Darn it !! Overwhelming evidence

Lukas · 11-24-2009, 08:07 AM

Hot dam. I just went through a site to check it's on-page SEO and found that time after time (BTW, I don't mind hearing that song again :-)); the use of multiple bold tags, well strong beat or equaled H1 or H2 tags. it is all about how you use them I guess.

In a simple Q & A format it just worked.

what is ...?
how does blah work?
risks?
what results to expect?
where can I find blah?
cost of blah?

I'll use it on one of my sites to validate it.

I was lead astray that h1 and h2 were the "end all, be all", the "coupe de gras" along w/ relevant content and little sprinkles of, lsi, alt, bolds. Sure those factors do still hold true but a sitepage(s) with tables, td and just multiple bold text questions ranking well confuses the theories of SEO.

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Also is it true that you should not have h1 classes or ids in the html source and simply declare it in the css file ONLY?

I just read up on divitis and classitis....good thing I get those creative commons templates or use wordpress.

gee, always learning...does it ever end even after 8 years?

jazbo · 11-24-2009, 09:52 AM

Bottom line is onpage SEO counts for around 10% of the factors that will help you rank. The rest is links and the strength of your site overall.

Google reads text, make sure you title is good, that you have an h1 at the top of the page, and then just write good quality relevant content.

Thats all you need to worry about.

Intrepreneur · 11-24-2009, 10:26 AM

The tags are not the be all but they should be used as standard. With standard coding practices they end up in the right places anyway.

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metafever · 11-24-2009, 10:33 AM

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CliveG · 11-24-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas

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Also is it true that you should not have h1 classes or ids in the html source and simply declare it in the css file ONLY?

I just read up on divitis and classitis....good thing I get those creative commons templates or use wordpress.

gee, always learning...does it ever end even after 8 years?

I prefer to have only one <h1> tag on a page and hence you do not need a class or id to attach a style to it. Just use h1{...} in your style sheet.

For other headings the same applies if all the headings at each heading level look alike. Otherwise use classes or ids, but remember you can use an id only once on a web page.

Lukas · 11-24-2009, 10:53 AM

I retract one statement "end all be all". when I applied it they way it is supposed to be it did move up many pages correctly but now some of this has to be rethought as some pages with H1 and h2 are not even in top 30 while the use of multiple questions w/strong tags are which do not have any H1.

It is true backlinks count for SEO as well, and I know they are an extensive article marketer so that is probably where the ranking is helped.

Intrepreneur · 11-24-2009, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas

I retract one statement "end all be all". when I applied it they way it is supposed to be it did move up many pages correctly.

Yes and that is standard practice of HTML and always has been. Not rocket science at all.

sousen · 11-24-2009, 11:09 AM

Good idea but beside on page SEO you can also try off page which also will gie you profit

Zeus66 · 11-24-2009, 11:15 AM

People way overthink on-page SEO. Pick a good, rankable keyword. Use it in your title, meta tags, and naturally in the page text. Spend your time finding and getting lots of keyword anchor text backlinks. That's where the real ranking power is.

Having said that (well, typed it), I'm reading here and there that Google's new Caffeine update seems to put a bit less emphasis on links and more on loading speed and LSI and other on-page factors. So maybe the "rules" are about to change, for only the 5,430th time.

John

carlo_sim · 11-24-2009, 11:16 AM

Backlinks baby backlinks! =)

DonTino · 11-24-2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus66

People way overthink on-page SEO. Pick a good, rankable keyword. Use it in your title, meta tags, and naturally in the page text. Spend your time finding and getting lots of keyword anchor text backlinks. That's where the real ranking power is.

Having said that (well, typed it), I'm reading here and there that Google's new Caffeine update seems to put a bit less emphasis on links and more on loading speed and LSI and other on-page factors. So maybe the "rules" are about to change, for only the 5,430th time.

John

What's LSI??

Tino

DonTino · 11-24-2009, 12:40 PM

Caffeine is driving me crazy by the way i had it all figured out but now getting and staying on top just seems harder for my sites.

Tino

jejaka · 11-24-2009, 12:43 PM

Hey Nice Info....

WareTime · 11-24-2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonTino

What's LSI??

Tino

Latent Semantic Indexing. Lots of mentions of that this week. Almost thinks their is an impending WSO or larger offering rolling down the pipe that is all about LSI.

If there is, save your money, write decent content and backlink

tjcocker · 11-24-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WareTime

Latent Semantic Indexing. Lots of mentions of that this week. Almost thinks their is an impending WSO or larger offering rolling down the pipe that is all about LSI.

If there is, save your money, write decent content and backlink

Hey, check out my Super Power Double YumYum No Risk "LSI WSO" coming soon!!! Guaranteed to do many good stuff!!@!!

j/k

I could not resist.

WareTime · 11-24-2009, 07:38 PM

Here's how it all unfolded.

Someone noticed their pages with H1 and their bretheren ranked well. Since the H-tags are to organize a doc, Google used them to figure out what a doc was about.

Webmasters then started loading up their H1's by stuffing them with keywords, or using multiple H1's on the same page. Some went as far as jamming complete paragraphs in them and then using css to make them a normal font size.

Google saw this and adjusted accordingly by discriminating against keyword stuffing them or too many H1's on a page.

As it is today. You can use H1, but won't get the boost that you used to and you need to not over do it, or it could hurt you many say. An H1 is for a main headline and should not appear more than once per page. The H tags are best used to outline your page

ala

<h1>Dogs</h1>
<h2>Breeds</h2>
<h3>Beagle</h3>
<h3>Boxer</h3>

This is good use of H tags. If you reasearch the html standard a bit there are some gems in their that can help a site out. Things like definition lists: the DL, DT, and DD elements and also the address element <ADDRESS>

We know Google likes to see address info and the like that make the site look like it has a legitimate owner. What better way than making use of some tags that indicate that straight out.

11-24-2009, 08:07 AM	#1
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WareTime HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 374 Thanks: 17 Thanked 35 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Darn it !! Overwhelming evidence Here's how it all unfolded. Someone noticed their pages with H1 and their bretheren ranked well. Since the H-tags are to organize a doc, Google used them to figure out what a doc was about. Webmasters then started loading up their H1's by stuffing them with keywords, or using multiple H1's on the same page. Some went as far as jamming complete paragraphs in them and then using css to make them a normal font size. Google saw this and adjusted accordingly by discriminating against keyword stuffing them or too many H1's on a page. As it is today. You can use H1, but won't get the boost that you used to and you need to not over do it, or it could hurt you many say. An H1 is for a main headline and should not appear more than once per page. The H tags are best used to outline your page ala <h1>Dogs</h1> <h2>Breeds</h2> <h3>Beagle</h3> <h3>Boxer</h3> This is good use of H tags. If you reasearch the html standard a bit there are some gems in their that can help a site out. Things like definition lists: the DL, DT, and DD elements and also the address element <ADDRESS> We know Google likes to see address info and the like that make the site look like it has a legitimate owner. What better way than making use of some tags that indicate that straight out.