How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy

benkleiner · 12-30-2009, 02:36 PM

Hey Mike: I'd like to understand your posts, but your speech is very hard to follow!

Try to write shorter paragraphs, please.

Thank you

Mike Anthony · 12-30-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archkre

It is simpler to say: I am sorry, I don't know any tutorial on that!
And then you can follow your "essay d'elite" with the more advantaged members of this forum.
Beginners like me seem no to fit in this thread.
Thanks anyways

Plenty of newbies get a lot of information from these forums. My problem isn't with your newness its with the attitude that you can insist on help like its your right.

Be courteous to people and you will be fine, refuse and other people have the option of not helping you. Warrior Forums is an Internet marketing forum where people come to learn how to make money online. No one owes you to teach you how to make money so learn to be more gracious.

Chucky · 01-25-2010, 10:05 PM

Good one Mike. I can't give the exact example here because if I did, I would be sharing one of my most profitable niches.

I rank #2 on 1st page for a term that has over 2 million competing pages with very little effort. The reason being these 2 million pages are actually not 'competing' with you. Those pages just happen to have that phrase on their pages. As you said, it is the backlinks of the 'actual' competitors that matter.

That's where MNF and Market Samurai come in to the game!

Michi Kono · 01-25-2010, 10:26 PM

I agree 100% on that. At the end of the day, who we need to pay attention to are those who deliberately do SEO to rank high for the keyword phrases. I normally look at the top 30 to do some competition analysis to see if it's worth attacking or not.

tjcocker · 01-25-2010, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archkre

It is simpler to say: I am sorry, I don't know any tutorial on that!
And then you can follow your "essay d'elite" with the more advantaged members of this forum.
Beginners like me seem no to fit in this thread.
Thanks anyways

What a tool. If you want answers, go type them into Google and find them yourself, or spend hours reading threads like the rest of us.

Billy Rey · 01-26-2010, 01:55 AM

hard to blame them, we are all marketers at heart afterall....thats why we're here lol
great post to stand up to these people that use that marketing ploy.

maxi991 · 01-26-2010, 01:55 AM

Your basic concept is correct but kindly check those searches again, sites competing for "free garbage" in quotes is only 27,900.

If you search for broad match term -free garbage, google will display all the sites which have the term "free" and "garbage" anywhere on there page, either together or seprately.

But neverthless your basic concept is correct, that are not as many competitors as we thought they were, for any given term.

JeffLam · 01-26-2010, 05:26 AM

I agree with Mike.

That is why I always suggest a 'true competition' search.

jamessol · 01-26-2010, 06:19 AM

newbie here learning great information about garbage bags heheh!
seriously now, guess in 20M sites there will be like 5M domain duplicates or maybe more. I mean 2 pages or more were indexed from one domain...

what do you think guys?

intelinside · 01-26-2010, 08:43 AM

It's a good debate going on.

But, I think there is a twist to it.

If you search for a keyword phrase 'weight loss', google will show you 93,200,000 results but in reality it won't show you more than 1000 records!

But, that doesn't mean that you are competing against only these 1000 records. Is it?

If its a matter of showing only 1000 records then why Google indexes billions of pages everyday?

After finding the top 1000 results, google should stop indexing more pages.

What I am trying to say is that there is a 'hidden' competition going on behind the scenes and what we see on the SERPs, are actually the pages that have over-powered those 'behind the scenes' pages.

I have seen many times that a certain page which wasn't in top 1000, came from no where and got in top 10 results (as it happens to new sites mostly) so that implies that we are competing against those such pages as well which we can't see on the surface.

I am not disagreeing to the OP comment, just trying to highlight another angle

Mike Anthony · 01-27-2010, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxi991

Your basic concept is correct but kindly check those searches again, sites competing for "free garbage" in quotes is only 27,900.

HI Maxi991 - most people do not use quotes. You are only competing in search results that people actually use

Mike Anthony · 01-27-2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intelinside

After finding the top 1000 results, google should stop indexing more pages.

Hi Intelinside - It doesn't really work like that. Google does not index based on a search. The crawler is crawling through a huge chunk of the Internet reading it. That is ongoing every day, 24 -7 just following links (some more than others) and repeating crawls.

The serps come about after the fact. Think of the serps as a way of organizing the content thats been found already not as a way of finding content.

NenadR · 04-29-2010, 08:40 AM

This also squares with some of my observations. This thread has given me a lot to think about, as well as some very good tools to use. Thanks all!

anwar001 · 05-10-2010, 06:46 AM

Thanks for clarifying the matter for us. You have used some interesting and funny examples like - "give him cancer" to drive home the point, lol... That was a good and creative way of clarifying!

12-30-2009, 02:36 PM	#51
benkleiner HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 159 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy Hey Mike: I'd like to understand your posts, but your speech is very hard to follow! Try to write shorter paragraphs, please. Thank you

01-25-2010, 10:05 PM	#53
Chucky Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Illinois, USA Posts: 911 Thanks: 234 Thanked 496 Times in 137 Posts	Re: How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy Good one Mike. I can't give the exact example here because if I did, I would be sharing one of my most profitable niches. I rank #2 on 1st page for a term that has over 2 million competing pages with very little effort. The reason being these 2 million pages are actually not 'competing' with you. Those pages just happen to have that phrase on their pages. As you said, it is the backlinks of the 'actual' competitors that matter. That's where MNF and Market Samurai come in to the game!
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01-25-2010, 10:26 PM	#54
Michi Kono Silent Samurai Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 169 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 8 Thanked 24 Times in 16 Posts Contact Info	Re: How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy I agree 100% on that. At the end of the day, who we need to pay attention to are those who deliberately do SEO to rank high for the keyword phrases. I normally look at the top 30 to do some competition analysis to see if it's worth attacking or not.

01-26-2010, 01:55 AM	#56
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maxi991 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: , , . Posts: 35 Thanks: 9 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy Your basic concept is correct but kindly check those searches again, sites competing for "free garbage" in quotes is only 27,900. If you search for broad match term -free garbage, google will display all the sites which have the term "free" and "garbage" anywhere on there page, either together or seprately. But neverthless your basic concept is correct, that are not as many competitors as we thought they were, for any given term.

01-26-2010, 05:26 AM	#58
JeffLam Entrepreneur War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 573 Thanks: 128 Thanked 53 Times in 44 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy I agree with Mike. That is why I always suggest a 'true competition' search.
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01-26-2010, 08:43 AM	#60
intelinside HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: London Posts: 340 Thanks: 16 Thanked 27 Times in 20 Posts	Re: How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy It's a good debate going on. But, I think there is a twist to it. If you search for a keyword phrase 'weight loss', google will show you 93,200,000 results but in reality it won't show you more than 1000 records! But, that doesn't mean that you are competing against only these 1000 records. Is it? If its a matter of showing only 1000 records then why Google indexes billions of pages everyday? After finding the top 1000 results, google should stop indexing more pages. What I am trying to say is that there is a 'hidden' competition going on behind the scenes and what we see on the SERPs, are actually the pages that have over-powered those 'behind the scenes' pages. I have seen many times that a certain page which wasn't in top 1000, came from no where and got in top 10 results (as it happens to new sites mostly) so that implies that we are competing against those such pages as well which we can't see on the surface. I am not disagreeing to the OP comment, just trying to highlight another angle

04-29-2010, 08:40 AM	#63
NenadR Master of All I Survey Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 51 Thanks: 37 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking	Re: How can I compete against 10 million other pages? Easy This also squares with some of my observations. This thread has given me a lot to think about, as well as some very good tools to use. Thanks all!

05-10-2010, 06:46 AM	#64
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