My Detailed Experience of John's xFactor Adsense Strategy

[sarasayshi]

Originally Posted by WareTime

This is why John has been harping on this from day one and didn't release templates. And still we have hundreds of them. So if you like giving your niches to others get ready to work your butt off even more. Not directing this at you ladyfoster, but people in general that don't change anything out of either lazyness or some stupid belief that the phraseology John used in those templates is where the magic is at.

Plus when you do this you make the foot print that much larger which makes it that much easier for google to slap your site. Which I guess I should shut up about as it will be less competition for us that do change the template.

You have some good points but I hate hearing this. People always forget that it doesn't matter if you switch up your template several times, Google can track you through your adsens pub id#. There's your major footprint. lol

[mikengo]

I am going to put this up on my wall. It's a great "reality check" :-)

Mike

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

Signed
- A Little Discouraged When I Know I Shouldn't Be

[ronb107]

Ok.

Now that I've started XFactor's Adsense program, I need a decent tracking tool for both the movement within the website, and the clicks and profits.

Of course there is Google's Analytics and Adsense channels, but I would like more detailed and understandable info.

Two sites have come to my attention, and I hope others can give some feedback...

o AdsenseLog: tracks thru your Google Adsense account. Only limitation is that it tracks only one Adsense account. If you plan on having additional accounts, then this will not do.

o Adsense Detective: it tracks referral data, domains, urls (your pages), and clicks. It is hosted and costs $50 per month. It does not do the revenue side like AdsenseLog.

o Others?

Thanks for you help.

[evertd]

Originally Posted by ronb107

One quick question.

When writing articles on subjects unrelated to your website, doesn't Google discount the links, since the article is unrelated to the content of your website?

This is like have links from other websites that are unrelated pointing to you. My understanding was that Google devalues such links.

I suspect that I am wrong, since it appears to be working; but I have to ask anyways.

Thanks

If that is a concern to you, just write on something else in the same niche as your website. For example if your keyword is "thick yoga mats", then write about yoga poses, or yoga clothing, as long as you don't use your keyword in the article other than in the resource box.

[Bewley]

Originally Posted by evertd

If that is a concern to you, just write on something else in the same niche as your website. For example if your keyword is "thick yoga mats", then write about yoga poses, or yoga clothing, as long as you don't use your keyword in the article other than in the resource box.

I sincerely hope not! That would go against everything that John says about the article marketing part of his course!

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by Bewley

I sincerely hope not! That would go against everything that John says about the article marketing part of his course!

The advice given in my book is just 1 way of doing things
out of dozens possible.

I've actually doing the opposite for testing purposes and writing
articles about my niches.

The results? GREAT!

I'll be publishing this in a course update soon, but first am getting
the private forum up.

Just about there...

- John

[InternetMarketingIQ]

Seriously... take your articles... spin them just a bit and post them on HubPages... you'll make more money because they already have the respect of Google. So you get the PR Boost you need without taking a year to rank your own site.

Then use a couple of articles to point back to your hubpages content, build you rep, seed with affiliate links.

I'm not saying to stop what you are doing completely. Just if you want to make money now this will make more.

[ronb107]

Originally Posted by XFactor

The advice given in my book is just 1 way of doing things
out of dozens possible.

I've actually doing the opposite for testing purposes and writing
articles about my niches.

The results? GREAT!

I'll be publishing this in a course update soon, but first am getting
the private forum up.

Just about there...

- John

John, this would imply that the niche you are writing about is a popular subject, else it would not increase link juice over time. Or is my assumption wrong?

Also, what is your feeling about my original query regarding devaluation of the links by Google for topics unrelated to your niche?

Thanks,
Ron

[ronb107]

John (XFactor):

Also, do you use any particular tracking tool for testing purposes and management of your niches?

Thanks

[edpudol1973]

Hi John,

Quick question:

- Is it okey not to include those about us , privacy policy, and contact us page in our own sites?

[WareTime]

Originally Posted by sarasayshi

You have some good points but I hate hearing this. People always forget that it doesn't matter if you switch up your template several times, Google can track you through your adsens pub id#. There's your major footprint. lol

You misunderstand me. When I say footprint, I'm not talking about them tracking YOU, I'm talking about the "look" of a low quality site. Remember HyperVRE and BANS. Nobody raves about those tools anymore. Why is that? Because Google knew they were almost exclusively low quality sites. The foot print of those sites made it easy for Google to sandbox or even deindex them in one fell swoop. That's the kind of foot print I'm worried about.

It's ok to be a contrarian in this business, there is a ton of wacking off the ends of the pot roast in this industry. If you are confused by that statement read this
Mit, Mitter, Mittany - It's Me!: The Pot Roast Story

[simpleadsense]

I am just wondering why you would care if your about and contact page are worded the same? Now I have not used xfactors course so I very well could be missing something, however this should not effect your main/landing page which is what you want indexed and ranked. Infact I am under the impression that most would actually tell google not to follow the contact, about and privacy page so they dont get indexed and ranked. You don't want to have those pages outrank your main/landing page. On a side note, someone asked how much PR is to much when looking at your competition, add the top ten site's PR and divide by 10, you want an average PR of 3 or less on the first page.

[simpleadsense]

You have to have the privacy policy to be Google compliant.

[AJsVRE]

Originally Posted by edpudol1973

- Is it okey not to include those about us , privacy policy, and contact us page in our own sites?

I'm not John, but you must have a privacy policy page on your site if you are using adsense, it's in the Terms Of Service.

[falconflier19]

Originally Posted by WareTime

You misunderstand me. When I say footprint, I'm not talking about them tracking YOU, I'm talking about the "look" of a low quality site. Remember HyperVRE and BANS. Nobody raves about those tools anymore. Why is that? Because Google knew they were almost exclusively low quality sites. The foot print of those sites made it easy for Google to sandbox or even deindex them in one fell swoop. That's the kind of foot print I'm worried about.

It's ok to be a contrarian in this business, there is a ton of wacking off the ends of the pot roast in this industry. If you are confused by that statement read this
Mit, Mitter, Mittany - It's Me!: The Pot Roast Story

That is why it is important to use John's guide as just that, a guide. The easiest thing you can do is customize a template so it has your own look. WP is the easiest way to do this in my opinion. Instead of posts, set it up to display static pages.

Think outside the box. John gave you a good foundation.

[cherylmusicfreak]

Originally Posted by evertd

If that is a concern to you, just write on something else in the same niche as your website. For example if your keyword is "thick yoga mats", then write about yoga poses, or yoga clothing, as long as you don't use your keyword in the article other than in the resource box.

Hi,
I had never heard this before until I read John's Lessons Learned post. Is it really that bad to write an article, put it on my blog, spin it (I have a great article spinner) and submit it to several article directories, all the while using the same exact keyword in the article and the resource box?
If it is I guess I have a lot more articles to write. Does it really make your article site rank higher than your own site by using the same keywords in both places? If you're doing other backlinking to your money site it shouldn't matter, should it?

Also when you write an article what keyword gets ranked the most, the one in scattered in the article or the one that's anchor text in the resource box?

Cheryl

[FlyinPianoMan]

I think I have a mental block with working this plan. I am spending so much time trying to figure out if "non-relevant" links in my resource box are "ok", or not. I don't want to get penalized by google for this, and I'm concerned that all of my work will go to nothing...so instead of doing the work, I am searching and searching for an answer to this.

I see that John is saying that he has started to do relevant niche articles. Perhaps he knows something we don't about this. I think that's what's getting to me. I know it's probably been said in other forum posts, but please give me your feedback with this. I am quite happy writing articles...I just want to make sure I'm not doing it for nothing.

[Kael41]

You guys do know that you can:

1) build a site
2) promote it with backlinks from other sources OTHER THAN articles
3) profit

right? I know a lot of people get hung up on articles, writing, and promotion, but the web is a big place. You can look elsewhere for your site promotion backlinks. I've had sites built and placed on the first page of google with 3 weeks for my keyword/domain name site and all i had was 5 pages of content, 3 links back to my site from web 2.0 properties and voila - income generation.

The big caveat is all in how you do your upfront research. This is the step that many fail at. Tools like micro niche finder and market samurai help adsense income earners to cut through the research and find that hidden gem to create. At least for me. Yes, i can build a site and get listed on page one of google for a term that has amazon and walmart on page one as well.

But my seo campaign will be drastically different than a campaign that I employ for a keyword/domain that has almost no competition. Just some food for thought.

[W.P. Allen]

You guys do know that you can:

1) build a site
2) promote it with backlinks from other sources OTHER THAN articles
3) profit

right? I know a lot of people get hung up on articles, writing, and promotion, but the web is a big place. You can look elsewhere for your site promotion backlinks. I've had sites built and placed on the first page of google with 3 weeks for my keyword/domain name site and all i had was 5 pages of content, 3 links back to my site from web 2.0 properties and voila - income generation.

The big caveat is all in how you do your upfront research. This is the step that many fail at. Tools like micro niche finder and market samurai help adsense income earners to cut through the research and find that hidden gem to create. At least for me. Yes, i can build a site and get listed on page one of google for a term that has amazon and walmart on page one as well.

But my seo campaign will be drastically different than a campaign that I employ for a keyword/domain that has almost no competition. Just some food for thought.

Hey Kael41 this is a little off topic but do you purchase a separate domain for each one of your sites or do you use a subdomain? I'm a prolific writer and could easily crank out two to three sites a day but purchasing a 10 dollar domain for each site would punch my wallet in the gut.

[nettech]

Hi,

Why don't you just expand your existing sites with long tail targetted keywords that will make you money? Once you start generating the cash you can purchase the domains?

If you do your due dilligence correctly, you'll find that keyword rich domains do tend to rank quickly and its not long before the site pays for the domain name.

Good luck
Zaheer

Originally Posted by W.P. Allen

Hey Kael41 this is a little off topic but do you purchase a separate domain for each one of your sites or do you use a subdomain? I'm a prolific writer and could easily crank out two to three sites a day but purchasing a 10 dollar domain for each site would punch my wallet in the gut.

[7_8_shortcuts]

Originally Posted by sarasayshi

It still amazes me that people always do this. If an example is thrown up in an eBook, you have about 80% of its readers copying the example word for word or they run out and target the same exact keywords.

Exactly, happens all the time :-) One pretty big guy once showed an example of one of his sites and he was copied 100s of times. Some people were sooooo limited, they even copied his site together with his Googe Analytics code. Hehe. Amazing.

[Kael41]

Hey W.
I purchase a new domain each time. 7$ and change through godaddy with appropriate coupon codes. If you're a writer, you're already ahead of the curve Treat the cost of playing in the adsense game like you would any business expense. It takes money to make money That being said, the more you do this, the more you'll start to spot those domain keyword opportunites more and more. Say, out of 10 domains i buy and put up, 3 MAY have a chance to not make ANY money in 2 months time.

But i don't focus on that. I look at the sites that do make money and analyze why i'm getting the traffic that I do and apply what i learn to my next sites. It's all cyclical

Originally Posted by W.P. Allen

Hey Kael41 this is a little off topic but do you purchase a separate domain for each one of your sites or do you use a subdomain? I'm a prolific writer and could easily crank out two to three sites a day but purchasing a 10 dollar domain for each site would punch my wallet in the gut.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by FlyinPianoMan

I think I have a mental block with working this plan. I am spending so much time trying to figure out if "non-relevant" links in my resource box are "ok", or not. I don't want to get penalized by google for this, and I'm concerned that all of my work will go to nothing...so instead of doing the work, I am searching and searching for an answer to this.

I see that John is saying that he has started to do relevant niche articles. Perhaps he knows something we don't about this. I think that's what's getting to me. I know it's probably been said in other forum posts, but please give me your feedback with this. I am quite happy writing articles...I just want to make sure I'm not doing it for nothing.

The only reason it's getting to you is because you're looking for an excuse to do nothing. If you're that concerned about it, why don't you just write on-topic articles? Problem solved.

Know what you should really be worried about? Ezinearticles banning/dropping articles that link to these type of sites. It's only a matter of time, because...well, EA is good like that.

In the meantime, stop over-analyzing, and take action. Don't worry about building 100 sites, just build one, and see how it goes.

[filejunkie]

nice experience dude, btw what is John's ebook ?

[WinsonYeung]

Sure, let me tell you these again

it takes time to make money with Adsense.

it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

u can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

u are patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Originally Posted by aboutusnow

OK...somebody tell me again.

Tell me that it takes time to make money with Adsense.

Tell me that it may take weeks or months for Google to find all of my backlinks even on PR5+ websites.

Tell me that this is a long-term business and not a short-term money making scheme.

Tell me that I can't expect to make money in just 2 weeks.

Tell me to quit checking where my pages rank and my website stats everyday.

Tell me to create a site, submit 15 articles per keyword, and then move on to the next site.

Tell me that if I am patient then all of this work will eventually make good money.

Tell me why human nature wants such quick results and that most people don't make money online because they don't have the mental discipline.

Tell me that the people that say they are making $5 a day in just 2 weeks is exceptional and not the norm.

Tell me all of these things again because I need to hear them just one more time!

Signed
- A Little Discouraged When I Know I Shouldn't Be

[kislany]

Ok I'm almost 3 months in this and here are my findings. The system works, period. However I've noticed that once the influx of articles has settled, the clicks on Adsense slow down (even though my site in the serps hasn't changed positions). I then write 1-2 more articles to Ezine and I get a higher number of clicks for a week or two again, and then it slows down again. Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

[7_8_shortcuts]

Originally Posted by kislany

Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

I think so too, but... if you are getting a good result from these two articles, it could make sense to outsource the article writing, as long as you are making more than you are spending. This way you could put that on autopilot. Just a hint :-)

[affiliated survivor]

Originally Posted by kislany

Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

Can´t you put a link on the new sites to the older sites so that, while you are building new sites, you are making links for the older sites (feed the beast) at the same time?

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by kislany

Ok I'm almost 3 months in this and here are my findings. The system works, period. However I've noticed that once the influx of articles has settled, the clicks on Adsense slow down (even though my site in the serps hasn't changed positions). I then write 1-2 more articles to Ezine and I get a higher number of clicks for a week or two again, and then it slows down again. Geez, this is a beast that needs constant feeding...

Are you referring to the approach that I use?

If so then perhaps you misunderstood my book or my posts.

I say that because if you are relying on clicks from article marketing
then yes, it will go up and down.

The goal is not to rely on articles like this, the goal is to get your sites
ranked for your main keyword (plus additional low-competition keywords).

However, even these low competitive rankings can take weeks or months
to stable out over time.

- John

[kislany]

No no, what I'm saying is that my site is in quotes #2 in Google and without quotes #3 and it's quite stable that way for the last 2 months or so. The Adsense clicks slow down to 1-2 people clicking on it per day for a total of maybe $1. When I add a new article at Ezine, for about 1-2 weeks after my clicks go up as much as $5 a day. Then it goes down again to $1 or less a day. Although I am not relying on article marketing for this, I was just noticing the higher number of clicks when a new article is approved at Eza, that's all...

[cherylmusicfreak]

John or anyone who can help,

Are you choosing private domain name registration for all your domains? I didn't for my first domain and now am thinking of adding it and it's $10 per domain. (Maybe this was cheaper if I bought it initially). That really adds up.

Are many of you not bothering to do it? I know alot of people who have alot of sites are posing with fake names so if anyone looked on the Whois Database they would see that you're being fake and think you are scaming them. So I would imagine you are paying for it.

Until I get some money under my belt what's the best way to go about this. Pose as myself for the next few domains I make and then start using private domain registration or do you just use fake names anyway?

I think John uses a Reseller account at Hostgator. I'm going to sign up for it once I get enough sites. Using the reseller do you pay for private domain name registration in bulk or is it per domain as well? I couldn't find nothing online about this.

Thanks. I'm a newbie trying to find my way.

Cheryl

[sarasayshi]

Originally Posted by cherylmusicfreak

John or anyone who can help,

Are you choosing private domain name registration for all your domains? I didn't for my first domain and now am thinking of adding it and it's $10 per domain. (Maybe this was cheaper if I bought it initially). That really adds up.

Are many of you not bothering to do it? I know alot of people who have alot of sites are posing with fake names so if anyone looked on the Whois Database they would see that you're being fake and think you are scaming them. So I would imagine you are paying for it.

Until I get some money under my belt what's the best way to go about this. Pose as myself for the next few domains I make and then start using private domain registration or do you just use fake names anyway?

I think John uses a Reseller account at Hostgator. I'm going to sign up for it once I get enough sites. Using the reseller do you pay for private domain name registration in bulk or is it per domain as well? I couldn't find nothing online about this.

Thanks. I'm a newbie trying to find my way.

Cheryl

I buy my domains at namecheap with free privacy registration for less than $9.00. I don't think you have to worry about people coming to your site and then looking up the WHOIS. The point is to attract people with the content and you are hoping that they are quick to hit your adsense ads, not nose around your site and go through the trouble of looking up the domain information. I am sure there are some very skeptical people that surf the web and perhaps check out the whois on every site but know that this is not the norm.

You do want private registration though. otherwise they will list your registered address, phone # and email and THAT is stuff you do not want floating around on the web.

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by cherylmusicfreak

John or anyone who can help,

Are you choosing private domain name registration for all your domains? I didn't for my first domain and now am thinking of adding it and it's $10 per domain. (Maybe this was cheaper if I bought it initially). That really adds up.

Always do private registrations. I use 1and1 for all my domains. I buy so many, they've called me on more than one occasion to make sure it was legit.

They have an insane special on .NET domains with Free privacy. I believe its $4.49 for another week only...

[cherylmusicfreak]

Thanks alot guys.

[Michael Gavre]

Also, at GoDaddy, if you buy at least 5 domains at a time, they will give you free Privacy Registration.

Michael

[fir3d]

I just joined the forum recently, and I am looking into buying xfactor's adsense course but I have a few questions about it before I dive in. I noticed that the existing thread on it is closed so I hope it is ok if I post here.

For any of you that have already purchased it, I don't want you to reveal anything that would be compromise the course but I would like to know that this product complies with adsense terms before I buy it.

I have seen quite a few adsense ebooks with information about adsense placement in order to get a high ctr and they usually put the adsense block right under the title of the main page.

adsense.blogspot.com/2008/03/another-look-at-optimizations.html

Please take a look at that page and let me know if it is not violating this rule. I don't want to spend money on something that is based on things against adsense guidelines.

[sarasayshi]

Originally Posted by fir3d

I just joined the forum recently, and I am looking into buying xfactor's adsense course but I have a few questions about it before I dive in. I noticed that the existing thread on it is closed so I hope it is ok if I post here.

For any of you that have already purchased it, I don't want you to reveal anything that would be compromise the course but I would like to know that this product complies with adsense terms before I buy it.

I have seen quite a few adsense ebooks with information about adsense placement in order to get a high ctr and they usually put the adsense block right under the title of the main page.

adsense.blogspot.com/2008/03/another-look-at-optimizations.html

Please take a look at that page and let me know if it is not violating this rule. I don't want to spend money on something that is based on things against adsense guidelines.

If you follow what John suggests in the ebook you will be fine. From what I see on that link you posted, that is a violation because it is tricking the visitor to click on the ads. That website shows the website creators links followed by an adsense block and then more website created links.

In John's book, we are not tricking the visitor. The ad is made to stand out on it's own with no confusion.

It is honestly a great book and you won't be sorry about your purchase.

[Fraggler]

Originally Posted by kislany

No no, what I'm saying is that my site is in quotes #2 in Google and without quotes #3 and it's quite stable that way for the last 2 months or so. The Adsense clicks slow down to 1-2 people clicking on it per day for a total of maybe $1. When I add a new article at Ezine, for about 1-2 weeks after my clicks go up as much as $5 a day. Then it goes down again to $1 or less a day. Although I am not relying on article marketing for this, I was just noticing the higher number of clicks when a new article is approved at Eza, that's all...

You should be looking at your traffic, not the number of clicks. Adsense is all about driving traffic to a site that you can control the CTR on. Mix this with the research of CPC for your sites niche and you can estimate your average earnings. Tweak the layout to improve your CTR.

If your traffic drops off once your Ezine Articles are out of favour then your organic traffic isn't sufficient (if you are in a high SERPs) for the term and you need to find another one. Don't get disheartened when you have a dud keyword, just find another.

For anyone that is getting a bit anxious - I had a site that for about 4 months slowly moved up to $5/day. In the next 4 weeks it jumped to $20/day. Another 2 weeks and it now gets between $30 and $45 a day. It takes time for all of your backlinking to trickle through to your entire site. It is not until this happens that you can really analyse what words work and what don't. Also, once your site has aged it will be A LOT easier to rank for new terms without the need for extensive backlinking. I know that the course seems to be focused around thin sites but just keep in mind the potential for future expansion down the track.

While you wait you should be working on more sites and article - in a few months time you will look back and ask yourself why were you so impatient!

[StevenR]

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

I'm all for getting the most out of each site (and tracking and analyzing data) but you won't know what that is until the site has matured in the search engines. This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

Have fun!
Steven

[js112]

i think from now, you should build backlinks for your webiste, so seo for your blog, and then you can see the effect, seo is a long term business, like we always say Rome is not built in one day, so , you should do seo, fresh your blog everyday, then, someday, you can see the effect

[Rachel Zaouche]

Originally Posted by StevenR

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

I'm all for getting the most out of each site (and tracking and analyzing data) but you won't know what that is until the site has matured in the search engines. This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

Have fun!
Steven

You are so right Steven. In fact I think they should set up a group similar to AA for those of us who get addicted to checking our adsense account lol

Build a site, promote it and move on to the next. Now I just need to keep repeating that to myself to get it to sink in

All the best

Rach

[Dave d]

Originally Posted by StevenR

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

I'm all for getting the most out of each site (and tracking and analyzing data) but you won't know what that is until the site has matured in the search engines. This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

Have fun!
Steven

Some good advice there because even though you may have a system in place to rank sites well in the SERPS there are still numerous factors outside of your control and each site will behave differently which is why I like to build 5 - 10 at a time and then have a look at your results in terms of commission and SERPS. Never build 1 or 2 and become over analytical wondering why your SEO system is not working.

Dave

[7_8_shortcuts]

Originally Posted by StevenR

My advice is that once you've done the work as laid out in the plan... move on to the next site. Check traffic stats once a week or two, if you find that nothing is happening point more links (write more articles or what not) to your site and let it sit for another week or so... while you build more sites.

Eventually your sites will "catch up" and you'll start to see more traffic and some revenue come in.

Steven

Fantastic advice Steven!

I personally solved my over-analysis through outsourcing. I now have a full time person who puts up one site after another, because I personally couldn't keep on doing it as consistently. Always got sidetracked. Consistency is definitely the way to go :-)

[clickbump]

Originally Posted by StevenR

The trick with micro niche content site promotion is to keep building sites without "worrying" about what's happening with the site you put up yesterday.

Well said Steven, I completely agree. Your next site just might be the one that carries the day when the others are bouncing around.

I have a list of niche sites I'm rolling out in the next week. I don't know which one of them will break out of the pack, but I can almost be assured, that one of them will. The other 4 might not be *day savers* but they will likely pay for themselves many times over in the long run.

(I have a few of what I call "day savers" and these are the sites that make me smile at the end of the day, because I can almost always count on them to compensate for lower performing sites. It's almost as if it were orchestrated that way by the "adsense angels" if I didn't know better :-)

[sarasayshi]

Originally Posted by StevenR

My system is slightly different than John's, but I've experienced similar results to him.
After reading some of the posts in this thread, I wanted to comment on something that can "kill" your niche content site business.

Speaking from experience, one of the major pitfalls that one may (or perhaps will) fall into is "overanalysis". In other words, building a few sites then getting wrapped up with minutia of those sites (nursing them to make them rank in the SERPS).

This business is about taking massive action and having "faith" in the system.

I just had this same conversation with an IM friend of mine. I was telling him how I was thinking of maybe going back and just adding content to my already completed sites that are now about 3 weeks old and he pretty much told me the same as you, in that I need to forget about those sites and just continue whipping out more sites.

Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts

Fantastic advice Steven!

I personally solved my over-analysis through outsourcing. I now have a full time person who puts up one site after another, because I personally couldn't keep on doing it as consistently. Always got sidetracked. Consistency is definitely the way to go :-)

haha, that is awesome. I have outsourced all my content for my sites. This helps me to just get through the other junk like actually getting the sites up, social bookmarking, pinging RSS feeds and getting my articles submitted for back links. If it wasn't for me outsourcing even the content part of this, I would be lucky to get 1 site done a week.

I can't wait until I can get to the point of outsourcing even more of the stuff I do now.

[7_8_shortcuts]

Originally Posted by sarasayshi

I can't wait until I can get to the point of outsourcing even more of the stuff I do now.

Hehe, little by little it will come :-)

[shaggard]

Reading these post makes me feel better. I have the sites up. I feel discouraged because they have made any money yet and I dont quite get it. I would think someone would have clicked something by now.

I have been at it a month and got a few sites up and would think someone would have clicked something. Well one site got one click one ad for a whopping 19 cents. But still I am going to keep at it. It has to work. How is it possible not to work? Statistically it has to

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by shaggard

Reading these post makes me feel better. I have the sites up. I feel discouraged because they have made any money yet and I dont quite get it. I would think someone would have clicked something by now.

I have been at it a month and got a few sites up and would think someone would have clicked something. Well one site got one click one ad for a whopping 19 cents. But still I am going to keep at it. It has to work. How is it possible not to work? Statistically it has to

On the contrary, statistically it can also be a failure if you are not
getting the people to come to your site that are looking for the
products/services that your site is about.

What I mean is that if you have a site up for that long, and
getting targeted traffic each and every day, and no earnings...
then something is terribly wrong.

- John

[togdil]

Hi ronb107,

I didn't quite understand what you mean by:
.

AdsenseLog: tracks thru your Google Adsense account. Only limitation is that it tracks only one Adsense account. If you plan on having additional accounts, then this will not do..

You can have only one Adsense account which you can use on any number of your sites.

That said, I would suggest statcounter.com for tracking visitors to your site.
I have been using it for years and find it highly useful as it gives lots of data such as where the visitors come from, the pages visited, keyword that got the visitor etc.

In fact I have found lots of long-tail keywords which I never optimized for but were bringing traffic to my sites.

And it is free if you are happy with 500 log records. More than that and you have to subscribe to its services.

Hope this helps

[togdil]

I subscribed to John's course two days back and here is what it has done for me without doing anything:

• It has taken out the fear of keyword research - something which has always confused me and I was never good at though I have sites which rank on 1st page of Google for many keywords - some of which I never optimized for. In fact I am a rank newbie as far as serious IM and SEO is concerned so I wonder how I hit upon these keywords - perhaps that was beginner's luck working for me. Now with John's method, I feel that it will be a breeze because I don't have to use lots of keyword tools and calculate too many parameters.

• Getting backlinks doesn't look a big task now. Bookmarking social sites has never been my thing though I have done it a little. Posting comments to relevant blogs also puts me off. With what John says now it seems easy. This is because I like writing. I have been doing this since my teens for magazines and newspapers. And when I started my sites, I have done all my writing myself. No borrowed content. However what I was afraid of was that I would have to churn out article after article on my niche but what John says suits me. I can write original articles on my chosen subjects without much difficulty. This is why all of my sites have original content written by me.

• New Insight into Adsense: I have been using Adsense since long. But after reading John's course, I have got a new insight on how to use Adsense to earn good income with the program.

So while starting my niche sites I am going to test John's recommendations on my existing sites and see what results I get.

And yes let me tell you that subscribing to the course was a big decision for a newbie like me. I didn't have enough money to do that and I missed the boat when John was offering it at a discount but I am glad I was able to manage it somehow.