64,000 Links, How can I compete?

[Orlando Web Design]

Hi Fellow Warriors.

My Google competitor has 64,000 backlinks for a semi competitive keyword.

My question is, how can I compete with that?

What's the best way to create a monstrous amount of good backlinks?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

[janicejan]

64,000 backlinks? they may have worked years to achieve it. But the thing is.. I'm sure that not all of it are from authority sites, if you could tell me their site and the keyword they were using I can also tell you the percentage of good links over bad links.

I guess that around 20% to 30% of those links are not helpful at all.

[ucajack]

But for these 64k backlinks he hasnt made all of them manually. it is pretty easy to acieve such a count in three to forum months by giving quality time.
i man submit articles to the best article directories. for example i snare alone submits you links to 1000 directories! at least 25% of them will show.. best to the best press releases, they distribute all over the places.. so dont get confused by the 64k nos. if you liked the comment do tell me whether you agree to it or not!

[Texjd]

Get creative, there are always other keywords that can be of benefit. I have two sites in similar situation so I went after all the other keywords that would be good for the website and get a good amount of traffic from those.

Get out of the box and look for keywords that will target the same audience but don't have as much competition.

And you don't have to be number one to get some good traffic, number 2 and 3 still get traffic. Depending on the subject matter and possible revenue, I would find ways to outsmart them rather than go head to head against that kind of link count.

[TrafficMystic]

Are the profits off your site and the keyword search volumes that good that you need to compete for that keyword phrase? have you check the long tail keywords instead?

[niac7]

Originally Posted by Orlando Web Design

Hi Fellow Warriors.

My Google competitor has 64,000 backlinks for a semi competitive keyword.

My question is, how can I compete with that?

What's the best way to create a monstrous amount of good backlinks?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Hey, depending on this type of business, it may be super easy to get past your competitor.

Also, one VERY important thing is that you don't need nearly as many backlinks as your competitor if their backlinks are not quality. And by quality, I don't mean necessarily High PR links.

What matters most to Google is Relevancy. Remember that!

Plug your competitor's website into a backlink checker that will show u the Anchor Text used. Find out how many times your keyword is used for the Anchor. Do not count the nofollow links in your number.

Once you know how many times the keyword is used in Anchor Text, you know the number of links that you need to exceed.

Remember that you will also need to have a greater keyword density on your page as well.

To do this, find your competitor's keyword density by viewing the source of their website. Then, search the code for the number of times the keyword comes up. This will give you an estimate of the density on that page.

Once you can exceed these factors, it should only be a matter of time, in most cases.

There is also a much quicker, simpler way depending on the business type. Shoot me message and we can discuss more details to see if it would work for your business.

[Joseph Then]

I have over 1,000 backlinks as shown in Yahoo.

500+ of them are sitewide links.

100+ are from blogs

However, they are only 200+ backlinks recognized by Google.

So even if they have 64,000 backlinks, not all are important. I've seen a site ranking #1 having only 100+ backlinks and #3 having 1000 backlinks.

[Chris Stigson]

Some of the sites I own have only 3 links indexed in Google and still ranks #1, but I'd think that those 64,000 links are coming from site-wide links, such as the bottom of a BIG forum that has many posts, or an article directory...

Odds are that many of the links are not being created by them. But like somebody said, if you keep submitting articles to 1,000 of directories (and make them kind of unique) you'll get a ton of backlinks... You might also want to try free traffic system, they get you some links from blogs etc..

I actually like blog links the most, they are very effective for ranking higher, but I'd rather get links from sites with less outgoing links, so building a solid blog network yourself and linking back is a smart solution.

- Chris

[bgmacaw]

You have to look deeper than the 64K links. I can generate 64K links overnight using certain obsidian chapeau tools. It's not the best thing to do for a long lived site but don't let the number alone scare you off.

Are the links all from one source or just a very small number of domains or a huge amount of domains?

Are the links from mostly from authority sites or a bunch of junk sites or low authority sites?

Are the links anchored on the keyword or something close to it or something unrelated, like a person's name?

You can beat them if their backlinks are weak but if they have a solid portfolio it will be rather difficult. If they are a powerhouse, work on associated long tail terms while trying to work yourself into the top 3 for the primary keyword.

[Black Hat Cat]

You've set up an unnecessary hurdle for yourself. There are 10 spots on page one, meaning you don't have "a" competitor, you have 10. How do the backlink numbers look for the other 9 spots? Could be you could easily get to number two with way less links. A lot of money can be made in the number 2 spot.

[Orlando Web Design]

Thanks for all your responses...great info..

My competitor is risecreativegroup.com keyword Orlando Web Design. I havent any idea as to the quality of their backlinks. Im pretty new to all this so I wouldn't know the difference between a good and bad link.

I suppose I will try to submit articles...I haven't tried that route yet. Anyone have some advice on the best way to accomplish article writing and submission? Is there any automated software that will do this?

Could you explain what "long tail terms" are?

[jasonmorgan]

you're a web designer, create some free wordpress themes with your link in the footer and flood the freebie market... easy backlinks

[Orlando Web Design]

Great idea Jason..!

[niac7]

Hey,

I sent you a message back.

I had a few questions for you, but I think I found the answer.

It looks like I could have you on page one in less than a day for your keyword. Possibly outranking the guy in the number one spot.

I'm sending you another message right now on how we can proceed.

[Mike Adams]

Always remember that in order to get on page one in any search engine, all you have to do is beat they guy in the 10th position. You can then work your way up from there.

[cg101]

Outsource.. find a few people that can build links for you.. better for you to try to get as many targeted links as you can.. the more targeted the better off you are.. now you can't always guarantee that links you'll get will be targeted especially if you're outsourcing but as they say the more links the better but the advice is also to make as niche related as possible too.. you don't need 64k links to beat your competitors .. you just need to diversify your link building efforts and realize that link building never stops.. stay true to the best on page and off seo that you can achieve.

Originally Posted by Orlando Web Design

Hi Fellow Warriors.

My Google competitor has 64,000 backlinks for a semi competitive keyword.

My question is, how can I compete with that?

What's the best way to create a monstrous amount of good backlinks?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

[warrich]

making a tons of backlinks not an easy task it will take many years, if your website is new and still you are making a lot of backlinks then your website might go in Google sandbox. means you will not get enough traffic so be carefull

[breakdance]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

The amount of links says nothing, I'm beating a website with over 10 million links at the moment, compared to my 800 links. Don't be scared or fooled, go for it!

Hey Franco, if you don't mind, can you share with us your *method's* for beating out that "1,000,000+" backlinked site?

[Mike Anthony]

You could beat that but as others have pointed out there are other search terms you could throw that effort into and see greater rewards especially since you say that that is just a "semi" competitive term. Look to those instead.

[InternetMarketingIQ]

Quality before quantity. Google looks at a lot more than just links. This is why you can see new sites ranking well along with old sites.

You can get the most links the fastest by creating something so valuable that communities of people bookmark it and link to it on their own.

For example: I had an article on one of my sites get referenced and linked to by a major newspaper. That was several years ago and I still get traffic from that archived article today and ...

Well you know the point... get the quality links, make killer content, and cash in.

[niac7]

Great News!

We were able to get one "Orlando's" websites from his signature to the first page of Google for it's keyword.

Orlando's business seems to be more specific to a region, so the strategy for Ranking is different than others that are looking for National or Global exposure.

[Ken Durham]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

The amount of links says nothing, I'm beating a website with over 10 million links at the moment, compared to my 800 links. Don't be scared or fooled, go for it!

I can certainly relate to this!
Very few of my top competitors have under 1,000,000 backlinks but I often beat them out........except one that does deserve the top spot.

I find that many of the big names get so involved in their day to day business that they often neglect their SEO tasks and allow holes to be opened up that you can take advantage of. I have seen top sites with code so filled with errors I highly doubt search spiders make it very far when crawling. Some of these sites may have a thousand coding errors on a single page.
They also do a half a**ed attempt at SEO and seem to be more concerned with their Branding.

So there is always hope though it may take a lot of work. But the rewards can be very good.

[Cristian Lungu]

You'll have a lot of work on your hands. Just focus on getting near him. First position doesn't necessarily mean high click-thru rate. Get your site in the top 5 and you'll share a good portion of the other's traffic.

As far as the "how", build only quality backlinks. Don't go after the number. And if your site is fairly young don't hurry on building links if you're not capable to sustain this practice long term (as the only method to dig yourself out of G sandbox -which is very likely to happen if you get aggressive).

[Davioli]

I think alot of people are missing the point. If you see his website(as listed in his signature) .. there is very little ON Page SEO done to it.
There is hardly any content there for search engines to actually index. I would aim for atleast 500 to a thousand words of content on that first page to be able to rank on the first page for the term.

[niac7]

Originally Posted by niac7

Great News!

We were able to get one "Orlando's" websites from his signature to the first page of Google for it's keyword.

Orlando's business seems to be more specific to a region, so the strategy for Ranking is different than others that are looking for National or Global exposure.

Originally Posted by Davioli

I think alot of people are missing the point. If you see his website(as listed in his signature) .. there is very little ON Page SEO done to it.
There is hardly any content there for search engines to actually index. I would aim for atleast 500 to a thousand words of content on that first page to be able to rank on the first page for the term.

Good point, but as I mentioned in a previous post, his strategy will be different since he is targeting local traffic.

We could get him on page one in a matter of hours no matter how much content he had. Hell, we could get him on page one with no website at all. LOL

Some websites have different needs and you have to adjust your ranking strategy accordingly.

We got his other site on page one in less than an hour.

My main concern is that the choice of keywords may not have enough volume to make a front page listing worth anything.

Heck, my site AmazonianDeals.com ranks number one for the term Amazonian Deals..LOL, but guess how much volume that search phrase gets.

[palobrian]

I would agree with a lot of the others, you should analyze his backlinks and probably go for long tail phrases!

Either way it is going to take you some time.

[jkovats]

I know of someone who has a highly competitive search term. He had several hundred back links, his competitor in #2, had 1. He changed something on his site, ie removed a PR 5 back link, and he dropped to number 2, she with her one link, went to number 1. Don't get distracted by the competition's numbers, they don't mean a thing.

[faizaali]

64000 back links great job your competitor work hard you can also get a huge amount by hard work. well i think 30% of backlinks will be not useful and he did not done it manually.

[askloz]

Simple.

I can guarantee you that all those backlinks do not contain the phrase they are aiming for, and the title tag and onpage factors where these links come from don't contain those keyword phrases.

just focus on getting those types of links and you'll have a higher relevancy rate to rank you higher

Originally Posted by Orlando Web Design

Hi Fellow Warriors.

My Google competitor has 64,000 backlinks for a semi competitive keyword.

My question is, how can I compete with that?

What's the best way to create a monstrous amount of good backlinks?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

[reapr]

Originally Posted by Orlando Web Design

Hi Fellow Warriors.

My Google competitor has 64,000 backlinks for a semi competitive keyword.

My question is, how can I compete with that?

What's the best way to create a monstrous amount of good backlinks?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Your making this tougher than what it is.

You are only competing for page one or 10 spots.

For all we know those backlink anchor test may all say "click here" so what you need to find out and there are tools out there will tell you is how many backlinks have the anchor you are competing against and what PR they have ... that is a very important factor for deciding to go for the kill.

I have several sites that fit the criteria you mention. One example is PR3 with only 600 backlinks going up against PR4-6 that have over 10,000 backlinks in a very competitive niche. I was sitting on page 8 until I used the above strategy and once I outnumbered them for the targeted keyword and PR they had I have been on page one for over 7 months from position 3-9. It took me about 3 weeks to move up to page one after and extensive week of linkbuilding using articles and social bookmarking. As of this week I have decided to throw up about 3 videos to the various video directories to strengthen the site but it is pretty solid as we speak.

I must say there are some very competitive niches I will not touch because the top ten sites are too competitive or have some ultra authority on them.

Ideally you want your main keyword in your description, title tag and URL if possible that is a big boost. I just have to mention even though it is basic SEO that because even on competitive words I have seen people leave out a title tag ... and it always amazes me how much easier it makes my job targeting their site. For keyword density I usually start with about 2 % but when I go for page one I like to see what they are all averaging ... for some competitive keywords I have seen it up as high as 9%.