My Experience with Micro Niche Finder & Xfactor course

[JMartin]

For you guys who are targeting 1 product (like Sony's Widgets) are you putting the brand name as part of your domain name or picking something generic?

Just curious.

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by JMartin

For you guys who are targeting 1 product (like Sony's Widgets) are you putting the brand name as part of your domain name or picking something generic?

Just curious.

At the moment I'm tending to avoid choosing a main keyword which contains a brand name/TMed name... but yes, if you do go for a keyword which is based on a real product, you will need to put it into the domain name (even though it's not really allowed) to have a good chance of rising up the ranks due to on-page SEO.

[John Hixson]

Originally Posted by JMartin

For you guys who are targeting 1 product (like Sony's Widgets) are you putting the brand name as part of your domain name or picking something generic?

Just curious.

I haven't yet but I am not ruling it out. John, the guy who started all this as far as I am concerned, says that he does it so that's good enough for me.

[Hackbridge]

Originally Posted by eqalias

I have tried his technique on 2 test sites, but I think I made a similar error in that I picked a very competitive keyword. It's starting to sound like I may have to invest in micro niche finder.

I think the price is up to $97 but it has recently been upgraded. It just gets better and better!

My problem is this. I think that I have spent $100s on tools but the truth is, if you don't take action it doesn't mean a damn thing!

I need to find every single post by Xfactor now, as I would love to have the success posted by the OP. I also need to take action

Thanks for sharing

Brian

[wolfmmiii]

The right keywords are critical. However, finding them is fairly easy if you take your time and are careful. I find at least 5-10 good keywords every day. I wind up building sites out faster than I can write articles, hence the reason I lease them out.

[curious52]

Originally Posted by latinoman231982

Thanks guys for feedback. I have had alot of messages regarding my article strategy. Just though I would share that with you guys. Primarily I submit ALL my articles to Ezine. Once published with ezine I then rewrite those articles for GOARTICLES. From go articles I rewrite those articles and scatter them through lesser known article directories.

My daily routine is up at 3am, write 30-40 articles just before lunch and have them submitted. The rest of the day till 6pm i do some comment backlinks as well as add new content to my site.

I like to focus on 2 sites a week. My goal is to get each and every site earning a minimum of 4 dollars daily. Its a nice suprise when they earn more than expected. I dont really have a set schedule, I feel johns advice to go with the flow +internetmarketer 99 thread on consistency have helped me to keep plugging on.

Do you use any article spinning software to create your articles? I've just hear of this and wondered if it was worth it. Seems like it takes more time to "spin" than a quick rewrite the old fashioned way. Advice?

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

The right keywords are critical. However, finding them is fairly easy if you take your time and are careful. I find at least 5-10 good keywords every day. I wind up building sites out faster than I can write articles, hence the reason I lease them out.

Can you give some more details on your leasing operation. Do you have friends you lease to or are you marketing this approach? Also what kind of split do you negotiate and what is the length of lease, do you take control at some point or do you give an option to buy? As I write this I'm coming up with some ideas,

[Kael41]

Just FYI, I have sites that utilize both a generic name and a brand name in the url and I make money from both of them. Again, it's critical that the keyword research is done before hand before you make your move to build the site. However, do not become incapacitated to the point that you're in stuck mode because you're unsure.

If the numbers match up for something that might look good...pull the trigger. At the most it's a 7$ loss in domain name fees. I just refer to it as a cost of doing business.

[JMartin]

I'm avoiding the brand in the domain for now. All it takes is a competitor calling that company's legal department to bring me down.

I could see doing it for a very quick effort site (a couple hours). Then if you get in trouble, just pray they accept the site as a gift rather than suing you.

Having done work for a company looking for sites like these (I'd use webmaster forums and Google looking for people putting their brand in the domain), I can tell you that the majority of the time they won't sue you right off. Instead they'll demand the site be given to them or removed instantly or altered.

A lot has to do with 2 things:

1. Are you being negative in any possible way? If yes, look out. If you're being overly positive, they just might look the other way.

2. Are you taking away (money) from the company? Perhaps outranking the company site, forcing them to spend ad dollars on your site, etc. If yes, bye bye.

However, if neither one of those conditions is met, then you've got a shot.

But, don't take this as legal advice. Just sharing some experience. A company could indeed sue you without warning (it's their right and some companies have nothing better to do).

[wolfmmiii]

Originally Posted by marketseeker

Can you give some more details on your leasing operation. Do you have friends you lease to or are you marketing this approach? Also what kind of split do you negotiate and what is the length of lease, do you take control at some point or do you give an option to buy? As I write this I'm coming up with some ideas,

I don't want to say too much here as I don't want to ruin the thread but anyone may lease. There is no split - you keep the profits as long as you maintain the lease. If I were ever to take over the site, you would be given the option to buy.

If there are any further questions from anyone, please see my sig. I don't want to hijack the thread.

Thanks

[JMartin]

Here's a question:

When you're selecting your product, do you have any rules for product cost in mind?

In other words, do you only target products that are $x or higher, like $500, or don't you care, even if the product is $4?

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by JMartin

Here's a question:

When you're selecting your product, do you have any rules for product cost in mind?

In other words, do you only target products that are or higher, like $500, or don't you care, even if the product is $4?

I solely go on the price the adverts pay, which I check via Spyfu.com

[wolfmmiii]

Anything with a minimum AdWords CPC of over $0.50 works for me although I prefer $1.00 and over. However, CPC is not my main concern. My main focus is picking keywords that I think will generate high CTR.

100 clicks on a $0.25 ad is much more than 3 clicks on a $2.00 ad.

[JMartin]

Thanks for the feedback.

I wasn't really sure if I should keep looking for decently priced items or just forget the product price and look at all the other usual data I normally do.

Back to cranking out sites.

[eqalias]

Originally Posted by eqalias

The website I've based on my other keyword (100 searches per day, 127,000 competitors) already places 8th after two weeks, so I can see the potential.

Wow I just checked and I'm now number one for my keyword (that was quick). I have a feeling it's part of the 'Google dance' I hear about but it's nice to see results.
I'm beginning to think XFactor may not have been full of it.

[ladyfoster]

I have been following the Xfactor post as well. I do have a suggestion that may be helpful to those that have not purchased mnf as of yet. I have had the tool for a year now and love it.

though i plan to purchase the new version of keyword elite soon.

what you can do is use the google keyword tool choose your keyword. put the keyword in quotes in google search after you have determined that the keyword has 10k or less competing sites. then to the intitle results... i like to keep that competion unter 1k sites for intitle. then I do a quick check for the top 4 sites on google search without the quotes and and if there are search results that are PR5 are higher i dont choose that keyword if they have a 4 i dont use it if that particular site has the keyphrase in the title.

i have done some testing with this method and started a site with that search formula and ranking on the first page within 24 hours. Of course your results may be different depending on your results with number of competing sites.

please dont ask me alot of questions about this because I dont come that often. if i spend too much time in the forums I dont get any work done. Im earning most of my income now with amazon and now trying to add adsense as a consistent stream of income.

even though I have made notes from Johns xfactor posts, I plan to purchase his blueprint later this month.

Blessings to all and I gurantee you if you take action you are 99 percent there already

[joe0074]

How do we know whether each website on the first page is PR4 or PR5 ?
Is there any tool we can use to check it?

Thanks,

[ladyfoster]

yes down load the firefox free SEO tool. you can check the PR of each site Ill look for the link

[ladyfoster]

try seo tools dot seobook dot com backslash firefox i dont have enough post to do a hyperlink

[joe0074]

Thanks ladyfoster.
I will check it out.

[JMartin]

Market Samurai is another tool (that's what I use). However, if you're newer to analyzing data and following his course, I think it's best to just buy what he uses.

And of course, you can do everything for free and it's not hard. It's just soooooo much easier with these programs. Time is money.

[Estrella]

Originally Posted by latinoman231982

When I first started implementing Johns advice i mistakingly picked a niche that had over 250 SOC and 40,000 competing sites. At the time when I followed the guide i didnt have access to micro nichefinder, so was solely relying on google keyword. It wasn't till after the purchase of micro niche finder that i realised I had picked a keyword which would be hard to compete for.

Hi latinoman231982,

Thanks for sharing your experience!

So, what SOC value (or range) do you aim for, nowadays?

[latinoman231982]

After my experience with acidently picking a niche that technically i shouldnt get on first page, I know don't have a specific SOC that I really go for.

Obviously all green with low SOC is ideal, but from my experience so far, is that even if it shows red, depending on other factors such as first page competition etc etc I will still probably go for it. I finde these to be real goldmines as you hardly get any competition as people are just sticking by the green go rule and not taking into condieration other factors.

At this moment in time I have another site which has an SOC of 120 in the red, have 20 articles submitted, and the .com of the main keyword, with 10,000 searches a month. After 1 week I am number 9 on first page, and getting 5.00 dollars average.

[JMartin]

That's great latinoman231982.

The point to pay attention there is "first page competition." I've seen low, low, low competition KWPs where the 1st page absolutely sucked and would take a ridiculous amount of work.

The goal is page 1, so who cares how many results a KWP has or doesn't have if you probably won't get to page 1 without way to much effort–if at all.

I don't use MNF, so I don't see green, yellow, red, whatever. Since no one really knows the weight for factors, I wonder if basing your decision solely on "green lights" could hurt you somewhat or not.

[mdzarate]

I have used some of the ideas from xfactor system...

I have alot of traffic to one site, but google banned my adsense for some stupid reasons that I am not sure what it was, this is a very white hat site and the only thing I can see was a WP template I used that put a title before my adsense ads, and google did not like that...anyways, my question to all of you is

What is a good alternative to adsense to make money on my highly visited site?

I installed banner ads from CPA and clickbank but I have got 5000 clicks and 0 sales

If I had adsense or something similar, I would be making good money.

I need to find a good replacemente for adsense, what do you guys recommend to use that will pay well and are trust worthy.

[Biggy Fat]

Originally Posted by latinoman231982

After my experience with acidently picking a niche that technically i shouldnt get on first page, I know don't have a specific SOC that I really go for.

Obviously all green with low SOC is ideal, but from my experience so far, is that even if it shows red, depending on other factors such as first page competition etc etc I will still probably go for it. I finde these to be real goldmines as you hardly get any competition as people are just sticking by the green go rule and not taking into condieration other factors.

At this moment in time I have another site which has an SOC of 120 in the red, have 20 articles submitted, and the .com of the main keyword, with 10,000 searches a month. After 1 week I am number 9 on first page, and getting 5.00 dollars average.

Okay, now THAT sounds really cool. So what would those other factors be as far as first page competition?

[drakedillon]

I too have purchases the course, purchases a few domain names and built a few sites. I launched them last week and have been working on the article marketing portion of the plan.

Here is my 0.02: Pick a niche that is interesting to you or a passion of yours and it will make writing articles for that nich that much easier. I believe that if you pick a niche that you do not have a clue about, you will struggle with writing articles.

Drake

[wolfmmiii]

You need to re-read the course....

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

You need to re-read the course....

Or more specifically chapter 5, starting at the bottom of page 68.

Of course, there's nothing saying that John's method is the *perfect* method, perhaps drakedillon has simply found/is working at a method that works best for him

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by TristanPerry

Edit: This turned into a long-ish post. The most important point, IMO, is thus: Sites can take a month or more to settle and mature, so don't be put off. Okay, onto the post now

Wow, some crazy number of articles-per-keyword ratios there. Are you sure you've found very low SOC keywords?

To put things into perspective - before buying John's course (but still going off the free 32 page thread) I found a nice keyword (which intuitively looked low competition) and bought a domain for it (the direct .com of the domain). I written around 15 articles for it, total. The entire site was based around just one keyword (getting 4,400 global exact searches)

It took a month, but it finally settled today - it's now in top position and has earned me £1.57 today alone.

Before it settled it was earning me £0.00 - £0.30 per day, although it seems now to have settled and 'matured' - like a good cheese

Oddly enough, my CTRs seem higher now that it's settled too. Perhaps I was getting less targetted traffic or something. But it honestly does seem like you just need to give it time.

I was a little disappointed at first (since some people seemed to have amazing results from this, from the offset), but I guess it just needs to be said clearly that sites can take a month or more to settle and mature, so don't be put off.

Also if you write and have 10 articles approved, but see no change in the rankings, don't worry. This is normal and part of the Google bounce. For the website I mentioned, Google still hasn't indexed or picked up on some of my backlinks. In time they'll be seen by Google, and will still count

For one other website I created, I wrote and had around 35 articles published. The website moved from page 9 to page 10!! It's just the way Google does things.

I've now got 4 micro niche websites and am leaving them settle and mature. Then I'll test, and make some more websites.

Just realise that it can take time, and don't be put off. Seeing people saying how amazing their results are will always be a little off-putting, but you must put them into context and remember - as John/xFactor has said - that most sites do take time to settle down.

Pick a good, solid niche/keyword set to go after, build a website and aim for 350-500 words per page, write 10+ articles for it (going after the main keyword), and leave it for around a month or more if needed. Just keep checking its position in the SERPs and you'll get there in the end.

It's a little like people who gamble, they never tell the times when they loose only the time they win. I had a site get indexed in hours and stay on the first page and then I've had several sites that bounced around for a while and some sites that didn't get indexed no matter what I didi and then poof all of a sudden there they are.

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by marketseeker

It's a little like people who gamble, they never tell the times when they loose only the time they win. I had a site get indexed in hours and stay on the first page and then I've had several sites that bounced around for a while and some sites that didn't get indexed no matter what I didi and then poof all of a sudden there they are.

A brilliant sum-up of my post I quite agree.

This method does certainly work, although as you point out people won't generally mention when their sites take 1+ months to settle down, only when they settle down within days and then make lots of money (And understandably so I guess )

Oddly enough, the best/most promising site I've made took a week to get indexed, and has been stuck on something like page 11 ever since (despite, obviously, lots of indexed backlinking etc). Just the way it works sometimes

[mexiken]

Originally Posted by TristanPerry

Or more specifically chapter 5, starting at the bottom of page 68.

Of course, there's nothing saying that John's method is the *perfect* method, perhaps drakedillon has simply found/is working at a method that works best for him

A question for you about writing non-keyword related articles the way John mentions; what do you do if you're writing for a site that doesn't use an author's resource box like Ezine? (I've been using Infobarrel, for example)

I love the idea of writing about whatever I want and then just making the resource box contain the necessary links, but when there isn't one... do you just create one by adding an "about" paragraph at the end of the article?

Thanks for any advice/suggestions

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by mexiken

A question for you about writing non-keyword related articles the way John mentions; what do you do if you're writing for a site that doesn't use an author's resource box like Ezine? (I've been using Infobarrel, for example)

I love the idea of writing about whatever I want and then just making the resource box contain the necessary links, but when there isn't one... do you just create one by adding an "about" paragraph at the end of the article?

Thanks for any advice/suggestions

Hmm to be honest I only really use eZine and GoArticles so am not too sure what to suggest.

I'd probably suggest (if it's allowed) to simply write an article about your niche topic and then drop a link to your site somewhere in the article (as long as they allow that, of course).

[mexiken]

Originally Posted by TristanPerry

Hmm to be honest I only really use eZine and GoArticles so am not too sure what to suggest.

I'd probably suggest (if it's allowed) to simply write an article about your niche topic and then drop a link to your site somewhere in the article (as long as they allow that, of course).

OK, thanks. Yeah, they definitely allow that. That's the way I've been writing articles but I just thought John's idea of writing about what you WANT to write about rather than what you find to be good, marketable keywords, was a brilliant idea. It just makes the writing process easier and less tedious than figuring out how to write about "blue carpet cleaners" or whatever.

Oh well, at least we have Ezine, GoA and some others where we can apply that technique and then use the 'old fashioned way' with the others. )

[kingside]

Nice thread. My question to everyone out there who has been using this method -- what's the average time it takes to get your sites indexed (not ranked, just showing up in Google)?

I've built 4 sites so far and haven't had any indexed. I did a small amount of bookmarking (4-5 sites manually and using Onlywire) and blog commenting on the first three when I launched them, then started with articles yesterday, but I'm sticking with articles for the last one since I haven't seen results.

Maybe I'm just impatient. Been 72 hours for one, 48 hours for 2, and about 24 hours for the last.

[TristanPerry]

Originally Posted by kingside

Nice thread. My question to everyone out there who has been using this method -- what's the average time it takes to get your sites indexed (not ranked, just showing up in Google)?

I've built 4 sites so far and haven't had any indexed. I did a small amount of bookmarking (4-5 sites manually and using Onlywire) and blog commenting on the first three when I launched them, then started with articles yesterday, but I'm sticking with articles for the last one since I haven't seen results.

Maybe I'm just impatient. Been 72 hours for one, 48 hours for 2, and about 24 hours for the last.

One of mine took 6 days to get indexed (that was with pinging twice a day, too). It sometimes just takes time

[wolfmmiii]

Originally Posted by kingside

Nice thread. My question to everyone out there who has been using this method -- what's the average time it takes to get your sites indexed (not ranked, just showing up in Google)?

I've built 4 sites so far and haven't had any indexed. I did a small amount of bookmarking (4-5 sites manually and using Onlywire) and blog commenting on the first three when I launched them, then started with articles yesterday, but I'm sticking with articles for the last one since I haven't seen results.

Maybe I'm just impatient. Been 72 hours for one, 48 hours for 2, and about 24 hours for the last.

Mine are almost always indexed within 48-72 hours. I even had one for a client indexed and ranked on page 1 (#8) for the targeted keyword within 72 hours.

[kingside]

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Mine are almost always indexed within 48-72 hours. I even had one for a client indexed and ranked on page 1 (#8) for the targeted keyword within 72 hours.

Could you elaborate a little bit on what your first 48 hours of link building looks like for your average micro-site?

[wolfmmiii]

I linkwheel every site with 8-10 properties. In addition, I submit RSS feeds of all properties (where available) plus the money page. I also bookmark everything. Lots of work before I even start article marketing.

[kingside]

Do you use a tool like RSSBot to submit your RSS feeds or you do it manually? Same goes for bookmarking.. you use an automated tool like Onlywire or just hit the big ones like digg / reddit manually?

[wolfmmiii]

I use RSS Submit and OnlyWire.

[vagabondette]

I launched my first site yesterday. It was indexed 4 hours later.

Can anyone recommend a good rank checking tool?

[JMartin]

Mine take up to a week. It's really all over the place. Seems like the less work I do to get a site indexed, the better.

The last one I did took about 48 hours. All I did was give sitemap to google, add G analytics and bookmark the homepage at a couple SB sites--so about 5 min of work.

For PR checking, try whatisyourpagerank.com OR if you use FireFox, go to tools.seotools.com and get the SEO Toolbar, which is great. It does a lot of things, but I like clicking the "I" button to get PR, age, pages indexed, links, etc. It also is clickable, so if I click on the age, it takes me to the archives site.

[dswift33]

Is it possible to use a tool like Market Samurai with equal effectiveness?

[AJsVRE]

Originally Posted by vagabondette

I launched my first site yesterday. It was indexed 4 hours later.

Can anyone recommend a good rank checking tool?

Like JMartin mentioned above, you can get the SEO toolbar from (what I think he meant to say) seobook. The SEO Toolbar

It has their RankChecker built into the toolbar (which, I chose not to display all the time, I only display it when I want/need it, I don't like a bunch of toolbar clutter) and with the RankChecker you can "save" searches and perform them easily all the time. You can even schedule them, but I haven't done that so I don't know how it gets reported. There's a video you can watch that shows you how to set it up. (scroll down on the above linked page till you see "Rank Checker" for the vid)

Other than that, if you don't want to do all that, you can go to: googlesearchpositionfinder.com -- Find the position your website is at for any search term in $search_engine_name
and just enter your search terms and webpage.

If it's something you're going to be doing often, I highly suggest you go the seo toolbar route.

[vagabondette]

Thanks, that's the one I was looking at. I'll look into it more.

[JMartin]

Originally Posted by AJsVRE

Like JMartin mentioned above, you can get the SEO toolbar from (what I think he meant to say) seobook.

Yeah, LOL. I wasn't paying attention.

I love having it. So easy to quickly analyze sites.

[ladyfoster]

John I just purchased you course with money that i really dont have because i too believe it is possible to make 10k or more per month from adsense. though i have not made it yet.... righ tnow i make on average about $2 a day. I think your course will take me to a new level.

my husband and children were recently in a car accident. so I am really looking to make some income to pay off some debt.

[blogsy]

Originally Posted by ladyfoster

John I just purchased you course with money that i really dont have because i too believe it is possible to make 10k or more per month from adsense. though i have not made it yet.... righ tnow i make on average about $2 a day. I think your course will take me to a new level.

my husband and children were recently in a car accident. so I am really looking to make some income to pay off some debt.

The key to making John's course work is to treat it like a job or small business, it really does require that kind of commitment to make a decent income from any kind of internet method. Do it hard for 1 year and then you can back of and just concentrate on maintaining your sites positions in the serps. Most fail because they can't maintain the level of article (link) promotion the system requires to make it succeed. You will notice whenever people talk about their success they also talk about their high article out put, that was also the case for John (Xfactor) the method creator.

Don't be completely put of by highly competitive niches, one of my sites is "quit smoking" I only submitted 20 articles to EZA, that was it, it only did around $35.00 a month on adsense, so I put an affiliate product (no adsense) on the first page and it now brings in around $200.00 a month plus the adsense. So in certain niches if the adsense income is low, consider an affiliate product if appropriate.

I hope your husband and your children are doing ok, all the best with your adsense sites, I'm sure you will be successful.

[marketseeker]

Originally Posted by vagabondette

I launched my first site yesterday. It was indexed 4 hours later.

Can anyone recommend a good rank checking tool?

don't forget that adsense policy is they don't like auto rank checking so be careful