Xfactor John's guide - We Need a Users Agreement!!!

[guest]

Hi guys,

I'm just getting started following Xfactor / Johns micro niche guide.

I purchased MNF because of this ebook, and i've been researching some keywords today... Guess what...

I've found 7 websites so far with Johns EXACT Template -- and each website has a different adsense publisher id. So thats 7 people who are following the guide.

I'm glad to see you guys have the www . exact Keyword Domain . com <-- and it lets me see that the keyword research i'm doing matches others who are following the guide.

But can we all agree -- if we find someone else's site who is using the same template, and are 90% sure are following johns guide - can we agree not to go into the exact same niche and compete against each other

The 7 people's sites i've found - i have stayed away from their niche. Just accepting that they beat me to it. And moved onto another keyword group.

It would be nice if everyone following the guide did the same There must be enough niches for everyone.

Good luck to you guys following his guide. And thanks for the amazing ebook john!

[Joseph Then]

Yeah, I agree. I found 2-3 niches that has beaten me. I tend to stay out of it.

The principle is simple: I let you earn in your niche, you let me earn in my niche.

[falconflier19]

I understand your feelings but the reality is this is a business. So what if there are others in this niche. Who is to say I can't outrank you or vice versa. I don't mean to be blunt but why shouldn't I try to make money in a well converting niche.

You need to treat this as a business not a social club. Again I understand what you are saying I just don't think it is realistic.

[TristanPerry]

I disagree.

This isn't a club or anything, it's business.

And competition is part of business

I wouldn't create a website called "Credit Card Offers" and then ask everyone on page 1 to be less competitive so that I have a chance. Just as if I had an ice cream van, I wouldn't go around asking other ice cream vans to re-locate, etc.

Just the way it is. John's guide is just that - a guide. Not a club

[Joseph Then]

I think the issue is that everyone is using the SAME template.

Can you imagine that out of the top 10 Google listing, 5 of them are Adsense, with the SAME template?

[falconflier19]

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

I think the issue is that everyone is using the SAME template.

Can you imagine that out of the top 10 Google listing, 5 of them are Adsense, with the SAME template?

That I agree with. People really need to start designing their own templates or at least make them a little bit more unique. Unfortunately based on the posts I have read, they take John's advice as the ultimate authority. Even John has advised not to do exactly what he does. It was meant as a guide. Find out what works for you and build your model around that method.

I know I am rambling, but I think you get the point.

[Code64]

Originally Posted by guest

Hi guys,


But can we all agree -- if we find someone else's site who is using the same template, and are 90% sure are following johns guide - can we agree not to go into the exact same niche and compete against each other

The 7 people's sites i've found - i have stayed away from their niche. Just accepting that they beat me to it. And moved onto another keyword group.

It would be nice if everyone following the guide did the same There must be enough niches for everyone.

Good luck to you guys following his guide. And thanks for the amazing ebook john!

Are you dreaming? This is like war! I've warned about this in another thread and people
attacked me. Now everyone who is to dumb to use John's ebook only as a guideline, will
have to live with the consequences. I'm happy that others do the hardwork with keyword
research etc. Why should I or someone else don't use a niche we find? John has now
an affiliate program for his ebook. It now will sell like hotcake and websites like these will
grow like no tomorrow. As more people use his method exactly as he described it in his ebook
it will be very, very easy to find hundreds if not thousands of websites you can copy and
make easy money. And don't think those sites will stay on Googles first page very long.
I've talked about this in another thread and people thought that I'm talking trash. Let's see
who is right.

[guest]

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

I think the issue is that everyone is using the SAME template.

Can you imagine that out of the top 10 Google listing, 5 of them are Adsense, with the SAME template?

This is more what im worried about.

I found one keyword - the top 10 results were just adsense sites - not much content, just adsense a bit of an article. The No.1 spot was taken by Johns template.

If i had gone for the same result, will google start to see the site template as more as a MFA site, then a decent site.

Anyway, i guess the general opinion is all is fair in business.

Originally Posted by Code64

Are you dreaming? This is like war!

[WareTime]

Originally Posted by guest

But can we all agree -- if we find someone else's site who is using the same template, and are 90% sure are following johns guide - can we agree not to go into the exact same niche and compete against each other

You're new here aren't you. Can I have a ride on your unicorn too? We could use a niche czar that controls how many are in each niche.

Sorry for being such a cynical smartass, but I thought you could use the wake up call. Welcome aboard here by the way.

As others have said this is a business. Kodak doesn't give up it's camera business because Polaroid has that niche or vice versa. Coke isn't giving way to Pepsi. You compete and you win, lose, or share the market.

You're always going to face some competition no matter what niche your in.

So they are using the same technique as you, now you need to do a little more to get ahead of them that's all. So make your approach hybrid. Johns technique + some other stuff (that you don't tell anyone about).

Right now with John's technique the quickest way to find the niches is to craft a google search to pick up the people using the template as John showed in his course. Then you've got possible keywords. Confirm the numbers on those because those people might not have gotten it right or whatever and then enter that niche yourself depending on if you think you can profit, etc.

You may well stumble across some niches I'm in, though you may not know it from the look of the site. My template is different than John's and not just in color, and it works well. Feel free to enter my niches as you see fit. Except weightloss, I'd kindly ask everyone else to stay out of that, because I'm working that one.

@ code64, yes they will be super easy to find, but it won't be easy to profit with those unless you know how to get the traffic. Not saying you don't, but just saying that if another person enters the black watch band niche, it just dilutes the search traffic by 1 more site. People need to be able to get the traffic. Probably won't be hard because most people will not do enough link building to get these off the ground, especially with the new competition. I think the key here is as another warrior I'll paraphrase because I forgot who said it. I'm not done working on a site until I've karate chopped, drop kicked and punched the traffic level to where it needs to be.

[XFactor]

Hi guys - just found this thread (sorry for not posting much here,
I'm integrating my new private forum with Amember and writing a course
update)

About the issue, here is my take:

1) I have stressed over and over again to change up the way your
sites looks, test new layouts, etc. (as I continue to do).

2) A website is just a website, and search engines love
websites that revolve around content - as these are not sales
letters, e-commerce stores or affiliate sales sites.

3) LOOK DEEPER FOR YOUR NICHES! I'm still not sure why I see
some people worried about niche saturation. I do not see anyone
taking my advice and going to the store with pen and paper, writing
down niche products and services, then making money from them.

In the end, all we are doing is making good content sites and placing
one Adsense block on them.

There have been hundreds of thousands of such websites in creation
since the birth of Adsense in 2003.

We are doing nothing new, nothing wrong and nothing but good old
fashion unique content and using the Adsense program that Google
has created for us.

- John

[Code64]

Originally Posted by WareTime

@ code64, yes they will be super easy to find, but it won't be easy to profit with those unless you know how to get the traffic. Not saying you don't, but just saying that if another person enters the black watch band niche, it just dilutes the search traffic by 1 more site. People need to be able to get the traffic. Probably won't be hard because most people will not do enough link building to get these off the ground, especially with the new competition. I think the key here is as another warrior I'll paraphrase because I forgot who said it. I'm not done working on a site until I've karate chopped, drop kicked and punched the traffic level to where it needs to be.

Great post WareTime!
Traffic is the easy part. Most of the followers of John's course do nothing more then what
John teaches (article marketing). So it's very easy to kick those websites from the first
spotes. There are tools to analyze how many backlinks a website has etc. A lot of them
even don't have original content on the websites. They try to crack out as much websites
as they can. John does this very different and has told numerous times how to do it, but
if those people won't listening, they must learn it the hard way. The problem is not the
system and the way John teaches, the problem is how people use the system in the wrong
way. If you make a MFA webbusiness out of Johns system, you'll waste your time. Google
will slap your websites in no time. If you try to find your own approach with Johns system
you will benefit for a long time. Please read Johns posts and emails carefully and then use
your OWN BRAIN!

[vagabondette]

I think asking people not to compete is asking the impossible. I've come across this a few times and have debated with myself. Basically I make the decision based on the quality of the site. if the site looks like 5 minutes was spent on content and then it was thrown up with no other effort I'll probably go for it. However, if it looks like someone has actually put a lot of time and effort into their development and the content is solid I'll let it go.

That's just how I do it...

[Steve Crooks]

You shouldn't be relying on MNF to find you niches. The brainstorm function is great for sparking ideas but unfortunately when everyone is using the same techniques with the same tool then inevitably the same niches are going to be targeted.

You need to start trusting your own imagination and research above everything else and just use MNF or any other keyword tools for what they are good at.. Telling you about search numbers and the level of SEO your competition is at.

John has stressed over and over about trying to be more creative with designs and trusting your own instincts and I agree with him wholeheartedly. Unfortunately people like cookie cutter approaches to doing this sort of stuff but that really isn't the way ahead.

[nettech]

Great idea, unfortunately it wont be executed! I admire you for your thread though!

[ScottR]

My advice is when you see another xfactor-style template site, just move on to a similar keyword. If at least target separate main keywords, it's a lot less easy to get each other angry. And once you both succeed and grow more and more sites, you could even start swapping links in order to help you both.

It doesn't have to be war. The resources are still simply too vast for anyone to tap out. Why compete for a niche resource when, with a little more legwork, you can find a whole bunch of related niches that are totally untapped. There are so many I've found, I've passed many off to friends. I'm stopping at 20 new sites now to concentrate on link building. So far, about 10 of the sites are getting traffic that is bringing in $10-15 a day. Once the next set of 10 sites are indexed, I expect this will rise to $20-35 a day for starters.

Most of these sites are showing up in the top 7-12 for their keyword based in just their first link. So as more links are slowly added (to appear more natural), they should be rising up to the top 1-3 spots, give or take. When that happens, it's pretty easy to see the day when the 20 micro sites (built in about 2 weeks) will bring in $100 a day. So we really don't need to play nasty to make some nice money fast. We just need to expand our minds a bit and broaden the base of the products we are considering. Like stopping by a pool store or sporting goods store or plumbing showroom or even a Home Depot. Take notes, because you are bound to think of a ton of stuff to look up once you get home.

--Scott

[carlos123]

I think it's important to keep in mind that John's system will indeed cause an upsurge in those competing with his system. A ton of new Adsense people will come on board. All looking at the same tools and doing the same thing based on John's ebook.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if a whole slew of people jump on the Adsense wagon. Thousands of them. And if they all create cheap looking Adsense sites that have very little in the way of quality content but which end up getting high in rankings....Google will probably notice and start slapping them down quick. The gravy train may not last that long with John's method as a result.

The moral of this is that when you make your millions from Adsense you should be on the lookout to take the money you make and invest in other businesses and other ventures. Don't keep all your eggs in the Adsense basket.

I mean I hope it's around for years to come but the fact is that with potentially thousands of new people getting involved...nice keyword phrases are going to become harder and harder to get and rank well in. Notwithstanding the general feeling that there are zillions of them left.

Just my two cents worth.

Carlos

[Kelly Verge]

I've found some while doing product research. However, most have been either half-hearted attempts or have been sites that have missed the mark completely.

One note: Spin your "about me," "contact" and "privacy policy" pages. It's super simple to just search for a clip of this text and find every one of your niche sites. I'm not the type to steal every niche I find, but I do look (I consider it competition research).

Another option would be to use very common examples of these pages. This way your sites get lost in the sea of results if someone searches.

-K

[kumkum]

then find other low competing niche , There is a lot more good niche.............

But if you want to have a battle , then dive in . and prepare to win a battle
this is business , and you couldn;t just begging to other same business owner to keep quiet.......

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Kelly Verge

One note: Spin your "about me," "contact" and "privacy policy" pages. It's super simple to just search for a clip of this text and find every one of your niche sites. I'm not the type to steal every niche I find, but I do look (I consider it competition research).

Another option would be to use very common examples of these pages. This way your sites get lost in the sea of results if someone searches.

Hmm...very interesting. I never thought about that. Very interesting indeed. And a definite something to keep in mind when creating such pages.

Carlos

[kingside]

Here's something I've been doing.. if you stumble on to a really great niche, register the remaining major TLDs (com / net / org) after the niche proves out and it'll make it much more difficult for someone to compete out of the gate.

[7_8_shortcuts]

I agree here, that it makes no sense to believe
you could ever convince someone to stay away
from a lucrative niche.

Not gonna happen.

But, let's be honest...

If your niche has enough traffic

is a hungry crowd etc,

and you optimize well...

you know... you do NOT have to be on page one of G.

You should build MORE mini-sites and scratch the surface with all of them together and get some of the action. It's much harder to always fight for rankings for just ONE site. Much better (and easier) to get some action from many sites simultaneously.

Then you don't have to worry about your one specific spot in Google.

Do you guys/gals feel the same way?

[vagabondette]

Originally Posted by carlos123

Hmm...very interesting. I never thought about that. Very interesting indeed. And a definite something to keep in mind when creating such pages.

Carlos

yes, this is really important and not just for content. Using the exact same information for every site, whether it's your user name on a forum or your about page means it's REALLY easy to find you and find out exactly how you market. Unless you want to leave a huge footprint for your competition to follow it's important to change it up.

I know of one successful marketer who uses the exact same sentence on all of his niche sites. It's very distinctive because it has a unique business name in it. I did a search for it and found all 283 of his sites. If I wanted to I could just copy every niche he's in. That would be silly on my part because he's well established, but if I wanted to be lazy I could do it. Just like I know everywhere he has an online profile because he uses the same login ID for all of them.

[Robert Oliver]

From my experience of using John's

keyword research strategy out of 125

keywords I have done research on I have

not seen 1 John X-factor as competition. I am

talking about keywords with lots of searches

and very little competition. There are millions

of keywords out here for people to chose from.

Just look at other things beside the obvious.

Well, time to get back to work building sites &

writing articles. These 125 keywords will make

me a lot of money built on several different website

templates.

Robert