+++Micro Niche Finder

julianyc · 11-23-2009, 05:45 PM

I've been considering purchasing Micro Niche Finder to help with my keyword research.

I'd love to know what experience anyone has had with the accuracy of the green SoC indicator.

I don't believe it takes into account the page rank of the competing top 10 sites, so I'm wondering how that factors into everyone's experience.

Is a green light indeed a go ahead that you can rank? Or have you found you need to do additional manual keyword research before taking the jump on a given keyword?

samhig · 11-23-2009, 05:52 PM

I got a copy of this myself, they just added 5 new training videos in the bonus package to teach people how to set up quick squeeze page on squidoo, googlesite, how to use joomla etc. It collects traffic data from google, and you can choose to have the data locally (U.S.) or all over the web (means from all google sites) or you can specify your country. They give you a more detailed guideline as to which keyword to go in the product, not just green or red light in their demo video

Fraggler · 11-23-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by julianyc

Is a green light indeed a go ahead that you can rank? Or have you found you need to do additional manual keyword research before taking the jump on a given keyword?

The SoC parameter is from an equation consiting of inanchor, intitle, and inurl. It is a good starting point but you have to realise that you are leaving a lot of keywords on the table that you can easily rank for.

If you know anything about SEO you will already by using your keyword in the pages title, url, description, h1, backlink anchor text etc. This negates any advantage a site can get on you in this department. It is obviously better if the competition doesn't have these factors but it is so easy for you to match it should not be a deciding factor.

You need to look at the PR of the top 10 links. The more 0's the better. You need to look for the number of backlinks to the page and the backlinks to the domain. You want to be able to match these numbers. If you find one with a large number of links then do a backlink analysis to see what anchor text is being used. They could be irrelevant links that won't have too much effect on the value of the page. PR also helps to determine the quality of the links. 1000's of backlinks and a very low PR means the links are useless spam more than likely.

So yeah, I like the top 10 results to have pages with PR0 to 3, majority with < 100 links to the page, lacking basic on-site SEO. I know I can beat these factors so I know I can get in the top 10.

julianyc · 11-23-2009, 07:15 PM

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You need to look at the PR of the top 10 links. The more 0's the better. You need to look for the number of backlinks to the page and the backlinks to the domain. You want to be able to match these numbers.

Hmm...so is MNF really a time saver in that case?

If all it's offering me is the inanchor, intitle and inurl counts, those are searches I could pull quickly for each keyword.

To me, the real work is in examining what you described - the PR of the top 10 pages, the links to those pages and the links to those domains.

Maybe it's easier just to do this all manually after all?

Fraggler · 11-23-2009, 07:22 PM

Traffic Travis and Market Samurai are 2 tools that do all of this very easily.

nettech · 11-23-2009, 09:09 PM

Unless you've got lots of free time or you have a tool that helps you do this.

MNF has helped me to save soooo much time.

It gives you an 'indication' of the terms to target, its your job to then take a quick look at the serps and see the competition on page 1 which only takes about 30 seconds. From expereince I can generally tell if my keyword will rank on page 1 or not.

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Originally Posted by julianyc

Hmm...so is MNF really a time saver in that case?

If all it's offering me is the inanchor, intitle and inurl counts, those are searches I could pull quickly for each keyword.

To me, the real work is in examining what you described - the PR of the top 10 pages, the links to those pages and the links to those domains.

Maybe it's easier just to do this all manually after all?

julianyc · 11-25-2009, 06:33 PM

So does that mean that MNF does take into account the Page Rank of the competing page 1 pages?

I thought it just considered inurl, intitle and inanchor?

bigcat1967 · 11-25-2009, 07:28 PM

I just look at my log and see what ppl are typing in to get to my site. I see a lot of long tailed KWs and then I reoptimize my page or part of my site.

rememberramu · 11-30-2009, 07:04 AM

I am using both MNF and market samurai. I think the main advantage of MNF is SOC, I use it as starting point in my keyword research, then I use market samurai for all keywords having green SOC, and look at the first page of google result analysis, more internal pages better. If there is PR5 page ranking in first page I discard that keyword. I some time also take consideration of OCI value.

Owen Smith · 08-17-2010, 06:54 AM

The SOC is 90% correct, check the MOB, which will give you the average backlinks you need to get to be above the backlinks on the top 10, this does not mean top spot though. Having the domain name is a must with the keyword within it.

DireStraits · 08-17-2010, 07:05 AM

I don't use Micro Niche Finder, so I can't talk from experience, but I'm not sure I'd trust an automatically generated SEO competition "score", since the computer doesn't have the bonus of being able to learn from its previous experience at ranking various terms.

I prefer to just look at the raw data (or as raw as possible) and make my own judgements. It serves me very well.

I normally use Market Samurai for this purpose, as it sets out most of the information I need in a nice neat table.

11-23-2009, 05:45 PM	#1
julianyc Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 28 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	+++Micro Niche Finder - SoC Accuracy??+++ I've been considering purchasing Micro Niche Finder to help with my keyword research. I'd love to know what experience anyone has had with the accuracy of the green SoC indicator. I don't believe it takes into account the page rank of the competing top 10 sites, so I'm wondering how that factors into everyone's experience. Is a green light indeed a go ahead that you can rank? Or have you found you need to do additional manual keyword research before taking the jump on a given keyword?

11-23-2009, 05:52 PM	#2
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11-25-2009, 06:33 PM	#7
julianyc Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 28 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: +++Micro Niche Finder - SoC Accuracy??+++ So does that mean that MNF does take into account the Page Rank of the competing page 1 pages? I thought it just considered inurl, intitle and inanchor?

11-25-2009, 07:28 PM	#8
bigcat1967 Senior Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,259 Thanks: 21 Thanked 54 Times in 52 Posts	Re: +++Micro Niche Finder - SoC Accuracy??+++ I just look at my log and see what ppl are typing in to get to my site. I see a lot of long tailed KWs and then I reoptimize my page or part of my site.
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rememberramu HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 192 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: +++Micro Niche Finder - SoC Accuracy??+++ I am using both MNF and market samurai. I think the main advantage of MNF is SOC, I use it as starting point in my keyword research, then I use market samurai for all keywords having green SOC, and look at the first page of google result analysis, more internal pages better. If there is PR5 page ranking in first page I discard that keyword. I some time also take consideration of OCI value.
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08-17-2010, 07:05 AM	#11
DireStraits Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 1,828 Thanks: 653 Thanked 979 Times in 647 Posts	Re: +++Micro Niche Finder - SoC Accuracy??+++ I don't use Micro Niche Finder, so I can't talk from experience, but I'm not sure I'd trust an automatically generated SEO competition "score", since the computer doesn't have the bonus of being able to learn from its previous experience at ranking various terms. I prefer to just look at the raw data (or as raw as possible) and make my own judgements. It serves me very well. I normally use Market Samurai for this purpose, as it sets out most of the information I need in a nice neat table.