Please help me to pick Niche for XFactor course

[cucat]

Hi all,

First of all, I must say thank you to XFactor (John) for his amazing ebook. I've purchased it and it really helps me (a newbie in Google Adsense World) a lot.

But the problem is, I haven't had enough money to buy Micro Niche Finder now, I am jobless and currently work as a freelancer for some small projects to save the money for my daily life and to buy MNF later. I've tried some basic methods to find niche ideas with Google Keyword tool, Amazon, Ebay pulse and Spyfu,... but it seems that I can't really pick a niche for myself. (

So, I really want someone who has worked with XFactor method, please help me to pick a Niche based on your Micro Niche Finder. If you think you can share me a Niche and its 5 keywords (based in XFactor ebook), please PM me, and You can ask me to do something back for you. I work in web developement and can work with PHP, MySQL, and can convert from PSD to HTML...or I can pay some small money (~5usd) for your Niche and keyword research. Please help me to continue with Xfactor method,...

P/s:
- If someone give me some Niche keywords for FREE. And if I received 2 Niche keywords research from some good guys, I will tell you all know so that you don't need to PM me more about Niche research, cause I have had something to start with.

Thanks you so much for reading this thread.

[paullive1986]

Hello Cucat,
If you are looking for a niche or a micro niche. You can try market samurai. I know you need to purchase it but they offer free trials for 30day. you can use it for free and then when it expires you use another account for free trial, until such time that you earn your money to buy for it.

I also have a group in Linkedin you could visit that site, The name of the group is freelancer's club, my group members are really willing to answer questions that might help you.
I know my members , I know they will help.

Hope you'll see what you're looking for, Thank you.

[cucat]

@Paullive 1986

- Thank for your quick reply! I will join your freelancer's club. ^_^

- I am trying to follow exactly Xfactor course, so I still wait for some more help from those, who use MNF. But I will try with Market Samurai too

[GossipCrunch]

Message me and I will help you with niche keyword selection. As you are a web developer with PHP expertise, I believe we can make a deadly combination.
Do let me know at the earliest.

[neddag]

You might also want to sign up for Scot Standke's free Niche A Day service.

Take the information and keywords (with counts) provided in the daily email and just check the competition yourself in G.

Niche Finder

I have no connection to the service other than to say it will be useful for what you are wanting to do.

Ned

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by neddag

You might also want to sign up for Scot Standke's free Niche A Day service.

Take the information and keywords (with counts) provided in the daily email and just check the competition yourself in G.

Niche Finder

I have no connection to the service other than to say it will be useful for what you are wanting to do.

Ned

Problem with such services is that every Adsense person is going to jump on board and make such niches much more competitive than if you found them in the wild.

All the statements to the affect that there are tons of niches still for the picking notwithstanding...I think the influx of new Adsense newbie's into the field through books like John's ebook are going to make the field much more competitive than it has been. That's not a bad thing per se...I am just saying that if you and I focus on doing or using what everyone else is doing or using...without thinking outside the box once in a while...we may find ourselves slogging through some stiff competition as more and more people get on board with Adsense.

Carlos

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by cucat

Hi all,
But the problem is, I haven't had enough money to buy Micro Niche Finder now,

Neither do I cucat. But we don't need Micro Niche Finder or any other software to find niches. Yes...these software make it somewhat easier but if you or I have trouble finding niches on our own...these software will not magically do the work of finding niches for us much better than we could do on our own.

The main advantage to these software is the time savings in not having to crunch through all the numbers manually.

With regard to Google the software in question does not have any secret access to Google data that you and I don't have or could readily have through the Google Adwords Tool or through calls to the Google API.

You and I are perfectly capable of learning to find niches using nothing more than the Google Adwords Keyword Tool.

I would suggest you focus on becoming an expert in the use of the Google Keyword Adwords tool until you train your eyes to see profitable niche categories.

It may take you longer but so what. If it takes you a whole day to find a good niche as opposed to taking one hour...in the long run it will still be worthwhile and once you start making money you can afford to buy all these fancy software to help you. Not to mention that you will be far ahead of the crowd in understanding what niche picking is all about. Most just rely on software without fully understanding what they are looking at or why the software comes out with this or that recommendation.

If you know PHP you might consider writing your own interface to the Google API so that you can look things up like you want instead of relying on someone else's software to interpret the data for you (though accessing the Google API does cost .25 for each 1000 accesses or some such).

Carlos

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by paullive1986

I also have a group in Linkedin you could visit that site, The name of the group is freelancer's club, my group members are really willing to answer questions that might help you.

That may be but I don't know how much help 7 members will be able to give .

Carlos

[nettech]

Cucat,

What I would suggest is that you use Google AdWords keyword tool and do the keyword research manually. Reason I say this is that it takes a long time to find some very lucrative niches, unless you work with someone and offer them like a percentage of your return, it may be worth someone doing it, its hard finding niches as it is and someone will probably take the info and use it for themselves. MNF is a good tool but you can do a lot of what it does, it will only take a bit more time.

Just use the G tool, run an exact match and go for something less than 20,000. I Would also use a combination of inurl and allintitle to make your judgements. I was using this method prior to buying MNF and it was working very well.

I must also congratulate John on an excellent course.

Let us know how you get on Cucat and if you really struggle just throw your questions here on KW research or read some of the threads.

Good luck.

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by freezzo

Im a php dev with web experience

That's great. So am I. We have a leg up on many who hardly even know how to build a web site.

I take back what I said earlier in this thread about using the Google API and writing our own interface to it. While not overly complicated it is something that is not really needed. Just stick to the Google Adwords Keyword Tool and get real good at it and at seeing niche areas that might be good.

Stick to the basics without reliance on these fancy, newfangled, software programs that do the work for you. That's all they really do. Is do some of the work for you.

We can do our own work using free tools until we make enough to afford the newfangled, fancy programs.

Carlos

[Biggy Fat]

If you have Micro Niche Finder, there is a brainstorm function on there that reveals to you potential niches for you to explore. Check that out.

Also, you may want to look into Google's Product Search (which is where I THINK MNF gets its brainstorms). Go here: Google Product Search

[cucat]

Hi Guys,

Thanks you so much for your reply! Maybe, for some reasons like : laziness, fear,..., people like me doesn't want to action, we just want to have a better and better solution for a current problem. And then we just wait and don't do anything. It's waste of time!

Your replys make me more confident to continue play around with Google Keywords Tool. I just want to ask one more question about :

" How you know the Strength of Competitors is good for you ? "

For example:

1/ I found a niche that have exact search about ~2000 search/month
2/ Then I use Google and Search with :

- (a) "Keyword"
- (b) allintitle:Keyword
- (c) allinurl: Keyword

I just want to ask how many results is good for me to pick that niche for (a),(b),(c) cases ?

Besides, should I care much about the PR of Top 10 pages in the Search Result for that Keyword ?

Have a nice day

Cucat

[cucat]

@Carlos:

I've thought about making a small interface with Google API. I am now collecting some info and formula to check the strength of the Competitors for that interface. Thanks for your idea! ^_^

[alanfukuda]

My suggestion is to not rely so much on Google's Adword's tool, it's for Adwords advertisers and the organic searches are way out of whack (JMO). For one thing the searches are for Adwords advertisers and is set to broad by default (not exact), you need to manually change them when getting your search results, and it lumps in plurals as well (I think), and it uses the content network as well. Since you're probably going for organic searches I'd cross check them with Wordtracker's free tool or the SEObook tool as well.

And having used both MNF and MarketSamurai it seems that while MNF is easier to use and faster MarketSamurai is more comprehensive. I especially like how you can check off page SEO as well, backlinks, domain backlinks, age, PR, keyword in title, url, header, etc. before deciding to go after a certain keyword.

I'd suggest getting the free trial (full version) of MarketSamurai to get started. Sometimes low competing sites can be misleading, some are really well optimized. With MS can also find niches and longtail keywords.

Alan

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by alanfukuda

My suggestion is to not rely so much on Google's Adword's tool, ...

In so far as a newbie to Adsense like me can disagree with you Alan...well...I respectfully disagree LOL.

All the software that is touted around as being a must have gets its data from the same place we do. Google. It manipulates that data into readily presentable form, ads a few nice headings, spits out a bunch of number crunching for us, etc. But when all is said and done we can do the same thing using just the Google Adwords Tool and a few other freebies.

I am talking about Google wise. The software tools also take into account Yahoo this or Overture this and that but who cares? I am not interested in anything other than Google at this point.

If someone wants to pay $50 a month to use a fancy piece of software all the more power to them. If not...they don't have to. It might take longer without the fancy software tools but the results will be the same if they learn to use what is available for free in a competent way.

Carlos

[XFactor]

No keyword tool is 100% accurate, not even Google's.

- John

[kumkum]

If I only have Market samurai , Can I use it instead of MNF...

[jitterbug978]

dont complicate this so much, just pick a niche you are familiar with... ANY NICHE can be monetized with adsense. Just find the low competition keywords.

Then all you need is traffic.. granted different niches will have varying Ctr's...

[veotis]

Originally Posted by carlos123

In so far as a newbie to Adsense like me can disagree with you Alan...well...I respectfully disagree LOL.

All the software that is touted around as being a must have gets its data from the same place we do. Google. It manipulates that data into readily presentable form, ads a few nice headings, spits out a bunch of number crunching for us, etc. But when all is said and done we can do the same thing using just the Google Adwords Tool and a few other freebies.

I am talking about Google wise. The software tools also take into account Yahoo this or Overture this and that but who cares? I am not interested in anything other than Google at this point.

If someone wants to pay $50 a month to use a fancy piece of software all the more power to them. If not...they don't have to. It might take longer without the fancy software tools but the results will be the same if they learn to use what is available for free in a competent way.

Carlos

You are correct in the fact that most of these software tools get their data from Google. But, what it's going to boil down to is time. It takes time to drill down keywords to find a possible niche. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't have a lot of time to do this. Seriously, by the time you do it manually to find one keyword, I can let Micro Niche Finder do the work FOR me and find tens or hundreds of possible keywords. And, Micro Niche Finder is a one time fee that allows you to put it on two computers and free liftetime upgrades. While I think it's good to learn how to do it manually, why would you? It's like using a horse and buggy to get around when you can use an automobile. I'd much rather be using my time to promote my sites rather than being bogged down in keyword research. Just my opinion, though.

[nostih]

Any product that is sold online can be a niche. If you sit back and just look at all the stuff you have at HOME, you've got about 100 niches looking right at you.

Don't make this hard, it's not. Your goal is to hit $150 a month per site. I think that is the beauty of this process. You're not trying to nail $5000 from one site. $150 dollars a month is doable. Some sites will make more, some will make less.

I would not focus on what your earnings are until you've got 20-30 sites built and ranked. That will give you plenty of data to determine your next move.

Find 5 keywords(or whatever it takes, but at least 5) that total 5000 searchers a month(easy to find) and build the site around those 5 words, see what it does and than build it with more pages or leave it as is.

Make sure the keywords are all apart of a theme:

Sports balls>tennis balls>basket balls>baseballs, etc

Build 1, than build another, than another until you have 20-30 sites. Look at what those sites are doing and go from there.

Don't make it complicated because it's not. Even if the searchers are looking for info about a product, they'll still click on your adds because it's more information for them to read.

Do not get caught up into whether it's a "buying keyword" or not. You don't care if they buy anything, you just want the searcher to click on the adds. You don't need to be in a "buying mood" to click on a add. Do you?

I know a young lady that has a adsense site that pulls in $9k a month. It is not a product site. 100% of the people that go to her site are not trying to buy anything. They are looking for free info.

If someone is doing research on the product, it's a good chance they'll click also.

Follow the guide to the letter. By all means do not use the niches the John talks about in the guide. I can only imagine lots of people that bought the guide are jumping all over those niches.

Build a 5 pager and move on. Use the link building method that he talks about and work on other sites. Be patient, ranking takes time and it can be a roller coaster ride until the dust settles.


I've read most of the threads related to this course and It is amazing how complicated folks are making this. Right down to math formulas to determine searches(like they'll really figure out what Google is doing) and all kinds of crazy stuff. Don't get caught up into the madness. Some people over do it. You don't need do do everything perfect.

There are tons and tons and tons of niches. Don't make it hard.


Remember:
Niche/product
website
traffic

NEXT.....



Ron

Originally Posted by cucat

Hi all,

First of all, I must say thank you to XFactor (John) for his amazing ebook. I've purchased it and it really helps me (a newbie in Google Adsense World) a lot.

But the problem is, I haven't had enough money to buy Micro Niche Finder now, I am jobless and currently work as a freelancer for some small projects to save the money for my daily life and to buy MNF later. I've tried some basic methods to find niche ideas with Google Keyword tool, Amazon, Ebay pulse and Spyfu,... but it seems that I can't really pick a niche for myself. (

So, I really want someone who has worked with XFactor method, please help me to pick a Niche based on your Micro Niche Finder. If you think you can share me a Niche and its 5 keywords (based in XFactor ebook), please PM me, and You can ask me to do something back for you. I work in web developement and can work with PHP, MySQL, and can convert from PSD to HTML...or I can pay some small money (~5usd) for your Niche and keyword research. Please help me to continue with Xfactor method,...

P/s:
- If someone give me some Niche keywords for FREE. And if I received 2 Niche keywords research from some good guys, I will tell you all know so that you don't need to PM me more about Niche research, cause I have had something to start with.

Thanks you so much for reading this thread.

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by veotis

...Seriously, by the time you do it manually to find one keyword, I can let Micro Niche Finder do the work FOR me and find tens or hundreds of possible keywords.

Wonderful. Now how much time do you think it will take you to build 100's of web sites? Big deal if you can find hundreds of keywords. I don't rightly care about finding hundreds.

I care about finding 3 more good one's this next week that I can build sites around. And 3 after that for the week following. And 3 after that.

I am developing a system to build adsense sites that will enable me to build about 2/3 a day in a few weeks. But for now...I can't handle more than about 3 a week.

Eventually I think I will build my own software to pull the numbers I want and feel are most important from Google.

In the meantime....the Google Keyword Tool is great.

I'm not saying these tools aren't good to use (though I would double check them against the Google Keywords tool anyway). But if one is starting out and doesn't have much money...why bother buying these fancy, schamzie tools? Just use the free Google Adwords Tool to start. That's all you really need along with Yahoo's link uncovering abilities perhaps.

Carlos