ANyone having much luck with Angela's Dec packet?

[nofearman]

ANyone having much luck with Angela's Dec packet?

I am onthe second PDF and only ONE backlnk created so far. Either registration already removed on some, requires Admin approval (which means forget it), or one site totally locked up.

[mrizos]

I gave up after about 20 minutes...waste-o-time now.

[crmb]

I usually do last months links this month. If you try to do her current packet the day she sends them out, half of them are already closed/blocked or have the admin looking for specific types of registrations.

[AvidAZ]

Yeah. I agree. Instead of buying this, why don't you just search for the existing links that have stuck for other people and link there?

[RichardIC]

I don't think Angela pack is waste of time. I have someone who is doing the same for me. I am getting good results. After the links are placed, it is taking 2-3 weeks to see the results.

[jasonmorgan]

I don't think Angela pack is waste of time. I have someone who is doing the same for me. I am getting good results. After the links are placed, it is taking 2-3 weeks to see the results.

you missed the point.

he is having problems with the december packet. that many of the sites in the december packet have caught on and are closing accounts or not allowing new accounts to be created.

I think part of the problem you are having is that the people buying her packets are the last in line to get her links.

Many people are using different methods to find all of her backlinks months before they ever show up in a packet. Many of these sites, especially if they are any good have already been hit hard.

[TomBond]

I must admit that I'm very disappointed with Decembers packets, the worst yet in my opinion. Can anyone recommend a backlink packet service that keeps a close eye on subscriber numbers and what those subscribers get up to

[TrafficMystic]

to be honest I found it works better (like crb) to used angelas packets between 1-2 month later when signups have been re-enabled and they aren't looking for the people signing up for links.

[MarkAse]

The December packet does have some issues. Frankly I had found of these myself and I was cringing when I saw them show up in her packet, I don't want to lose those profile links that have been there a few months.

Although I do try and add the links the day I receive the packet, I keep fairly detailed records of what I've done. If you're patient and go back in 30/60 days you can typically sign up new accounts and leave your links without an issue.

It does make me wonder how many monthly subscribers she has though.

[edgray]

I had only 2 problems with the December packet, the rest were fine... I'm just testing this system out at the moment, quite skeptical of the results...

I think TrafficMystic has a good idea there.

[Bishop81]

It takes me about 6 months to get around to placing my links with her packets, so I usually do ok by then.

I do, however, also figure out which types of sites she uses and find several of my own to post to as well. Her packet makes for a good way to learn how to do it yourself...

[chamie]

it seems a lot of people buy into angela's backlinks huh...

nice...

[belgirl]

I have also had problems with December's backlinks...

[2d0k]

Angela's list of websites could have been saturated with lots of profile links created by her subscribers that webmaster notice this and then put a stop to registration and/or not allowing leaving of profile links and blogger comments anymore..

I hope she now limits her subscribers so as not to let her packets be abused by spamming..

[sjedwardz]

I also do last months this month as it lets the frenzy of new accounts die right down.
Some of her sites also let you put quite a bit of bio text in. For these I've written a longish bio with some anchor text urls spread through it in Magic artcile rewriter. I then spin a new one out so each bio has text relevant to my niche. This helps the search engines realise what the page is about rather than just 4 urls and nothing else!

Also I put in a picture and some location details as well. If you do it right you sort of get a hubpage or squidoo page.

[zcx]

Not much luck at all here ... I'll definitely try the tactic of waiting a month or so to try the links from a given packet.

[101millionAds]

I have just finished the December links and 85% of the links worked fine.
The rest was blocked/closed.
I bought some of her earlier packages Sept/Okt and 50% of the links where impossible to register.
So i will not recommend waiting to long before using the links MAX 1 month.

Annette.

[Oling]

I have not use the Dec. Pack but I hope it's gonna work!

there are two .edu as bonus and hope this are working... how does the tow .edu work?

Thanks
Oling

[Beldin]

Originally Posted by sjedwardz

For these I've written a longish bio with some anchor text urls spread through it in Magic artcile rewriter. I then spin a new one out so each bio has text relevant to my niche. This helps the search engines realise what the page is about rather than just 4 urls and nothing else!

Sounds like a great idea.

Purhaps the links should be distributed out to people throughout the month instead of all at once.

Another "trick" is to just create the account, add in some personal details to make it look like you really want an account to use and then wait a couple of weeks before adding your links in. This would also help you get registrered in any sites that require approval.

Beldin

[mandela10]

Angela's backlinks have worked great for me, I have been using them for all my sites and they all rank well now.

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by AvidAZ

Yeah. I agree. Instead of buying this, why don't you just search for the existing links that have stuck for other people and link there?

WHAT in the world does that mean? Makes no sense at all. ???

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

you missed the point.

he is having problems with the december packet. that many of the sites in the december packet have caught on and are closing accounts or not allowing new accounts to be created.

I think part of the problem you are having is that the people buying her packets are the last in line to get her links.

Many people are using different methods to find all of her backlinks months before they ever show up in a packet. Many of these sites, especially if they are any good have already been hit hard.

"Many people are using different methods to find all of her backlinks months before they ever show up in a packet" , That's a nice broad statement but do you have any idea to back up this claim? How would someone know Angela's packet before it was released? ESP?

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by Bishop81

It takes me about 6 months to get around to placing my links with her packets, so I usually do ok by then.

I do, however, also figure out which types of sites she uses and find several of my own to post to as well. Her packet makes for a good way to learn how to do it yourself...

Yes there are a number of linnk finding tools . Which ones have you had success with?

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by mandela10

Angela's backlinks have worked great for me, I have been using them for all my sites and they all rank well now.

Yes, they work, but just didn;t have mch luck with first 15 or so backlinks. A number of good ideas here.

[jasonmorgan]

"Many people are using different methods to find all of her backlinks months before they ever show up in a packet" , That's a nice broad statement but do you have any idea to back up this claim? How would someone know Angela's packet before it was released? ESP?

While I have no idea what sites are in her past packets, I can make a good guess by simply reverse engineering your backlinks or anybody else who has used her backlink packs.

When you see the exact same profile sites used over and over again by a large number of people who have admitted to using her packets it's not hard to figure out.

For figuring out what sites are probably going to show up in her future packets all I have to do is look at the backlinks she uses herself on her own sites. If they aren't already in a pack they will be in one eventually.

Bottom line is if you know how to use google, can manage some basic detective work and reverse engineering you can dig up this information.

People have been doing this for a long long time now. It's not a secret and it's nothing new. Same concepts as duplicating a competitors backlinks only in this case your grabbing backlinks from a backlink seller.

As far as backing up the claim... well, I have a list of somewhere near a thousand backlinks that I accumulated following her tracks. Could have been more but I got bored.

[Fraggler]

If you are into reverse engineering then follow the pharma... crowd. You can find profile pages that google is showing some love to very easiliy

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

While I have no idea what sites are in her past packets, I can make a good guess by simply reverse engineering your backlinks or anybody else who has used her backlink packs.

When you see the exact same profile sites used over and over again by a large number of people who have admitted to using her packets it's not hard to figure out.

For figuring out what sites are probably going to show up in her future packets all I have to do is look at the backlinks she uses herself on her own sites. If they aren't already in a pack they will be in one eventually.

Bottom line is if you know how to use google, can manage some basic detective work and reverse engineering you can dig up this information.

People have been doing this for a long long time now. It's not a secret and it's nothing new. Same concepts as duplicating a competitors backlinks only in this case your grabbing backlinks from a backlink seller.

As far as backing up the claim... well, I have a list of somewhere near a thousand backlinks that I accumulated following her tracks. Could have been more but I got bored.

"For figuring out what sites are probably going to show up in her future packets all I have to do is look at the backlinks she uses herself on her own sites. If they aren't already in a pack they will be in one eventually."

That's a good point. Thanks

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by Fraggler

If you are into reverse engineering then follow the pharma... crowd. You can find profile pages that google is showing some love to very easiliy

Ok, I'm a little slow. How can you "follow the pharma... crowd. " or "find profile pages that google is showing some love to very easiliy " ?

[JSallen09]

The december packets will probably go down to 0! Waste of time using it.

[dmac3296]

I had a little trouble with the packet and one of the EDU sites didnt work properly.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Fraggler

If you are into reverse engineering then follow the pharma... crowd. You can find profile pages that google is showing some love to very easiliy

great post.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by nofearman

Ok, I'm a little slow. How can you "follow the pharma... crowd. " or "find profile pages that google is showing some love to very easiliy " ?

by using a backlink checker. Every site owner should learn how to use at least one ( in fact more than one).

[DeniseLorraine]

I"d like to hear what Angela has to say about all of this.

Denise

[jasonmorgan]

Ok, I'm a little slow. How can you "follow the pharma... crowd. " or "find profile pages that google is showing some love to very easiliy " ?

Same concepts as I brought up before following Angelas footsteps only using a different site for your leads. The pharma crowd = viagra and similar items. It's essentially finding sites that are doing what you are doing and are good at it. Let those guys do the hard part and then follow their leads.

There are different tools that will give different results and information from backlinkwatch.com to something llike SEO Spy Glass. It does take some time and a willingness to pull up your sleeves and do the groundwork but by using these different methods you can dig into what is making a site tick. From digging up profile backlinks to high PR dofollow blog pages they have commented on, if the SE's have found it, so can you. If the backlinks are working for them they should work for you as well.

The beauty of doing all of this for yourself is over time you're going to build up your own list of sites that work. You can also do your own research to find sites that aren't on any lists and aren't being overused by thousands of webmasters.

I"d like to hear what Angela has to say about all of this.

Lemme, guess... not going to like it? Disagree with everything negative?

Do you believe everything a used car salesman says, 'sure, the car is like new and runs great!'

There is no doubt that these types of backlinks worked great in the past and for the moment still work reasonably well but the golden days are over and webmastes are catching on.

These people aren't stupid and we've already seen the entire kickapps platform closed down and made nofollow and many sites do not allow visitors to view profile pages anymore. How long before expression engine, vbulletin or another platform add a nofollow to the code and kill those platforms as well. It's not really a matter of if, it's when.

[Angela V. Edwards]

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Originally Posted by DeniseLorraine

I"d like to hear what Angela has to say about all of this.

Denise

This will be my only post on this thread.

First of all, the backlinks sometimes take months to show up in backlink checkers. By then, if the sites weren't in a packet, there is probably a reason for this. Not all of my backlinks have been or will be in packets; I do a TON of "testing" while finding links. Many sites are rejected for packets.

Second, part of the service I do is to show people HOW to get links on the sites; some sites are very easy and other sites take a bit of time to figure out. Back before I started doing step-by-step instructions, a good percentage of the folks who got my guide couldn't figure them out at all just from the written directions.

People often say that 50%, 80% etc of the sites in the packet don't work. However this is almost ALWAYS an exaggeration. 50% would be a full 15 sites that don't work and 80% would be a full 24 sites that don't work. Considering the fact that most people have been able to do just fine with this packet, I seriously doubt that all but 6 sites have closed off registrations. My own outsourcer says that sometimes it takes more than one try for a site; it's often just a glitch.

I have a list of about 3 million that around 50% so far are working.

I really don't see the difference of 50% of 30 or 50% of 3 million that someone found themselves. 50% is 50% and if that's the reason you don't want to use my packets, how is 50% of your sites not working any better than 50% of MY sites working (if that were the case, which it's not)? Besides, Google may show you 3 million sites in your search query, but you will NOT be able to access all 3 million sites from Google's index. So you actually have quite a few FEWER than 3 million sites that are usable to you; besides, how is wading through hundreds and hundreds of low or no Page Rank sites in a search query of a particular platform a more beneficial use of your time than simply using the sites in the packet that are available? At least with those, you guarantee a PR 6 and above for the sites you get. Even "reverse engineering" someone's site is a time consuming process without guaranteed results, as we are not able to get links on ALL the sites someone else's site got links on; not all the sites are open to the "public". Spend a bit of time doing both of these activities for a while and see if you don't realize that paying someone a few dollars a month for sites that someone has already done all this work to find is a bit better use of your time. Most marketers don't have unlimited hours to spend wading through search queries of millions of largely low or 0 Page Rank sites or testing thousands of backlinks that other sites have, to see which ones are High enough Page Rank and are available to everyone. My product is actually a service I do for marketers which saves them countless hours, as opposed to being simply a "packet of links".


Not all site owners hate traffic; even if people are putting links in the very spots the sites have designed for the links. So the fact that a lot of people are going to the sites is in no way going to close down all the sites. Think about it; would YOU shut off the capability for a bunch of traffic to YOUR site, if people were using it the way you've set it up to be used?? Why would you do something like this? A BUNCH of the sites have a spot for people to set up their anchor text links; that's the way the software is designed. So I don't really see the issue with the site getting a bunch of traffic from folks using the site the way it's designed. Plenty of subscribers have found sites in the packets that they intend to continue to participate on, so the argument that all marketers are ignoring everything on a site but their link does not hold water.


My links don't all come from the same platform. Over the months, the links have come from many different types of sites and many different platforms. There's no way that people would lose ALL their links, even if one of the platforms went "no follow", and there's no way to find out how to get ALL of these types of links simply by looking at my packets.


The last point is that anyone who's been around a while before people like me and Paul made backlinking easy remembers that in order to get a good backlink, you either had to "rent" one for BIG BUCKS on someone's site, or you had to comment on a bunch of low PR blogs or forums. For $5 a month, it's still a great deal even if some of the sites don't work.

[tjcocker]

Completely agree with JasonMorgan as usual.

If you're buying packets of links and you're not teaching yourself how to find them yourself, you've completely missed the point of your job. Anyone can find anyone else's links, and people are finding all of Angela's before she releases them in a packet. This is just one type of link, and it's slowly becoming harder to get and/or worthless due to abuse. Buying links is pointless in my opinion. All it takes is about an hour or so of research and you'll be able to find millions of your own links. I have a list of about 3 million that around 50% so far are working. Not all of them are spammed out so I'll keep that to myself, but there's plenty for everyone if you know how to find them.

If you want to leave a profile link, first sign up and fill out all of the blanks, not just the required ones. Think of a reason why you'd want to sign up and make it believable. If you really are interested in the forum then great, it will make things easier. Once accepted don't leave a link for 1-2 weeks. When you do, don't be all spammy with 30 links in a row. Leave one or two links inside a large paragraph of related information.

Try to find a reason why you'd leave that kind of a link there, be creative. Lets say your link is about gold prices, but the forum is about baseball. Tell them how hard you've been working lately following gold prices that you've missed some games. Or, wow these gold prices are rallying like the 2005 Red Soxs or something... Seriously, it doesn't matter what the two things are, you can find a way to relate them like a real person, not a spambot. Also, hey why not leave a few posts in the forums, without links. If fewer people make it obvious, fewer webmasters will take notice and shut things down.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by tjcocker

I have a list of about 3 million that around 50% so far are working. Not all of them are spammed out so I'll keep that to myself, but there's plenty for everyone if you know how to find them.

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Well we've finally hit the million mark. We've had the 1,000, then the 40,000 so why not? Packets just get bigger and bigger and more sensational despite the impossibility of people even being able to use that many. I'll look foward to that WSO. I just want to know one thing though.

How long did it take you to check that around 50% are working?

You know theres been posts that have come up abut Angela's packets and I and others talk about how SOME get abused and overwhelmed but let me tell you what I like about Angela. Regardless of what people do with her links she always looks for quality. She doesn't just stick a whole lot of meaningless links in there for numbers. She could have easily dropped a package with a few thousand scrapes from vbulletin and raked in the money but she doesn't and I repect that.

So in fairness lets give it some balance.

You pay $5 for her packets and even if it were true that half got deleted or nofollowed. It would work out to 33 cents each. No ripoff there.

[turbohips]

Yup agreed with the more experienced guys and gals here. If you haven't learned the secret of finding your own links by using her packets, well you should change your income angle. I had her packets for roughly 3 months and then learned all I needed and now have over 500,000 sites on my own personal list to use. I could very easily get more links but that is over kill for my niche.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

For figuring out what sites are probably going to show up in her future packets all I have to do is look at the backlinks she uses herself on her own sites. If they aren't already in a pack they will be in one eventually.

I think your are underestimating her. I'm sure she doesn't use all her links on her sites. To be honest I really am not that comfortable with the reverse engineering thing. I think people need to learn to find their own backlinks not just piggyback on others. I mean you have to do that as market research for your niche but people would be surprised - I don't aim my checkers at Angela's links. Might be considered by some to be a stupid principle things but I do alright without that, sleep better knowing I am not building on someone else's work and it has its advantages in the links I find.

So I can just personally do without encouraging people to exploit her sites for all the linsk they can get without paying. Outside of that I agree with your other points entirely.

[tjcocker]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Well we've finally hit the million mark. We've had the 1,000, then the 40,000 so why not? Packets just get bigger and bigger and more sensational despite the impossibility of people even being able to use that many. I'll look foward to that WSO. I just want to know one thing though.

How long did it take you to check that around 50% are working?

You know theres been posts that have come up abut Angela's packets and I and others talk about how SOME get abused and overwhelmed but let me tell you what I like about Angela. Regardless of what people do with her links she always looks for quality. She doesn't just stick a whole lot of meaningless links in there for numbers. She could have easily dropped a package with a few thousand scrapes from vbulletin and raked in the money but she doesn't and I repect that.

So in fairness lets give it some balance.

You pay $5 for her packets and even if it were true that half got deleted or nofollowed. It would work out to 33 cents each. No ripoff there.

Lol, I did not check that they are working yet... Of the ones I've gone through, about 50% have allowed links, and the links stayed. Maybe 30%, so only a million. I'm not releasing a WSO or a packet, that's just silly. This is free research anyone can and should do that knows what to look for.

I agree her packets are great for beginners and people who don't want to delve into researching. I would definitely suggest them to those people. The price is not bad as far as some SEO things go. I just don't have money, so I'm forced to find other ways that are free. Even $5/month isn't worth it to me if I can save it all the same and do it myself. It's not rocket science.

[jasonmorgan]

I just want to clear up that I am not trying to discredit Angela or her backlink packs. I'm just pointing out a couple of reason why they may not be as effective as they once were.

Reverse engineering Angela or other backlink pack authors is a very common topic on some other forums that lean more to the dark side. Throw in the growing common knowledge amongst webmasters of how to find these types of backlinks themselves and the growing number of backlink WSO's available and it's becoming a very over saturated playing field.

The web might have an infinite number of sites but there is a limit to the number of quality or higher PR sites that can be used for backlinking purposes. I think it's safe to say that most of these sites are on somebodies list or soon will be.

Will this style of backlinking remain effective? I doubt it. The secret is out and developers as well as webmasters have caught on. I'm sure the SE's are also fully aware of what is happening and are working on a solution.

[Harlan]

Looking for someone to outsource the work too.

I subscribe to the links.

Any recommendations?

[arizona1]

I agree that reverse engineering will be more effective. Why post to the same sites everyone else is when you can find similar sites that are not getting spammed?

[industrial]

I keep hearing $5 for 30 links is a great deal and it would be if my time was worth nothing! Sure, I can outsource but nobody is going to work for free. All in all, it cost a lot more than 5 bucks to implement the process.

[industrial]

Naturally, SE's have known about forum spam for a lot time and call it what you want, but it is spam if done solely for rankings which I assume many are doing, myself included until recently. Simple solution for Google is to ignore links on forum pages that have little or no content and nothing but links.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

Reverse engineering Angela or other backlink pack authors is a very common topic on some other forums that lean more to the dark side.

Yes and if don't expose them you won't rank So its funny if you do the right thing and not expose them you can kiss getting SERP traffic goodbye.

As for over exposure of all backlinks. Not really. there are sites being born everyday but in my mind this kind of backlinking should eventually give way to completely natural backlinking. You do this to get your site up there and noticed and then your content and offer should get you natural backlinks.

[redfoxseo]

Okay after reading this post I have to chime in. Only 3 links did not work for me the rest worked fine and I just finished today. As far as reverse engineering.. I think if you want to spend hours sorting through and doing this then go for it.. For me Five bucks removes the hassle and gives me some good links every month. I can't see where the problem here is. Heck if half of them didn't work I would still pay the 5 bucks for the rest..

[tjcocker]

Originally Posted by redfoxseo

Okay after reading this post I have to chime in. Only 3 links did not work for me the rest worked fine and I just finished today. As far as reverse engineering.. I think if you want to spend hours sorting through and doing this then go for it.. For me Five bucks removes the hassle and gives me some good links every month. I can't see where the problem here is. Heck if half of them didn't work I would still pay the 5 bucks for the rest..

Because one day when Google pulls the plug on these kinds of links and they have ZERO effect, then you will have nothing. Spend an hour, not hours, just an hour, and do some research if you are really serious about this kind of work. Just an hour will open your eyes as to how simple finding profile links is. Then you're on to other types of links, etc, etc, your knowledge and business grows. I guess it's the difference between doing it half way, and being serious about making a living online.

I personally have loads of time, so I'm not paying for anything. I've been able to find every single thing I need for free somewhere.

[AnilK]

Am not finding them as effective as I would have hoped, so am going to take the advice offered here and wait a week or 2 before using the packets.

[mariahm]

I agree with everyone who says to wait a couple months after she posts new backlinks. I've been doing her older backlinks on new clients of mine and most of them are still working.