GOOGLE BANS- exit splash users

[angel man]

I have a friend who used this on his Google ppc campaign and his account is banned.


I am reproducing his post from a different forum here:


"I am not a fan of this script anymore.

This script forces the visitor to click cancel the popup. Unless you do that, you can not click "Back" button which is against Google rules. If you use this on Google PPC campaign landing pages your account will get banned.

MR. Dave G knows this. He actually acknowledged it when I sent him an email on this. His response: there are other sources than Google like msn, yahoo... to use.

But he won't say that clearly like YOUR GOOGLE ADWORDS ACCOUNT WILL BE BANNED if you use this script.

Greedy stupid."


Use Exit grabber or Exit predictor Pro instead.


Don't blame me for not warning you. I want to post in few other forums also to warn our brothers.

[vicone]

Google Adwords have clearly indicated in their TOS for years that they do not want pop-ups appearing on landing pages that receive their traffic.

The distributors of exit scripts (and other pop-ups) are not responsible for users' knowledge, or lack, of Google's terms of service.

Before using any PPC system, check the terms and conditions of those providing the source of traffic.

Ivan

[angel man]

Vicone,
Exit splash blocks the back button.

what about: exit grabber or exit predictor pro.
I see you can still use backbutton and they won't stop you.

Is this also dangerous?

[vicone]

what about: exit grabber or exit predictor pro.
I see you can still use backbutton and they won't stop you.

Is this also dangerous?

Google doesn't allow pop-ups on landing pages that receive their traffic. I recommend reading their terms of service and satisfying yourself whether a particular script is likely to comply with their conditions. It isn't only about the back button.

Ivan

[angel man]

Ivan,
It is not just about backbutton. Popups in true sense, when we land on a page, it shows up. But these exit traffic grabbing softwares won't show popups until the visitor is trying to leave.

If you haven't checked already, try exit grabber and see whether it violates the rules. I am not sure that is why asking for your opinion.

Thanks.

[vicone]

Google is very concerned with the visitor experience and they employ people to review landing pages for Adwords. It may take a couple of days, but a human reviewer decides whether a script which impacts on a user will be considered acceptable.

Many popups/popunders exit scripts, and the like, don't use javascript and because they get past browser blockers does not mean a Google reviewer thinks more kindly of them.

Google have lots of rules, many of them not widely known or used as guidelines for their reviewers, about landing pages. They have studied landing pages at great length and sponsored webinars and various papers on the subject. In brief, they don't like scripts which interrupt or diminish the user experience. If you ask them about it, it is likely they will simply refer you to their terms of service.

It is not something you can argue about with them as they are likely to shoot first (disable your account) and ignore questions later.

If in doubt, don't do it.

Ivan

[WareTime]

The people that sell heroin don't talk about possible negative effects either. Caveat emptor.

If someone thinks a little script to trap a user will make them rich, they don't have what it takes to make it in this business and should be weeded the hell out.

[angel man]

Pop-ups and Exit traffic catching is legitimate thing. You don't want to use to be on safe side with Adwords.

But to say " a little script to trap a user", is silly.

[Mr Money Maker]

It's best to keep thing legit.....I would't try to pull a fast one on google. ...it's really not worth it !!

[SpyGuy]

Originally Posted by vicone

Google is very concerned with the visitor experience and they employ people to review landing pages for Adwords. It may take a couple of days, but a human reviewer decides whether a script which impacts on a user will be considered acceptable.

Many popups/popunders exit scripts, and the like, don't use javascript and because they get past browser blockers does not mean a Google reviewer thinks more kindly of them.

Google have lots of rules, many of them not widely known or used as guidelines for their reviewers, about landing pages. They have studied landing pages at great length and sponsored webinars and various papers on the subject. In brief, they don't like scripts which interrupt or diminish the user experience. If you ask them about it, it is likely they will simply refer you to their terms of service.

It is not something you can argue about with them as they are likely to shoot first (disable your account) and ignore questions later.

If in doubt, don't do it.

Ivan

Ivan,

You seem to be pretty informed on the issue.

May I ask which pop-up software you use for your exit pop-ups....

Also, do you just avoid placing the pop ups on the Adword landing pages and use them on the other non-Adword landing pages?

[vicone]

May I ask which pop-up software you use for your exit pop-ups....

Also, do you just avoid placing the pop ups on the Adword landing pages and use them on the other non-Adword landing pages?

For landing pages that receive PPC traffic, I don't use exit-page scripts. There are other bought traffic sources which won't accept them, either.

For normal, organic traffic, visitors usually land on a page that is designed to capture optins. This is optimized for SEO. If the visitor leaves the site without opting in that triggers a hover notice and a redirect to a second optin page.

This second page has a stronger "sales message" and doesn't need to be as concerned about SEO. This page is also used for PPC because of it's stronger conversion and because it doesn't have a popup.

The exit page system I use is fairly easy to set up and to use - it's unblockable and even installs the code straight onto the web page ready to be uploaded.

I estimate that it has tripled the optins I was receiving before I started using it.

However, a word of caution - it is not simply the script that is important but how it works together with other components of your system to produce the result - obtaining subscribers and keeping them. In particular, having two effective optin pages that work together; having appealing inducements to offer visitors in exchange for their details, and well-written email messages to follow up. These work in harmony as part of a system.

In other words, it's how you use it.

There are other systems that no doubt work and there are more sophisticated (and expensive) systems. This one works for me. If you would like to see it in action, here is a Christmas site which uses it:

Christmas Gift Ideas They Love

If you want more details of the product used, there is access in my signature (3rd item).

Ivan

[SpyGuy]

Thanks for taking the time to clarify Ivan....

cheers

[Lucid]

Vicone is right. If you use Adwords, you are not allowed to have any sort of popup on landing pages. It has nothing to do with which script is used. A popup is a popup and they don't want them. So any traffic coming from Adwords, disable your popups.

[KevinA]

Thanks for the heads up.. heard about this before but i think time has come for me to stop using exitsplash!

[magwoi]

Is there not a difference between pop-ups and pop-overs? I see many of the top ranking products on clickbank that are also on Adwords having pop-overs.

Pop-overs do not open in a new window within a page per se, which is what Adwords is against. So perhaps pop-overs are acceptable to Google.

Mag

[vicone]

You might like to read these articles and consider whether it is worth the risk:

Google AdWords To Step Up Account Disabling & Improve Communication Process

and this

An update on account disabling

If you have a script that looks like a popup, acts like a popup and has the effect of a popup do you really want to be arguing your case on the basis of it not meeting the definition of a popup? Consider that Google have the final say in what falls within a definition and what doesn't. Their recent actions as mentioned in the articles above indicate they are even less willing than previously to argue about it. They take action first - disable your account - and maybe you'll be invited to prove them wrong (appeal).

Ivan

[Lucid]

Originally Posted by magwoi

Is there not a difference between pop-ups and pop-overs?

You are splitting hairs here. Semantically and technically there may be a difference but it's the same disease, same approach that Google objects to.

People can interpret what they want but in the end, Google is the judge. If you think pop-overs are not pop-ups and go ahead with them, don't complain that you were not warned when they disable your ad or worse, your account.

[josspam]

Uhmm I think it was sort of obvious that G would banned this kind of software

Jocy

[SpyGuy]

Ivan,

I wanted to ask you a question earlier but it slipped my mind.


Do you (or anyone else) know if there are such terms with having Adsense Ads and PopUps or Hovers on the same page?
- ex. My site's page has Adsense Ads and an Exit Pop Up Hover .. but NO Adwords Ads pointing to that page.... Is it safe?

I would hate to get banned for that if such a condition exists.
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As far as Exit Pop Ups go... looking around so far I think the friendliest one seems to be IM Popup Pro .
It has nice looking Exit Hover with Video if you want... It allows the user to push the back button and escape without the scary looking warning pop up windows.

Im not using any pop up software yet and dont know what I should be looking for.. so I was wondering what people think of IM popup Pro and if there are any concerns with it?

God Bless This Forum

[vicone]

I did look at IM Popup Pro when I was considering which script to use on my website. It seems to work well and has some impressive-looking templates.

What suits you depends a lot on how you've structured your website. I wanted a script especially for optins using an exit page that was triggered when the visitor left the landing page (usually containing an optin form).

Many of the exit pages I looked at appeared to be triggered by the user's cursor moving towards the edge of the screen and a popup invited the visitor to stay. The script that I preferred was triggered when the visitor actually left the page and a pop-under appeared - a second optin page which was a stronger offer.

The hover ad which requests permission to continue displaying the second page I believe utilizes part of the browser technology and is therefore not blocked.

The choice, then, depends on how you want to use the script.

As for the use of a popup on pages with Adsense, I'm not aware of a conflict wth Google's TOS (as long as you don't encourage visitors to click on one of their ads) but I would urge you to check that for yourself.

You might consider the purpose of your page. It is usually more effective to have a clear and simple course of action to be followed to maximize your click thru rate. For instance, an Adsense page would be structured - and focused - to facilitate exposure to the ads. An optin page would be designed to direct attention to the act of opting in with as few distractions as possible.

Even so, I've found that a simple welcoming popover can serve as a pre-sell for whatever you consider to be the main purpose of the landing page. It can help to bond with the visitor at the outset and strengthen the appeal of that page.

So your best choice of a script depends on what you are trying to achieve. Just be sure to not get the visitor so warm and fuzzy that they lose sight of what you really want them to do - click a button or link, fill in a form, etc. Direct or focus their attention towards the action step you want (but don't direct them to click on an Adsense ad).

Ivan

[SpyGuy]

Thanks for the advice Ivan... it makes perfect sense.

[hardworkplanning]

I have an Exit Splash JavaScript that combines PHP that will not get you banned by the search engines and I am offering it for free to anyone that wants to download it.

You can get it at jasonmcmurray.com/exit

It comes with a squeeze/sales page that you can customize and the Exit Splash Script/PHP and the page that the code takes you to. So you get two pages! I'm giving all this away for free because I have a blog that is rather new and I want to increase my readership.

ENJOY!

[tryinhere]

Originally Posted by hardworkplanning

I have an Exit Splash JavaScript that combines PHP that will not get you banned by the search engines and I am offering it for free to anyone that wants to download it.

You can get it at jasonmcmurray.com/exit

It comes with a squeeze/sales page that you can customize and the Exit Splash Script/PHP and the page that the code takes you to. So you get two pages! I'm giving all this away for free because I have a blog that is rather new and I want to increase my readership.

ENJOY!

promoting your site / one by digging up old stuff and / two hitting up every second post with your link and three promoting stuff that can get peoples accounts suspended by the search engines is nothing more than self centered stupid advice.

[AuntyEm]

Ok, well forgive me if this seems a silly post, but I'm a newbie who's here to try and learn stuff.

So.....from what I understand from this thread, if you buy Adwords from Google which appear on other peoples sites (through their use of Adsense I presume) and you're lucky enough to get someone to click on your ad which takes them to a page on your site - if that page has an exit splash attached to it, Google will not be happy and will ban it, yes? So the first lesson to be learned is that you don't put an exit splash on a site linked to your Adwords.

Originally Posted by vicone

As for the use of a popup on pages with Adsense, I'm not aware of a conflict wth Google's TOS (as long as you don't encourage visitors to click on one of their ads) but I would urge you to check that for yourself.
Ivan

However, Google doesn't have a problem with you having an exit splash page on one of your pages that uses Adsense. Right?

What about pages that (again if you're very lucky) turn up in Google's search rankings near the top and you get traffic to your site that way from the Google search bar. Does Google care if THAT page has an exit splash page added to it?

Originally Posted by vicone

What suits you depends a lot on how you've structured your website. I wanted a script especially for optins using an exit page that was triggered when the visitor left the landing page (usually containing an optin form).
Ivan

This sounds like a good option and actually, it was the one I really wanted when I started playing around with creating a web page and adding an exit splash page to it. I don't really like the little box that says "if you want a deal [or whatever] click the cancel button...." Would much prefer it if when someone leaves my webpage they are automatically sent to another webpage (of my choosing where I could have whatever I wanted on it) before they actually leave my website.

Would appreciate input on this.

[Stormchaser]

That is great, exit pop-ups are ridiculously annoying.

[vicone]

Usually the exit popups take you to a message page that asks for permission before redirecting you.

However, there is a free WP Plugin which appears to take the visitor to the page of your choice without the permission message appearing.

You can see details of it here in the WSO section:

FREE! (save $47) Wordpress Plugin automatically regenerates and monetizes your traffic.

Ivan

[Lucid]

Originally Posted by AuntyEm

if that page has an exit splash attached to it, Google will not be happy and will ban it, yes?

Yes. Your Quality Score goes down to 1 which stops your ads from showing. It's the off switch.

Note it's ads in that group, not the entire account. And banning means your whole account - all groups and campaigns - stops working because of rule violation and is usually permanent. You would not get banned right away but if you continued, you might be. Sort of three strikes, you're out proposition.

[shawoon98]

hey, hardworkplanning, what the hell was that?

[shawoon98]

Guys, I'm pretty new to WF. Trying to learn number of things to launch a wonderful site. This whole discussion was great. Special thanks to vicon for such helpful replies. But I couldn't install the WP plugin mentioned here. When I tried to activate the plugin, a messege showed up, "The plugin does not have a valid header."

can anyone help me solve this problem? The plugin wasn't found anywhere in the plugins page.

[JamesGw]

This is nothing new at all.

[shawoon98]

Just as an addition to vicon's recommendation, I found another wp plugin which is working perfect "Pinoy Pop-up on Exit" with my page. Simply search for new plugin with the search term "exit", it'll show up. Hope it's helpful.

Thanks guys. This forum is great. I saved a lot of money through this forum.

[lovboa]

Nothing annoys me more than that pop up that tells me to WAIT! when I click the back button -.-