Are backlinking campaigns a waste of time?

[benkleiner]

About three month ago I followed Angela's and Paul's backlinkings campaigns.

Along with my buddy Roboform I've filled hundred of registration pages of high PRL sites, doing 20 links per site as you mentioned.

But about 3 month after, doing my Backlinks checks I can't see none of them showing up yet!

So I have the impression of wasting my time doing that.

At the same time of doing the backlinking campaigns I was submitting my articles to EZA, AB,& GO directories which at the time of doing that Backlinks checks punctually appear.

How do you know or how do you check, after spending hours doing backlinking that you are not wasting your time?

Thank you

[Melody]

I went through the same situation but - I have a new commercial website - registered about 6 months ago - no articles at all - just products - and it is now a PR3 and getting good traffic. 99% of the work was backlinks, Angela, Paul and a couple of services bought through WSOs.

Still not seeing all of the links but the results are there, so it really doesn't matter.

BTW - are you just checking Google or are you also checking Yahoo? My links always seem to show up first in Yahoo.

Melody

[HarrisonJ]

Try doing some guest articles for blogs related to you niches and include a link to your site in the article or at the bottom. Links from blog posts are much more valuable than directories.

[freudianslip27]

Are you pinging the places you are posting to? That helps speed things up sometimes.

Don't give up. What you did really should help. Sometimes it takes awhile though. Backlinks help your site, and the better they are, the more they'll help. That's the way it works.

I wouldn't be disappointed when most of them don't show up in google though, google only shows a small amount.

Matt

[Andyhenry]

Right,

I've been trying to tell people to use their brain when doing this stuff for years.

I know how popular these backlinking packages are here so I don't want to upset anyone.

I'll just give you something to think about:

You may be buying lists of "high Page Rank" sites from people but have you ever actually checked the Page Rank of the page that your link ends up on?

The Internet is all about PAGES not SITES.

Google's not stupid and you can't just go around following this advice people are giving you and expect results - you need to think about this stuff and spend your time where you'll actually get results.

Enough said?

Andy

[SeanSupplee]

Good point Andy, While the main site may be a PR6 by the time you get into the guts of the site where yo can add your link to your profile your PR rank is zippo!

Back linking works but it takes a good amount of time to create a solid foundation. Most of my best backlinks come from comments on popular blogs that google loves.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Right,

I've been trying to tell people to use their brain when doing this stuff for years.

I know how popular these backlinking packages are here so I don't want to upset anyone.

I'll just give you something to think about:

You may be buying lists of "high Page Rank" sites from people but have you ever actually checked the Page Rank of the page that your link ends up on?

The Internet is all about PAGES not SITES.

Google's not stupid and you can't just go around following this advice people are giving you and expect results - you need to think about this stuff and spend your time where you'll actually get results.

Enough said?

Andy

Hi Andy,

Nope, not my experience

You can try putting links on domain PR ZERO, ONE and TWO, they are not the same as High domain!

Yes, the page is always PR 0 or none for profile links like Angela and mine backlinks, but at least it works! Low PR sites just don't work as good.

Anyway, I still think doing proper content, setup natural link bait is the long-term way to go, backlinks packet is just a way to jump start your site's traffic.

Kok Choon

[McManigal]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Right,


You may be buying lists of "high Page Rank" sites from people but have you ever actually checked the Page Rank of the page that your link ends up on?

The Internet is all about PAGES not SITES.

Andy

Where are you finding pages with actual page rank on them to get backlinks on?

[um1001]

My 2 cents:

Backlinking sure won't hurt. I make an RSS feed of all my links with icerocket and then submit the feed to many feed sites...usually gets noticed a lot faster.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by SeanSupplee

Good point Andy, While the main site may be a PR6 by the time you get into the guts of the site where yo can add your link to your profile your PR rank is zippo!

Back linking works but it takes a good amount of time to create a solid foundation. Most of my best backlinks come from comments on popular blogs that google loves.

Comments on High PR page is one of the best way to get link juice! Just not easy to find and most of the time saturated with tons of comments, and you won't really gain much link juice as compared to PR 0 links on High PR domain, which you can have all the link juice to yourself!

It all add up no matter which route you go through, comment or High PR domain profile page, both quantity and quality count!

[Kevin Williams]

When I use backlinks from a packet I see almost no increase in SEO and the links don't show up in backlink watches. But when I find them myself with some good old searching they show up and help enormously.

This is just my experience of course.

[Andyhenry]

The only answer that will be completely correct for everyone is - Research this for yourself and test what works - then do more of it.

Buying lists of sites (which incidentally you can find yourself using Google with a few creative search switches) and expecting to just post stuff there for links and dominate your niche is just naive.

You can get very good results very quickly if you just take the time to do it properly rather than trying to throw as much link bait at the wall as you can and see what sticks.

It's the 80/20 rule again.

If you look at what you're doing, you'll probably find that 80 percent of your time is wasted if you're just using other peoples lists of sites blindly.

Yes - you can say 'any' link building helps - but in reality, that's also the worst and slowest way to get good results and is the reason why people are many months down the line wondering why they're not seeing great results.

These fads can only last so long before people realise they're wasting time and money and re-evaluate.

If you take your business seriously, you would never spent a lot of your time doing anything that you don't know the results of - or that you'd done and didn't get a good return on your results.

It's only because many beginners don't value their time that such strategies are even considered.

Andy

[lockwood77]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Right,

I've been trying to tell people to use their brain when doing this stuff for years.

I know how popular these backlinking packages are here so I don't want to upset anyone.

I'll just give you something to think about:

You may be buying lists of "high Page Rank" sites from people but have you ever actually checked the Page Rank of the page that your link ends up on?

The Internet is all about PAGES not SITES.

Google's not stupid and you can't just go around following this advice people are giving you and expect results - you need to think about this stuff and spend your time where you'll actually get results.

Enough said?

Andy

Andy, that's just not true. The whole concept of Paul/Angela's links is that they benefit from the authority of the domain on which the profile pages are created. This works. It's the same reason why a brand new blog post on a high-PR site will hit the top 10 almost immediately - because Google trusts the domain on which the page is hosted.

Google's algorithm works on both a page and domain level, it is not just "all about pages not sites."

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by lockwood77

Andy, that's just not true. The whole concept of Paul/Angela's links is that they benefit from the authority of the domain on which the profile pages are created. This works. It's the same reason why a brand new blog post on a high-PR site will hit the top 10 almost immediately - because Google trusts the domain on which the page is hosted.

Google's algorithm works on both a page and domain level, it is not just "all about pages not sites."

Ok - I should have prefixed that with..... "In my 10 years of link building and testing and tracking of what I've found does and doesn't work - for me".

You are free to disagree - I'm just saying that people don't usually take the time to really look at this when they're being told generic advice like "any link is good" and "just get a link on high PR sites".

Search marketing is not what it used to be and with Google getting better and better and personalising peoples search experience and localising results, you can't just blast out links on any old site just because the domain has PR and expect that you new site will suddenly become important.

That worked for a few years - but things have changed.

All I'm saying is - most people have no idea what their links are actually doing for them and they'd be wise to test things a little for themselves than blindly copying other people and then wondering why their miraculous results they expected haven't turned up.

I know people don't like to hear such things - especially if they're selling lists of sites to others and have been telling them that it's a cool way to do things, but this is a community and we're here to help each other - which also includes the odd splash of cold water in the face to remind people that they need to think for themselves.

What I say or anyone else says is irrelevant - all you have to do is look at what makes you money and what doesn't.

It's easy to get links and get 'traffic' - but neither of those things are the same as customers or revenue - unfortunately many people get this stuff confused and think that getting links equals making money - until they wake up one day and realise they've spent $500 and a ton of time on getting links and still haven't made that much back from it all.

I know some people will let themselves go on thinking they're making money while they're actually losing it for quite a long time, but that doesn't mean we should encourage it or just run around repeating what other people tell is right.

It's simple - test it for yourself. If you're making less money than you're spending - think twice about what you're doing and what you're trying to achieve.

Andy

[lockwood77]

I completely agree about testing and monitoring what works for you, I always have a wide spread of link building activities across projects for this reason (and for link profile diversity, which is very important). On some of my projects, where there has been very little activity other than Web 2.0 profile links with appropriate anchor text, I have seen positive results, suggesting that domain PR is a significant factor.

I think some people fail with these types of link for two reasons:

1. They haven't chosen the right keyword in the first place (too competitive)/the site itself isn't optimised etc. i.e. They think this one tactic is enough.

2. They don't get the profile pages indexed by the search engines, meaning the links are worthless.

There is also some debate about patterns etc. (see the original Linkwheel plan for an idea of what seems to be an out-moded model when dealing with this stuff), so people may be suffering from wrong implementation.

For the record, I've just entered my 11th year in online marketing...

[benkleiner]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

About three month ago I followed Angela's and Paul's backlinkings campaigns.

Along with my buddy Roboform I've filled hundred of registration pages of high PRL sites, doing 20 links per site.

But about 3 month after, doing my Backlinks checks I can't see none of them showing up yet!

So I have the impression of wasting my time doing that.

At the same time of doing the backlinking campaigns I was submitting my articles to EZA, AB,& GO directories which at the time of doing that Backlinks checks punctually appear.

How do you know or how do you check, after spending hours doing backlinking that you are not wasting your time?

Thank you

Sorry, but I don't feel you answers are clear for me!

[lockwood77]

Where are you looking to check your backlinks? Yahoo Site Explorer? Google Webmaster Tools? These are about the only places you're likely to get anything approaching an accurate list of inbound links (other than paid tools like SEOMoz Linkscape and Majestic SEO).

Have you checked whether the profile pages you created have been indexed by the search engines? Just enter "site:web20domain.com/profile-page" or whatever the URL is and see if it's in the index. If not, that's why you don't have a link from it! You need to socially bookmark/ping the profile page to get it indexed, then you get your link.

[benkleiner]

I am using the recommended here Backlinck checker

[lockwood77]

OK, that's just an interface to Yahoo Site Explorer and/or Google's link: command (which is a complete waste of time).

So, using that tool you're not seeing your links? In which case, you need to get the profile pages indexed, because if a search engine can't see them, they can't see the links either!

[Intrepreneur]

Go back to all the sites and take part in the community otherwise your profiles are sitting on a dead island never to be crawled. The more votes you give your profile the more it is seen to be worthy of indexing.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by mark135

sorry but that's total rubbish

i'm on the first page of google for "online blackjack" and that is purley from having thousands of links on the inner pages of high PR sites

Although I'm not completely agree with Andy, but he is right in most part!

You need to track your own result, I can only say that High PR domain links do works, at least for now...

Google may one day change this, but I think Google will set their filter higher, meaning PR 3 links may work now, and for months or years to come, only PR 4 links will be working.

Learn natural and "pure" white hat strategy is still the long term way to go, and if you don't know proper keyword research, you can't benefit much from ranking on page 1...

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by eusof

Kok Choon.

thank you for your opinion. May i ask? Cos i really do not know.

How can we prove that high pr domain is better?

Any evidence for that?

It would be great if there's some evidence to back this up.


Thank you so muck KC for sharing with the warriors great tips on high pr sites.

Like Andy said, you need to track your own result. At least for me, I see significant movement every time I use Angela backlinks, and one of the key reasons is High Domain PR...

Another factor to consider is Google trust rank, which you get it only from High PR domain or old sites.

Just use keyword tracking tool to track your result, Market Samurai is a great too for keyword research and tracking.

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by mark135

sorry but that's total rubbish

i'm on the first page of google for "online blackjack" and that is purley from having thousands of links on the inner pages of high PR sites

So? - I have blogs on the first page above 100 million other pages - and it took me 5 minutes to build and are full of duplicate content and I've never done ANY link building - it means nothing... I wouldn't dare try and tell anyone else that they should do the same and they'll get similar results - there are too many factors.

Like I said - just test what works for you and go by that rather than what anyone else tells you.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by mark135

sorry but that's total rubbish

i'm on the first page of google for "online blackjack" and that is purley from having thousands of links on the inner pages of high PR sites

Hi mark135,

Congratulations on ranking success. I'm not here to take sides but I have to say that you argument does not support your conclusion "that's total rubbish". The fact that you got your page ranked using "thousands of links on the inner pages of high PR sites" does not counter any of AndyHenry's assertions.

If you can offer an argument that supports your assertion that his remarks are "total rubbish" I would love to hear what it is. You don't get to be "right about everything" just because you manage to get a page ranked for a competitive term.

How do we know if AndyHenry's methods would not have reached the same rank with a fraction of the effort you method took? How do we know whether you ran tests on various methods and link types to determine which type helps the most?

I am not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you arguments aren't supporting your conclusions.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. I suspect that if some of the readers of this forum were squirrels and read a post about a blind squirrel finding a nut, they would go out and blind themselves to see if they might have the same luck.

Anecdotal evidence can help you gain insights into why a test gave a particular result, but you need empirical evidence to make a reasonable conclusion on the effectiveness of a technique. That means repeated tests with a statistically valid dataset.

I took AndyHendy's primary assertion to be that you can't trust anecdotal evidence to support a broad conclusion. You need to make you conclusions from a series of tests that demonstrate a predictable result.

That sounds like solid advice to me, and I fail to see how your argument counters anything he said.

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by HarrisonJ

Try doing some guest articles for blogs related to you niches and include a link to your site in the article or at the bottom. Links from blog posts are much more valuable than directories.

WHERE are you getting your info? DO you have evidence of this?

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

The only answer that will be completely correct for everyone is - Research this for yourself and test what works - then do more of it.

Buying lists of sites (which incidentally you can find yourself using Google with a few creative search switches) and expecting to just post stuff there for links and dominate your niche is just naive.

You can get very good results very quickly if you just take the time to do it properly rather than trying to throw as much link bait at the wall as you can and see what sticks.

It's the 80/20 rule again.

If you look at what you're doing, you'll probably find that 80 percent of your time is wasted if you're just using other peoples lists of sites blindly.

Yes - you can say 'any' link building helps - but in reality, that's also the worst and slowest way to get good results and is the reason why people are many months down the line wondering why they're not seeing great results.

These fads can only last so long before people realise they're wasting time and money and re-evaluate.

If you take your business seriously, you would never spent a lot of your time doing anything that you don't know the results of - or that you'd done and didn't get a good return on your results.

It's only because many beginners don't value their time that such strategies are even considered.

Andy

NONSENSE!. These lists DO work. I mean HOW much more proof do you need then the hundreds of people that have posted dramatic success (I included) with these backlink lists? But, that said , the REAL benefit is TIME SAVED. Ask yourself WHAT IS YOUR TIME WORTH?
DO you REALLY want to spend (or waste) time trolling Google for sites to backlink to, spend hours trolling through every site and figure out WHERE the heck the backlinks go, does the site accept HTML or BBC, oops gotta go back and change that one and that one? Yikes, Pay the $5 for the lists these generous folks are providing, unless you having NOTHING else to do but spend 10x as long doing it all manually.
I don’t know what the motivation if for all these naysayers about the backlink lists, I can only surmise many are PO’d because now they can’t OVERCHARGE people for backlinking services anymore. GOOD GRIEF!

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

So? - I have blogs on the first page above 100 million other pages - and it took me 5 minutes to build and are full of duplicate content and I've never done ANY link building - it means nothing... I wouldn't dare try and tell anyone else that they should do the same and they'll get similar results - there are too many factors.

Like I said - just test what works for you and go by that rather than what anyone else tells you.

Sure, what are they?

P.S. 13 years (since 1996)

[jasonmorgan]

This works. It's the same reason why a brand new blog post on a high-PR site will hit the top 10 almost immediately - because Google trusts the domain on which the page is hosted.

I would like to see 1, just one example of a competitive keyword where this has worked.

but i have tens of thousands of links on inner pages of high pr domains and i rank on the first page for a "online blackjack" which is very competetive

ok, this may be an example but it sounds like working harder, not smarter.

I know people don't like to hear such things - especially if they're selling lists of sites to others and have been telling them that it's a cool way to do things

a huge problem, too many wolves feeding on naive sheep looking for shortcuts.

DO you REALLY want to spend (or waste) time trolling Google for sites to backlink to, spend hours trolling through every site and figure out WHERE the heck the backlinks go, does the site accept HTML or BBC, oops gotta go back and change that one and that one? Yikes, Pay the $5 for the lists these generous folks are providing, unless you having NOTHING else to do but spend 10x as long doing it all manually.

The problem with this attitude is that the day somebody who does all of that for themselves comes along and goes after the same keywords you are, you're going to lose.

Honestly, these lists have made it easier to find juicy niches. If I can find a niche that is being dominated by an 'angela' clone then I know I can use the exact same backlinks myself plus more of my own special magic and beat them.

How do I find your secret high profit niche... just go to the newest members list on any of the sites provided by angela or paul or whoever and see who is promoting what. Now I've got your site, your keywords and your backlinks.

The backlinks lists are great and all but you'll always be second best to the person who can do the research and work on their own.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

When I use backlinks from a packet I see almost no increase in SEO and the links don't show up in backlink watches.

May I ask what you do to help google find your backlinks from the packet?

It seems like tons of people in this thread and others are confused when they just put the profiles up and nothing else.

[kkchoon]

I love reverse engineering someone site for ranking, that's how I find some really good backlink source. Try following some popular names here, watch their site, blog or article link source, you will be surprise how many of them use profile links

[jasonmorgan]

I love reverse engineering someone site for ranking, that's how I find some really good backlink source. Try following some popular names here, watch their site, blog or article link source, you will be surprise how many of them use profile links

I think most of us do use them to some degree. They are quick and easy backlinks.

I also like to follow the hardcore spammers footprints when I'm searching for backlinks for my backlinks.

These are the spammed out sites I don't necessarily want linking back to my money sites but I'll use them to boost up my backlinks a little. There are a lot of blogs and pages with high PR but bad OBL that are good for this sort of thing.

Nothing wrong with giving your backlinks a little love and it's kinda cool having profile pages with some PR of their own... 'cus that juice is all mine.

[IMRookie1]

On one end, I agree that people should always do testing. On the other end, it also makes sense to buy these services and just do them first. Actually, one really has to buy the service, try it out and see how it works.

Also, from a newbie's perspective, how in the world am I know what or how to test these things? How long did it take you to learn what you know now? Seriously, does it make sense to me to reinvent the wheel all over again?

That's why I'm in the Warrior Forum. To learn and to benefit from the experience and services offered by Warriors. My understanding is that the admins approve WSO's to make sure there's no crap sold. So I factor that into my buying decision. Is it wrong to leverage the credibility of the WSO?

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with testing and not just blindly trudging ahead. But the OP was probably at his wits end and didn't know where to turn to and wondering what's wrong. I think it's just right to show him the ropes of HOW to do proper testing / checking.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by mark135

i think my argument is a very strong one

i have ZERO links that have an actual page rank, not to my knowledge anyway

but i have tens of thousands of links on inner pages of high pr domains and i rank on the first page for a "online blackjack" which is very competetive

with a similar website i'm on page 3 for "online casino" even more competetive using the exact same methods

so i think that is a very strong argument that links on inner pages of high pr domains count

I don't doubt that you have achieved rankings, however the fact that you have achieved rankings doesn't support your argument. How does any of that apply to what AndyHenry said?

It's like someone saying 2 + 2 = 4 and then you saying that's rubbish because I got top ranking for "online blackjack". The point is that one thing has nothing to do with the other. Just because you got a top ranking, it doesn't make everything you say from now on valid. You could be right about one thing and wrong about another.

Your ranking for "online blackjack" has nothing to do with his comment which you called "total rubbish". He didn't say what you were doing couldn't get your website to rank for "online blackjack" yet you used that as the explanation for why what he said was rubbish.

I'm sure there is a reason that you think what he said was wrong and I'd like to hear it.

[SurviveUnemployment]

Originally Posted by HarrisonJ

Try doing some guest articles for blogs related to you niches and include a link to your site in the article or at the bottom. Links from blog posts are much more valuable than directories.

What he said. It's not about quantity.

[WareTime]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

That worked for a few years - but things have changed.

Andy, that statement right there is pure diamond encrusted platinum. Not just about link strategies, but about so many things being touted as products in this industry.

The very reason people sell them is that is the last way to monetize a technique.

The first and best way is when it actually works and you shut the hell up and use that technique like mad and rake in the kind of profits you can only dream of creating in the screen shots you'll later put in your long page selling the defunct method.

Once it quits being as effective you develop a product around that and hit the forums and pitch it to the less experienced.

Ideally this is done before the technique is dead, so the buyers see good results and tell others. Soon the effectiveness dies.

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

How do you know or how do you check, after spending hours doing backlinking that you are not wasting your time?

Bottom line, stop worrying about checking your backlinks. You'll end up contracting a bad case of stat-itis which leads to long term paralysis and lack of action. Just get as many links as you can from as many sources as you can. Then, only concern yourself with the linking stat that counts, your ranking in Google for your target keywords and the amount of traffic you get from them.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by mark135

the reason i said it is because he claims the internet is about pages not sites, in other words implying that a sub domain with pr0 from a home page of pr6 isn't worth anything

but my high rankings prove that simply isn't true, FACT

Hi mark135,

It's true, search engines do rank pages not websites.

I agree that there is a factor that is commonly referred to as "Domain Authority" and it does impact the weight of a backlink. But it is only a small portion of the factors that impact your backlink value. A link from a page with a PR3 is still going to have more value than a link from a page with PR0 regardless of the domain authority.

The so called "Domain Authority" is passed to a page in much the same way PR is passed. They may in fact be one in the same. So the home page of a website usually has a lot more link value, wherever it comes from (PR or Domain Authority), than a page buried 5 levels deep in a website. This varying level of link juice is clear evidence that search engines do in fact rank web pages, not websites.

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

I would like to see 1, just one example of a competitive keyword where this has worked.

ok, this may be an example but it sounds like working harder, not smarter.

a huge problem, too many wolves feeding on naive sheep looking for shortcuts.

The problem with this attitude is that the day somebody who does all of that for themselves comes along and goes after the same keywords you are, you're going to lose.

Honestly, these lists have made it easier to find juicy niches. If I can find a niche that is being dominated by an 'angela' clone then I know I can use the exact same backlinks myself plus more of my own special magic and beat them.

How do I find your secret high profit niche... just go to the newest members list on any of the sites provided by angela or paul or whoever and see who is promoting what. Now I've got your site, your keywords and your backlinks.

The backlinks lists are great and all but you'll always be second best to the person who can do the research and work on their own.

Quote:
DO you REALLY want to spend (or waste) time trolling Google for sites to backlink to, spend hours trolling through every site and figure out WHERE the heck the backlinks go, does the site accept HTML or BBC, oops gotta go back and change that one and that one? Yikes, Pay the $5 for the lists these generous folks are providing, unless you having NOTHING else to do but spend 10x as long doing it all manually.

"The problem with this attitude is that the day somebody who does all of that for themselves comes along and goes after the same keywords you are, you're going to lose.

Honestly, these lists have made it easier to find juicy niches. If I can find a niche that is being dominated by an 'angela' clone then I know I can use the exact same backlinks myself plus more of my own special magic and beat them.

How do I find your secret high profit niche... just go to the newest members list on any of the sites provided by angela or paul or whoever and see who is promoting what. Now I've got your site, your keywords and your backlinks.

The backlinks lists are great and all but you'll always be "

Whatever works for you. BUT, outsourcing this tedious task allows me to focus on the many more higher level tasks and it works perfectly for me. Within a highly competitive market. If you choose to spend 40 hours a week of manual backlinknig labor , then have a ball !

[jasonmorgan]

Whatever works for you. BUT, outsourcing this tedious task allows me to focus on the many more higher level tasks and it works perfectly for me. Within a highly competitive market. If you choose to spend 40 hours a week of manual backlinknig labor , then have a ball !

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with outsourcing or buying tools like backlink packages. What I am saying is if you rely on only these methods to accomplish your goals then you will always be one step behind those who can do these tasks on their own.

Also, using these sources alone is not going to create a very stable SE ranking because anyone else can come along and use the same methods, or simply copy your backlinks, to knock your out of your place.

I know the cool kids don't like doing any of the tedious work but it's what keeps you ahead of the pack.

IM is my only job. I spend 40 hours a week devoted to IM related tasks. Research is one of those tasks.

Creating or finding new sources for backlinks is one of the most important things you can do if you want to not only succeed but also stay a step ahead of the competition.

many more higher level tasks

I'm not sure what those are for you. For me, it's design new WP themes, build new sites, write new content, add backlinks and research.

I get that most people have day jobs and can't devote as much time to IM as I can but having a 'I'm too important and my time is too valuable to spend on tedious work' is a bad attitude because there is always somebody else who is willing to put in the extra effort.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

I think most of us do use them to some degree. They are quick and easy backlinks.

I also like to follow the hardcore spammers footprints when I'm searching for backlinks for my backlinks.

These are the spammed out sites I don't necessarily want linking back to my money sites but I'll use them to boost up my backlinks a little. There are a lot of blogs and pages with high PR but bad OBL that are good for this sort of thing.

Nothing wrong with giving your backlinks a little love and it's kinda cool having profile pages with some PR of their own... 'cus that juice is all mine.

Just a bit more work there, I would rather give my site more links than giving more links to my "link"

Originally Posted by WareTime

Andy, that statement right there is pure diamond encrusted platinum. Not just about link strategies, but about so many things being touted as products in this industry.

The very reason people sell them is that is the last way to monetize a technique.

We all follow the search engine, white or black! Many people think that black technique is "bad" and will get into trouble... in fact they are very powerful and sustainable for a long period of time!

That's why spammer make tons of money. Just I don't like to spam tons of people to get the result, it is not effective in my perspective , and I hate someone spamming my site till dead!

[jasonmorgan]

just a bit more work there, I would rather give my site more links than giving more links to my "link"

This idea is similar to something you had said in one of your older posts.

Amplify your backlinks sources to 10 times!

If you only have 1,000 High PR backlinks on hand, the best way to turn these into 10K backlinks is building each web 2.0 properties with 1K of links, with 10 sites, you have virtually 10 times more link power that are concentrated into your main sites, jumping your site high in the SERP !

I'm just using some additional less desirable backlinks - the PR 5 pages that viagra guy has already spammed to death etc.... I have a list of 'em, might as well use them for something and if they can boost up my backlinks which will in turn give my site an additional boost then all the better.

I also follow a method that is vary similar to what I quoted as well. I think it is a smart idea to grow your own sites to use as backlinks. It's extra work but I think it pays off.

[xponse]

Hello

link popularity is main cause of PR and SERP... than how come getting backlink are waste of time... I do not know what is other member view about this topic.. But i have strong belive in backlink, specially OnewayLink.

thanks
Arun

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

This idea is similar to something you had said in one of your older posts.

I'm just using some additional less desirable backlinks - the PR 5 pages that viagra guy has already spammed to death etc.... I have a list of 'em, might as well use them for something and if they can boost up my backlinks which will in turn give my site an additional boost then all the better.

I also follow a method that is vary similar to what I quoted as well. I think it is a smart idea to grow your own sites to use as backlinks. It's extra work but I think it pays off.

That is a whole lot different to use Link Wheel for link amplification

You get traffic from link wheel, and you want your link wheel to rank for keywords, that's why you build link to it!

If you build links to all your "link", why not just use the method I suggest - links -> linkwheel -> money site? I think you can leverage your resources and time better.

[jasonmorgan]

If you build links to all your "link", why not just use the method I suggest - links -> linkwheel -> money site? I think you can leverage your resources and time better.

I'm not that crazy with them. I could never build links to all of my links. That would take forever and a day.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

I'm not that crazy with them. I could never build links to all of my links. That would take forever and a day.

Haha !

I though you can do that, with some automated tools...?

[jitterbug978]

Backlinking takes time and sometimes it may take several months for your previous work to really take effect. Be patient though and make sure you are optimizing for good keywords.

[bally chohan]

google only recognize authority backlinks and yahoo count each so check at both

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by bally chohan

google only recognize authority backlinks and yahoo count each so check at both

Yahoo is much easier to rank! They just count every links without much filter...

Google do the same but with a lot of "spam filter". Like putting the links inconsistently, spike up sometime and none the next day... this is not healthy and might trigger Google spam filter to ignore those links.

I tried to shoot up many links to low pr new site, it seems like Google really doesn't like that, and they ignore most of the links... for a long period of time!

[benkleiner]

"bookmarking the links urls and submitting RSS Feeds of the links"

I've read somewhere this advice to improve the traffic to my sites, but do not have idea how to put in practice!

Could anybody explain step by step how to do that or recommend us any tutorial, please?

Maybe these are stupid questions, but are very important for us Noobs of the world!

"bookmarking the links urls and submitting RSS Feeds of the links"

a)What do you call "the link urls"?

b)How do you create RSS Feeds of the link?

c)What do yo use to submit your RSS Feeds of the links?

Thank you