Good idea to create a blog where I talk about what I am doing for quick indexing and backlink value?

[carlos123]

As I continue to build and work on Adsense web sites I notice that sometimes my sites or changes I make to them are not picked up by Google as quickly as I might like them to be. Not just for initial indexing but also not picking up changes to articles I might make at my sites as quickly as I might like.

I have been thinking that it might be good for me to create a blog where I include links to my web sites within it and talk in general about what I am doing sufficiently to actually create an interesting blog that might rank better than it would otherwise.

I could blog about current rankings, what I am doing to improve those rankings, how well my efforts are panning out, lessons I have learned, all kinds of things. I don't want to give away everything all in one sitting so to speak. Just blog enough to make the blog interesting.

It would seem that if my blog gets indexed faster than my sites might that including links to my sites within my blog will ultimately provide me with the benefit of faster indexing as well as more natural backlinks than writing articles might give me.

There is some risk in doing this.

Fellow Adsense publishers could find my blog, see most of my site URL's that I am working on (not all will be included...only those that are not being indexed quickly enough for me), piggy back off my laborious keyword research, and compete with me (I don't mind that too much as I am, all modesty aside, better than most that might come up against me not only in writing but in effecively implementing SEO at my sites...heck I've even created my own CMS system to create sites and otherwise work with them myself).

Other than that I suppose one could also take the Adsense code off one of my sites and put it on a pornography site to try and get me into trouble with Google too but that is offset by being able to limit which pages are authorized to have Adsense under my Adsense acccout so that's not too much of a concern.

The only other concern is that someone could end up trying to click bomb me out of Google.

But it seems that the benefits to be gained by blogging about my actual sites outweighs the risks?

Of course people are not super secretive about their Adsense url's for nothing here so this post is also one where I hope to gain some further insight on generally why it might be best to keep our url's secret.

I wouldn't for example ever put a link to my blog here. My fellow internet marketer types here would eat me alive LOL.

My goal is not to make it easy for competitors to find me (though I may be found anyway) but rather to derive great benefit from the incoming links to my site off a quickly indexed blog.

The other thing I could do which might give me the benefits with less of the risk is to create a password protected blog that I allow Adsense through to (I can apparently do that through my Adsense account). That way Google and it's bots will get in but only people I allow in explicitly will see the actual blog. Benefits to indexing without much risk?

Thoughts on any of the above would be appreciated as to whether this is good or not or otherwise.

Thanks.

Carlos

[jasonmorgan]

Your idea is a good one but I think you are making it overly complicated for what you want that site to accomplish.

If I get what you are saying, you want to create a website that links to your money making websites. When you create a new site or makes changes to a site it's an additional road for the SE bots to find them.

I use a couple of similar method myself for driving SE bots to my backlinks.

On of them are my dummy blogs.

The basic set up of my dummy blogs is using a static page as the index page with no sales ads or anything of that nature on it. It's a simple honest personal blog page that nobody would confuse as a sales blog or having anything to do with internet marketing.

The theme I am using has no sidebars but has footer widgets. I have one widget for recent posts and one for the archives.

When I create new backlinks I write a new post with some garbage text about the weather or whatever and I add links to those backlinks in the post.

Since the blog is set to only show my simple personal blog page nobody will ever see any of these posts that I write unless they happen to scroll down to the bottom of the page and follow the recent posts links... typically, the content of the blog is so lame that nobody ever does, But, SE bots do follow these links to each of my blog posts and in turn follow the links to my backlinks.

Why is this method really cool?

Because my dummy blogs are so innocent I can blog comment in places that most IMers can't and since I'm only adding a link to what appears to be a personal blog mods don't delete my comments. Because of this it's fairly easy to build up authority and PR because you can comment on all of the really juicy but moderated blogs.

For these dummy blogs I don't care about keywords. The whole goal is to build up authority to pass along to my backlinks and creating a road to make sure SE bots find all of my backlinks.

The end result is I've created a launching pad that SE bots trust and like to visit that leads to all of my backlinks. My backlinks are benefiting from having quality backlinks themselves which increases their authority and value as backlinks for my money sites.

Maybe some of that makes sense.

Or in other words, create a personal page like you're thinking but don't include any ads or adsense stuff. Keep it simple and use it as a gateway to boost your money sites and use your money sites to make money. Different sites for different goals.

[carlos123]

Thanks very much for the input Jason. Pretty much what I had in mind.

I mentioned adding Adsense to my blog only as a way to limit access to fellow Adsensers through a login page but where Google's bot would still be given access by my giving it login credentials through my Adsense account.

But I like your simpler approach. I will study your post a litte more closely later today.

I like the idea of having my own SEO juggernaut to use in having Google more readily and more quickly recognize my sites and or changes to them rather than going through the hassle of using Ezine and other such techniques. I like the fact I can change things at will on own blog without having to wait for the powers that be at places like Ezine to approve every little change or limiting what and when I can change things.

Thanks again Jason!

Carlos

[carlos123]

Alrighty then....settling in for some good discussion on SEO topics ... Let me see if I understand you correctly Jason....

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

If I get what you are saying, you want to create a website that links to your money making websites. When you create a new site or makes changes to a site it's an additional road for the SE bots to find them.

Exactly.

The basic set up of my dummy blogs is using a static page as the index page with no sales ads or anything of that nature on it. It's a simple honest personal blog page that nobody would confuse as a sales blog or having anything to do with internet marketing.

Hmm...let's say that you create an Adsense site about...let's see...black tuxedos. Do you mean that on your dummy blog you blog about how your dog ran out of the house and dug a hole while mentioning that you were on your way to get a black tuxedo type of thing? Or do you just stick to the story about your dog in the main body of your blog post?

When I create new backlinks I write a new post with some garbage text about the weather or whatever and I add links to those backlinks in the post.

Can you give us an example of a garbage sentence with a link to your money-making site in it?

Since the blog is set to only show my simple personal blog page nobody will ever see any of these posts that I write unless they happen to scroll down to the bottom of the page and follow the recent posts links...

So unlike most blogs that I know...your most recent posts are buried deep down your blog at the bottom of the page instead of at the top. Is that right? Or they buried even deeper than that? Like off on some other page that can only be gotten to by following a link to your most recent posts?

...typically, the content of the blog is so lame that nobody ever does, But, SE bots do follow these links to each of my blog posts and in turn follow the links to my backlinks.

What do you mean by "follow the links to my backlinks"? I am a tad confused about what you are calling a link and a backlink Jason. Isn't a link to your money-making sites from your blog a backlink? If so..what are you refering to when you say "links"?

Because my dummy blogs are so innocent I can blog comment in places that most IMers can't...

Hmm...I am not familiar with such places. Can you give an example of the kind of place where IMers can't blog? Are you refering to blogs that can be started at various forums like city-data (a high traffic, high visibility forum that is absolutely paranoid about spammers and self-promoters)?

For these dummy blogs I don't care about keywords. The whole goal is to build up authority to pass along to my backlinks and creating a road to make sure SE bots find all of my backlinks.

Again...I am confused by what you refer to as backlinks. You mean links from your blog to your money-making sites? Do you create a dummy blog per money-making site or do you just create dummy blogs that may point to various money-making sites (the idea I was toying with)? Feel free to ignore these questions Jason or to discuss them through PM with me if you like but any further input you might care to share would be most appreciated. Thanks. Carlos

[jasonmorgan]

To clear up some of your confusion,

You can use these types of sites to link directly to your money sites, which I do but I also use them to boost the authority of and ensure that SE spiders find my backlinks to my money sites... for example, lets say you buy one of angelas packs of 30 backlinks. I would link to all 30 of those backlinks in one of my blog posts.

To get a better idea of how the dummy sites are set-up...

here is an example

The index page is a static page. It never changes. At first glance, the site looks like a lame site about dystopian societies and there isn't anything to tip off anyone that it's really a feeder site.

Scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll see the recent posts and archives links. Most readers and especially mods aren't going to bother with following these links but the SE spiders will. So my posts where I am stuffing my links are nicely hidden away from most viewers.

I'm not currently using this site so there isn't much here but eventually you'd see a long list of posts. In each one of those posts I'll write about some random stuff and add in my links. The sample post only has a single link but I think you get the idea.

Everytime I create more (profile) backlinks to my money sites I'll write a new post and add links to those (profile) backlink pages in the post.

It's essentially creating your own sites to use as backlink sources. Why spam 100 blogs when you can create 100 of your own blogs. There are a gazillion ways to use them.

The most important part is developing these dummy sites so they really pack a punch.

Target some blogs that have high page rank and authority and start leaving links to your dummy blogs.

Since you're not leaving spam or links to obvious IM sites the chances are a lot higher that the mods won't delete your comments. Over time you'll have a bunch of dummy blogs that have some page rank of their own to use as a reliable source for backlinks.

Once you've built up that authority and page rank, the SE spiders are going to crawl your dummy blog on a regular basis and they will find and follow all of the links you've added on that site... which is what you wanted to accomplish with your original post.

[carlos123]

Very interesting Jason.

That's definitely the kind of thing I had in mind.

Do you use anchor text to your money sites that is relevant to the topic of your money sites?

Do your dummy blog posts ever talk about what your money sites talk about or is the blog post subject usually unrelated to the money site topic?

I like the idea of a whole slew of such dummy blogs to link out to your own Adsense or other money sites to build backlink value. Through your own network of sites.

The only difference between what I had in mind and what you apparently do is that I would use just one or maybe two different blogs where I would actually work in a properly anchored text link to my money sites into the text of the blog post itself.

In other words if I had an Adsense site about black tuxedos I would indeed work black tuxedos into my blog post somehow and link out to it.

Or...in line with what I initially thought of I would have a blog about how I am doing with Adsense and link out to my black tuxedo site where I would talk about how Adsense is doing at this site in my blog post. That type of thing.

I'll think about how I want to approach this some more before I actually do something with it.

I can have unrelated links out to my money sites at the bottom of my blog(s) like you seem to have.

I can insert text links anchored to the topic of my money sites within the blog posts themselves (though this may be more obvertly detected and seen to be self-promotion).

I can write about my Adsense attempts and how successful they are being.

All kinds of different angles to this of course.

I think I -will- try to blog in a way that is interesting and valuable in itself at least a bit so my efforts are not too superficial but essentially I will use such blogs to get some link juice going for my money sites.

I like your low key approach. Unlikely to cause you a problem with competitors or others coming along and doing you harm in some way. The more boring the blog post the better I guess LOL.

Thanks for the added insight Jason. Much appreciated.

Carlos

[jasonmorgan]

Do you use anchor text to your money sites that is relevant to the topic of your money sites?

Yes. If they dummy site is linking to a money site then I do use proper anchor text SEO

Do your dummy blog posts ever talk about what your money sites talk about or is the blog post subject usually unrelated to the money site topic?

Typically it's unrelated or slightly related. I'm not really using these sites to promote anything or make sales, they are backlink mules so I'm not overly concerned about the content or quality.

The only difference between what I had in mind and what you apparently do is that I would use just one or maybe two different blogs where I would actually work in a properly anchored text link to my money sites into the text of the blog post itself.

In other words if I had an Adsense site about black tuxedos I would indeed work black tuxedos into my blog post somehow and link out to it.

Absolutely nothing wrong with doing it this way, it's probably the best way to do it when you are linking directly to your money site.

This is just another way of building diversity into your backlink portfolio and these are sites you control. The possibilities are nearly endless in the ways you can take advantage of them.

I think you are on the right track with what you want to do.

The only problem with this whole scheme is if you want to build up your feeder or dummy sites it's difficult since so many mods are spam shell-shocked and won't hesitate to click 'spam' on anything that doesn't look right.

That's why I try to keep these sites as neutral and innocent looking as I can. If I can't boost up the authority of my dummy blogs then they aren't very helpful or doing their job very well of pushing SE bots in the direction I want.

[carlos123]

I was looking at blogger tonight some and I think I will just register my own domain to use for blogging. Places like blooger and ezine and all the other places I know on the net have all kinds of rules about what one can do and not do. I am tired of all the rules and want a bit more freedom. Something that only my own domains will give me.

Jason if I could ask you a follow up question...do you think it would be bad for me to give away all my Adsense url's or at least to mention them through a blog?

Do you see any risk or downside to that? I mean realistically?

Every Adsense person I know keeps their url's ultra secret but quite frankly I am not sure why.

I mean if we are all doing things in a way that Google would not object to what is the big deal about keeping them secret. Competition will be there for us no matter what niche we go into.

I see Adsense sites all the time and could compete with a bunch but it's not worth it for me to do so when there are seemingly so many niches that are more or less wide open. If I see a really good Adsense site up in the top spots of a niche I am looking at...generally I just keep looking. Why bother to compete when there are other niches where there may be really poor Adsense sites in play or none at all.

So competitive wise...when push comes to shove...who cares? No matter what I do I will end up bumping against competition so that's not a valid enough reason to hide my Adsense url's.

People can click bomb my account to try and knock me off Google. A valid concern but one which I am not sure happens often enough to be all concerned about.

People can put my Adsense code on porno sites and try to knock me out that way but that one is easy to protect against by indicating through my Adsense account the exact pages that my Adsense account should appear on.

I guess what I am saying is that I don't quite understand the logic of keeping everything so secret? Why shouldn't I point out my url's in a blog? I am not sure there are any reasons to not do so.

Can you think of any reasons Jason? Do you know why Adsense publishers are so prone to being so secretative?

I am asking you but also asking in general so if anyone else has any thoughts on this please pipe up and share them.

You know on another train of thought I was writing some ezine articles for a client of mine and began to wonder about the whole ezine thing as an effective means of getting backlinks. Internet marketers swear up and down about using ezine and I suppose it's good in some respects but when push comes to shove what we are mainly doing by writing ezine articles is helping ezine! I mean we slave on our articles and post them there and what do we get in return? A wee bit of traffic. A real itty bit when compared to the tons that ezine gets out of our free effort.

I mean if an article gets a thousand views at ezine and we have an ezine CTR of 10% which I understand is quite good only 100 people will come thorough to our site. But to get those hundred we must do things ezine's way (more restrictive rules).

Seems a lot more efficient and worthwhile in the long run to set up our own ezine and create a web site to imitate and beat ezine at their own game. I mean a site where we write articles (i.e. create blog posts) to drive traffic and get backlinks to our own sites more directly.

Ironically what ezine does is exactly what we should all be imitating and doing for ourselves through our own domain(s). Instead we just give ezine free work and let them derive tons of benefit from our work and we think it grand when ezine gives us in return the little drip of traffic we get in comparison.

It's funny actually though quite ridiculous too I think. Makes me wonder what in the world has gotten into the head of internet marketers. That we think ezine is so great when in fact we are being stripped of benefit to ourselves that we could have by doing the ezine thing at our own site(s) and driving traffic to ourselves more directly through our own set of blogs or article sites.

Instead we cow tow and cater to ezine's rules and bloggers rules and anyone else's rules who says what we can and cannot do simply because we think we have to in order to be successful online.

I will be creating my own ezine site where I will write articles in whatever way I want putting whatever I want into my own resource boxes and otherwise doing whatever I want through that site to generate more backlinks and traffic for my money making sites.

My only concern is making my Adsense links so publicly avaiable to anyone who finds my site (or blog(s)). But then again, like I said, I am not sure my concern is warranted. Mostly I think there must be some valid concerns to be concerned about since every Adsense publisher keeps their url's so secret though I can't quite put my finger on what those valid concerns might be.

I mean it's easy enough to go to ezine, look up an author who is writing articles for their Adsense sites, and through some simple reverse "engineering"...find their Adsense sites. That's really no different than could be done at my own ezine article site where I write my own articles and post them to my own domain linking out to my Adsense sites. So unless someone can elaborate on why I might not want to do that...I just don't understand why it's worth keeping my Adsense sites so secretive in line with how everyone else seems to do.

Carlos

[carlos123]

Just another thought...I was looking around on ezine trying to see what if anything I want to imitate from their site on my own and I could not believe the numbers of articles some expert categorized authors have on there.

Thousands of articles!

I don't know but that seems absolutely crazy to me. I mean if these authors had simply started their own sites and added thousands and I mean thousands of article "pages" to them how much more benefit could they have gained from their countless hours of writing than if they had continued and continue to give ezine all that they give it.

It's unreal! What a waste of good writing ability with respect to these authors not getting maxium benefit for their writing! I mean I can understand writing a few articles on ezine. I've done it myself. But thousands? Like I said that seems absolutely crazy to me. If I was inclined to write that many articles on ezine I (or these authors) would be much better off starting our own ezine like site.

Traffic is traffic. Better I say to get that traffic to our own sites more directly than to continue indefinitely to give ezine like sites the benefit of our writing for next to nothing!

Why share our writing with ezine so they can walk away with 90% of the benefit (or more) while we end up with the mere left over traffic that might come our way through them?

Carlos