What holds more backlink weight to Google, Site Links or Page Links?

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When I'm evaluating competition, I look at PR and Yahoo backlink count as a first pass (I use MNF and other tools later).

I reason that anything below a 3 in PR and less than 50 *Page* backlinks (not SITE backlinks) are easily beatable with an exact match keyword along with my SEO optimized CSS templates.

Can someone clarify the weight of Site backlinks vs Page backlinks in your experience? Should I be including Site backlinks in my evaluation?

[mark135]

i think you should ignore yahoo site explorer it means nothing

i have seen sites with 100 links in yahoo and over 12000 links on altavista

i personally have a site that I know for a fact has over 10000 links because i have made every single one of them myself and yahoo says ive only got 250

[askloz]

Mark, you're wrong. Using the yahoo explorer will show you ALL the backlinks, Google doesn't because they dont want you to reverse engineer their algorithm, they randomly select which backlinks to show you. Yahoo doesn't. Yahoo doesn't even de-cache updated pages! It's a hog for caching all sorts of crap.

to answer O.P's Q, well that all depends, is the home page highly related? most often than not, there's not enough content on the home page, inner pages do, so an inner page you can get a back link from, should it be the same PR, will be more powerful than a link from the home page with lesser content.

But it's not just about that, is the page you get a link from have your phrase in their title, description and in the page content AND does it have other 3rd party related links in the inner page as well, if so, better your page ranks!

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Thanks for the feedback guys.

When checking the competition in Google, I check the keyword phrase both with quotes and without. My practice is to use the search results without quotes to get a sense of the baseline sites that appear.

Then I do a search with quotes to determine if those same sites appear and in the same position. If so, they are the ones I'm looking to beat, if not, my job is much easier.

I use the search "KWP" for those sites that are optimized for the kwp and the actual competition I will need to beat to outrank them.

[askloz]

yeh, but using quotes is not your true competition... click on my profile and search for my posts, might take a while though to find the post in question that shows your real competition.

[mark135]

Originally Posted by askloz

Mark, you're wrong. Using the yahoo explorer will show you ALL the backlinks, Google doesn't because they dont want you to reverse engineer their algorithm, they randomly select which backlinks to show you. Yahoo doesn't. Yahoo doesn't even de-cache updated pages! It's a hog for caching all sorts of crap.

to answer O.P's Q, well that all depends, is the home page highly related? most often than not, there's not enough content on the home page, inner pages do, so an inner page you can get a back link from, should it be the same PR, will be more powerful than a link from the home page with lesser content.

But it's not just about that, is the page you get a link from have your phrase in their title, description and in the page content AND does it have other 3rd party related links in the inner page as well, if so, better your page ranks!

you're a moron yahoo doesn't show you anywhere near the backlinks a website has

learn your trade before you start preaching loser

[MichelledGrace]

Originally Posted by mark135

you're a moron yahoo doesn't show you anywhere near the backlinks a website has

learn your trade before you start preaching loser

No mark135, Yahoo!'s backlink-count is quite accurate actually.

If all else fails, try BacklinkWatch instead.

Anyway, one that gets aggravated easily aren't good "authority" on the subject.

[mark135]

ok im going to settle this now for the newbies that don't know what they're on about

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this is a website I am up against

would you like to tell me why yahoo says he has 900 links and altavista says he has 14400?

because you're probably too stupid to work it out I'll tell you, it's because yahoo doesn't give the game away just like google, FACT!

[jasonmorgan]

aren't we a feisty crowd

might want to recheck those numbers mark135

yahoo = 68788
altavista = 14900
alltheweb = 13200
backlinkwatch = 57080

sombody needs to work on their SEO investigation skills

[mark135]

i think you will find that if you go to yahoo it is 903

if you go to altavista it is 14400

[abs007]

Mark
im not sure where your getting your figures from but ive just checked the yahoo site explorer. Once you have entered the url its a good idea to hit the 'inlinks' link and then in the drop down menu click on except from this domain - I got a figure of 66,530.

I would also recommend you tone your language down as we are trying to help and not compete. This is a friendly forum so please treat every user with respect regardless on them being wrong or right.

I can remember long ago I faced a user who would give similar comments and use language such as yours - it made me hesitant to ask more questions. So please try and show some respect.

[mark135]

Site Explorer - Search Results

maybee I'm getting a messed up version in the uk who knows.....

[MichelledGrace]

Originally Posted by mark135

Site Explorer - Search Results

maybee I'm getting a messed up version in the uk who knows.....

It's because you're using the UK version.

Site Explorer - Search Results

And yes, tone down.

[jasonmorgan]

lol... I'm just saying...

anyway, back on topic...

Can someone clarify the weight of Site backlinks vs Page backlinks in your experience? Should I be including Site backlinks in my evaluation?

I think you need to look at both. A site with a lot of authority tends to cast a wide umbrella of authority to additional long-tail keywords.

These additional long-tail keywords are weaker and easier to beat but the strength and content of the main site may have an impact on how weak or easy those long-tail keywords are to beat.

A health site that ranks well for several health keywords my be tougher to beat than a newsweek article. The newsweek article has gained rank based on the strength of newsweek and it's site authority but it's on shaky ground where the health site is all about health so it has more weight when it comes to other health related keywords.

That is my hypothisis

Is that what you were asking?