Terry Kyle’s Big 60-Day Backlink Experiment

[anwar001]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

Something I just noticed last night.

I think it was vBulletin boards (same kind of forums used here). Click on a members name in the actual forum (the place with my name to the left) and you'll see the standard 'view profile' n' such.. but.. you'll also find a 'visit members webpage' option as well.

You're not getting your keywords with this method but you are receiving a link to your site every time you make a post and this method is 100% spam free, apparently is picked up by the SE's and bypasses sites with unviewable profiles.

Opens up a lot of options for sites that I had written off as no good for backlinks.

This has got me pretty excited. Thanks for sharing this valuable observation.

[WhatTheFrenchToast]

Originally Posted by turbohips

Even better way is to be part of the forum and join tons of discussions. After making tons of post or comments go back to the forum a month later when your topics fell off the map and then add your signature to your profile. Guess what happens? All of your posts and comments will now show your linked signature and then you will get massive link juice. I've done this on 4 car forums that I've been active on for 5 years. So end results is 1000's of links from decent PR forum sites.

Now that makes sense. Just so I'm clear, all of previous postings will update to include your link in your profile? All at once? Wow. That could be impressive.

Hey..this might be a noob question but it's one I'm not entirely clear on. Do the individual posts to one forum count equally as a backlink if they are all coming from one place?

I've heard it both ways; some say a link is a link, but I've heard that at some point, all of those links from one place somehow counts less than the same number of backlinks from individual sites on separate IPs.

It's obviously working for you in the car forums. Do you see a bump in rank or traffic when you pull the trigger on forum signatures? That's an interesting slant of forum posting...suppose you could even outsource the posting too...hmmmm.

Thanks!

[agrable]

Perhaps the most important aspect of your "experiment", which I appreciate from a scientific view, is the use of a "wildcard" element. Keeps it honest.

[PSM]

Hi Terry/Mark,

Is this the backlink booster you're talking about:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-rankings.html

Because I couldn't actually see a WSO by that name.

Thanks!

[desireeaib]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Hi E,

I didn't use XRumer (don't know that program).

I used a service from fellow Warrior Dan Tierney and Steve Morgan from Simple Leveraging System.

Here's a video link of the process:
http://simpleleveraging.com/promotions/videos/seoslsstyle091019.mp4

I purchased 1200 links for $100 with an additional 10 tags for each link with a maximum potential of 12000 links. Hopefully the video explains the process.

This was on a brand new GoArticle in the same niche. I'll report its ranking progress.

If I get sustained ranking position from it on that GoArticle, I'll blitz a few more of my sites with it.

The big question mark for this process (it's good to think about the downside of ANY approach you use and try to work around it) is whether Web 2.0 properties can deliver STABLE high rankings and ultimately, even if there are 12000 backlinks, they 'only' come from 400 sites, not 12,000 different sites...

Let's see!

Hi Terry:

I'm reading and following while i get my site content in. From a previous post I gather that just having content on your site and working on making it excellent should be a priority, but not the top priority when you start. As yes I've seen sites that are junkie, don't offer much, loaded with adds, but are on P 1 of G. So I'm redoing my thinking on that and just getting my content in just making it logical and working on making the site better as I go.

Getting traffic after you have your site up and something (rateable and intelligent to your topic) on it should be the priority #1.

Okay that brings me to this post of yours. I'm am lost on several points.
1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?
2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?
3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?
4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.
5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?


Thanks
Desiree

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[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by agrable

Perhaps the most important aspect of your "experiment", which I appreciate from a scientific view, is the use of a "wildcard" element. Keeps it honest.

Value added from somebody with 5 posts.

[Tom Goodwin]

Desiree--

I guess you didn't like my answer already on your topic of article versus domain?

Note that your questions #1 and 2 are the same thing. Social bookmarking is just 1 type of backlinking.

Its fairly straightforward. Lets say that I want to target the longtail keyword "how to lose weight while sitting on the couch watching TV". I really want to get it to the top of google as fast as I can.

The fastest way to do that is by putting it as an article on one of the very top article directories and throw a few backlinks at it. This will generally get ranked much faster than trying to rank for the article on your own site.

Now, if there was a lot of volume to your keyword, OR, more likely, you were to build up more of a niche website having to do with losing weight (dealing with many articles dealing with losing weight), it would probably pay to add that article to your own website and domain, as then you won't be at the whims of the article directories. But note, you will generally need significantly more backlinks to a new domain of yours then you would if you were to put the same exact article on say, GoArticles.

I think the "autobots" are the good Transformers, right? I assume you are referring to RSSbot, which is one of several good pieces of software that distributes RSS feeds to the top aggregators. The RSS module within SENuke and the RSS module within Brute Force SEO (soon to be EVO II) are two other RSS distributors.

Originally Posted by desireeaib

Hi Terry:

I'm reading and following while i get my site content in. From a previous post I gather that just having content on your site and working on making it excellent should be a priority, but not the top priority when you start. As yes I've seen sites that are junkie, don't offer much, loaded with adds, but are on P 1 of G. So I'm redoing my thinking on that and just getting my content in just making it logical and working on making the site better as I go.

Getting traffic after you have your site up and something (rateable and intelligent to your topic) on it should be the priority #1.

Okay that brings me to this post of yours. I'm am lost on several points.
1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?
2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?
3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?
4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.
5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?


Thanks
Desiree

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[desireeaib]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Before getting to questions, I wanted to give a live example of hyperlinking full stops/periods in sig files in high PR forums for my 'Forum Cluster' method outlined above.

I just created one on this forum:

Post Punk Kitchen Forums: Show us your mitts!


The important elements for the Forum Cluster method I talked about above are:

[1] NO irrelevant spammy unanchored link in the profile (No link there at all)

[2] fill in some bio information tailored for the forum

[3] add a pic (though use an alias)

[4] create a sig file that fits the forum e.g. my favourite music site. (all lower case, less formal for this particular forum)

Link that sig file (except for the full stop/period) to a good REAL site - I linked to a page on Billboard.com for this forum BUT the full stop links to my Amazon sales page.

If you visit my post above, you will see that the link is pretty hard to detect.

Depending on the topic of the high PR9 forum target, you can read a couple of relevant Wikipedia pages and ask questions in popular threads.

You are just looking to build a bunch of sig file full stop links.

Now if you're starting to get the potential here, what if my sig file had a line like:

my two...er, three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Obviously this example is for a cooking forum BUT did you notice how I had a total of FOUR full stops and ONE comma - each one could be linked to a separate site!

And six months down the track if you have a new site or two, change one or two (or add more) full stop sig links to the new site/s for a big hit of high PR link juice...especially from that forthcoming PR10 forum site!

The only big question mark for this system is how Google treats a punctuation backlink...

Next post for normal business.

Don't forget to hit the 'Thanks' Button below right is you think that method is useful to you...

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Okay, Are you saying the following:

Each on of these are linked to a different site? And you do that in one PR 8-10 groups?

My two

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er
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three favourite thai recipes for dinner

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[warrich]

nice strategy to rank high in google

[desireeaib]

Actually I was posting questions as I went. Just finished up and got to page 8!!! So I did read it but not realizing I asked the same questions 2x.

Originally Posted by thmgoodw

Desiree--

I guess you didn't like my answer already on your topic of article versus domain?

Note that your questions #1 and 2 are the same thing. Social bookmarking is just 1 type of backlinking.

Its fairly straightforward. Lets say that I want to target the longtail keyword "how to lose weight while sitting on the couch watching TV". I really want to get it to the top of google as fast as I can.

The fastest way to do that is by putting it as an article on one of the very top article directories and throw a few backlinks at it. This will generally get ranked much faster than trying to rank for the article on your own site.

Now, if there was a lot of volume to your keyword, OR, more likely, you were to build up more of a niche website having to do with losing weight (dealing with many articles dealing with losing weight), it would probably pay to add that article to your own website and domain, as then you won't be at the whims of the article directories. But note, you will generally need significantly more backlinks to a new domain of yours then you would if you were to put the same exact article on say, GoArticles.

I think the "autobots" are the good Transformers, right? I assume you are referring to RSSbot, which is one of several good pieces of software that distributes RSS feeds to the top aggregators. The RSS module within SENuke and the RSS module within Brute Force SEO (soon to be EVO II) are two other RSS distributors.

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[Big JP]

Originally Posted by desireeaib

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Okay, Are you saying the following:

Each on of these are linked to a different site? And you do that in one PR 8-10 groups?

My two

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er
,

three favourite thai recipes for dinner

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Hello,

Just to confirm your question, YES that is correct.

Then each post you make in the forum will give a link to each of the sites you used with the hyperlinked text/punctuation mark.

However, Keep in mind that the example Terry gave was just that, an EXAMPLE. There are many ways you can use this kind of strategy, but some will be more risky than others, for example...

1. My three favourite thai recipes for dinner.

Would be safer than...

2. My two...er,three favourite thai recipes for dinner

Simply because in example 2. there are more breaks in the Hyperlink, so when someone hovers part of it, only that part will actually highlight, which will raise eyebrows.

In my first example you could hyperlink... My three favourite thai recipes for dinne + r + .

Which would leave less links than example 2, but would decrease the breaks in the hyperlink, and also the risk of what you're doing being noticed.

I'm sure you get the drift, and can think of many other ways to be sneaky yet stealthy, just be creative.

Hope that helps

JP

[Terry Kyle]

Interesting PM (I have added Test 5 to Jonathan Leger's Postswapper system yesterday):

Originally Posted by Conrad C King

Hi Terry;
Might be of interest to you might not,
Ran a little test of my own different method,
Purchased a domain in loan area niche 20 days ago
slammed up WP blog with a few PLR articles let it sit till last week, signed up for a beta test of Jon Leger's new blog linking site postswapper and purchased Steve Fullman's
Wp Unique WSO. The darn thing went from non existent to #1 out of 3,400,00 in about a week....The actual time was less the a week. Google tells me it went to #1 on the 10th i added it to post swapper on the 7th and 1st used Wp-Unique on it on the 8th. I am going to do a littlte more onsite SEO and hammer it with some articles and backlinks from a different source and see if I can move it up with the big boys in the niche.

Still catching up on report updates...

[Terry Kyle]

The beauty of a linked smiley (I really owe JP on this one) is that an image is created without anchor text - and that would look pretty normal to Google I would think i.e. lots of sites have images without anchor text but links elsewhere.

Very cool!

You could also look at just linking a syllable in a long phrase and the examples above tried to make the link text look relevant to your niche but still semi-concealing the link.

[Terry Kyle]

I gotta couple of Squidoo lenses tailgating my Panic Attacks article - so am firing SENuke at my GoArticle...

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by desireeaib

Hi Terry:

I'm reading and following while i get my site content in. From a previous post I gather that just having content on your site and working on making it excellent should be a priority, but not the top priority when you start. As yes I've seen sites that are junkie, don't offer much, loaded with adds, but are on P 1 of G. So I'm redoing my thinking on that and just getting my content in just making it logical and working on making the site better as I go.

Getting traffic after you have your site up and something (rateable and intelligent to your topic) on it should be the priority #1.

Okay that brings me to this post of yours. I'm am lost on several points.
1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?
2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?
3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?
4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.
5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?
Thanks
Desiree

Hiya D,

1) People seem to be backlinking articles vs. their site, why is that?

Depending on the particular article directory, it can respond much more quickly than a 'normal' website. However, as this experiment is showing, new GoArticles seem trickier to rank at the moment with Google. Older ones seem OK.

ArticlesBase could be the new GoArticles!

Another reason that IMers use so-called 'parasite hosting' is because it's free and involves much less work than a full website with Privacy Policy, sitemap, Contact page etc etc - all the things Google says we are supposed to have on a website.

There is also a perception that an article directory might give the article more weight in the eyes of a prospect than just another Revolution theme blog (I've got a few of those too!).

However, it is much more vulnerable (to policy changes at the article directory) and loses functionality (analytics, for example).

2) People seem to be bookmarking articles vs. their site, why is that?

You should do both - constantly. As you might know D, I also recommend in my WSO to 'lock up' page 1 with your backlinked pages on: YouTube, Metacafe, EZA, GoArticles, DocStoc, Zimbio etc etc for that specific Keyword.

This is a case of 'do as I say not do as I do' as I've been shamefully neglectful on this front lately.

The reasons might vary by each IMer depending on their individual rankings/earnings.

For instance, if an article is earning good money at #2 and a site is earning nothing at #9, it can make more sense to really hammer that #2 article as it's a proven converter.

This to me is the essence of IM: finding and strengthening the winners in your portfolio (and understanding WHY they're winners, more importantly), experimenting with the losers but letting them go if it just ain't happening for them (conversion/money wise).

3) I'm not understanding this RSS feed distribution over Big Mikes RSS autobot, isn't it the same thing?

RSSBot is just an automated tool (apart from manually entering CAPTCHA info where required) for putting your RSS feeds out to as many RSS directories as possible so that Google will pick up those links (I honestly can't understand the business model of these RSS directories but I'd love to be enlightened by a Warrior!).

Like blasting your video through the excellent tubemogul.com, it's just putting your links in more places for Google to find and reward.

4) I am interested in buying your backlink black belt because you say you teach HOW to find sites for backlink purposes. Long term as I build out my sites that would be a good thing to know as I have 4 main ideas for sites that go along with my interest that I would like to develop. BUT do you teach how to backlink? Meaning I think A&P do good but I found I was missing a key thing when I was backlinking from them, so I stopped for awhile and started working on my site because I didn't want to ruin the process.

Not sure what you mean by ruining the process D but I do go into all my backlinking principles in that report.

Think of backlinking your site this way:

Imagine you go to a ball in your town and the town mayor (who knows you for some reason, you went to school together, doesn't matter why) introduces you to everyone there.

The aura and authority of the mayor being 'linked' to you gives you some of her/his authority and aura.

I often call backlinking creating the illusion of authority on the web but it may be more specific than that - it is more like we are creating the illusion of a viral page/article/post on the web. Something 'going viral' on the web is a very important phenomenon on the web (think TMZ's news story on MJ's death, for example) as we are replicating that in a less explosive fashion.

Imagine if Neil Strauss wrote an amazing new article on dating or Warren Buffett posted something on his railroad investment or Cesar Millan wrote about a brilliant new technique that he had developed for aggressive dogs (he doesn't need any, the old ones work pretty well!), those articles would go 'viral' and attract links from everywhere.

That's EXACTLY the effect we're going for and why - in my experience - linking FROM an inner page of one site TO an inner page of your site looks the most natural and gets rewarded the quickest. For pure SEO purposes, I never backlink to a homepage.

Anyway, back to the 'mayor/town ball' metaphor, Google sees that a bunch of different high authority people and sites are now linking to your Yamaha snowmobile article/post so it had better recognise that your page/s are now 'going viral' across the web and bump you up the SERPs.

5) Is it better to do an article or site for backlinking? Why?

There are two schools of thought on this.

In the long run, you want to build the authority of your own sites for long-term income, to sell the site etc.

A high ranked article (which is still saleable but not as much as a 'real' site) is vulnerable to policy changes at article directories, Google algorithm changes (think 'Squidoo Slap').

My own view is to have a bunch of mixed sites (articles, own sites, videos etc) in your portfolio to sift the winners from the losers. My own sites demand a LOT more work (not much 'bum marketing' there I'm afraid) than articles BUT when GoArticles put 'bubble ads' all over their articles as they did recently, conversions went through the floor.

Hope I covered everything there D - fire in more questions if I missed anything.

Same goes for PMs. I get loads of them and do occasionally miss one. If I have, sorry about that and feel free to re-ask - I won't be offended!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by pons_saravanan

Hi Terry
Thank you the great experment.

I am reading this post daily from past few weeks, i have learnt a lot from you. And implemented few things for me and they are all doing good.

I would like to learn few more things from you. From your experience are no-follow links considered good for improving for SERPs? or not at all useful interms of SERPs.

Hi Pon - better late than not at all huh? (my reply I mean)

I tend to work mainly with dofollow sites because my WSO research and the work of Angela and PJ focuses on those.

In natural linkbuilding, there are always going to be a few nofollows - actually I would like to do a comparative test on JUST nofollow links versus JUST dofollow links to check how much nofollow are...not followed!

[desireeaib]

"Not sure what you mean by ruining the process D but I do go into all my backlinking principles in that report."

What I meant was something that Mystic posted in the Angela thread. See the first 3 or 4 I did I didn't RSS feeding them because I didn't know. Then when someone said RSS feed your links I made the assumption I was supposed to RSS feed MY site. So guess what I did? I RSS feed all my pages on my site (this was another site I had built not the one I'm working on now) I stopped because it didn't feel right and I darn sure don't know a thing about RSS feeds! So I purchased Big Mikes RSS bot, but because I still wasn't clear and didn't understand how to create a feed, I never used it. That was after creating another 8 site profiles for me and a friend.

So NOW I understand you are supposed to RSS feed the link your profile is on!!! That wasn't clear, to me, in A&P's packages. AT ALL.

It's hard being new to IM! And I've been on line now for 12 years and this is my 2nd real attempt at IM. And that was 5 years ago without all this social network, RSS feeds and bots, first page of G and SEO. Build content and G will find you as people searched for your uniqueness aka niche. That's was WAY back in the day! Heck before G and Y I was using Metacrawler and Lycos!! HAHAHA

So thanks so much!
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[Black Hat Cat]

The darn thing went from non existent to #1 out of 3,400,00 in about a week....The actual time was less the a week. Google tells me it went to #1 on the 10th i added it to post swapper on the 7th and 1st used Wp-Unique on it on the 8th. I am going to do a littlte more onsite SEO and hammer it with some articles and backlinks from a different source and see if I can move it up with the big boys in the niche.

How do you move it up if it's already ranked #1?

[kimperino1985]

Great job! Keep it up

[desireeaib]

I think I did it right this time.

I belong to 2 sites that I'm fairly active in. So I created my links, one with 2 links but hidden behind a smiley face the other behind and !, with the other site I just put my anchor text out there and did 2.

Then I logged out and found my profile and copied the url in my text file and noted what I did and what my anchor text was for that site.

I then went and made the Data Feed per the feedage and then checked it with Vaidator at W3C. Both checked out fine.

Then I went to create an account (?), wasn't sure about that so I just went to Pingoat and Pingomatic and feed the newly created Data Feed links in there.

Hit send and it was sent.

I think I got it now!!! The only thing was that was for blogs so I was a little hesitant as these were profiles sites but I sent it anyway.

Also do I have to have a Feed Burner account? Well it seems because I have a blogger account, and adsense account and a gmail account G wants to just box me in to getting a Feed Burner account as well!! I want a little anonymity. I can't even get a separate adsense account. Makes no sense to me!

Thanks! Learning a lot and hope to implement them and really test my site, my money making ability and all these little tricks out!

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

How do you move it up if it's already ranked #1?

YouTube - Spinal Tap - 11

[pons_saravanan]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Hi Pon - better late than not at all huh? (my reply I mean)

I tend to work mainly with dofollow sites because my WSO research and the work of Angela and PJ focuses on those.

In natural linkbuilding, there are always going to be a few nofollows - actually I would like to do a comparative test on JUST nofollow links versus JUST dofollow links to check how much nofollow are...not followed!

Hi Terry
No matter later or earlier, your response is highly valuable to me. One more question.
My website is ASP.Net programming site, so I am answering few forums like forums.asp.net and wrox p2p forums. So they are back links for various articles from my website which are highly relevant to the topic.

Apart from that I am commenting on blogs which are very relevant (some times irrelevant blogs if I can write something about the topic).

After some time I actually realized that only my forum links are indexed, and the most of the commented pages are not indexed till now. As per one suggestion in this current thread, I have actually created a blog and added some content and let the Google crawled it. Now I am adding all the urls of blogs where I have commented. Is it the fastest and effective way to do it? Or do you advise me some effective ways to get the back links crawled.

Can you share also how are you getting your back links crawled?

[Jayson L]

I have started to put my backlinks that I create on a page on some of my free blogs and then use pingler, or pingomatic to get them noticed. My backlinks are getting indexed at a lot higher rate now. Give it a try and see how it works for you.

[lijogk]

Have u made any sales yet ? also how much traffic are you getting . Very interesting thread , watching close

[perryny]

Hi Terry,

I just spent my last 4 hours with you. Great thread and I'm increadibly anxious to see the final tallys.

The amount of information in this thread, much of which is somewhat disconnected from the main theme, is absolutely priceless.

Thanks so much,
-Robert

[3vil3d]

Hi Terry,

Wanted to say thanks - this is a great piece of work

*tips hat*

Ed

[Terry Kyle]

OK - back to business here. Thank you for the awesome support above! I'll come back to specific questions in a moment.

My sample Elance job is now finished. I documented all of the setup stage with pics in an earlier post on this thread.

QuickExpress (one of my trusted elancers) has now finished the job so I need to check their work and pay them.

Here's how:

** Rarely 100% - always a few accounts disabled.

Pics continued in next post >>>>>>>>

[Terry Kyle]

Elance job completion continued:

** Elance hold the money until you are satisfied with the completed work.

I would then send a PM to the elancer to thank them for their work - good freelancers are a long term business asset so treat them accordingly.

I'm going to grab the rankings for those 3 sites of mine backlinked in this job now, for the terms:

backlinks
gas pressure washer
ways to propose marriage

I'll use the GoogleGlobal plugin for Firefox so that I can check the USA results right now.

See you in a minute!

[Terry Kyle]

Site 1: HTML site with WP blog in subfolder, one post only, all backlinks directed to that single post inner page for "backlinks":

[Craig McPherson]

Terry,
This is just after your post above.

It is #8 on google.com.au

Well done mate

[Terry Kyle]

Site 2: HTML site with WP blog in sub-folder with all backlinks pointing to one WP post inner page (what a surprise!) optimised for "gas pressure washer". All syndicated content, ignored in my backlinking for a while - not my finest IM moment I'm afraid:

[Terry Kyle]

Older GoArticle: semi-neglected but has a bit of SERP momentum now:

By the way, if you're in the US, I'd love to know if GoogleGlobal is giving me accurate USA results in London!

[brp002]

See you can bookmark your articles which gives your article good SEO value and then gives your website good SEO value. Its a win win situation and I love winning when it comes to money

[Tom Goodwin]

Top 5 results are identical here for Google/US. I get 2,640,000 pages though :-)

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Older GoArticle: semi-neglected but has a bit of SERP momentum now:

By the way, if you're in the US, I'd love to know if GoogleGlobal is giving me accurate USA results in London!

[turbohips]

Terry,
It's me again with a question. Aren't you concerned that the out sourced work will soon be taken down as many of my back links from Angela and PJ's have? After getting your WSO I don't even know why you would join "the herd" and even use these links let alone pay someone to create the links. I'm not knocking Angela or PJ at all as I still have their monthly WSO's but have noticed a fair share of them not working past day 1 of each release. So far using your method I'm finding a much higher retention rate. Just wondering.

Also, as for SENuke, I'm finding that around 50% of the article site are not working and that the profile nuke is also a tad lame with limited abilities. The bookmarking, RSS feeds and pinger feature are great but certainly not worth the $127 monthly. Your thoughts again?

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jayson L

I have started to put my backlinks that I create on a page on some of my free blogs and then use pingler, or pingomatic to get them noticed. My backlinks are getting indexed at a lot higher rate now. Give it a try and see how it works for you.

True J - pinging can help and it's part of making the most of our backlinks.

I can't wait to virtually automate the process of 'backlinking our backlinks' with Warrior Sean Donohoe's Backlink Booster.

Out next week I think. Go Sean!

The more time I spend in IM (a fair bit at the moment as you can imagine!), the more I'm hungry for automated solutions and outsourcing.

I try out most new programs and consider the money spent an investment in my eventual optimum business model i.e. figuring exactly what I do need and what I don't need to bother with.

I have no intention of dying wondering, "What if I'd tried X way back in 2009?". For example, I'm struggling with the value of SENuke at the moment for reasons I'll go into shortly but am really glad I've been trying it.

I really believe that major long term IM success is built on relationship development, product creation (especially through 'gap spotting' which is precisely what I did with my WSO) and finding platforms for products (e.g. banner ads on relevant forums) NOT getting bogged down in tasks that must be delegated elsewhere.

I also hugely believe in Eben Pagan's principle of giving huge value for a relatively small price and that concept was instrumental in my WSO and my 2 books on Amazon (even Steven '7 Habits' Covey endorsed one of those!).

Hopefully you can apply that in what you are doing now - if you aren't already of course!

[Terry Kyle]

Originally Posted by turbohips

Terry,
It's me again with a question. Aren't you concerned that the out sourced work will soon be taken down as many of my back links from Angela and PJ's have? After getting your WSO I don't even know why you would join "the herd" and even use these links let alone pay someone to create the links. I'm not knocking Angela or PJ at all as I still have their monthly WSO's but have noticed a fair share of them not working past day 1 of each release. So far using your method I'm finding a much higher retention rate. Just wondering.

Also, as for SENuke, I'm finding that around 50% of the article site are not working and that the profile nuke is also a tad lame with limited abilities. The bookmarking, RSS feeds and pinger feature are great but certainly not worth the $127 monthly. Your thoughts again?

Hi Bruce,

All good points so let me tackle them one by one:

Aren't you concerned that the out sourced work will soon be taken down as many of my back links from Angela and PJ's have?

I wanted to run a sample elance job on the most typical IM job that I could think of, namely, backlinking Angela and PJs monthly sites packets. Many of those sites might come down but if you recall my Panic Attacks article above Bruce, that took over 1000 backlinks to get to number one (which sparked a quick 'arms race' retaliation from a couple of Squidoo sites).

Therefore, I knew that those 150 links would not be make-or-break in the eventual ranking of those sites. In short, it was a 'show job' for the benefit of readers of this thread.

I hope that Warriors still uncertain about outsourcing or elance were encouraged to outsource and didn't have to risk/waste their $75 on seeing how it all works.

So far using your method I'm finding a much higher retention rate.

Awesome. Building your OWN backlinks Power List is CRUCIAL.

As for SENuke...the bookmarking, RSS feeds and pinger feature are great but certainly not worth the $127 monthly. Your thoughts again?

I know many Warriors have had great results with SENuke and I am not at all disputing that - I just haven't been able to replicate their success with it. My main issue with SENuke isn't the price. For a decent IM business, $127 a month is pennies and I spend WAY more than that every month on all the different bits of my business.

The nagging problem I have with SENuke is that ultimately it isn't hitting that many different sites. Every day, new services and programs are coming along that can - at least in theory - deliver a much bigger punch for less money. If we are trying to simulate a viral article or blog post, 100ish sites just won't do that. And even if I build 900,000 backlinks using SENuke (I did consider it for a moment!), they would all only be coming from say 100 sites. That doesn't simulate a viral post at all which would have huge IP diversity and geodiversity.

So if SENuke isn't hitting that many sites (I haven't counted them by the way but it must be under 100 if all are used?), then the configuration of links created is crucial. And as yet, I haven't found that magic configuration of those relatively small number of sites.

However, when this experiment ends (which it might not!), I'll devote more time to it - though to be honest, I'd rather pay an SENuke Jedi to do it for me!

Pretty lazy huh Bruce?

[turbohips]

Thanks for taking the time to answer this in detail for me and I'm impressed that you remembered my name amongst the 100's of people asking you for your advise. That's awesome to hear that some people are getting great results but I'm not very impressed with SENuke and will probably discontinue the service until the updated version roles around. I'm also looking forward to trying the EVO II which should be due out in two days.

[warrior123]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Older GoArticle: semi-neglected but has a bit of SERP momentum now:

By the way, if you're in the US, I'd love to know if GoogleGlobal is giving me accurate USA results in London!

I'm seeing that GoArticle ranked #9 for that keyword phrase in the US.

BTW, I get 2,660,000 page results.

[jmorgan17]

Hi Terry, Learned tremendous info checking out your experiment and reading through it. Seems to be very popular and great interaction. Im a noob but been doing my due dilligence on researching links, comment luv follows vs no follows, trying Angelas, etc., Then tonight I read something disturbing and was hoping, you might or someone here might, answer this question regarding RSS and feedburner eating up link juice. Is it true that if you use feedburner direct your title gets linked to the rss link and provides no SEO benefits? So I freaked and went into my feedburner account and unchecked the "item link clicks" Any thoughts? Still mucking my way through this tech stuff and not smelling to good! Someday I'll be the rose, for now still sifting through fertilizer.

[turbohips]

jmorgan,
I think the fertilizer smells good because it promotes future growth meaning that if you continue your efforts regardless of most of the non-sense that you read you'll prosper and do very well. Worst case scenario is that the links built won't count for much but the others will make your site(s) do very well. This is my view on things and it tends to be true for most cases. I've continued trucking even if I read this or that can hurt only to find out that the more work I've put into my sites pays off in the long run, err sometime short runs as well. Best of luck to you.
Bruce

[sjedwardz]

Terry - Do you have more information on the "Simple Leveraging System" that you mentioned in a previous post. All I can find is a blog with a few entries - most of which give error 404! But nothing about any form of system or service.

[cringwall]

What a fantastic thread this is becoming! Thanks for all the fine work, Terry!

[Liam Hamer]

I've been reading this thread with great interest over the last few weeks - thanks for all the hard work you've put into this project Terry, and thanks for keeping us updated with the results

[Lawyer007]

unfortunately I just joined today and have a lot of reading to do through all 8 of these pages... This is such an interesting topic, thanks for putting in the effort and documenting for all of us!
I am new to the SEO world so this might be a dumb question, what are you referring to when you say "IM"? Thanks

[tdotbaby]

Very insightful thread..

[NickMik]

I'm fairly new to IM and trying to figure out if anyone know generally how long it takes for links to begin to show up in something like yahoo site explorer or google webmaster tools?? I've been following some of Terry's/Angelas ways of building links and was just curious

Thanks

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Lawyer007

unfortunately I just joined today and have a lot of reading to do through all 8 of these pages... This is such an interesting topic, thanks for putting in the effort and documenting for all of us!
I am new to the SEO world so this might be a dumb question, what are you referring to when you say "IM"? Thanks

"IM" Refers to Internet Marketing or Internet Marketer, depending on the context of the sentence...

Don't worry about asking anything that you don't understand, we all have been there at one point...

DJBory

[djbory]

Originally Posted by NickMik

I'm fairly new to IM and trying to figure out if anyone know generally how long it takes for links to begin to show up in something like yahoo site explorer or google webmaster tools?? I've been following some of Terry's/Angelas ways of building links and was just curious

Thanks

Those kind of links which I call "Profiles Backlinks" Takes longer to show up, and some of them never does, however, they work very nice and you will get results with those links but remember to diversify to get better results...

I bookmark every profile link with a software to help Google to find them faster. Socialbot will do it, or if you are short of money you can use Onlywire, not as good as the others but it does the job... I usually get a bust in less than 24 hours every time I do that

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by djbory

Those kind of links which I call "Profiles Backlinks" Takes longer to show up, and some of them never does, however, they work very nice and you will get results with those links but remember to diversify to get better results...

I bookmark every profile link with a software to help Google to find them faster. Socialbot will do it, or if you are short of money you can use Onlywire, not as good as the others but it does the job... I usually get a bust in less than 24 hours every time I do that

Agree! some profiles might not even show, but when you track the keyword ranking for your page, it rises! This means they are working, rather well!

Kok Choon