.NET vs .ORG Real world live test with xfactor method

[clickbump]

If you saw the other thread on how my .net xfactor niche site made money 2 days after launching with a #5 G ranking, then was delisted just this morning, then this thread might be of interest to you.

Since the launch was so successful (up until the point of delisting), I'm going to try the same site launch (without the apparently critical mistake I made) with the .ORG

Everything will be exactly the same, but using .ORG in the domain name vs .NET but I will try my best not to botch the initial adsense crawl like I did on the previous site.

[clickbump]

Step 1: Got the domain at 1and1. Hooray!

Next up:
Make a copy of the .net site using find/replace to change the .net references to .org

[D3t0x]

When you say delisted do you mean sandboxed? or are they deindexed?

If you type your site in quotes and it still comes up that means it will probably bounce back to the top of the SERPS provided you start building backlinks.

Most new domains get an early good ranking and this wears off usually after 2 weeks of being indexed. You need to build backlinks to keep that spot.

If you follow the exact same steps you did with using your .NET domain I can guarantee the same will happen for your .ORG as well.

I have already bought over 60 domains following xfactors method and all sites were sandboxed after the initial jump they received, but only to come back up later (some not all)..Theses were .COM's, .NET's and .ORG's

[clickbump]

OK, find and replace done. I also renamed some of the css classes so as not to risk any footprint issues with the old similar site. Not sure if this makes any difference whatsover, but ounce of prevention, pound of cure and all that jazz...

One question I have is with the google_ad_slot ID. Should this be unique across all my sites? I've just been copying and pasting my adsense block every time I create a new site, but I notice that this ID I've never changed since I got my code for the first site.

Only reason I ask is that I want to make sure there's no ties between this site and the previous one.

Anyone know?

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by D3t0x

Are you sure you were completely deindexed or are you just sandboxed?

If you type your site in quotes and it still comes up that means it will probably bounce back to the top of the SERPS provided you start building backlinks.

site:domainname AND info:domainname returns no results. Google webmaster account still showing ranking for 10 keywords in slots 5-12 (i guess it has not updated yet)

I'm fairly certain, based on the reasons I've outlined in the other thread, that this site is delisted.

[clickbump]

OK, the site has been copied and I've changed the class references to avoid any footprint issues with the previous site.

Next up,

1) create an Add on domain at hostgator to host the site
2) change dns at 1and1 to point to hostgator nameservers
3) upload the site to hostgator (without adsense until indexed!)

[clickbump]

1) create an Add on domain at hostgator to host the site
Done!
Minor glitch with the default subdomain since it already existed for the previous site. HG chat support quickly enlightened me and resolved it. HG chat support is Number One!

2) change dns at 1and1 to point to hostgator nameservers:
Waiting on 1and1 to officially obtain domain control. Domain status is currently: "The domain has been requested".

3) upload the site to hostgator (without adsense until indexed!)
Done!
I should have made this step 2, since it can be done before DNS setup. I use Firefox FireFTP btw...

[Andrew O]

Hey Clickbump, thank you for sharing this experiment, I read the other thread and I'm looking forward to how this turns out!

[ravichauhan]

OK, find and replace done. I also renamed some of the css classes so as not to risk any footprint issues with the old similar site. Not sure if this makes any difference whatsover, but ounce of prevention, pound of cure and all that jazz...

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by ravichauhan

OK, find and replace done. I also renamed some of the css classes so as not to risk any footprint issues with the old similar site. Not sure if this makes any difference whatsover, but ounce of prevention, pound of cure and all that jazz...

Huh? Did you mean to reply with a quote?

[clickbump]

Next up:
Set Up Analytics with Big G

While I'm waiting on 1and1 domain control to clear the domain, I'm going to go ahead and add this site to my G Analytics account.

One question for any analytics gurus, I've made the mistake of adding a site under an existing site, rather than out on its on in the default listing. This is annoying because I prefer to see all my sites in the initial listing, but if you added a site while viewing another site, it will default to a child of that account and not be seen on the default analytics listing.

Any way to move a GA website to the root account once its been created and getting stats?

[JMartin]

Good luck with it.

I buy .com THEN .org. I skip .net unless forced into it.

I have many .orgs and one of my top AdSense earners for years is a .org and it's a freaking rock at #1.

Looking forward to reading more.

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by MarketingTide

Hey Clickbump, thank you for sharing this experiment, I read the other thread and I'm looking forward to how this turns out!

Thanks MarketingTide, I think this will be an interesting experiment, both to compare .NET to .ORG performance in the SERPS (though I think there will be little difference other than end user perception when viewing the search results) and also to serve as an illustration of some of the steps taken to get a site up and running and into the money, then backlinking to stay up top.

btw, being from Bama, I like your username :-)

[clickbump]

Okay, 1and1 changed status to "Ready" and I've now updated the nameserver addresses to point to the hostgator addresses.

Status then changed to "Updating"... It won't be long now!

Also completed the Analytics setup, did a find/replace on my site pages with the updated ID and updated pages on the server.

At this point, I just have a home page, about, contact and privacy...

[clickbump]

Update:
The site has now propogated at 1and1 and I resolves to their default park page (previous to that, even though the domain was registered and ready, I got 404 when hitting the site URL).

I assume it will be a matter of waiting for my DNS edits to propogate across the ether over the few hours and I can begin the initial steps to get the site indexed.

Did a flush DNS just to make sure.

Command Prompt >ipconfig /flushdns

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by JMartin

Good luck with it.

I buy .com THEN .org. I skip .net unless forced into it.

I have many .orgs and one of my top AdSense earners for years is a .org and it's a freaking rock at #1.

Looking forward to reading more.

Probably a good strategy I suppose. We will soon find out. I've done well with both. Lately, its come down to cost: 1and1 has a very low cost special right now on .NET domains (with no cost domain privacy to boot) :-)

[JMartin]

Originally Posted by clickbump

Probably a good strategy I suppose. We will soon find out. I've done well with both. Lately, its come down to cost: 1and1 has a very low cost special right now on .NET domains (with no cost domain privacy to boot) :-)

Yeah, no cost privacy is very nice. And when you buy a lot of domains, $15 .orgs can get old really fast.

[clickbump]

While waiting for the nameserver update to kick in, I've taken the time to write an article that i will use to promote the site.

If any of you are students of the xfactor method, you know that the article's subject matter does not have to be in any way connected with your niche.

The sole purpose of the article is to get your site's main keyword out there so that the google bot can give you a backlink credit. Hopefully the article is compelling enough to be picked up by lots of other websites. This gives your article writing efforts, compounding interest if you will. One tiny little article with your main site's keywords in the resource box URL can yield an unlimited number of backlinks, or more likely, just one.

I only expect my article to generate one backlink so I'm not disappointed if nothing happens and the article does not get picked up. It's definitely a bonus if it does!

As an aside: Right now I'm down with the flu and so is my seven year old son. If any of you ever had to take tamiflu, particularly in liquid form, you know how absolutely terrible it tastes. So I chose to write about the experience of trying to get a young child to take a pill for the first time and some tips I can offer to help other parents do the same.

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by JMartin

Yeah, no cost privacy is very nice. And when you buy a lot of domains, $15 .orgs can get old really fast.

Fifteen dollar .orgs!!!

Where are you buying your domains? check out domainsarefree and 1and1 for some significantly better deals.

[clickbump]

Update: site is now live and resolves at www.keywordphrase.org

Next steps:

1. Digg.com (best way I've found to get the site indexed fast)
2. Create sitemap.xml
3. Google webmaster setup
4. Add adsense block (I have better luck doing this once indexed, but the risk is losing some initial cash when the site first indexes at the top of the SERPS. (Anyone know of a way to set up an alert when your site first hits the SERPS?)

[JMartin]

Originally Posted by clickbump

Fifteen dollar .orgs!!!

Where are you buying your domains? check out domainsarefree and 1and1 for some significantly better deals.

GoDaddy. I have over 100 domains over there. I'm trying to keep things together now.

[clickbump]

Update:
Digg.com rocks! Site got indexed 10 hours ago according to google's site:domain info
That's only a few hours after it was initially posted to digg!

Still not ranked in top 100 according to ranktracker, but I expect that any moment now. As an interesting aside, as I posted on the other thread, the .net is back in the index and sitting at #6

[terryrayburn]

Originally Posted by clickbump

If any of you are students of the xfactor method, you know that the article's subject matter does not have to be in any way connected with your niche.

See post at:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ted-niche.html

[JMartin]

I write in my niche, but not for my KWPs.

Example:

Let's say I have a site about traveling to Las Vegas. I'd write LV travel articles that use upper-level KWPs (like Las Vegas or Las Vegas Travel) or something else, but stay away from my main money KWPs (for instance, Las Vegas Cheap Hotels or something).

This way:

1. My articles are related to my site.

2. I'm not giving away the farm.

3. I'm not boosting a listing (EZA) over mine.

[Revolves]

Originally Posted by JMartin

GoDaddy. I have over 100 domains over there. I'm trying to keep things together now.

Do consider moniker in the future, the .orgs are priced at $8 there.

[clickbump]

Just to keep this thread on topic, here's an update on the site comparison...

The .net version of the site just reappeared this morning in the G index at #6 just as it was before delisting. I had already removed the htaccess redirect as well as adsense prior to its reappearance in the index. I'm not sure if it was this that got the site back in good graces or not. That's really all I did. I was expecting it to take much longer which is why I went ahead and jumped on the .org

So now we have two sites competing for the same searches! Not sure of the wisdom of that, but it is what it is and might make for some interesting split testing with different templates and copy. That's how I intend to use it anyway.

As an update, the .org has been indexed as previously indicated, shortly after it was dugg at digg.com. This does not mean that a digg always works this fast to get a site indexed, however, as I have two sites that were created and dugg at the same time I did the digg on the .net version of this site and they are not yet indexed for whatever reason.

The .org is still not ranked, .net is sitting at #6 and earning.

Once the .org gets to the top page, I will begin split testing between the .org and .net sites. The .net site is dressed in my slightly modified version of the xfactor template and the .org will be running in a template of my own design that has generated some very impressive conversion numbers on a low traffic niche site (it bears no resemblance at all to xfactor version).

At one point, this particular template was converting so well, I felt like doing something so that it would tamp down conversions. It was scarily effective at drawing out clicks. Shortly thereafter, the site got placed in the back of the dance line and has not been back on stage.

[htedf]

Originally Posted by clickbump

At one point, this particular template was converting so well, I felt like doing something so that it would tamp down conversions. It was scarily effective at drawing out clicks. Shortly thereafter, the site got placed in the back of the dance line and has not been back on stage.

Um...maybe I'm a bit slow...but why would you want to "tamp down conversions"?

Ted

[jayanuaria]

Conclusion?

[jayanuaria]

Conclusion?

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by jayanuaria

Conclusion?

The .net version has been going strong since day 1 (with the one exception of the redirect mistake that got it delisted for a couple of days) but the .org never caught on...

I did this experiment way back in September and I've sense learned (after launching several of both types of sites) It likely makes no difference whether a site carries a .org or a .net - I've got sites with both extensions that stay on page 1 and earn fine.

[ceeme]

i buy only .COM .NET .ORG

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by ceeme

i buy only .COM .NET .ORG

me too! :-)