I hate backlinks!!!!

[disi]

I hate backlinks guys! It happened again - I hope that it is only google dance.

I used to add 3-4 links per months. Whenever I added baclinks(in one time) my site dropped 5-8 places and then was back or even higher after 10-15 days. Whole "cycle" lasts around month. I did it many times and it happens that around 21st of each month my site goes down!

Recently I have read a lot about how adding backlinks is 'safe'. So I added many of them(compared to my previous tempo of adding links). Today we have 22nd and my page is 5th on 3rd page(dropped by 10 places). What da....?

How can you guys add backlinks each day and see improvement? I only see my site gowing down. It moves up ONLY after I stop adding links AND after some period of time.

This is crazy and much contradicts whatever I read here. I use Angela Baclinks but I live in EU. Maybe this is the reason as Google does not find .com links good for me? Maybe I should only add link from my local domains?

I tell you - I hate backlinks!!

[Louise Green]

Remember what you do today may not have an impact for another month. But you can add too many links too quickly and trigger spam filters.

Things will even out in a couple of months, chin up

[Radix]

Originally Posted by disi

I hate backlinks guys! It happened again - I hope that it is only google dance.

I used to add 3-4 links per months. Whenever I added baclinks(in one time) my site dropped 5-8 places and then was back or even higher after 10-15 days. Whole "cycle" lasts around month. I did it many times and it happens that around 21st of each month my site goes down!

Recently I have read a lot about how adding backlinks is 'safe'. So I added many of them(compared to my previous tempo of adding links). Today we have 22nd and my page is 5th on 3rd page(dropped by 10 places). What da....?

How can you guys add backlinks each day and see improvement? I only see my site gowing down. It moves up ONLY after I stop adding links AND after some period of time.

This is crazy and much contradicts whatever I read here. I use Angela Baclinks but I live in EU. Maybe this is the reason as Google does not find .com links good for me? Maybe I should only add link from my local domains?

I tell you - I hate backlinks!!

I really don't think it's your backlinks causing this. Do you use SEO x-ray? Take a look at the front page guys and see how their pages are marked up. Check the site age and number of backlinks. If you have Market Samurai you can get a lot of info about the competition. If you don't have it, I can look that up for you and send you the info so you can what you're really up against.

[pauljeaston]

Ive been doing backlinks yet can't get into top 10. How can one edit the onsite seo when using firepow?

[disi]

Originally Posted by Lovelylou

Remember what you do today may not have an impact for another month. But you can add too many links too quickly and trigger spam filters.

Well, people tell that it is impossible as this way you could kill your competition easy - just aby adding a lot of baclinks to their siet they would all drop.....

[Kurt]

Question: Why do you only have one site? Why haven't you gotten a Squidoo lens, set up Hubpages, have a Live Journal blog, etc?

If you're worried about getting too many links, build some other real estate and get a few links to each, then point them to your "main/money" site.

[disi]

Originally Posted by Radix

I really don't think it's your backlinks causing this. Do you use SEO x-ray? Take a look at the front page guys and see how their pages are marked up. Check the site age and number of backlinks. If you have Market Samurai you can get a lot of info about the competition. If you don't have it, I can look that up for you and send you the info so you can what you're really up against.

So what else it could be if not backlinks? I can understand site position changing 2-3 places. But droping one day by 10 positions? And it happened to me like 5th time this year! Each month after I add backlinks nothing happens...and then around 21st day suddenly my site drops a lot.....Then after 10-15 days it goes back up(however, last month id did not got back as high as it was before dropping).

I do not do any other SEO. Also, I dont think that position of my competitors suddenly changed(not 10 of them as this is number of them that are in front of me).

My competition has a lot of backlinks - much more than me. But they all have only links to local wesbistes(no .com) and rather low ranked sites.

I wish we could understand ONCE FOR ALL how those backlinks work! Maybe for guys that have .com domains this problem is not visibile...Maybe local google systems work a bit different than main, US search?

[disi]

Originally Posted by Kurt

Question: Why do you only have one site? Why haven't you gotten a Squidoo lens, set up Hubpages, have a Live Journal blog, etc?

My customers are not English speaking. Nobody is using Squido here in my country.

If you're worried about getting too many links, build some other real estate and get a few links to each, then point them to your "main/money" site.

Can you write a bit more about how it works?

[Radix]

Originally Posted by disi

So what else it could be if not backlinks? I can understand site position changing 2-3 places. But droping one day by 10 positions? And it happened to me like 5th time this year! Each month after I add backlinks nothing happens...and then around 21st day suddenly my site drops a lot.....Then after 10-15 days it goes back up(however, last month id did not got back as high as it was before dropping).

I do not do any other SEO. Also, I dont think that position of my competitors suddenly changed(not 10 of them as this is number of them that are in front of me).

My competition has a lot of backlinks - much more than me. But they all have only links to local wesbistes(no .com) and rather low ranked sites.

I wish we could understand ONCE FOR ALL how those backlinks work! Maybe for guys that have .com domains this problem is not visibile...Maybe local google systems work a bit different than main, US search?

My suspicion is your competition is aggressively backlinking or using SEO tools to increase their position. Google will reward that impulsively sometimes, but later discount it. The effect to your site is similar to what you're describing.

It doesn't matter if people in your region use Squidoo. Build 5-10 web 2.0 properties that link back to your site using anchor text (your keyword/s).

Once you do that, take the links to those properties and submit them to the bookmarking sites. Then, get the RSS feeds from those 2.0 properties and submit the RSS feeds to any online RSS submitter.

Rinse and repeat. Even doing that manually, you can compete with anyone in a short period of time.

[acedalright]

Sorry did you say 3-4 back links per month?

Did you mean 300-400 or 3000-4000?

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by disi

My customers are not English speaking. Nobody is using Squido here in my country.



Can you write a bit more about how it works?

Google doesnt care about english / non english persons, its a BOT! Use squidoo, use other 3rd party web 2.o properties to discuss your keywords, and place links to your $$$ pages.

Google isnt penalizing you for .com domain backlinks - thats absurd logic.

You need more backlinks - period. You need more sites and content out there for google to find that has links to your $$$ site[s].

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by Lovelylou

But you can add too many links too quickly and trigger spam filters.

For this to happen, we're talking 1000's and 1000's of low value links obviously created by a link spamming tool, not adding a paltry 10 links a day to regular, established sites such as blogs and forums.

[disi]

Originally Posted by acedalright

Sorry did you say 3-4 back links per month?

Did you mean 300-400 or 3000-4000?

3, 4 really. In my local nieche guy at the #1 has 607(?) backlinks:

Majestic-SEO : Search

[disi]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Google doesnt care about english / non english persons, its a BOT! Use squidoo, use other 3rd party web 2.o properties to discuss your keywords, and place links to your $$$ pages.

Google isnt penalizing you for .com domain backlinks - thats absurd logic.

You need more backlinks - period. You need more sites and content out there for google to find that has links to your $$$ site[s].

Ok. So why my site dropped so much? I keep looking at what is going on with my site. It dropes ONLY after new links has been added. And then it takes up to month(happened once) for it to get back where it was.

Today it happened again and you can tell whatever you like guys but facts are following:

-my site drops once per month - around 21st day.
-it takes at least 15 days for it to go back where it was
-when I add backlinks site does not move up - I need break of 15-30 days

I will not believe that my site went down because of competition because frankly there are 3-4 commercial site in front me - rest are forums or some articles(non commercial). If it was competition I could lost positon for 1...2..even 3 sites. But not 10+!

This is crazy - the more I add(and this is not much - although this month I added around 30 new backlinks) the more site drops back.

I will give you another example. I started my website in March. In first 2 months I added around 30 of Angela's backlinks. My site was nowhere. I was mad so I decided to stop adding baclinks and focus on PPC marketing. To my surprise when I searched for my keyword 2-3 months later my site was up on the second page although I added no new links!

How do you explain that? I tell you pure facts and observations. I know that general theory looks different but this is what I experience. I don't know what to think about it.

[Amenda Jessera]

The solution is, keep on adding backlinks,
Try to get 10-15 links daily for a month. That will give you stable position.
In some cases, when we add links, we have moved down and returned back, I too had the same cases.

[disi]

Originally Posted by Amenda Jessera

The solution is, keep on adding backlinks,
Try to get 10-15 links daily for a month. That will give you stable position.
In some cases, when we add links, we have moved down and returned back, I too had the same cases.

thanks for your post. Why do you think so? When I add backlinks my site goes down...when I do not add it goes up. Should I really add more links?

[kurt naulaerts]

I do understand what you're talking about.
Let me tell you something. On sept 8th, I started a campaign for a local company. On sept 18th, it was on page 1 for targeted kw. Today... nowhere to be found. And yet, I am confident that the site will return in a few days. I experienced this many times before.

I say this only to show you that what's going on with your site is not uncommon. The reason? I don't know.

I'd like to give you some solutions. Just pm me. Otherwise we're creating another discussion that is not going to help you. And don't panic. No costs involved.

[Mike Anthony]

The google dance is normal but Disi don't buy into the all you need is backlinks theory. You need to look at content. Try various related keywords as well. If every site that links back to you is using the same anchor text it looks unnatural and theres been recent reports of people falling in ranking by not diversifying their anchor text.

Thing is though the small amount of links you are talking about is almost certainly not affecting your site downwards. You are either in a very competitive niche, your content leaves something to be desired or there is something wrong with who the links are coming from. Generally more links should move you up over time not down.

[disi]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The google dance is normal but Disi don't buy into the all you need is backlinks theory. You need to look at content. Try various related keywords as well. If every site that links back to you is using the same anchor text it looks unnatural and theres been recent reports of people falling in ranking by not diversifying their anchor text.

Thing is though the small amount of links you are talking about is almost certainly not affecting your site downwards. You are either in a very competitive niche, your content leaves something to be desired or there is something wrong with who the links are coming from. Generally more links should move you up over time not down.

I know, I know theory. But reality is just like I said. It happened to me 4 times already. I build backlinks and noting happens with my site. Then around 21st day of month my site drops back(if links were added). It takes few weeks for it to get back.

All I do is adding few baclinks. Nothing more. I use mostly Angela's links where you set up profile at forum and add your link there.

And the funniest think is that my site went up the most when I did nothing for 2 months!

[janiels]

the question is, where are you putting those links of yours, no follow sites can't help your domain to increase its ranking also getting backlinks from non relevant sites will have no effect at all.

my point is getting quality links..

[disi]

Originally Posted by janiels

the question is, where are you putting those links of yours, no follow sites can't help your domain to increase its ranking also getting backlinks from non relevant sites will have no effect at all.

my point is getting quality links..

That is what I have been thinking about too. But people who use backlinks claim that relevancy has nothing to do with it.

[WhatTheFrenchToast]

I've experienced a similar problem. It seemed to help when I diversified my backlinks, targeting higher ranking backlinks and focused more on links from web 2.0 properties.

You mentioned there were sites ranking higher than you from directories. Focus some effort on posting in those directories as well linking back to your money site or your web 2.0 sites.

Create hubpages, squidoo lenses, blogs, and anything else that comes up in the top 20 or 30 rankings for the keywords you are targeting. Google is telling you what it thinks are them most relevant sites to the searcher based on the keyword entered.

Sometimes it's images, sometimes videos, sometime articles or forums or blog posts. Analyze your competition and do what they are doing. Build the appropriate web 2.0 properties and then social bookmark the crap out of 'em. That should do the trick.

Of course, we'll never figure out Google logic, but quality backlinks are good, crappy backlinks-not so great. Either way, while backlinks are important, they are only 1 aspect of good SEO.

[brendanfinn]

Maybe you're placing links in the wrong places... I suppose it's possible Google thinks their just spam, but only 3-4 links per month seems negligible.

I would say make a change to what you are doing and watch the results.

Add more links, but maybe just ignore the places you are currently working on. Try adding much, much more links. Or, just move on to a different method altogether, and see if your position improves or at least stabilizes. Write articles, try a little SEO, whatever.

I'm certainly no expert, but it seems hard to diagnose what's happening without any details.

[SarahCohen2010]

The Same thing has happened to me! My site was doing fine , a backlinking campaign gave me a boost to top of page one and then i dropped right down - not just the page i was backlinking but all the other pages in my site too seemed to drop from their positions - i also used angelas backlinks

is the problem angelas backlinks?

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by disi

All I do is adding few backlinks. .........

And the funniest thing is that my site went up the most when I did nothing for 2 months!

First, you're only adding a few backlinks so it's no wonder your site isn't going anywhere. If almost all of these are profile links they won't be counted very quickly, if at all. Your "do nothing" boost might have been because some of the links finally got counted. But, since you did nothing you don't have any new links while other sites get new links and increase in rank while yours declines.

[disi]

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

First, you're only adding a few backlinks so it's no wonder your site isn't going anywhere. If almost all of these are profile links they won't be counted very quickly, if at all. Your "do nothing" boost might have been because some of the links finally got counted. But, since you did nothing you don't have any new links while other sites get new links and increase in rank while yours declines.

Yeah. Thank you all guys. I think I will try to add different backlinks. I was adding only Angea links(link in profiles). I can see my competition adds a lot of low page rank links...they have +1,000 from some different places(it looks like they build own pages to link from them). I thought that since I add higher ranked backlinks I can outpace them.

So I am stopping now Angela links and will try to add other type of links. Let's see what happens.

Thank you all guys for your input.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by disi

That is what I have been thinking about too. But people who use backlinks claim that relevancy has nothing to do with it.

Don't buy that either. Relevancy has something to do with it. Its not that a backlink with no relevance has no benefit but it should be mixed in with some relevance juice as well.

Check out Angela's ranking for backlinks. Notice its a content rich article page residing on a content rich site (Goarticles) not her sales letter page.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Don't buy that either. Relevancy has something to do with it. Its not that a backlink with no relevance has no benefit but it should be mixed in with some relevance juice as well.

Check out Angela's ranking for backlinks. Notice its a content rich article page residing on a content rich site (Goarticles) not her sales letter page.

LOL .. of course it has NOTHING to do with the over 2500 "irrelevant" backlinks she has point to that article.

I know a little bit about this one ... My site bounces from #7-11 frequently for the term backlinks as well. Minimal onpage seo and 100% irrelevant sites backlinks. [ no PR pages ta boot! ]

Same thing with insurance marketing term.

[iblbuilder]

I recommend using ALL means to build your backlinks. I even recommend that to my own link network members. It is never good to put all your eggs in one basket.

[InternetMarketingIQ]

"But you can add too many links too quickly and trigger spam filters."

Negative! The issue is not quantity, it's quality. Add as many per day as you want. If the above were true then any press release that got published on 1,000's of sites would automatically penalize the destination site.

Spam is spam, and quality is quality. As long as your links are quality it doesn't matter the volume per day.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by stev998

There's a definite science and a definite art to making websites rank #1, which is SEO, or search engine optimization. When it's done right, your business gets found by thousands of new people daily –and secures you new levels of online profits and success.

Briefly, here's how it works. Most people who search the Web for products or services will go to Google or other search engines and type in their search terms, or keywords. Sites that appear in top results for these keywords are getting the greatest streams of visitors looking exactly for what they offer (that's why these crowds of people are most likely to pay).

No sh*t?

I just thought $$$ flew into my paypal account the instant I uploaded a wordpress blog?

Im sure your upcoming wso will be a gem!

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

I just thought $$$ flew into my paypal account the instant I uploaded a wordpress blog?

They do?

Carlos

[Money Bomb]

I thought lots excessive backlinks puts new sites into sandbox mode until google trusts the site.

I always hear about blogs that hit the front page of digg, and they don't suffer a slap.

I would think if spam filters were real, then any website that suddenly goes viral would be slapped right after the server load crashed it.