanation marks.

The only concern with your method above, wouldn't it be more obvious what is going on when you hover over the text?

For example, if you did use my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Then when you hover over the text it wouldn't all highlight, only the parts of it your cursor is on will apear linked, and if someone noticed that, they are likley to see all the different url's at the bottom of the screen also, and then the chance of it getting deleted gets higher, what you think?

[unlimited1]

Hi Terry,

I have used this method quite alot, and used smiley faces, emotions etc. along with things like fullstops and explanation marks.

The only concern with your method above, wouldn't it be more obvious what is going on when you hover over the text?

For example, if you did use my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Then when you hover over the text it wouldn't all highlight, only the parts of it your cursor is on will apear linked, and if someone noticed that, they are likley to see all the different url's at the bottom of the screen also, and then the chance of it getting deleted gets higher, what you think?

Hey BIG JP

When I ran my cursor over the anchor text Terry used it shows hes linked - but to a different site to his (billboard) only when sitting the cursor on the fullstop at the end does it show his site link ..... so all looks like a normal link and for me it may be a good answer to some of my relationship type keywords .

Im a little confused as to how the code would look like though to get this kind of double anchor text link. Can anybody help with that?


Thanks unlimited1

[sgsmorgan]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

The only big question mark for this system is how Google treats a punctuation backlink...

I think Google is getting a whole lot smarter that most people have even begun to imagine in their wildest dreams but this might just turn out out (for the next few months at least) to be one of the smartest strokes of genius I have witnessed in a long time (at least till they catch on).

I am impressed Sir!!!

The key thing to all of this is that it adds to the overall linking landscape to any Campaign and what people do tend to forget is that hidden in the deepest recesses of its algorithm is the factor that actually Google likes to see a linking background that is punctuated by (pun intended) by typos, misspellings etc as these all add to the overall organic nature of any type of linking Campaign. One of the easiest ways to get rumbled in any linking Campaign (God how I wish the major Advertising Agencies would spot this but they don't) is to have a Campaign that is nothing but 100% totally focussed on one Link Term (and they still wonder why they get their butts whipped by someone who is smarter and cuter).

How they will respond to a whole infusion of quotation marks remains to be seen but I think the other hidden benefit to this all is that I believe PR now has more to do with the frequency of how often a page gets crawled and to this end then this tactic is perfect.

If I could vote thanks more than once for this I would, believe me!!

[Mikedb]

Nice test.
Always interesting to see how someone else is doing.

Perhaps this helps.... I can confirm that ArticlesBase works best.
Seen that on many of my projects.

I will keep on following this thread

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by unlimited1

Hey BIG JP

When I ran my cursor over the anchor text Terry used it shows hes linked - but to a different site to his (billboard) only when sitting the cursor on the fullstop at the end does it show his site link ..... so all looks like a normal link and for me it may be a good answer to some of my relationship type keywords .

Im a little confused as to how the code would look like though to get this kind of double anchor text link. Can anybody help with that?


Thanks unlimited1

I can't paste BB code into a post here as WF runs on BB Code and turns it into a link.

Don't forget, you can always right-click and View Page Source or View Source Code and find and copy the relevant bit of code.

So, here's a picture of both BB Code and HTML Code:

ALSO: That QUIT Indexing Tool I mentioned above no longer functions in free or paid form - whoops! Sorry about that.

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Big JP

"Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!"

Hi Terry,

I have used this method quite alot, and used smiley faces, emotions etc. along with things like fullstops and explanation marks.

The only concern with your method above, wouldn't it be more obvious what is going on when you hover over the text?

For example, if you did use my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Then when you hover over the text it wouldn't all highlight, only the parts of it your cursor is on will apear linked, and if someone noticed that, they are likley to see all the different url's at the bottom of the screen also, and then the chance of it getting deleted gets higher, what you think?

Hi again JP,

Good to hear you're having success with this tactic.

Yes, by having more links to punctuation marks in your sig file increases the risk - no question about that. But by looking natural, the likelihood of a suspicious hover or even click is less likely. If it's only one full stop linked, it's a lot harder to click on the link.

The safest form of linked punctuation mark would be the full stop/period as it's lower down and less likely to get spotted.

Perhaps a safer tactic would be like this but the extra 'genuine' links would use up the character limit that couldn't be used on our real backlinks:

my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

Either way JP, as you have found, it's WAY less risky than

How To Deal With Panic Attacks

in a Porsche forum!

[Terry Kyle]

What I'm trying to get at it with this full stop backlinking method on very high PR forums is that it should be looked at as a LONG-TERM IM business asset, just like a great outsourcer, niche research tool, article writer etc.

If your sig file in 50 PR8-10 forums has 4 or 5 full stop sig file backlink 'slots', you can very quickly direct one of those almost invisible 'slots' on each forum to a new site.

And, because your links are very hard to detect, you can participate in the busiest discussion on these forums.

To use an example closer at hand, those dashes in my sig file below could be backlinked (if they could fit it in the character limit of 1000).

I love Steve Morgan''s concept of PageRank being conceived as CrawlRank so you can imagine that the Googlebots would be permanently camped on the busiest threads of PR9 forums.

That ensures that your new site will be picked up and rewarded quickly.

And, if your links are on the busiest thread, you aren't too far from the home page in terms of the PR Escalator (which is probably different to a profile page which could be buried deeper in the site).

[JamesRad]

Hi Terry

Thanks for the great info in this thread, it just shows what testing, tracking and repeating can achieve.

A question,

Have you noticed Google giving High SERP's position e.g. 1-3 for low PR, low back links but high page visit articles like on EZA for instance. They seem to outrank the likes of hubpages, weebly etc. Even if the other web2.0 have PR 2-3.

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news but... you were #2 on my search

You have always got to remember that Google works of a number of Data Centres depending on your location in the world. Not sure the exact numbers and how that effect searches in US but being based in the UK I know that if I am researching US I always ensure I use a US Proxy.

Originally Posted by sgsmorgan

I think Google is getting a whole lot smarter that most people have even begun to imagine in their wildest dreams but this might just turn out out (for the next few months at least) to be one of the smartest strokes of genius I have witnessed in a long time (at least till they catch on).

Originally Posted by sgsmorgan

I believe PR now has more to do with the frequency of how often a page gets crawled and to this end then this tactic is perfect.

I just wanted to repeat the Quote above from sgsmorgan because I believe that it holds a lot of weight in these statements.

Always remember that Google are pretty clever at Search Engine Algorithms and what they tell you isn't always exactly right I am sure.

I follow Matt Cutts Blog and Videos quite closely, but always think deeper then the surface of what he is telling you.

Google after all are the Biggest Brand in the Word above the likes of Coke Cola, Mcdonalds, Nike etc.

Just though I would add my thoughts.

Once again thanks for the thread Terry.

James

[Big JP]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Hi again JP,

Good to hear you're having success with this tactic.

Yes, by having more links to punctuation marks in your sig file increases the risk - no question about that. But by looking natural, the likelihood of a suspicious hover or even click is less likely. If it's only one full stop linked, it's a lot harder to click on the link.

The safest form of linked punctuation mark would be the full stop/period as it's lower down and less likely to get spotted.

Perhaps a safer tactic would be like this but the extra 'genuine' links would use up the character limit that couldn't be used on our real backlinks:

my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

Either way JP, as you have found, it's WAY less risky than

How To Deal With Panic Attacks

in a Porsche forum!

Hi Terry,

Yes this method is alot less risky, and I have only used it like you mentioned with 1 full stop at the end etc. and I think that is the best way to use it.

my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

That method would be a good way to include multiple "sneaky links" and would be way safer than using:

my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

For reasons I metioned in above post.

If you get a bit creative with this, it can be used in all kinds of places in many different ways, for example, I have been very cheeky and left smiley faces as anchor text on blog comments, and got away with some nice extra link juice

By the way, I'm loving your "Forum Clustering" idea, that could prove to be a very powerful tactic, thank you for sharing.

JP

[Terry Kyle]

Good evening!

I'll come back to James, JP and Steve 'TrafficMystic' Hawkins shortly but first I need to fuflil an earlier promise to document an elance job from start to finish.

Normally for a job like this I would use my backlinking rockstar John Dales, but this is the most typical example of an elance job I could think of:

Backlinking Angela and PJ's monthly (November 2009) packets - 150 in all, 30 from the lovely Angela and 120 from Paul.

This is the first part of the process where I place the free ad on Elance (including the exact ad copy) and then wait for bids (I'll do screen grabs of those stages as they happen too).

Usually, bids will start coming in within minutes and I will choose a bidder in the first few hours (24 hours at the latest).

Don't necessarily go for the lowest bidder - trust your gut instinct and ask questions.

Normally I would place an additional sentence in my elance ad like: If I am happy with your performance on this project, I will continue to use your backlinking services for a long time in the future.

I left that out here because it wouldn't be true - I have John Dales mainly doing mine.

You can go and see this job live at elance now if you want to - I just created it there.

OK, here we go with all the EXACT steps (assuming you have created a free account at elance.com - there are many other services too but I find elance pretty good):

Next post for questions etc...

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by TrafficMystic

Terry, do you think also promoting your links via other easy indexable searches is worth doing.. ?

for example.. If I do a whois on one of my sites as follows using whoi.is as follows:

trafficmystic.com Whois - traffic mystic - Who.is

This search will get very quickly index in google and there are 50-100 others types of site like alexa etc...

Do you think it's worth getting extra links through this type of site to your main sites, profile links and rss feeds?

I have knocked up a small app to blast these out and it's something I'm going to test or would you recommend a tactically bad move for a site?

thanks

Steve

Hey Steve,

Good to hear from ya and sorry I missed this post earlier.

It doesn't sound bad at all - I personally I haven't used that whois trick but I see it mentioned a bit in SEO circles.

Let's try it out because indexing seems weirdly erratic at the moment which could be site specific e.g. my new ArticlesBase article was indexed in under 24 hours, a new WP-based site in 2-3 days but Article 2 (a GoArticle) for this experiment took 6+ weeks!

Also, I checked a few Buzzle articles and there don't seem to be ANY links out of them INCLUDING the Bio Box. Huh? Amazines could be worth a look too.

Though there might not be a full-on Google Slap on GoArticles going on right now as I have other GoArticles doing pretty well (older ones), the big G is being a bit funny about some new GoArticles.

[marlon]

Hi,

You've probably read Brian Clark at copyblogger.com. I have a lot of respect for Brian. Of course, there's room in the world for more than one approach or opinion.

Brian is a huge advocate of getting links simply by posting stellar "pillar" articles that are basically link bait. Much like the quality of what Terry is posting here.

If those articles and posts he's posting here were on a web site, I'd think it'd get inbound links.

It'd be interesting to test a really strong pillar article on an existing blog to see if it generates inbound links like Brian feels it will.

I have to be honest. I think I post some very high quality articles and content on my blog. And Google doesn't show that many inbound links.

I find that a little disappointing. I'm thinking of changing the format of my blog and how I post my articles. Except I kinda like it the way it is.

The question is, can pure content that is high quality attract links and give Google the "natural" juice it claims to crave?

Marlon

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Big JP

Hi Terry,

Yes this method is alot less risky, and I have only used it like you mentioned with 1 full stop at the end etc. and I think that is the best way to use it.

my favorite porsche article. my favorite porsche images. my favorite porsche model.

That method would be a good way to include multiple "sneaky links" and would be way safer than using:

my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

For reasons I metioned in above post.

If you get a bit creative with this, it can be used in all kinds of places in many different ways, for example, I have been very cheeky and left smiley faces as anchor text on blog comments, and got away with some nice extra link juice

By the way, I'm loving your "Forum Clustering" idea, that could prove to be a very powerful tactic, thank you for sharing.

JP

I've had a couple of extra thoughts about this Forum Clustering-Pucntuation Backlink method (gotta find a sexier name for it!):

1. This is possibly the future of backlinking on forums.

As webmasters get savvier and forum software companies take more and more steps to combat spam, having fully keyworded anchor text links in signature files will eventually become less and less possible.

One solution is this method of backlinking punctuation which could just look like a sloppily created backlink to Google (for a while at least - until someone from Matt Cutts' team reads this thread!).

It's still a link though.

2. After the punctuation backlink sig files and accounts have been created (could be outsourced), hire a native English-speaking writer (plenty here on WF at good rates) to place two or three posts on the busiest threads of your 10/20/30/50 very high PR forum sites. This could be done every month or so or whenever some new sites have been linked to full stops, commas, smiley faces etc.

These will definitely get crawled and rewarded (presumably) though I would probably change the account passwords periodically unless you REALLY trust the writer.

I would instruct the hired writer to do some very brief research on the subjects in the most popular threads - Wikipedia would do - and then simply ask questions that sound intelligent, using their niche terminology.

Like blog commenting which I regard as too time consuming and too volatile to bother with, the days of the forum signature with anchor text keywords may also be numbered.

Oh and yes I am working on a killer solution for that in one of the R & D rooms inside my head!

[Muz Azar]

Great to see someone taking a scientific testing approach to this. Look forward to seeing results

[redrossero]

So now the spammers will gonna ruin Articlebase too?

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Hi again JP,

Either way JP, as you have found, it's WAY less risky than

How To Deal With Panic Attacks

in a Porsche forum!

Maybe, maybe not. I noticed your post in postpunk is gone, while others pointing to unrelated sites using normal links are still active. Of course, could be that some loser here ratted you out.

Another option instead of using punctuation marks is to link single letters in the phrase to your site.

The question is, can pure content that is high quality attract links and give Google the "natural" juice it claims to crave?

Marlon

Not if people don't know about it. People can only link to content they know about. That's why those who say people will automatically link to your stuff if you just post quality content don't know what they're talking about.

[sherry_d]

Originally Posted by redrossero

So now the spammers will gonna ruin Articlebase too?

What do you mean....In fact that will benefit articlebase coz they are getting backlinks to their site.

Terry I have been watching this thread with interest, I really dont have problems with indexing coz my site I am working on get indexed pretty much in minutes and they have a lot of backlinks from some authority site. But I have tried the method above by steve before and I guess it help with indexing but i did it on a new site and bummer those links were outranking me for a good few months when i typed website url or name....

I am not sure if this helps with indexing or if you have tried it ie social bookmarking...I just got socialbot from BigMike and such a handy tool...I am really trying to see if it will bring me any backlink juice....doubt it will be anything significant but every little bit help and I only set it once last night and everything is automated

I am interested in the 750 links you have and I am trying to find an outsourcer first plus I am waiting for the new packet today. I have managed to outsource the other packets and in addition to sites like elance and rentacoder....Its also worth looking at the digital point forum...I go under services and I then do a forum search and type angela or angela and paul and just show topics.

Loads will come up and I find they are easier to work with because they know what you want done and you can get a links done for 0.20 to 0.30.. or a little less for bulk work...I know its a little sneaky but normally I look at the person's previous post and also reviews to kind of gauge if i like working with them

Gosh I hope after all the hard work my site will come back from the google burial ground where it went hiding into after I started backlinks...now it wont even show for its unique name, its like on page 17 for a unique name...rant over

[sgsmorgan]

No, the Spammers aren't going to ruin Articlesbase because as far as running adverts in articles, Articlesbase and/or Google must be running some sort of delaying filter as the articles are certainly not being ranked as quickley as they are at other times.

For example, we managed to get a totally clean article, published and ranked within 29 minutes the other evening. In this case we didn't even use any links in the Author Resource Box (which is where all promotions should be kept in my opinion) because this was a test and we were just interested in testing the speed with which we could accomplish this task. This also works quickley when you keep adverts and promotion within the Authors Resouce Box. It might also have something to do with the fact that the Author profile we used had been in existence with Articlesbase for 4 years and had published hundreds of articles.

The other thing about Articlesbase is that all external links are now taged with the "nofollow" attribute and this is probably as a result of Google "banging on the door" and giving them a choice "Amend or be slapped" and a "slap" would be the kiss of death to an Article Directory (certainly a public one) so for those who have been using Articlesbase for the past 12 months or so then its business as usual and will be as they have done what they can do to comply with the "Big G's" wishes.

Originally Posted by redrossero

So now the spammers will gonna ruin Articlebase too?

[sherry_d]

Terry when in your new wso coming out? Is it today. Stalking you now coz I found someone to outsource the backlinks too. Ready to rock and roll

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by dollyputzu

I am trying to find a tool that will check the google rankings for multiple URLs. I am actually trying to check the rank of my EzineArticles for my specified keywords. I have a couple of hundred articles and did not want to do this manually. I would like to check my ranks maybe once a month or so; so I do not want to type everything in every month!

Hi Dolly,

The tool I use is Rank Checker for Firefox. You can get it here:

Rank Checker - Track Google, Yahoo! Search, & Microsoft Rankings Free

HOWEVER, there are certain problems with this tool (if anybody knows a better one, I'd love to hear about it!).

Problem 1: Rank Checker can't handle long URLs so let's say you have an Amazon book page (I do). You CAN'T put the URL of your page into Rank Checker, only amazon.com

That means that Rank Checker will list the highest page on Amazon for the term that you specify - whether it's yours or not!

The same goes for any ezinearticle, goarticle etc - it will only list the highest ranking page from that domain (which may or may not be yours!).

Problem 2: Rank Checker's result are usually an approximate guide and may not reflect the very latest SERP results.

I do still use it for a quick snapshot and have a pretty good idea of where my 40-50 sites are at any one time so it's still useful - just not perfect.

I also hope that you have your hundreds of articles spread across multiple accounts to reduce their vulnerability to an EZA policy change (ask Dean Shainin about this!).

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by sherry_d

Terry when in your new wso coming out? Is it today. Stalking you now coz I found someone to outsource the backlinks too. Ready to rock and roll

Patience please Sherry - I'm on it. There's a LOT of value in there and a couple of new things that could blow your mind (get some medication ready!)...

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Another option instead of using punctuation marks is to link single letters in the phrase to your site.

Absolutely! There are quite a few options here and I suspect we've both been thinking about possibilities Black Hat Cat, which is weird because I'm a dog lover!

The main constraint is the character limit you have to play with.

Another idea that occurred to me is to look at the signature files of the Top Posters on a high PR forum and mimic theirs (with backlinked punctuation of course!). It will at least give you a few ideas on looking legit.

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

I noticed your post in postpunk is gone, while others pointing to unrelated sites using normal links are still active. Of course, could be that some loser here ratted you out.

Always a danger of that in this kind of process...

[goclarkanderson]

Such a long thread!
:-|

[adamv]

Originally Posted by goclarkanderson

Such a long thread!
:-|

It's long but if you can't see the value, you're not looking very closely.