How Are Important Are Niche Related Backlinks

[teamind]

Can anyone tell me how important niche related backlinks are?

For example, I am planning on targeting the real estate industry. For my keywords, the top spots in Google have hundreds, if not thousands, of industry-related backlinks.

To compete with them, will I need to also obtain industry-related backlinks? If so, see question at end of this post.

Or, will backlinks from quality "backlinks packages" (which cover a wide variety of niches) do the job for me? (i.e. Paul's, Angela's, or Rich's packages)

If it is FAR better to focus on industry-related, I know I can use Yahoo to find my competitors' top 1,000 backlinks to consider for myself. However, it's not obvious how to go about getting these same backlinks for my own sites. Any guidance to offer on this?

Thanks!
Kelly

[dave147]

It would be best to concentrate on related backlinks only, it is an important part of great SEO

[teamind]

Thanks, Dave. It "seems" industry-related IS the best way to go.

Can anyone chime in on the best way to achieve industry-related links? As I mentioned in the original post, I know how to find the sites from which my competitors have backlinks. However, I'm not quite sure how to achieve the same (or better) backlinks. Any Step 1, 2, 3 OR a link to a how-to page anyone can post?

Thanks!
Kelly

[jasonmorgan]

I know how to find the sites from which my competitors have backlinks. However, I'm not quite sure how to achieve the same (or better) backlinks.

If you run a quality content site, you could always email the webmasters of those sites and politely ask for a backlink, or work out some sort of recip linking to benefit both of you. You just need to find an angle to wiggle your way into their blogroll.

Now, remax and realtor.com are probably going to ignore you and aren't even worth contacting but you may find some smaller sites who might be interested.

Look for mom and pop operations and blogs not the corporate monsters. Also, you don't need to get backlinks from the top 20 sites. A solid collection of niche related backlinks from individual sites that may not themselves rank very high can still add up to a lot of backlink firepower.

Send out emails and feed some egos... you know, 'I love your site blah blah blah, I run a similar site blah blah blah... I added a link to you... hint hint... '. This analogy may sound a bit rude but: work it like girls do at bars to get free drinks. The ego is a fragile thing and weak when it comes to a little flattery and attention.

The deal with backlinks...

getting backlinks is easy

getting quality backlinks takes some work but gets easier as you get the hang of where and how to look

getting quality niche related backlinks is a massive pain in the rear... but in my opinion well worth it.

[teamind]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

If you run a quality content site, you could always email the webmasters of those sites and politely ask for a backlink, or work out some sort of recip linking to benefit both of you. You just need to find an angle to wiggle your way into their blogroll.

Now, remax and realtor.com are probably going to ignore you and aren't even worth contacting but you may find some smaller sites who might be interested.

Look for mom and pop operations and blogs not the corporate monsters. Also, you don't need to get backlinks from the top 20 sites. A solid collection of niche related backlinks from individual sites that may not themselves rank very high can still add up to a lot of backlink firepower.

Send out emails and feed some egos... you know, 'I love your site blah blah blah, I run a similar site blah blah blah... I added a link to you... hint hint... '. This analogy may sound a bit rude but: work it like girls do at bars to get free drinks. The ego is a fragile thing and weak when it comes to a little flattery and attention.

The deal with backlinks...

getting backlinks is easy

getting quality backlinks takes some work but gets easier as you get the hang of where and how to look

getting quality niche related backlinks is a massive pain in the rear... but in my opinion well worth it.

Hey Jason,

Thanks for this sobering info. I was finding myself having cocky thoughts that I could easily beat out some of these folks - with just some long-term persistence. But, a little bell was going off saying "It's not that easy, Kelly." Although you have made clear it is still quite possible for me to beat them, for some keywords it may be a tough haul. So, I'd need to make sure the payouts would be worth the effort.

Thanks for the thorough answer!
Kelly

[Malachi Kelly]

Your selected niche is very competitive the bset way to hit your market would be to create a landing page targeted at a specific part of real estate and try to answer the question possed with some free content. Then build a list that you can send to your money site.

[teamind]

Hey Malachi,

Ding...ding...ding! You just set off another bell in my head and gave me a "duh" moment. You are SO right. There are a TON of related niches I could write content for and use them to drive traffic to my site.

Thanks for blowing the walls off my head. :-) It was getting dusty in there.

Cheers,
Kelly

[jasonmorgan]

for some keywords it may be a tough haul

very true, which is why most would suggest chasing after less competitive keywords to start with. They may not be as profitable but the chances for success are greater and it gives you some experience and knowledge to use for your next project.

The amount of success you have with "backlink packages" really depends on the strength of your competition and you are working more of a numbers game, quantity over quality. I use similar backlinks myself (I do not use any sold here, I find my own, but we cross paths) so I'm not knocking them, but I do consider them as filler backlinks to give my overall backlink portfolio a boost. For low competition keywords they can be very successful but I don't think I'll ever rank #1 for ipod with them.

Something to keep in mind with "backlink packages", the cat is out of the bag on this style of backlinking, it's essentially become backlinking for dummies and everybody is doing it. With so many people buying these packages and sending them off to a virtual assistant, now you have to do the same plus something extra. Having higher quality and relevant backlinks are what you need to stick out from the crowd.

[teamind]

Hey Jason,

I was starting to suspect that would quickly become the case...plus, Google always catches on. So, at least learning how to do the RIGHT/ORGANIC way can never hurt me.

Your comments coupled with what Malachi shared in this thread have put a lightbulb in my head and shown me that there are numerous ways to achieve this without having to go head to head for the toughest spots.

I've no problem with the lesser volume/competition keywords, I just didn't like the volumes I was seeing (even though there are a TON of keywords for the niche). Now, with opening up the keyword playing field to target 'related' areas, I'm suddenly finding hugh search volumes. And, I can definitely play off of this! BIG TIME!

(Am running a bunch through Micro Niche Finder now. I know I'm going to find some golden keywords!)

Fire in the belly now!
Kelly

[jasonmorgan]

Malachi has some good tips... I can tell from his suggestion that we work different angles of the IM game but what he said is very relevant, just our methods and terminology are different.

If you are planning on running your own website, take a look at the content on your site, break the content of your site down into the various long-tail keywords for that content and keep a list of those long-tail keywords you want to rank for... maybe 10 or so.

Instead of trying to rank for the big keyword, start working on backlinking campaigns for the less competitive long-tail keywords.

Each of these backlink campaigns will link to a specific page or post, or a landing page as Malachi calls them, so you are spreading out your backlinks to target deep within your site to the relevant content.

When you reach page one with your first campaign, start the next until you've done this with your entire list of long-tail keywords.

At this point I wouldn't suggest doing campaigns for all of your long-tail keywords at once because with each one you are going to learn new tricks and gain experience. When you're comfortable, run as many as you want at a time.

Also, while you are doing this you want to throw in some occasional backlink love for the big keywords you want to rank for as well. Unlike the campaign links, these can point towards your index page.

By doing this you are building up a really strong and well rounded site that by this point should have some decent authority. You should also see your ranking for the big keyword rising as well.

Now, the big keywords should be within striking distance and now that your site has some authority and weight behind it google is going to take you more seriously. Also, you've proven that you can take on the less competitive keywords and now it's time to 'bring it' to the big boys.

Well, that's an overview of how I do it. But everyone has their own goals and what works for one might not work for another.

[jasonmorgan]

I should invest in micro niche finder, my dinosaur methods are... dumb.

[AggieMom]

IMO, the thing is to enhance the relevacy in Google's eyes.

As we all know that google didn't regard KW as a criteria anymore, so relevancy become more subtle and difficult do define.

[teamind]

Micro Niche Finder (MNF) totally rocks and will cut scores off your keyword search and evaluation.

I'm going to print up your reply to me (#10) because it makes a lot of sense and will fit the way I'm hitting this niche. Thank you for making the time for such a great reply!

Because I want to rank for lots of keywords (in many related areas), but not have them exactly on my site, my current steps are:
1) Build a regular site on the tightly focused niche (where competition can sometimes be tough, but there is still room to play)
2) Then, have a lot of pages on the site that do not direct link to the Home Page or Navigation. Each of these pages will be focused on long-tails or the awesome keywords I've found tonight that have great searches but extremely low competition - i.e. 43 competing pages. HA! Lovin' it!

So, Jason, you've now got 2 more "Thanks" added to your profile!

Kelly

[teamind]

Also, Jason, wanted to share that the best way I've found to use MNF is to run all my mass Keyword searches through Googles Keyword Search Tool. Then, save all the ones I like to a .csv file. From there, I import them into MNF (limit of 100 keywords per batch). And, let MNF do it's thing.

In just minutes, I can see EXACT competition, how stiff the competition is, quickly find out who my competitors are, find affiliate products, find out how many Ezine Articles are already written using the keyword, the PPC cost, etc.

And, the tech support is awesome. Free updates are included.

Kelly

[Malachi Kelly]

another good way to target your niche using PPC is to bid on your competitors domain name for e.g i typed in real estate boston houses for sale.

In number 1 is www . truila . com a real estate search engine.

no if you type in www . truila . com in the Google there is no PPC results...Damn gave away a really good niche, very cheap clicks.

Trulia got over 2.3 million visitors in aug according to Quantcast...do you thing some of those visitors typed the domain name into the search fuction by mistake.

bingo you can steal some traffic with a compelling advert.

[teamind]

Originally Posted by Malachi Kelly

another good way to target your niche using PPC is to bid on your competitors domain name for e.g i typed in real estate boston houses for sale.

In number 1 is www . truila . com a real estate search engine.

no if you type in www . truila . com in the Google there is no PPC results...Damn gave away a really good niche, very cheap clicks.

Trulia got over 2.3 million visitors in aug according to Quantcast...do you thing some of those visitors typed the domain name into the search fuction by mistake.

bingo you can steal some traffic with a compelling advert.

Dang dude - that's another good idea. I'm not doing PPC for this yet (figured it would be too expensive). However, I can see working this from a geographic market angle.

I'll keep this one in my hip pocket as one of my advanced strategies for driving traffic to the site(s)! Love it. Thank you, thank you, Malachi.

Kelly

[Canadaseopro]

Niche Related Backlinks

Recent Google Panda Algorithm Facts:

1. Un-related themed backlinks do not increase your website's ranking
2. Cheep unrelated backlinks pointing to your website do not increase it's ranking.
3. Google now has a ranking dependence on social platform backlinks.
4. Only articles on the top 60 PR article directory websites will have a ranking effect

Originally Posted by teamind

Can anyone tell me how important niche related backlinks are?

For example, I am planning on targeting the real estate industry. For my keywords, the top spots in Google have hundreds, if not thousands, of industry-related backlinks.

To compete with them, will I need to also obtain industry-related backlinks? If so, see question at end of this post.

Or, will backlinks from quality "backlinks packages" (which cover a wide variety of niches) do the job for me? (i.e. Paul's, Angela's, or Rich's packages)

If it is FAR better to focus on industry-related, I know I can use Yahoo to find my competitors' top 1,000 backlinks to consider for myself. However, it's not obvious how to go about getting these same backlinks for my own sites. Any guidance to offer on this?

Thanks!
Kelly

[Shakd]

That's for sure food for thought... thanks!

[josephrhodes06]

I think that's the way you build links ethically. It only means that you're not spamming.

[derekad]

first of all it gives you backlinks with better power + you will get extra traffic from that places

[backlinksmasters]

Do not forget about video marketing, article marketing and use Micro niche finder to look for gold long tail keywords that can drive traffic to your sites!

[kposs]

"Facts"? Really, come on. Write carefully, someone might actually believe you!

1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Maybe an addition to the massive algorithm.
4. Wrong.

I do massive scale article distribution using a wide variety of topics, most of which are not relevant at all to the target and the links are very effective.

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

Recent Google Panda Algorithm Facts:

1. Un-related themed backlinks do not increase your website's ranking
2. Cheep unrelated backlinks pointing to your website do not increase it's ranking.
3. Google now has a ranking dependence on social platform backlinks.
4. Only articles on the top 60 PR article directory websites will have a ranking effect

[rankinghero]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

Niche Related Backlinks

1. Un-related themed backlinks do not increase your website's ranking

Really?

Mmm god... It's good that I don't make a living from SEO.

So if I get a customer and they are a funeral agency.... I need to get links from mmm death related topics?

Or what if I'm trying to rank an TRENDS website....

or if I'm trying to get my a church group ranked....
do I get links from.... mmm the Vatican??

I wonder why when I google the keyword "Tea"

I found the Texas Education Agency and not a Tea Company.

I bet that the Texas Education Agency doesn't have many "food and beverages links to rank for "Tea" .

[retsek]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

Niche Related Backlinks

Recent Google Panda Algorithm Facts:

1. Un-related themed backlinks do not increase your website's ranking
2. Cheep unrelated backlinks pointing to your website do not increase it's ranking.
3. Google now has a ranking dependence on social platform backlinks.
4. Only articles on the top 60 PR article directory websites will have a ranking effect

jesus christ, this guy sells seo services?

[faceblogger]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

Niche Related Backlinks

Recent Google Panda Algorithm Facts:

1. Un-related themed backlinks do not increase your website's ranking
2. Cheep unrelated backlinks pointing to your website do not increase it's ranking.
3. Google now has a ranking dependence on social platform backlinks.
4. Only articles on the top 60 PR article directory websites will have a ranking effect

Facts = Foolish Assumptions????

[rankinghero]

@retsek
@ faceblogger

nice to see there are people with some SEO-sense here...

[Canadaseopro]

OK...PLEASE, I have been doing SEO for over 17 years and you people are trying to tell me whats whats bout back linking? Do you have any idea what your saying? Obviously you dont or you wouldn't have made such a "ROOKIE" statements, lol.

"Top 3 in google.ca for "website company" (globalwebsitecreations.com) out of over 2 BILLION results. Lets see your rankings??? yeah I think not.. lol. Unless you can contend with a S/E listings like that then I would NOT open my mouth, lol.

Originally Posted by kposs

"Facts"? Really, come on. Write carefully, someone might actually believe you!

1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Maybe an addition to the massive algorithm.
4. Wrong.

I do massive scale article distribution using a wide variety of topics, most of which are not relevant at all to the target and the links are very effective.

[retsek]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

kposs, PLEASE dont embarrass yourself here...I have top 3 rankings in over 2 billion results and have been doing SEO for over 17 years and you sit here and are trying to tel me whats whats bout back linking? Do you have any idea what your doing?? Ovbiously you dont or you wouldnt have made such a "ROOKIE" statement, lol. Dude you need to do some home work. Non niche related back links will NOT help your ranking at all. Article backlinks only get acredited from the top 50 - 60 article directories and its a proven fact that the more other twitter users post your doing a the higher your website will rank. The more likes you have on your facebook page the higher you wil rank. Best to know what your talking bout before commenting. THOSE ARE BACKLINK FACTS wannbe.

17 years and you're actually saying non related backlinks don't help rankings? What were those? dog years?

[charless]

Niched backlinks are the way to go, in SEO, it's important to be targeted and don't spam your domains with non-niched backlinks because from my experience, it delays the process of getting ranked in the search engines.

[Canadaseopro]

If you do your research and see whats back links that Texas Education Agency has backlinks going back to their website with the hyper text "TEA" to niche related learning blogs and forums genius.

[retsek]

don't pm me, guy.

You're just trying to sell your services, but it backfired. Stating falsehoods as "FACTS", will hurt your business.

Good Luck.
[Edit]

Oh ..and another thing, Panda had nothing to do with backlinks. More buzzwords to get the newbs to buy into your services?? Really come on.

[Canadaseopro]

lol I dont need clients i need you people not to misguide the public about your none effective back linking process.

The holy grail link is a keyword anchored link, in content, related niche on a high pr page, and of course, do follow.Thats it, non niche related backlinks will not help your website rankings, if it does its only until google crawls your sute a few times and find out that they are not niche related. which is called the "Google dance"

[retsek]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

lol I dont need clients i need you people not to misguide the public about your none effective back linking process.

Mislead the public??

You stated:

Recent Google Panda Algorithm Facts:

4. Only articles on the top 60 PR article directory websites will have a ranking effect

Panda hit ALL those article directories because their poor & thin content. Panda had nothing to do with backlinks, yet you headline it in your list of Backlink Facts. Again, using Buzzwords to scare the newbs?

[Canadaseopro]

I'm done trying to educate a know it all. Wheres your website S/E listings? Can I see them? If the newbies are smart they wil do there own research theirselves and find out the same thing I have mentioned al along. Panda has everything to do with back links! If the content on the article directories or low quality websites drop in rank where do you think your website is going to go? dude enough said do some research. lol.

Originally Posted by retsek

Mislead the public??

You stated:

Panda hit ALL those article directories because their poor & thin content. Panda had nothing to do with backlinks, yet you headline it in your list of Backlink Facts. Again, using Buzzwords to scare the newbs?

[rankinghero]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

OK...PLEASE, I have been doing SEO for over 17 years and you people are trying to tell me whats whats bout back linking? Do you have any idea what your saying? Obviously you dont or you wouldn't have made such a "ROOKIE" statements, lol.

"Top 3 in google.ca for "website company" (globalwebsitecreations.com) out of over 2 BILLION results. Lets see your rankings??? yeah I think not.. lol. Unless you can contend with a S/E listings like that then I would NOT open my mouth, lol.

hi champ....

Competing over 2 billion results?

that's not competition my dear warrior. the 2 billion results are not competing against you.... are they?

Are the 2 billion sites doing SEO for "website company"? ????? in Google Canada ?

I don't think so and the fact you mention that makes me believe you have no idea what you are talking about.

You want to see my rankings?

mmm like what?

Top 10 worldwide for

SEO packages
SEO consultant
SEO training


but hey, if your MOUTH is so big, PUT SOME MONEY in an SEO challenge.

What about 1K in an escrow account?

We both buy new domain names and we let the warrior forum chose a keyword and see who ranks higher after 3 months?

Fancy the challenge?

Go on... I'm just a rookie mate... and for sure your 17 years of freaking experience are going to make a massive difference.

Come on... 1K easy money.

[Canadaseopro]

Yes 17 years and im saying "non related backlinks don't help rankings" if they do its the google dance, its what happens until Google realizes your back links are not niche related.

Originally Posted by retsek

17 years and you're actually saying non related backlinks don't help rankings? What were those? dog years?

[Canadaseopro]

YOUR ON, SEO training? lol I own the top spot in Canada. message me ill take your money, lol

P.S. - I said results not competitors, message me already , put your money where your mouth is Mr SEOBOOK. hahah your a walk in the park

Originally Posted by rankinghero

hi champ....

Competing over 2 billion results?

that's not competition my dear warrior. the 2 billion results are not competing against you.... are they?

Are the 2 billion sites doing SEO for "website company"? ????? in Google Canada ?

I don't think so and the fact you mention that makes me believe you have no idea what you are talking about.

You want to see my rankings?

mmm like what?

Top 10 worldwide for

SEO packages
SEO consultant
SEO training


but hey, if your MOUTH is so big, PUT SOME MONEY IN and challenge for an SEO challenge.

What about 1K in an escrow account?

We both buy new domain names and we let the warrior forum chose a keyword and see who ranks higher after 1 month?

Fancy the challenge?

Go on... I'm just a rookie mate... and for sure your 17 years of freaking experience are going to make a massive difference.

Come on... 1K easy money.

[Fernando Veloso]

Let me just say this before I drop out of this "my wiener is bigger then yours" thread:

Niche related backlinks have major impact on your rankings cause:

a) It's often a signal you're a authority person/company in that niche
b) It's often a signal you're a website credible in that niche
c) It's often a signal your content is credible and deserves promotion form your industry partners

Keep in mind I used the word often, cause sometimes it's all a lie.

Now please, get back to your great discussion on who is right and wrong. I'll get some popcorns.

Fernando

[rankinghero]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

"Top 3 in google.ca for "website company" (globalwebsitecreations.com) out of over 2 BILLION results. Lets see your rankings??? yeah I think not.. lol. Unless you can contend with a S/E listings like that then I would NOT open my mouth, lol.

Mmmmm so you are 3rd in Canada for this term

Amount of exact searches per month: 210 in Canada...

gosh... and you still can't get in 1st position?

May be you really need the 1K of the challenge...

[rankinghero]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

YOUR ON, SEO training? lol I own the top spot in Canada. message me ill take your money, lol

p.s - I said results not competitors, message me already , put your money where your mouth is Mr SEOBOOK. hahah your a walk in the park

So you want to take my money?

Great!

So that means you are accepting the challenge? (Please confirm)

in that way let's define the rules, and we have an SEO contest here.

happy for both of us to put the money in an escrow account?

The whole warrior forum it's reading so let's get this going...

[Canadaseopro]

210 website design requests per month I hand my clients, yeah that's a pretty huge ROI.

Originally Posted by rankinghero

Mmmmm so you are 3rd in Canada for this term

Amount of exact searches per month: 210 in Canada...

gosh... and you still can't get in 1st position?

May be you really need the 1K of the challenge...

[Fernando Veloso]

You folks better move your contest to a separate thread.

Edit: Unless of course you want to add some information on this thread topic - which doesn't seem an option for you two.

[rankinghero]

Originally Posted by Canadaseopro

210 website design requests per month I hand my clients, yeah that's a pretty huge ROI.

Web design it's not SEO...

but hey great for you.

So you are NOT accepting the challenge is that right?

Let's do this... If I win the challenge I give the money to the charity I created

http://www.seoforkids.com

Let me know... I can't wait to loose.

[Canadaseopro]

Im here lets do it, not a problem at all. I'm not scared of your big words. The winner holds the top spot for 3 months. Any keyword and S/E. Bring it on wannabe.

Originally Posted by rankinghero

So you want to take my money?

Great!

So that means you are accepting the challenge? (Please confirm)

in that way let's define the rules, and we have an SEO contest here.

happy for both of us to put the money in an escrow account?

The whole warrior forum it's reading so let's get this going...

[Canadaseopro]

I'm here when I win you dont youer money, just admit in here and on a website, with my niche related link back to my website, who is the better SEO.

Originally Posted by rankinghero

Web design it's not SEO...

but hey great for you.

So you are NOT accepting the challenge is that right?

Let's do this... If I win the challenge I give the money to the charity I created

SEO for Kids | Helping Kids in Fiji …

Let me know... I can't wait to loose.

[rankinghero]

Great. Let's open a threat a new threat for this.... to set up rules.

PM details of where you want to open the escrow account.
Once we do this we let the forum users to choose a keyword and we both register a brand new domain name .

[retsek]

Lol this guy is funny. He tried to show me he top 3 ranking in canada via PM. I laughed so hard. Who the f**k searches for website company. Yeah that's what I thought. 210 people.

[Canadaseopro]

its not bout the money for me dude, I dont need any. It about shutting your HUGE mouth up.

ONLY ONE RULE:

Both competitors will compete for the same keyword in the same (neutral) country in the same search engine. (preferably India) The winner will have the top spot for 90 consecutive days.

Originally Posted by rankinghero

Great. Let's open a threat a new threat for this.... to set up rules.

PM details of where you want to open the escrow account.
Once we do this we let the forum users to choose a keyword and we both register a brand new domain name .

[rankinghero]

Post more info here:
CanadaSEOPro vs Rankinghero SEO challenge

[Canadaseopro]

not sure where you get your info from wannbe but my Google analytic s tells me there's over 425 search last month for website company. Which turns out to appox 250 website requests per month for my client. Keep talking wannabe.

Originally Posted by retsek

Lol this guy is funny. He tried to show me he top 3 ranking in canada via PM. I laughed so hard. Who the f**k searches for website company. Yeah that's what I thought. 210 people.