Squidoo and Backlinks

[sbp8610]

I'm going to be creating 10 different squidoo lenses all based on 10 different high search keywords that I've found that don't have too fierce of competition.

What I'd like to do after I have all of the lenses completed, is to just spend my days backlinking these lenses by many different means.

Since it's a squidoo web 2.0 property, do you guys think these lenses will be able to handle me throwing backlinks at them every day? I'm going to be doing really good mixing them up, coming from a lot of different high pr web 2.0 properties and article directories and lots of high pr forums and high pr blogs and also from low PR blogs through free traffic system.

So it's not like I'm going to be just throwing hundreds of low pr links at it all at once.

I'm pretty sure it can, but just want some other opinions... will these lenses be able to handle the incoming flow of backlinks from the so called "sandboxing", or does that mostly apply to new domains and such?

Thanks guys!

[Slin]

You should be completely fine. let us know how it goes.

I build backlinks to article directories, I can see no difference.

[showbizvet]

Don't forget to throw a few links... at the the outside ring.. meaning other sites that are pointing to your main squidoo pages. As long as you are doing it manually and not using a bot, I'm sure Squidoo can handle it.

[rondo]

Yes, but don't you have your own site? I suggest you put all that work into something you own rather than Squidoo lenses.


Andrew

[sbp8610]

@Slin - Thanks for the quick reply. I guess I just needed someone to tell me it was ok even though I was pretty sure it was lol

@showbizvet - Do you mean something like this...

Article at goartices is pointing to my squidoo for a backlink... so I should give the goarticle a couple of backlinks too?

Thanks

[sbp8610]

@Rondo - I do have my own site, and the point of the squidoo traffic is to build up my site. All of the exposure that I want to get from squidoo is to help my site build itself up slowly as more of an authority site in my niche.

[Slin]

I think Rondo is asking why are you trying to rank a squidoo lens for this keyword, instead of your site?

I could think of a few reasons (His lens could be more optimized for the keyword) but he does have a point. Make sure you look over all of your options.

Originally Posted by sbp8610

I'm going to be creating 10 different squidoo lenses all based on 10 different high search keywords that I've found that don't have too fierce of competition.

What I'd like to do after I have all of the lenses completed, is to just spend my days backlinking these lenses by many different means.

Since it's a squidoo web 2.0 property, do you guys think these lenses will be able to handle me throwing backlinks at them every day? I'm going to be doing really good mixing them up, coming from a lot of different high pr web 2.0 properties and article directories and lots of high pr forums and high pr blogs and also from low PR blogs through free traffic system.

So it's not like I'm going to be just throwing hundreds of low pr links at it all at once.

I'm pretty sure it can, but just want some other opinions... will these lenses be able to handle the incoming flow of backlinks from the so called "sandboxing", or does that mostly apply to new domains and such?

Thanks guys!

Why would you not do this on your own site ? I mean if you are planning on using squidoo as your marketing platform you may be in for a surprise no matter how many ebooks tell you to do it..

Think of all this work and then squidoo decides you are abusing the system by using it for your marketing platform and then they shut down your lenses ...

Personally I would build my own site up ...

James

[sbp8610]

I guess I need to give this some thought. The thing is I am going to be building up my site in the process. I still have plans to be adding new content to it everyday and building backlinks to it.

The thing that has me wanting to do this squidoo thing is that my site has only been indexed for a few days, and I can't just throw a lot of backlinks at it like I could a squidoo and have it moving up and ranking for a competitive keyword very quickly since it's so new.

I'd like to try to rank for these ten high search keywords very quickly with the squidoo method and in the meantime also be adding content to my site that is keyword optomized for less competitive keywords and be building backlinks to it also, just a little more slowly.

Trying to do the best of both worlds you know?

Or are you saying I should just go all out on my own website? I don't see myself ranking very high with my own site for some of these keywords anytime soon... unless I decided to throw a bunch of backlinks at some of the content. But that might cause it to be sandboxed for a few weeks... I guess it would eventually come back stronger in the long run though.

[nicholasb]

now keep in mind that I am speaking from personal experience on this.

building backlinks to a well optimized lens has more benefits than just ranking in google.

High pr backlinks added to a lens also helps it rank in the squidoo top 100 for whatever category the lens is in.

Once you break top 10 in squidoo you will start seeing massive surges of traffic just from squidoo.

make sure to check the health in your lens in your squidoo dash board and it will tell you exactly what you need to work on.

also cloak your affiliate links or redirect them with your host for a higher quality score in google, and to up the health of your lens.

[JackPowers]

Isn't Squidoo seriously saturated already? How often do you see a Squidoo lens in the search results?

Originally Posted by sbp8610

The thing that has me wanting to do this squidoo thing is that my site has only been indexed for a few days, and I can't just throw a lot of backlinks at it like I could a squidoo and have it moving up and ranking for a competitive keyword very quickly since it's so new.

Or are you saying I should just go all out on my own website? I don't see myself ranking very high with my own site for some of these keywords anytime soon... unless I decided to throw a bunch of backlinks at some of the content. But that might cause it to be sandboxed for a few weeks... I guess it would eventually come back stronger in the long run though.

Ok see this is where someone gave you bad advice.. You certainly can use squidoo if you choose to but just realize and understand the risk of using a social media site for the sole purpose of a marketing platform.

New site or not does not matter, you can build 10,000 backlinks in 30 days and it will not hurt you one single bit. No google will not punish you, if this was true I would never see any top listings.

Google Sandbox is a myth and frankly I do not care who disagrees with that. Google obviously does not want you doing black hat stuff to game the system but getting a few thousand backlinks in a week is very "natural" and nothing wrong with it.

What do you think people do when they slap out a press release full force on a brand new site ? They generate thousands of backlinks almost overnight and no their site does not suffer.

Again you can do both if you wish, personally if it was me I would build my own site up and use a 2nd blog installed on a sub-domain name to help build it up.. By you building all those backlinks to squidoo it is not going to make your site an authority.

Just my opinion though ..

James

[SPress]

I have to agree with the previous poster.

I'm just not a big fan of putting a ton of effort into promoting sites on Squidoo, or Squidoo-like properties. Doesn't it make more sense to build the authority of your own site?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't use Squidoo at all - they can be nice feeder pages to your "real" site. But I wouldn't spend my time building backlinks to the lenses if it's seriously taking away from building backliks to your own domain.

Also...If you've truly found 10 keywords which you think are building blocks to your site/niche success, don't you want those on your site building authority right away?

(as a side note here - I hope when you say you've found keywords that you can be competitive for, that you've done a thorough analysis of the top 10 existing sites for each term and aren't solely relying on some arbitrary search number...sorry, it's really a pet peeve of mine )

Anyway, an option to consider is creating a page on YOUR site optimized specifically for each of the 10 keywords, and then start plugging away at the backlink building. If Squidoo is part of that backlink strategy, along with bookmarking, feeds, article marketing...etc, then so be it. It's simply a matter of using each of those types of properties for what they are intended.

In my humble opinion, they aren't best equipped to be the backbone of your business.

Hope that helps!

Steve

[MisterMunch]

If Steve Jobs releases a new product with a new website (iTV). How many backlinks do you think he will get the next couple of days? More than you can make with all the time you have available for the next few years. And it will rank

You should be carefull about who you link from. I got my squidoo lens locked when I used one of the high pr backlink products from this forum.

Still the lens got no 1 position without content, and I registered it again when the lock was over and the domain was available to anyone.

[sbp8610]

After reading these posts I'm trying to think to myself why I didn't think of that myself. I know these things... I don't know why I didn't think of them.

@TheRichJerksNet - Thanks for putting this into perspective. I read the entire "Post To Ezine Or Your Own Site First" thread..... that was simply amazing (not sure why I couldn't pull the information from that to realize I need to be working on my site and not squidoo... my brain must not of been working )

@SPress - I've done thorough research on the keywords in the way that you're referring to. I don't even think I bothered to check how many results there were in quotes.

@MisterMunch - Thanks for the good advice. Hopefully the manual backlinking will get me good links from good sites.

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So I'm going to be working on my site and not giving my content to squidoo. Providing quality content with keyword optimization in mind... and lots of backlinks starting asap. High quality high pr backlinks, along with a mix of some low quality links as well to spice things up.

Thanks for all the advice!

I just needed a common sense boost! The brain is feeling more clear and less fuzzy already

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Why would you not do this on your own site ? I mean if you are planning on using squidoo as your marketing platform you may be in for a surprise no matter how many ebooks tell you to do it..

Think of all this work and then squidoo decides you are abusing the system by using it for your marketing platform and then they shut down your lenses ...

Personally I would build my own site up ...

James

Gotta agree. I think you should be focusing on your own site anyways, but the way that Squidoo has been locking lenses and telling people what they can and can't write about lately I think it is even more dangerous of an idea. Handle Squidoo like a red hot poker.

[David Mcalorum]

I thought squidoo was a lost cause now. Anyone know their "link juice" now?

I dont think its as good as it used to be..

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by SPress

I'm just not a big fan of putting a ton of effort into promoting sites on Squidoo, or Squidoo-like properties. Doesn't it make more sense to build the authority of your own site?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't use Squidoo at all - they can be nice feeder pages to your "real" site. But I wouldn't spend my time building backlinks to the lenses if it's seriously taking away from building backliks to your own domain.

You must be very negative about Link Wheel

The idea is - Fast ranking for some semi-competitive keyword and start getting traffic fast!

Yes, I know authority site gives you long term benefit, and I build some of that myself, really love it because you just post content and the traffic keep adding up !

For quick traffic, web 2.0 + article marketing for fast ranking and traffic is not bad, even next time your site gone into trouble, you still have referral traffic, isn't that great?

Originally Posted by SPress

Also...If you've truly found 10 keywords which you think are building blocks to your site/niche success, don't you want those on your site building authority right away?

(as a side note here - I hope when you say you've found keywords that you can be competitive for, that you've done a thorough analysis of the top 10 existing sites for each term and aren't solely relying on some arbitrary search number...sorry, it's really a pet peeve of mine )

Yup, I do both.

I will promote my money site (A.K.A authority site) and my feeder sites (A.K.A. web 2.0) together with the same sets of backlinks, and they work very well

At least I start to get traffic in 3 weeks while waiting for my authority site to rank for the major keyword.

[kkchoon]

As I remembered, Squidoo allow only 1 do follow link, the rest will be no follow until certain condition met?

[Holland]

Hi All

Yes i agree be careful not to built a lot of backlinks to somebody else's site and if you get banned etc all your hard work was for nothing.

And built your list in the process, very important for your long twerm success

Yours isncerely
Angelina

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Holland

Hi All

Yes i agree be careful not to built a lot of backlinks to somebody else's site and if you get banned etc all your hard work was for nothing.

And built your list in the process, very important for your long twerm success

Yours isncerely
Angelina

There has been no proof that building a lot of links will cause a site to drawn

Just dancing around might be, but not entirely gone.

[Kurt]

I don't see why "authority" can't be built to your own site, as well as exploiting Squidoo at the same time.

Using Squidoo gives you more variety when you are getting links and it doesn't take much more effort to get links for 10 sites, than it does for 1 site. Plus, you can leverage some of Squidoo's traffic for free.

Having said this, I'd mis things up a bit and would use some other 2.0 sites too, instead of having all 10 on Squidoo.

I'd also be careful about heavy linking to Squidoo, especially using bookmarking...I've had two friends tell me Squidoo closed their accounts due to "improper linking". So while Google may not care about links, it appears Squidoo may, another reason to diversify.

Plus, you can only get your site in the SERPs once (twice, with a double listing). But by leveraging the free 2.0 properties, you have a chance the really dominate the Top 10 results with multiple properties that you control.

The advice given in the posts above is solid, but I'd say there is still reasons and benefits to exploiting 2.0 properties...So do make sure building your own site is priority #1, but I believe you can do both.

[paulgl]

Squidoo is a powerhouse, but they have cracked down on links from
the same domain on your lens. I think it's now 9 or less.

The reason why warriors probably do not see squidoo in results, is
that they are going for items not found much on squidoo, or are
SEOing the real pages instead. So, squidoo would not be found.

But let me give you an example of 2 of my lenses that are found,
but not by warriors. Lauren conrad hair gets a zillion searches.
Probably not something a warrior would go for. But, my lauren
conrad hair lens is on the first page of google. It gets me
massive traffic.

Sarah Palin trivia. Again, not something your normal warrior would
be searching for. But Palin is a search powerhouse. I did my
Sarah Palin lens way back in 2008 right after the pick. Huge traffic.
And, #1 on google for sarah palin trivia.

My electric socks lens in on the first page of yahoo for electric
heated socks. Traffic goes up in the winter.

I have learned to take huge search terms and get a squidoo page
ranked.

In short, there are probably many people doing SEO on pages that
are not found on squidoo. And if they were, the squidoos would be
buried. BUT....do a lens for a search term that people are not going
for, and voila! You can get massive traffic!

Squidoo is just one tool of many, many.

Paul

[kkchoon]

Hi Kurt, nice to see you here

I always love your product, I've learn a lot from Kurt and really love his WSO!

I agree that if you leverage web 2.0 sites, don't just post all articles on Squidoo, use more web 2.0 sites like:

• Blogsome
• Jimdo
• Squidoo
• LiveJournal
• Vox
• Blogspot
• Articlesbase
• Tumblr
• Webs.com
• ArticleDashboard
• Wordpress
• GoArticles
• Weebly
• Yola

You will gain more link juice from these sites, and if you build backlinks to your articles on these sites, you tend to get traffic faster while getting more link juice / site because of the links !

[srhudson]

Originally Posted by JackPowers

Isn't Squidoo seriously saturated already? How often do you see a Squidoo lens in the search results?

I've noticed this too. I very seldom see squidoo pages even ranking on the first page of google anymore. Has anybody else noticed this as well?

[paulgl]

Did you miss my post above?

Paul

[dualdtmz]

I experienced with squidoo, just a fair warning, they do NOT take to backlinks very well. just my 2 cents and actual experience. better off linking to an article site

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by dualdtmz

I experienced with squidoo, just a fair warning, they do NOT take to backlinks very well. just my 2 cents and actual experience. better off linking to an article site

Not getting you...

I build backlinks to all web 2.0 properties, not just Squidoo, and Squidoo seems fine to me.

Did you get yourself banned by Squidoo? I had never had that, but even if so, you can email them and ask for reasons, so you won't have to get banned violating the same rule...