Angela's and Pauls Packet ?

[deaddogdesign]

Does anyone know if this method would be considered white hat seo or black hat seo?

Thanks,
Garen

[nicelife]

Getting links to content can be seen as any traditional marketing effort, like advertising you're letting the world know that you exist by placing links where you are allowed to do so.


It's possible to abuse anything and if one does, he/she would thereby turn a white hat method(where you actually provide some value) into a black hat method. If you actually contribute something and not abuse the "advertising space" it might just be fine to put your link there.

Most of us know that Angelas backlink strategy is about putting links in profile pages on high quality forums, and It works well if done correctly.

One TIP that can help from getting your links removed from these profile pages is to make sure your profile has all the information filled in and to have a photo in the profile. But also one more important that could help you getting your link to stay in the profile, is to NOT add it when you create the profile but rather do it a week later when the profiled has been reviewed.

I would'nt consider putting links on profile pages a black hat strategy, if done with care i.e.

/Daniel

[Selena85]

I don't consider it black hat, but I know some people would disagree.

I aways try my best to respect the forum and the webmasters. I prefer to use the sites that are at least slightly related to my niche and never put too many links. Usually only two, but sometimes three if there's a "link section".

As nicelife says, it's good practice to fill in as much detail as you can and include a profile photo.

[Suzanne Morrison]

If getting links (using any method) from an external site was considered black hat or could damage your site, then there would be nothing to stop your competitors doing this.

So the worst case would be that a link would not count towards your ranking.

Cheers,
Suzanne

[euhlir]

Personally I think it's sort of a mix of the both making a gray area of SEO. I don't feel bad doing it, but it's not something I'd want someone else doing on one of my own sites.

[cagliostro]

Originally Posted by deaddogdesign

Does anyone know if this method would be considered white hat seo or black hat seo?

Thanks,
Garen

If you are interested in the long run, don't even consider the above.

If you do, make sure you have a backup plan, and also the you don't run all your websites from a single adsense account. In case you are banned.

Also a lot of the links in the packages don't work, more than a half for me.

[euhlir]

If you are interested in the long run, don't even consider the above.

If you do, make sure you have a backup plan, and also the you don't run all your websites from a single adsense account. In case you are banned.

I don't use Angela's or Paul's, but I do hire people to build these profiles for me, but on sites where they aren't overun with spam. I also only put one or two links per profile. So the chances of mine getting erased is slim to none. You could have the argument of long term links over any method of getting backlinks. These just happen to be high PR and work the best.

Also why would you get banned from Adsense for having profiles on websites? There are plenty of other spamming methods people do online with Adsense that would get them banned well before someone who just has a lot of profiles on legit websites.

I think people who put 10+ links on a profile are being very obvious in their work, but that will at most just likely get their account on each site deleted.

[cagliostro]

Originally Posted by euhlir

Also why would you get banned from Adsense for having profiles on websites? There are plenty of other spamming methods people do online with Adsense that would get them banned well before someone who just has a lot of profiles on legit websites.

Why ? Because Google says so. Simple as that.

Doing un-natural backlinks is somehow like cheating search engines. If you get caught, then your whole account is banned for EVER.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by euhlir

I don't use Angela's or Paul's, but I do hire people to build these profiles for me, but on sites where they aren't overun with spam. I also only put one or two links per profile. So the chances of mine getting erased is slim to none.

Good move. thats exactly my philosophy on backlinks (except you don't have to hire people). Mass available backlinks are not good. If anything should be limited its the amount of people using the same backlinks. Every link from a site leaks PR juice so hundreds on a page is a waste of time.

[euhlir]

Why ? Because Google says so. Simple as that.

Doing un-natural backlinks is somehow like cheating search engines. If you get caught, then your whole account is banned for EVER.

Yeah that's true, but I think every internet marketer would be banned if they took that to the extreme. Someone with profiles on websites (that allow and sometimes encourage you to put in signatures and your own links in your profiles) is not going to raise a red flag with Google, and will likely be fine even with a human reviewer.

Good move. thats exactly my philosophy on backlinks (except you don't have to hire people). Mass available backlinks are not good.

I just pay people because it saves me a good deal of time. I agree with you as well that mass available backlinks are not worth the time or energy to get. They will be the first to be nulled by Google, and the webmasters are likely to delete them anyway.

[Magy]

If you submit 1000 articles with the same authorbox, it is not "black hat" but will definitely not be natural for google eyes. So, Black Hat, White hat, but, what looks like more natural for link building?

[Magy]

Originally Posted by cagliostro

Why ? Because Google says so. Simple as that.

Doing un-natural backlinks is somehow like cheating search engines. If you get caught, then your whole account is banned for EVER.

Everytime you do a backlink for your site, you cheat, so...
You put a video with a link to your site, you submit your website to directories, you write an article to promote your website : you cheat.

To be natural, you must wait that "someone" think your site si cool, and will do a link (bye bye the good results for competitive markets). or you can be like "anybody" and act like if it was not your own website that you promote.

[cagliostro]

Originally Posted by Magy

Everytime you do a backlink for your site, you cheat, so...
You put a video with a link to your site, you submit your website to directories, you write an article to promote your website : you cheat.

Well, i don't agree. Putting a backlink to a profile is not the same as a Youtube video.

[Magy]

Originally Posted by cagliostro

Well, i don't agree. Putting a backlink to a profile is not the same as a Youtube video.

it's not "the same thing" but both are unnatural for google. You put a video online to promote a website that you dont own? What i mean by saying that is : nobody have a website with natural backlinks, they all do some backlinks, and in a way, they all cheat the results. When you SEO your pages, you cheat, and when you do links to improve your rankings, you cheat too (with any type of backlink you can use) So, i dont think that google will ban people for building links to their site. They have a lot of work with websites of poor quality and MFA, they will not ban a good website with a lot of content for some backlinks.

[tjcocker]

This is the same argument all over again.

A lot of SEO efforts are considered "gaming the search engines", which Google says they do not like.

However, if making a bunch of profile links will get you banned, then everyone would be doing it to their competitors trying to get them taken down. Don't be silly, read some more threads and find out before you make assumptions.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Magy

Everytime you do a backlink for your site, you cheat, so...
You put a video with a link to your site, you submit your website to directories, you write an article to promote your website : you cheat.

Agreed. If I submit an article to EZA hoping to get a backlink out of it, that is most certainly creating artificial links. Unless someone has huge $$$$ or other resources they just can't build links the way that Google says that one should be building them.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by cagliostro

Why ? Because Google says so. Simple as that.

Doing un-natural backlinks is somehow like cheating search engines. If you get caught, then your whole account is banned for EVER.

Google says a lot of crap that isn't true.

(1) unless you are building the best content on the web and/or you have huge $$$$$$ for an advertising budget, then almost all link building will be considered unnatural by Google. Per Google, getting other sites to naturally link to you is considered natural. Submitting your article to EZA article with a link back to your site is *not* natural.

(2) backlinks may certainly be de-valued or not valued as much, but they really can't be harmful to you in the long run. If they were, you could just link spam all of your competitors' pages and snap up the #1 spot quickly.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by cagliostro

If you are interested in the long run, don't even consider the above.

If you do, make sure you have a backup plan, and also the you don't run all your websites from a single adsense account. In case you are banned.

Also a lot of the links in the packages don't work, more than a half for me.

I don't think the OP even mentioned adsense, so not sure where that comment came from.

These backlinks work well for many of us, plain and simple.

[cagliostro]

Originally Posted by tjcocker

This is the same argument all over again.

A lot of SEO efforts are considered "gaming the search engines", which Google says they do not like.

However, if making a bunch of profile links will get you banned, then everyone would be doing it to their competitors trying to get them taken down. Don't be silly, read some more threads and find out before you make assumptions.

You know, i have read ALL the threads in here, this summer. Thank you.

For me it goes like this: i have invested a lot of time and money in my small adsense (for now) empire. I plan to make my living with adsense and IM, for the rest of my life.

So i'm very-very carefull about everything. I have no idea if backlinks can or can't ban or hurt you. But i do know that right now i'm making some money from adsense, and if google ban me at some point, i will be in trouble. I also have several websites in my account, so i will have a hard time to recover.

But anyone who feels lucky can use all those wso services. Most of them are useless and not working anyway...

[cagliostro]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

These backlinks work well for many of us, plain and simple.

Well, maybe the packages work for some talented people and not for some others like me. What can i say.

Last time i tried Paul's, most of it was not working or had a mad webmaster.

[jasonmorgan]

Does anyone know if this method would be considered white hat seo or black hat seo?

It's douchebag SEO

Personally I think it's sort of a mix of the both making a gray area of SEO. I don't feel bad doing it, but it's not something I'd want someone else doing on one of my own sites.

Exactly. See my above comment.

It works. I do it. Guess I'm a douchebag too. But the sites you are adding your links too do not like it.

If you don't mind pissing in the pool then go for it.

[butters]

Originally Posted by Magy

If you submit 1000 articles with the same authorbox, it is not "black hat" but will definitely not be natural for google eyes. So, Black Hat, White hat, but, what looks like more natural for link building?

Google tells you to market your site... Do you think if they see 1000's links comming in from article directories you think you would get banned? I personaly do not, now if they see like, 1000's coming in from blogs, that would be un natural.

[Al Anshori]

just do as much as you can build, and of cource you must do it all kind backlink including angela method.

[deaddogdesign]

I do try to NOT just stick with one type of backlink building method. I do use these packets, and believe they do work pretty good. Of course there are some people out their that abuse them. I got some good tips about not adding your links in their too quickly. Awesome tip! However, I guess I have come to the conclusion that these are not black hat techniques. They are more on the lines of gray market strategies. Not really bad, but need to be done correctly in order to not annoy other webmasters.

[Suzanne Morrison]

For anyone who thinks that incoming links of any sort can hurt your site, get your site banned etc, please watch this video - it explains very well why this simply IS NOT TRUE:

Incoming Links - Can They Hurt? | Free Traffic System

Cheers
Suzanne

[deaddogdesign]

Originally Posted by Suzanne Morrison

For anyone who thinks that incoming links of any sort can hurt your site, get your site banned etc, please watch this video - it explains very well why this simply IS NOT TRUE:

Incoming Links - Can They Hurt? | Free Traffic System

Cheers
Suzanne

Awesome find. You are wasting your time with nasty backlinks . It is all about relevant backlinks.

[edgray]

Angela's backlinks are WHITEHAT - you're not fooling Google in any way, shape or form.

Building backlinks is recognised as being a way to promote your site, and breaks no rules at Google.

[McBrett]

google has made their stance on position on paid links clear: Text link follow-up

With that being said, I wouldn't completely rule out paying for them.

I've actually heard about Angela and Paul's packet a number of times? Does anyone have experience with using them? I'd consider doing a blog post/review about their link building services in the future if there is interest in it.

[edgray]

Originally Posted by McBrett

google has made their stance on position on paid links clear: Text link follow-up

With that being said, I wouldn't completely rule out paying for them.

I've actually heard about Angela and Paul's packet a number of times? Does anyone have experience with using them? I'd consider doing a blog post/review about their link building services in the future if there is interest in it.

The thing is, technically you're not paying for the links. You buy information on where to put links, but no money changes hands between you and the website owner.

I've been using them for a couple of months, given that the price is so cheap, they're great for SEO newbies, if not so much in SEO value, they really show you where you can get great links from and expand your SEO knowledge.

[MarkAse]

To me, it's grey hat. Although not necessarily the worst thing in the world for a forum, it is definitely taking advantage of the situation.