Real way to get 560-1020 decent backlinks a day formula

[Daniel McGonagle]

I'm kinda ticked off after reading another super crappy WSO on SEO (1000 backlinks a day)so I figured I'd give the warriors some real down to earth advice here and some formulas to use for getting backlinks.

This is stuff I actually use, stuff that many other advanced SEO users I know use DAILY, so it's not some BS theory.

Want 40-80 backlinks a day per site url, just from RSS aggregators?

Then use the plugin referenced here (not an aff link) to make individual feeds out of URLS and submit them to 20 aggregator sites, then do the same thing again by using RSS bot.

If you do this once, = 40 backlinks a day and for deep links
Do this for 2 urls, = 80 backlinks a day

OK, now we're at 80 backlinks a day for individual urls,

Let's get a Twitter Linkwheel (google it!) going using Twitterfeed to get 1 link from Titter /published post, which in my experience has led to 4-5 retweets per posts at minimum.

Using twitter linkwheels can get you 10 links a day from twitter for 2 newly published posts

OK, so now we're at 90 backlinks a day.

Let's add in some social bookmarking using AutoSocial Poster Bookmarking Demon, TheLinkjuicer etc... to get an average of 10 more backlinks per post/day.

Do this for 2 urls adds 20 more backlinks a day for your sites, so now we're at 110 backlinks a day.

Use article syndicators like Unique Article Wizard to get 50 links a day that stick (lotsa work though to write one article for every url, but UAW has the largest quality blog network and it takes time to see results from using them no matter how aggressive you are )

Using Article syndication could lead to another 50 backlinks a day, no problem just a lot of effort

So now we're at 160 backlinks a day, all from DIFFERENT SOURCES and they will all stick.

If you really want 1000 backlinks a day, then you will need to ge tinto some burst linking. burst linking means using resources like LFE, XRUMER, and some other Blank>HATT>SEO tools so I'm not gonna send you down that road, all i'm saying if you can get 300-400 more links a day using those tools mentioned above, plus auto-pligging and various other tools.

sorry to be so vague there, but that's an area you should not enter into lightly unless you understand and practice basic solid SEO first.

Suffice to say that burst linking is good for an easy 200 backlinks a day/url, and it'd take less effort than writing 2 articles for Unique Article Wizard.

Using burst-linking tools can add 400 backlinks a day to your 2 urls, which brings us to a total of 560 backlinks a day for just 2 urls.

Let's take RSS for backlinks to a whole...'nuthah....level..

Merged your RSS feeds into master RSS feed using Feedmingle, YahooPipes, html2rss etc... and this basically exponentially increases the amount of links your getting because it's creating a deep,deep-deep linking mechanism by creating master merged feeds that list your other feeds that list your urls which links to whatever....

Your master RSS feed picks up any updates from your other rss feeds, which feeds off your recent published content.

You should have a webring developed for rss by having lenses, WPMU blogs, digg acocunts twitter profiles, EZA author profiles all made into RSS feeds and all pulling from each other and updating each and all of them willbe feeding the Master RSS feed, which you also build links to !

This whole MERGING RSS thing will make it hard to keep track of how many additional links you're getting, and it's not direct linking to your sites but adding link juice to many steps along the way that build the link juice for the sites that eventually DO link to you.

SORRY

I didn't deliver 1000 backlinks a day to you

OH wait, from the grand tally above (560) take 560 a day for 2 urls X 2 more urls and that's over 1000 backlinks a day.

And the amazing thing is, I only need ONE hosting provider

I don't need any plugins to do this, and rely on 3d party services to do a lot of this work, to redue the load on my blogs

I don't need any spinners to create low value crap

I'm not linking outwardly from a non-indexed site as a primary source for my 1k backlinks

I Hope you're not as disappointed with reading this post as I was with the POS WSO I just bought

[nettech]

Copy, Paste, Print

Thanks for that, excellent information, thats War Room stuff!

[Daniel McGonagle]

Thanks, dunno why the WSO ticked me off so much, writing this helped defuse that anger.

Maybe i should check out the war room, never been, starting to see the reasons for its creation now, lotsa crap being sold and eaten up,sometimes even made into stickies.

FYI, all humility aside my site in sig file is 100% war room stuff!!

[cagliostro]

Daniel thanks for that valuable info.

I want to ask if i could do that with a big classified ads website i run. I must say that i have a full rss module sitting and doing nothing. Tried to understand fully your post, but i failed.

Is there any detailed post on howto ?

thanks again

[Si_P]

How long would it take before these backlinks are actually discovered by the search engines for your site?

[Daniel McGonagle]

Originally Posted by cagliostro

Daniel thanks for that valuable info.

I want to ask if i could do that with a big classified ads website i run. I must say that i have a full rss module sitting and doing nothing. Tried to understand fully your post, but i failed.

Is there any detailed post on how to ?

thanks again

You can crawl your sites, get the entire list of urls and pop them into rssmix to create feed worthy urls out of them, then submit those urls periodically to the aggregators.

You might want to read this to help you understand how to use RSS some more, it took me a week of trial and error learning and aggravation to pull together that content > RSS Blueprint to increase backlinks - Link Building Tips + Link building Services

About the how-to stuff i left that to you to do, just go to the sites mentioned and start using them.

You also want to get the plugin i mentioned on the posts above and on my site, since they work for all kinds of sites, but it won't publish older content as new feeds, unfortunately.

I am working on a project that will do all of this for you quite easily

[Daniel McGonagle]

Originally Posted by Si_P

How long would it take before these backlinks are actually discovered by the search engines for your site?

I saw one of the merged rss feeds i made make an appearance for my name within a day or creating a merged feed with my name as the title, but it has since disappeared, probably due to low value of those backlinks, but the links will still get credited, obviously, since the merged rss feed mashup is already indexed.

[Daniel McGonagle]

You can also use the RSS footer plugin by Yoast to ensure that whoever is scraping your feeds, is forced to send backlinks your way. The plugin inserts a link inside your displayed RSS feed to original url being scraped, and to main site,and more if you wish.

Easy way to increase your backlinks if your site is being scraped or if you have an RSS link wheel going on with all your feeds

[SladeK]

wow, fantastic information; for someone like me who has a pretty decent handle on the general on page and off page seo concepts, I still have yet to touch RSS.
After reading this post though, I realize how important RSS can be to a backlinking campaign, for some reason though; I just cannot get a handle on how it works.

Say for instance I post a Squidoo lens, then using the software you mentioned, submit the URL of the lens to all of the aggregators? Then whenever I post a new lens do the same thing?

Same for Ezine, Goarticles, Hubpages, etc...

I consider myself a somewhat quick learner, but just cant grasp how RSS and the backlinks generated from it works, and for some reason nobody can answer my questions about it :P

Anyway excellent source, when I get a handle on RSS I will definitely be trying out what you mentioned above. (saved it to a word document)

[MarkAse]

Very good info. Up to this point I hadn't really heard of a way to realistically use Twitter for link building. I do think your 4-5 retweets is probably a bit high, at least in my niche-but every little bit helps!

[pozzy]

Bookmarked this post. Beautiful information, haven't tried playing around with RSS yet.

[ramirezhenry55]

I have bookmarked this also hehehe.Very useful, thanks for not being selfish in posting it here.

[Daniel McGonagle]

OK all glad to share. WF has done a lot for me

Here's some more tips.

Use Feedburner to manage your feeds so you can use desired anchor text for site, use your main kws in title of feed, customize the feeds with your picture for branding and personalization purposes.

MOST IMPORTANTLY:

Feedburner by default is set to noindex, make sure you go through the optimize tabs to change this feature.

Then start blasting links to your feedburner feeds to send link juice to an authority site (feedburner) that is linking to all your sites.

FB also pings new entries seen in your feeds too

[breakdance]

LOL Daniel, you should start a WSO service or something where we could *pay* YOU to do everything you stated in the OP (original post) for us...

Seriously!

[Daniel McGonagle]

I could do that.

Would prefer people hot educated and learned how to do it tough. Was thinking of doing an anti-crappy WSO.... service where I would buy products on my members' recommendations/suggestions and review them and share the good knowledge without giving anything away.

Dunno if I mentioned this or not, but you also have the ability with Feedburner to point your feed to a subdomain, mask it or CNAME record it to your real feedburner address, but visitors remain on your site while seeing everything they'd normally see, just like masking an aff link.

FB has been doing this for almost 3 years now.

I don't do the subdomain thing for my own personal reasons, but at first glance, putting your feed to reside on your subdomain means less link juice being passed from your site to FeedBurner.

Originally Posted by breakdance

LOL Daniel, you should start a WSO service or something where we could *pay* YOU to do everything you stated in the OP (original post) for us...

Seriously!

[stoaf88]

As far as burst linking goes use scrapebox, this is the best tool out there for the money you can possibly get.

I have been doing RSS aggregation for all my feeds for a couple of years now too.

My 3 favorites are profilactic.com, lifestream.fm and friendfeed.com, I have my feeds from every site, article directory, web 2.0 property possible.

[andyspain]

Thank you for a fantastic post - after reading this I really now see the power of rss once again!!

[Jerry Mcvictor]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Thanks, dunno why the WSO ticked me off so much, writing this helped defuse that anger.

Hey Daniel, I got that wso too; read it several times b/c i tought I had to be missing something. But there wasn't. What a waste of time, and a shame b/c newbies will follow that sorta crap and get nowhere.

Any way, fantastic info you shared!

[Daniel McGonagle]

stoaf88, ScrapeBox is ok, had som emajo rissue susing it but developer was happy to show me some stuff I was doing wrong, but its better than UWCS-er (you prolly know what that is) because SB does Yahoo Bing, gives accurate reports etc...

Testing out their trackback tool now, or rather...someone with more patience than me is checking it out, but the blog commenter works really well now that their harvesting of urls has been upgraded.

Once the aff program for ScrapeBox starts, you'll see a lot of people touting it as the best blog commenter and that'd be accurate, because the harvester finds relevant urls, removes dupe domains like wordpress.com, same domain WPMUS, and soon.

And the links stick,too. I see the comments staying approved because I spin the comments, target specific words and phrases for site harvesting, and write something that adds value to the conversation in the comments.

SB isn't the best burst linking available though, but it is good for a lot of things...Reputedly the following are good/best for burst linking

XRUMER (never used it, not into forum spamming)

SEOLINKPRO (works fine in latest version, has extreme bad rep on the BH boards) I have it running now, so it doesn't leave me much PC resources to do anything productive, but gives me time to write long replies ot threads in the WF haha!

LFE works well, glad they have an autopupdate feature cuz their constant updates made more work for me, by having me update my version like once a week, but it is a bit of work to setup and you need to know why and how to use it)

So, in reality, if I added ScrapeBox into this equation of getting 560 backlinks a day then that number would go up considerably. It's not hard to do if you have a few tools at your beck and call.

BTW, the RSS software I mentioned in the OP post above had one issue with it that has been fixed, and they're raising their price for it on Dec 4th, so the fence-sitters might want to read more about it here (not an aff link) and make their decision soon.

Still pondering why some feedburner feeds of mine aren't indexed yet even though I turned the setting to DO index, interesting...

Originally Posted by stoaf88

As far as burst linking goes use scrapebox, this is the best tool out there for the money you can possibly get.

I have been doing RSS aggregation for all my feeds for a couple of years now too.

My 3 favorites are profilactic.com, lifestream.fm and friendfeed.com, I have my feeds from every site, article directory, web 2.0 property possible.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Don't Mess With The johan! ,

Not trying to bash another Warrior or WSO here, really...He say sit works for him, so be it, there's better ways to do what he suggested, ways that are less time-consuming, more productive and effective, less money out of pocket etc....

Am really just hoping to share something useful with people, so the thanks I get, if any, are well-deserved.

Sometimes, I get SOOO embarrassed when I look back at some of the crap i actually thanked people for.

Originally Posted by johan

Hey Daniel, I got that wso too; read it several times b/c i tought I had to be missing something. But there wasn't. What a waste of time, and a shame b/c newbies will follow that sorta crap and get nowhere.

Any way, fantastic info you shared!

[Jerry Mcvictor]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Am really just hoping to share something useful with people, so the thanks I get, if any, are well-deserved.

you got my Thanks and if you ever do a WSO you got my money too

cheers

[chebe21]

Excellent and useful info here!



you do this once for a specific url or you can doit again for the same url??

Thanks Daniel McGonagle

[axleman]

What is LFE?

[hotftuna]

That is great information- no doubt.

My question is, do you need that many links for SEO?

I could see using those methods more for direct traffic more than for SEO rankings.

Even for competitive big money phrases, I have never seen a top 5 rankning site with links that look like that. I'm am not claiming that I researched every big money phrase so I could be wrong!

[areevez]

this was a veryg good read, lots of valuable info, and str8 to the point

[jazbo]

Shhhh. Scrapebox is the best kept secret out there, lets keep it that way.

Originally Posted by stoaf88

As far as burst linking goes use scrapebox, this is the best tool out there for the money you can possibly get.

I have been doing RSS aggregation for all my feeds for a couple of years now too.

My 3 favorites are profilactic.com, lifestream.fm and friendfeed.com, I have my feeds from every site, article directory, web 2.0 property possible.

[stoaf88]

Originally Posted by jazbo

Shhhh. Scrapebox is the best kept secret out there, lets keep it that way.

Yea I'm hoping that sweetfunny suspends the sale of scrapebox or at least raises the price to like $250.

We will see.

[shiv_kumar]

Daniel I dont see a direct link to the RSS plugin you mention, it is directing to your website and then the article on the site which is from September does not mention it either. It is leading to a newsletter subscription at the bottom

Can you please give us the name of the plugin and the site it is sold at?

Thanks

[Daniel McGonagle]

OK, I might do that some day, seems like there's a need, just don't feel like writing a hyped-up letter to get more people to get their hands on this info, which is entirely my fault

Originally Posted by johan

you got my Thanks and if you ever do a WSO you got my money too

cheers

[Daniel McGonagle]

Shiv, this is the first time ever that I kept something sort of under wraps by not publicly displaying the aff link on my site.

You saw the email newsletter, and if you opted in you got an immediate email via Aweber with the link to the product and the name.

Trust me when I say I'm doing your competition a favor by not selling hundreds of these, it's a good tool, good software, price is going up soon, but still a great value since it can be put on all your sites, unlimited license etc...

Originally Posted by shiv_kumar

Daniel I don't see a direct link to the RSS plugin you mention, it is directing to your website and then the article on the site which is from September does not mention it either. It is leading to a newsletter subscription at the bottom

Can you please give us the name of the plugin and the site it is sold at?

Thanks

[Daniel McGonagle]

hoftuna,

Twitter DOES send direct traffic and the smattering of backlinks.

And you'd want to use a combination of direct linking and link wheel linking/promotion using your 1000s of daily links, so it works for both method direct and indirect...

Promote your link wheel spokes to strengthen the links and link value they provide back to other spokes and what not... good way to rank well for a long time.

Every QUALITY link helps your SERPs, and getting a variety of links sources from places like forums, profile pages, lenses, twitter, article/submission/search engine directories, blogs websites, etc.. is conducive to achieving a natural-seeming set of backlinks in your campaigns.

Natural linking would include getting a variety of link attributes such as "naked links", AKA straight urls,

and using varied anchor text links, gotta mix up the words in your anchor text to also seem natural.

Originally Posted by hotftuna

That is great information- no doubt.

My question is, do you need that many links for SEO?

I could see using those methods more for direct traffic more than for SEO rankings.

Even for competitive big money phrases, I have never seen a top 5 rankning site with links that look like that. I'm am not claiming that I researched every big money phrase so I could be wrong!

[Daniel McGonagle]

There's a partial review of it here. [YACG] Yet Another Content Generator Update - Link Building Tips + Link building Services

Don't really want to get into stuff like that here on the WF, since it's really not something a lot of people are cut out for, and it can be devastating (bad) if used improperly.

Originally Posted by axleman

What is LFE?

[Frances Norah S]

I've got to say that I am really thankful that I stumbled upon this thread. The way you put it to get 1000s of backlinks is just so simple and yet worth more than most products out there! This post is really really really meaningful.

Thanks Daniel

[Daniel McGonagle]

Frances, you're quite welcome.

For those wondering about "LFE", I re-posted an article from my personal blog to my Warrior forum blog...here > http://www.warriorforum.com/blogs/da...on-review.html ( not comfortable linking out from WF to my own site so frequently, might be seen as obvious link obtaining despite the added-value to the discussion)

Originally Posted by Frances Norah S

I've got to say that I am really thankful that I stumbled upon this thread. The way you put it to get 1000s of backlinks is just so simple and yet worth more than most products out there! This post is really really really meaningful.

Thanks Daniel

[Daniel McGonagle]

Here's some proof of re-tweet and various other re-tweeting going on in the blogo-twitter-sphere (8 re-tweets so far, post was made 2 hours ago I think)

Link Farm Evolution vs. Unique Article Wizard uberVU conversation

Twitter Trackbacks for Link Farm Evolution vs. Unique Article Wizard - Link Building Tips + Link building Services [linkvanareviews.com] on Topsy.com

The OP was doubting the # of re-tweets that could be obtained per post, and I never really counted, just gave an guess-timate average, and this is the first time I really got a quick count, but really no idea how many re-tweets will get caused here, nor am I interested in counting again, just proving the point and hopefully erasing any lingering doubts if any of this is BS

[jazbo]

I think people should be aware this is rapidly heading off into back hat world. YACG is pure, 100% black hat content-scrape, serve and ban if found material. Do not even go near it unless you 100% understand how to re-engineer it to remove all trackable footprints from the script.

Same goes for LinkFarm Evolution. This is pure scraped content mass-generation, and again, unless you know what you are doing is not tough to spot. These scripts are a high risk strategy if you are not sure what you are doing and can cover your tracks adequately.

Also we are talking about mass pinging and generation through software, all of which could be disastrous if you get it wrong - as in banned for a year or more from the Google SERP's.

One point I would also make is why this is considered essential:

"Feedburner by default is set to noindex, make sure you go through the optimize tabs to change this feature."

Making it indexable will allow it to be spidered and indexed by Google in its own right, making it a big fat piece of 100% duplicate content. Dangerous possibly, essential, no, not from where I am standing. Unless I am missing something?

[Daniel McGonagle]

Hey... didn't mean to reference YACG, but someone asked what LFE was and I didn't want to get into it so I referenced a semi-review on it.

LFE is mass site creation and is not BH in any way unless you make it that way by using their content hooks (steal other's content) so yes, you're missing something there but not much. If mass site creation was BH because if that was the case the BlogBot by icannsoft would be BH, too since it mass creates sites. I'm not gonna respond to reference those again after this reply don't want to give them any more attention in case people get more interested in those things rather than just setting up a 100% white hat mechanism.

You're also wrong about duplicate content penalties stuff, too.

No offense, but have you actually ever tested any of the theories about dupe content, or read Google Webmaster guidelines blog on this, or just regurgitating and propagating a myth?

It only affects you if you have multiple urls with same content on one site, so set your Allinone seo or platinum seo plugin settings the right way (stuff like no-index tags, categories etc..), and don't post to multiple blog categories, either or the SEs will have to make a decision on which url to rank over the other, and this means you might be getting backlinks to the wrong url at some point, lol. Which is why it really does pay to wait for your content to reach a settling point, to see which one is going to be the best indexed one (if you posted it to 2 places on same site by posting to multiple categories that is)

Dupe penalty could also apply if you have verbatim-dupe content hosted and posted on multiple sites that ar eon the same hosting platform, IP, subnet UP etc..., which in the SE's eyes (their 'bots) basically means more dupe content from same source, despite the content being on 2 seperate site, to them it's still the same "source" ie. IP, subnet, hosting provider, etc...

Looks like I have to reference my blog again on this one, to let you know how I tested the dupe content penalty (myth?)

Duplicate Content Penalty Myths and Some Tests I'm Running - Link Building Tips + Link building Services

Test it out for yourself!!!!!

**** Go write an EZA article, get it published then submit that article to 2 press different press release sites, see if all 3 remain indexed.

**** Then take the EZA article and put it verbatim on 3 sites you own that are self-hosted and all under the same hosting provider, see what happens there...let those articles on your sites get indexed, then see how they actually "battle" each other and start pushing your other 2 "same-source" article or posts out of the SERPs, leaving you with just one solid-ranked post.

In my expereince, and par tof the test I did, I copied and pasted an article verbatim on 3 of my sites, each one was indexed within 3 minutes, but what I did was wait for the first one to get indexed, waited about 10 minutes, published the next article, saw the first article disappear, then published the third article ten minutes later, saw the 2d indexed article disappear, and eventually, it was the most recent published verbatim dupe content post that remained in the SERPS; the others just got crappy rankings, and the urls for those posts never re-appeared.

***** To further prove the point that same source dupe content did get a penalty, I keep modifying the content on my self-hosted same-source in the SE's eyes and eventually when it reaches a certain uniqueness point or percentage, those urls regain some serps.

***** Do those things and then you'll have a better idea on how the dupe content penalty works

Start with my blog post referenced above, then read the next post in that series, then do your own tests..Then you'll be talking about dupe content more accurately, and see that it doesn't apply to feedburner because your snippetized or full-feed-content is on another seemingly separate source.

ANYHOO> PLEASE lets forget about those BH-in-nature acronymns (YACG, LFE. SB etc... ) cuz you really don't wanna go BH any time soon if all of this info in this post is new to you.

Let's focus on the fact that everything that is written here can be accomplished by using white-hat SEO

NOTE: I'm a bit embarrassed about this, but after doing some more research, it seems that Google has been de-indexing feedburner content for years so de-selecting NoIndex on feedburner setting probably doesn't matter.

Google's trying to give it SE users a better (shopping?) experience or something, so they removed feed content from their indices, or so I've read, and it seems to still be that way.

Which means even if there were a dupe content penalty when your full feed content or snippetized content is hosted by feedburner, it still wouldn't matter because it seems like it's gonna be non-indexed no matter what settings are set to.

Still researching that, and will update this thread once I find out if there is a way to get a FB feed indexed, or better ways and places to host your feed.

The real point here is that this is scalable and it works.... you saw the re-tweets listing right? (sorry it seems to be about BH stuff, I am actually trying to review all products I use, while steering people away from BH tools and mentality).

Seriously folks forget the BH stuff, stick to implementing the WH stuff here, after all, you can do solid safe automated SEO with some effective mechanisms in place, and there's really no need to go BH at all, just be the most effective and automated white-hatter out there.

Originally Posted by jazbo

I think people should be aware this is rapidly heading off into back hat world. YACG is pure, 100% black hat content-scrape, serve and ban if found material. Do not even go near it unless you 100% understand how to re-engineer it to remove all trackable footprints from the script.

Same goes for LinkFarm Evolution. This is pure scraped content mass-generation, and again, unless you know what you are doing is not tough to spot. These scripts are a high risk strategy if you are not sure what you are doing and can cover your tracks adequately.

Also we are talking about mass pinging and generation through software, all of which could be disastrous if you get it wrong - as in banned for a year or more from the Google SERP's.

One point I would also make is why this is considered essential:

"Feedburner by default is set to noindex, make sure you go through the optimize tabs to change this feature."

Making it indexable will allow it to be spidered and indexed by Google in its own right, making it a big fat piece of 100% duplicate content. Dangerous possibly, essential, no, not from where I am standing. Unless I am missing something?

[danjensen]

thanks for the post,

I'm just starting to be educated on backling and thats one valueble post thanks for sharing daniel

[jazbo]

Wow some confusing advice there Daniel, and surprisingly aggressive in your response I felt? When someone says "no offence" to me I take offense, unsurprisingly.



"LFE is mass site creation and is not BH in any way unless you make it that way "

Hmm, so you think mass site creation is white hat? Perhaps you should try emailing Matt Cutts and asking him, if you are confident of that.


You're also wrong about duplicate content penalties stuff, too.

No offense, but have you actually ever tested any of the theories about dupe content, or read Google Webmaster guidelines blog on this, or just regurgitating and propagating a myth?


As you acknowledged further down your post that Google does not index the RSS feeds, perhaps propagating myths is not something limited to just myself? You are totally right, they stopped indexing feeds in 2007, glad you went back and found that out.

I have actually done every single thing you describe using RSS in the past, have written about it, and will be doing so again soon.

Also I think you missed my point on duplicate content. Do you not think that by serving up a big fat merged feed, you will make it a juicy target for the scrapers and increasing your chance of getting pages from your site into potential duplicate content issues?


Let's focus on the fact that everything that is written here can be accomplished by using white-hat SEO

Send you original post to Matt Cutts and ask him if its ok. Comfortable with doing that? No did not think you would be, therefore this is not in any way "whitehat". By telling people it is you are potentially putting their sites at risk if they now believe your advice is fine to carry out without caution.




The real point here is that this is scalable and it works.... you saw the re-tweets listing right? (sorry it seems to be about BH stuff, I am actually trying to review all products I use, while steering people away from BH tools and mentality).

But none of this is black hat stuff apparently and completely safe for anyone to do.


Seriously folks forget the BH stuff, stick to implementing the WH stuff here, after all, you can do solid safe automated SEO with some effective mechanisms in place, and there's really no need to go BH at all, just be the most effective and automated white-hatter out there.

How can they forget it, you started it, and have mentioned more and more extreme examples of it in your follow-ups.

Automated SEO is hardly whitehat is it? Srapebox, Xrumer, LFE, linkjuicer, bookmarkin demon . You even mention the ultimate spam-fest autopligg!

It reads like a "who's who" of stuff to keep under your (black) hat and use only with knowledge, caution and restraint.

Again, why not email Googles spam team and ask them which automated link building programs you can use....But you already know the answer to that one, as should anyone else reading this....NONE.


Sorry to pick up on your advice, but people are reading this and could potentially go out and do it all tonight and get their sites banned to sh**. you have not introduced a SINGLE word of caution into this thread which I challenge is completely irresponsible.

I also take with a pinch of salt advice that includes getting endless nofollow twitter links and states that quality links include:

"forums, profile pages, lenses, twitter, article/submission/search engine directories, blogs websites, etc.. "

Quality links? Really?

[Daniel McGonagle]

jazbo, re. your reply...

Automation is SEO is not a bad thing
Automation is business is much desired

ALB
3waylinks
NeuroLinker
Unique Article Wizard
My Article Network
The Link Juicer
Social Bookmarking Demon
Blog Comment Demon
AutoSocialPoster
2-way links exchanges
Reciprocal linking
LinkVana
Backlink Solutions
Traffic Kahuna
Content Kahuna
Isnare
Getting your EzineArticles' articles republished properly, verbatim, with links intact

Almost all of those can be automated, almost none of them nor those methods have been slapped by Cutts and Google, at least by those using them responsibly.

No, Mass site CREATORS are not "bad" SEO. A bunch of empty sites is meaningless and worthless though.

Mass site BUILDERS like WPMAGE, possibly could leave a footprint like the ebay affiliate program automated clone sites did, or do...

It's what you do with those sites that can get you in trouble

Automatically posting your site updates to your Twitter account is merely an act of getting a plugin or 3d party to do something for you automatically. If someone wants to spend their precious time doing the same thing manually, that's up to them.

What value is there to individual Twitter links? I think not much

What value is there to getting viral exposure for you website via automated re-tweets that you have no control over and aren't doing personally? I know you know the answer to that.

Still have RSS feed syndication/dupe content concerns for whatever reason?

Read this then SEOmoz | 5 Simple Tips for Better SEO Value from Your Feeds

Most people want their RSS feeds scraped, since it usually results in endless backlinks and why Yoast came out with a solution for this called RSS footer.

Again, with dupe content the better quality sites will outrank the poorer quality sites if full verbatim content is on both, and sites that actually do scrape full content from feeds are usually lower quality than the source sites, therefore it's not a worry.

And please understand what Matt Cutts and Google wrote on their site about duplicate content, and you'll see that widespread syndication of a feed is not a cause for concern dupe-content wise for a lot of reasons.

I seriously doubt merged feeds will get scraped, but if so, then great,,, that means someones super-powering your links acquisition for you, from a separate IP, subnet, source etc....whilst not usually displaying anything besides an excerpt and a link back to your site, and usually it's a deep link and/or link to main site.

If you really think that having a whole slew of people publishing your content verbatim is bad SEO for the sites being linked to, then do a search for my name, then look at the way-back pages, like pages 4-7 and you'll see a whole bunch of people who have put up on their websites a sales letter (verbatim) that they got with a product I sell that has MRR rights to it. Their sites are not intended to rank for my name, but their sites and indexed, this widespread duplicate content hasn't hurt their sites since they're all on diff subnet, ips, and seen as different sources.

And the same would apply to sites that scraped your feeds and re-posted snippets with backlinks to your site...

Same thing applies for people re-publishing your articles verbatim

Do a search for the term "twitter link wheels" without quotes and tell me what you see there?

twitter link wheels - Google Search

My Site - repurposed the content to my WF blog
WF - different title same post as from my site
ReTweet - not mine, but indexed despite the nofollow
Feedagg, a site that's nothing but scraped content and linking out

I could go on and on here and show you and teach you more but as always when discussing SEO, there's always disagreements and stuff, so maybe I'll start anew thread or blog post some day discussing some of these points in detail ( like how to do safe automated seo, help people do their own dupe content penalty test with content feeds, merged feeds, set up twitter accounts to re-post their content, see how their traffic increases etc...)

Took a quick look at your sig file... interesting.

You questioned my recommendation of profiles, forums, article directories, blogs, etc... as being, even though it's really a hodge-podge list of most of the types of places you could get links, nothing new or unusual about that...

BUT...

you're selling limited packets of profile links and also *hinting* at the locations from which these lists of links packets can be obtained, illegally for free.

Quote from your site:


2. Because Angela/Paul etc have become so well known for their pioneering work, their links are shared like candy. Go to forums like XXXXXXXXX (X-ed out by me trying to be responsible here) and SXXXX-(X-ed out by me again) - you can download them free if you know where to look.

End Quote:

You're selling backlinks packets for profiles or whatever, but making them limited so the sites don't get hammered by groups of people, that makes sense

But when it comes to using these profiles packets, you should read Andy Black's post on how to get SOME effect out of these packets, plus people should realize just how much work it will take to gain value from those backlinks.

This post here (not mine) say's those profiles links packets don't work

http://www.adhocads.com/node/930

But it is contradicted by Andy's post here

http://www.article-writer-pro.com/bl...profile-pages/

Happy Thanksgiving everyone, hope the info, discussions, rebuttals and turkey all digest well!

[Shana_Adam]

Getting back links and dealing with RSS feeds are so labour intensive.

Plus you need to be super organized to know exactly what has gone where.

Although some software can automate the process I have found it takes 5 times as long just checking up to see if the feeds have actually been submitted.

Back linking is a necessary evil - if you have the patience to just do it the benefits will be well grand.

[fatbikez]

sounds like an easy way to get into the sandbox.. build quality sites and people will link to you natually.. stay away from blackhat

[AvidAZ]

Can someone explain RSS feeds? Does this work for shopping sites or content only sites?

[warrich]

excellent information thanks for sharing

[Preciseim]

Great post Daniel thanks a lot for this

[slazer90]

Thanks for this information!

I will try it out now

[Daniel McGonagle]

Write good quality content and HOPE that people directly link to you from their websites?

How's that working for you?

Seriously, write one of the best articles you could ever come up with and publish it and see what happens.

I wrote a monster 5000-word AWESOME post here and only got about 3 -4 backlinks from it

Footprints In Cyberspace - Internet Marketing With Daniel McGonagle

Part of that article talks about following bad advice from "gurus", and hoping that good content get linked to naturally is probably one of the more widespread link building and SEO myths out there now.

Would you rather safely be the master of your domains and generate your own links or hope someone likes your content and links to you?

On the other hand, getting re-tweeted and getting your site feeds scraped is a form of others linking to good content, but those links are far less valuable than direct links from other sites.

Originally Posted by fatbikez

sounds like an easy way to get into the sandbox.. build quality sites and people will link to you natually.. stay away from BlueFart

[searchnology]

Totally agree...people think that " quality content" is the end all (maybe because it sounds so noble) but hey McDonalds runs one of the biggest businesses in the world based on crappy hamburgers and VOLUME, not quality.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Write good quality content and HOPE that people directly link to you from their websites?

How's that working for you?

Seriously, write one of the best articles you could ever come up with and publish it and see what happens.

I wrote a monster 5000-word AWESOME post here and only got about 3 -4 backlinks from it

Footprints In Cyberspace - Internet Marketing With Daniel McGonagle

Part of that article talks about following bad advice from "gurus", and hoping that good content get linked to naturally is probably one of the more widespread link building and SEO myths out there now.

Would you rather safely be the master of your domains and generate your own links or hope someone likes your content and links to you?

On the other hand, getting re-tweeted and getting your site feeds scraped is a form of others linking to good content, but those links are far less valuable than direct links from other sites.

[Steve-K]

Dan,

I have been a full-time Internet Marketer for a number of years.

I agree with all the information provided by you.

Black Hat vs. White Hat can be interpreted differently. Your interpretation is correct.

I also think there is too much MISinformation on the subject of footprints by some so-called SEO experts. Don't do this and don't do that. BULL! Use common sense and experiment a little, even if it means pushing the envelope a bit.

NO ONE truly knows the inner workings of Google, etc.

[MarkAse]

I think the real question becomes when grey hat SEO becomes black hat. For some, those profile links from Angela and Paul are black hat(I don't agree).

Plenty of ways to get links out there, profiles can work and let's not forget you can find those on your own as well.