google and autoblogs

[hinduhead]

does google like auto blogs that pull content from places like yahoo answers, news, you tube etc?

or do they penalize you for this duplicate content?

[es5]

The penalize for duplicate content, and moreover, filter duplicate content.

[Nickolie0990]

I'm not Google, so I can't speak for them. But As far as I know, they don't like auto-blogging. I wouldn't waste my time on stuff like that. Always have Unique, High Quality Content.

[Michael Kohler]

They only penalize you if you are trying to get ranking to make money with free indexing. If you autoblog, the content will serve to increase your CTR because it perceives that your blog is full of related content. This is how it has always worked to some degree, just don't expect any kind of ranking with duplicate or spun duplicate content.

[hinduhead]

not really doing anything with it just thru a few affiliate links up and doing some heavy autoblogging

so what ur saying is i probably wont be showing up in the serps anytime soon?

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by es5

The penalize for duplicate content, and moreover, filter duplicate content.

This is why it is best not to listen to newbies, generally. I will give you one example. Here is one of my sites that is an autoblog and has been on the first page of google for months. yogurtmachine.org Look up yogurt machine and you will find that site is number 4.

I have hundreds if sites like that, but I just want to show you that people who say autoblogs dont rank well are uninformed.

Originally Posted by Michael Kohler

They only penalize you if you are trying to get ranking to make money with free indexing. If you autoblog, the content will serve to increase your CTR because it perceives that your blog is full of related content. This is how it has always worked to some degree, just don't expect any kind of ranking with duplicate or spun duplicate content.

LOL at the fact that my entire business model proves you wrong. Good thing I never listened to people, and TRIED STUFF FOR MYSELF!!! That's what you have to do.

[bambi211]

It's always good to provide a fresh and unique content rather than get it from some place, right? I'm pretty sure google will love to crawl different blogs with fresh and unique contents.

[Tyler Pratt]

My experience with autoblogs is they get delisted in google very fast. I dont know how googles knows this but they do.

[Aaarrrggghhh]

Google is an AUTOBLOG - Lol! Look, so long as your 'blog' is optimized for the search engines and you are gathering 'themed' and 'related' content and organizing that information in an easy to read manner you are adding value for the user who is trying to find that information.

Now, if you throw up some spam blog that just is pulling in crap from all over the internet, yeah, you probably aren't going to get much credit with the search engines and eventually dumped altogether.

I create highly targeted themed 'autoblogs' but I also compliment them with unique content and drip-feed that content into them so they grow naturally...and thereby profit naturally. But again, they are highly targeted to a specific theme and user group.

If you are having problems getting an 'autoblog' ranked, it has nothing to do with the fact it is an 'autoblog' unless you are using not so much whitehat methods...anyway, your site may not be properly SEO'd, you may not have the right targeted keywords, you may just require more time...you just have to take a closer look at your current business model and analyze what you are currently doing and change ONE thing, monitor it, see if THAT changes anything, etc.

Autoblogs rock...and so does Google, and they are as 'auto' as you can get

[Aaarrrggghhh]

Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery

... Here is one of my sites that is an autoblog and has been on the first page of google for months. yogurtmachine.org Look up yogurt machine and you will find that site is number 4.

Now that is a beautiful example Thanks for sharing and nice job!

[hinduhead]

great information... thank u for clearing this up for me, another question i have is how often should a post be made i have it set for about every 24 hours, is this to much?

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by gotdmw

great information... thank u for clearing this up for me, another question i have is how often should a post be made i have it set for about every 24 hours, is this to much?

I set mine for one post every three days.

[giantwarrior]

Originally Posted by gotdmw

does google like auto blogs that pull content from places like yahoo answers, news, you tube etc?

or do they penalize you for this duplicate content?

Not only google, all search engine loves original and unique content. They always penalize the duplicate content copied from other sites. Also your page rank will go down in such cases.

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by giantwarrior

Not only google, all search engine loves original and unique content. They always penalize the duplicate content copied from other sites. Also your page rank will go down in such cases.

LOL, then why is this autoblog stubbletrimmer.com number 1 on YAHOO for the search - stubble trimmer

Dont listen to people who say google penalizes a site with content from another site. If this were true, I could go blak hat, and take your content, submit it to hundreds of article directories, blogs, social bookmarks, then google would penalize your site?

Google cares about duplicate content within the site. DUH! If you have two exact same articles on your site, that is duplicate content. Dont post the same post more than once and you will have NO duplicate content.

Isnt it funny how a little proof goes along way to destroying some one's lame argument. Arguments which are usually just worthless opinions rooted in something they thought they heard from some one else somewhere?

[Slin]

Duplicate content is a myth.

Knowing this, I bet having autoblogs can be extremely successful.

[Aaarrrggghhh]

Originally Posted by giantwarrior

Not only google, all search engine loves original and unique content. They always penalize the duplicate content copied from other sites. Also your page rank will go down in such cases.

This is simply not true...well, partially not true. Yes, the search engines love original content but what is all of this nonsense about penalizing duplicate content copied from other sites? There are TONS of directories, both general directories and highly focused specialized directories, none of which have original content on them and yet they have a very high PR.

Again, it goes back to organizing and delivering content in a way that is user friendly to the visitors to your site. Google loves those sites too

[hinduhead]

do u think posting to much can hurt how search engines look at my site?

is how i have it set up is, videos 1 day, articles next day, news, Q&A's for each day a different category is this over doin it?

[Mattk]

Originally Posted by es5

The penalize for duplicate content, and moreover, filter duplicate content.

Originally Posted by giantwarrior

They always penalize the duplicate content copied from other sites. Also your page rank will go down in such cases.

Where the hell is James??? Come on man we need ya.

[Glassjaw009]

Generally, blanket statements cannot and should not be issued in regards to ranking or getting good positions in search engines. Autoblogs can work, but they can also fail horribly. One of the biggest factors that Google looks at when ranking a site is if the site is authoritative or not and if it has a lot of trust. This is measured in Pagerank, but really there is also a lot more to it than that.

Say for instance, you've got a blog that's been around for 2 years and you're ripping content from a blog that is a Pagerank 0, has little to no authority or real presence in search engines, odds are even with duplicate content, you're going to outrank that site for their own content because Google views you as a more authoritative source on it. This means that Google ranks you higher because historically, you've produced good information, etc.

That's the long answer. The short answer is:

If you're a new blog ripping content from trusted, powerful sites - no you're not going to rank (or at least, it's not likely)

If you're a semi-powerful site ripping content from lesser known sites - you might very well outrank THAT site you're pulling from. This doesn't mean you'll outrank other related sites.

Generally, autoblogging isn't recommended, as you really aren't "building" anything and it's pretty transparent to Google. Hope this helped.

Thomas

[Glassjaw009]

gotdmw,

Google loves sites that update constantly. Generally, the more you update the more they like you because you're providing timely, up to date information in their eyes. You're fine! =)

[Aaarrrggghhh]

I haven't personally seen it hurt any of my sites. I have some that post several times daily because they pull in news resources and the bots come by daily, at least it looks like they do in my server logs.

Typically what I do when I first start an autoblog type site is I don't have all the posts ping if I am dumping a large amount of content or products at once into the blog. I personally go back through and hand ping them. Not sure about the validity of doing this it was more of just a precaution of not knowing whether it would adversely affect the site or not.

But heck, there are lots of sites that receive new data every few seconds and they are not penalized...look at eBay...okay, maybe that's a tad bit overboard but you get my drift

[Deanna Taber]

I have to chime in here too. There are several different types of autoblogs. Most people attach a stigma to the scraped content autoblogs. I totally understand their way of thinking.

But without being cocky- do a quick Google search for "the twilight collections"
without quotes. See what comes up in the first spot. This is scraped content without penalty.

Now here's another autoblog electric-beard-trimmer.com- it also is scraped content from Amazon. And not ranking well.

Then you have Ebay affiliate stores and sites made for adsense. Tell me people aren't ranking for those.

I seriously feel duplicate content is a myth. Oh and don't forget techcrunch.com- take a wild guess what kind of blog that is.

[Ralf Skirr]

It's funny how people who have no clue keep posting you get penalized and deindexed although the counterexamples are posted here already.

Not only do they give false advice, they don't even care to read what more experienced forum members have to say...

I wonder how many people in this forum make the wrong decision for their business here everyday based on false advice from newbies who have no clue but the certainty to post their opinion on everything.

Ralf

[digigo]

autoblog can be used to supplement your website content.. just do not make it the only content .. google will not filter out duplicate content, which is already clarified by one of their engineers last year IIRC..look it up .. but to rank higher and be relevant you do need a lot of original content...

[MorbitlyObesePaypalAccoun]

Google isnt to fawn of auto blogs, however they aren't ment to last that long. Most auto bloggers just merely recreate the blogs that get de indexed and keep the ball rolling thats what you should do, because it really doesn't take that much work.

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery

This is why it is best not to listen to newbies, generally. I will give you one example. Here is one of my sites that is an autoblog and has been on the first page of google for months. yogurtmachine.org Look up yogurt machine and you will find that site is number 4.

I have hundreds if sites like that, but I just want to show you that people who say autoblogs dont rank well are uninformed.

LOL at the fact that my entire business model proves you wrong. Good thing I never listened to people, and TRIED STUFF FOR MYSELF!!! That's what you have to do.

Charles is not alone. Michael Nguyen and Rob Fore also have auto-blog (or anyways blog) empires and they all prove the newbies wrong.

What's important is *TO TAKE ACTION*. Don't listen too much, try things for yourself!

[Aaarrrggghhh]

Originally Posted by digigo

autoblog can be used to supplement your website content.. just do not make it the only content .. google will not filter out duplicate content, which is already clarified by one of their engineers last year IIRC..look it up .. but to rank higher and be relevant you do need a lot of original content...

This is simply not what my experience has ever been...atleast not since 1998...and there are niches where you only need 5 pages of relevant content to stay ranked on the first page and those sites haven't been touched in years.

So it really depends on many factors...way too many factors to be making such blanketed statements.

For me, the only way to truly know is to test each one individually. And ya know what, each one may require something totally different altogether and each business model may respond totally different to how it can convert and rank.

You have to get out and try it for yourself, that is how we all learn...not by chit chatting about it, by DOING it...what have u got to lose, you will then know more than everyone because you are DOING it...don't worry about getting sand-boxed, who cares, that is not a life-sentence, you will learn from that won't you? Then I bet you won't do that again

[satrap]

I dont understand people who say Google penalize duplicate content. I mean if that was the case than why are there hundreds of article dirctories with same content?...Think people!!!
And here is what google has to say on this subject:

...Let's put this to bed once and for all, folks: There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty." At least, not in the way most people mean when they say that.

There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site—for example, if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged) in our Webmaster Guidelines:

* Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
* Avoid... "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
* If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.

(Note that while scraping content from others is discouraged, having others scrape you is a different story; check out this post if you're worried about being scraped.)

But most site owners whom I hear worrying about duplicate content aren't talking about scraping or domain farms; they're talking about things like having multiple URLs on the same domain that point to the same content. Like www.example.com/skates.asp?color=black&brand=riedell and www.example.com/skates.asp?brand=riedell&color=black. Having this type of duplicate content on your site can potentially affect your site's performance, but it doesn't cause penalties. From our article on duplicate content:

Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. ...

You can find the complete article on googlewebmastercentral

[xiojin]

Autoblog is one of my success..go a head!

[wolfields]

An interesting discussion, I had been led to believe that duplicate content was a problem until a year ago when a fellow marketer set me straight and showed me similar content from Google that Satrap just posted.

I bought a service for an auto-blogging site but the content that was produced was not worth the monthly fee. It was original, but poorly written and often very short, and sometimes missed the whole point of the blog. Now I tough it out and write as much as I can and supplement with news feeds.

[derekwong28]

...Let's put this to bed once and for all, folks: There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty." At least, not in the way most people mean when they say that.

There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site—for example, if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged) in our Webmaster Guidelines:

I thought if anything, Google admits that it will penalize sites with duplicate content in some situatiions, and that certainly implies autoblogs

[Khal]

A very interesting thread indeed.
Here is my experience on the matter.

All of my blogs DO NOT have a single original sentence.

The content is scrapped from the internet, put through a software that I use which rewrites everything for me and spits out content that is absolutely readable by humans and cannot be found anywhere on the Internet.

The content is then uploaded to my blogs and is auto posted at a frequency of one article every 2 days.

ALL my blogs get indexed within a week to 10 days WITHOUT any kind of promotion.

I have a 2 blogs now that are PR1 and are at the top of page 1 in Google for their main keyword.

One of them sits at the top of over 13 Million search results.

Original content is good if you have the patience and money to write articles or outsource them.

For me, I can throw up 2 blogs a day that are properly keyword researched, nicely designed and have content that is drip fed for a year or two.

To top it all up, I get Adsense revenue from them.
I do not believe in original content any more.

Khal

[flipkid]

Hi Guys,

I know I'm new here - I'd like to say hello! I've lurked this forum for years and I'm glad to finally not be such a work-a-holic that I have a bit of time to chat. I've been doing the SEO thing for a while and this question is probably the most asked and I can shed some light on my experience with it.

Duplicate content is not a MYTH, it's a MISUNDERSTANDING.

If you read in Google Webmaster Guidelines about what is considered 'Duplicate Content' then you will understand that Google just doesn't want the same content published all over the same website repeatedly.

In the pre-web 2.0 days, people used to write the same article, change the keyword and publish it 1000s of times on the same site to make it appear like they had 1000s of pages and Google would index them.

Autoblogs really do work. Ideally you want some unique stuff in there for the benefit of your readers but they do get indexed, they do stay at the top of rankings and and yes, you can make affiliate income from them. Since the RSS feed was implemented most websites syndicate content. Even huge sites like CNN and Huffington. They are autoblogs NOT getting slapped.

So is Google going to penalize your site for putting up a good, relevant article from Forbes that relates to your site? No. But what they will slap you for is obvious spamming like using plugins to generate 100 pages of content in a day. And they are right to do this because it's bad for everyone.

The bottom line is just do what is right for your readers. If adding a relevant duplicate article to your site is interesting to your readers you won't get hurt by the search engines. Worry about your readers, your content and your branding, not about Google.

[hinduhead]

Originally Posted by Khal

The content is scrapped from the internet, put through a software that I use which rewrites everything for me and spits out content that is absolutely readable by humans and cannot be found anywhere on the Internet.

very nice results... what software is this?

[hinduhead]

what software does everybody use?

i went after some pretty high competition keywords just as a experiment, has anybody had success with this?

[Hanz]

I never had any success with autoblogs. Google wouldn't even index mine. I had 3 related to dating which I purchased from a guy on another board. Google knew it was duplicate content. LOL

[Khal]

very nice results... what software is this?

The software is called "Content Hurricane"
You can see it in action on both sites in my sig.
Hope this helps.
Khal

[yourreviewer]

Originally Posted by giantwarrior

Not only google, all search engine loves original and unique content. They always penalize the duplicate content copied from other sites. Also your page rank will go down in such cases.

I am sorry to say, but this is absolute garbage advise. Even Google is sick of hearing about the duplicate content penalty.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

[Clark]

Originally Posted by yourreviewer

I am sorry to say, but this is absolute garbage advise. Even Google is sick of hearing about the duplicate content penalty.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

Yet G doesn't refute that there is a penalty either but rather, they are demystifying grandiose unsubstantiated claims from people outside of the Google compound of supposed punitive actions by Google due to "duplicate content" use.

Here's the clue:

"At least, not in the way most people mean when they say that."

There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site—for example, if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged) in our Webmaster Guidelines:

[Glenn Leader]

When ever this topic comes up, the same
old bollocks is regurgitated by people who
have no idea at all about the topic in hand.
They just voice their opinions but present
them as fact.

I have many auto blogs built with nothing
but so called duplicate content, and I've
had them for years... Many of them are
on Blogger. This is not option dressed
up as fact.

Glenn

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery

This is why it is best not to listen to newbies, generally. I will give you one example. Here is one of my sites that is an autoblog and has been on the first page of google for months. yogurtmachine.org Look up yogurt machine and you will find that site is number 4.

I have hundreds if sites like that, but I just want to show you that people who say autoblogs dont rank well are uninformed.



LOL at the fact that my entire business model proves you wrong. Good thing I never listened to people, and TRIED STUFF FOR MYSELF!!! That's what you have to do.

Well said Charles.

[Groovy99]

Originally Posted by giantwarrior

Not only google, all search engine loves original and unique content. They always penalize the duplicate content copied from other sites. Also your page rank will go down in such cases.

My apologies, but that is not correct at all.

[fredjr1978]

Auto Blogging is great if you want to have a website that you get traffic, but also want to give your visitors reasons to come back for information and not have to do the work in posting the articles or information.

I would not suggest using autoblogging to get higher ranked. First clue, never look for the easy way out to make money, chances are it will never succeed. If you dont want to write your unique content...find someone that can write it for you and you pay.

Good luck!

[Glenn Leader]

Originally Posted by fredjr1978

Auto Blogging is great if you want to have a website that you get traffic, but also want to give your visitors reasons to come back for information and not have to do the work in posting the articles or information.

I would not suggest using autoblogging to get higher ranked. First clue, never look for the easy way out to make money, chances are it will never succeed. If you dont want to write your unique content...find someone that can write it for you and you pay.

Good luck!

Can you back any of this up with facts?

[Dhira]

Originally Posted by es5

The penalize for duplicate content, and moreover, filter duplicate content.

Not exactly true.
In fact, not true at all.

A blog is like google search results.
Some unique content
Some scarped content.
The particular mix, along with your template IS unique - provided the content is mixed with other pulled content...

[Elle Holder]

Originally Posted by derekwong28

...Let's put this to bed once and for all, folks: There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty." At least, not in the way most people mean when they say that.

There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site—for example, if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged) in our Webmaster Guidelines:

I thought if anything, Google admits that it will penalize sites with duplicate content in some situatiions, and that certainly implies autoblogs

Oh, good! Someone else with comprehension skills!

[dave147]

Originally Posted by gotdmw

does google like auto blogs that pull content from places like yahoo answers, news, you tube etc?

or do they penalize you for this duplicate content?

Doesn't matter where the content comes from, if it's relevant to the search term, and good SEO is in place, it will rank high. They will not penalize you for duplicate content in that regard. Every 3 days is a good setting.

[nikolaaa]

Google doesn't love it.

BUT IT WORKS!

It works if you know how to do it.

Basically you need a huge number of domains and huge number of indexed pages if you want to have any results.

Most of people who fails in auto blogging made just a few auto blogs and say "it doesn't work".

It's serious business and like any other you need to invest in:

- huge number of domains (50 or more for your first network)
- hosting with different ips and locations
- some number of unique articles to start each site
- link building

Link building is very important here and you should be good with SEO and develop your methods for getting backlinks.

Most of people who success in this are coders/web developers and if you are not, it's better to look for some other method of making money online.


Nikola

[Aaarrrggghhh]

Originally Posted by Hanz

I never had any success with autoblogs. Google wouldn't even index mine. I had 3 related to dating which I purchased from a guy on another board. Google knew it was duplicate content. LOL

Just goes to show how not every blog is created equally.

Blogs are naturally powerful out of the box, but they are extremely powerful IF you know how to properly set them up.

But even with all that power, if you picked the wrong niche...you are probably doomed from the start. I do this lots...but you learn really quick what works and what doesn't...IF you continue to work it.

Unfortunately, if you bought an autoblog and expected to just throw it up and make money from it...that is probably never going to happen.

I've seen some really great autoblogs for sale here in the Warrior Forum, and others were crap. Even if you bought one of the great autoblogs, there is still work on your part that needs to be done to make money from them, but they do provide you with a really great start IF you got a good one!

[Aaarrrggghhh]

Originally Posted by dave147

Doesn't matter where the content comes from, if it's relevant to the search term, and good SEO is in place, it will rank high. They will not penalize you for duplicate content in that regard. Every 3 days is a good setting.

Well said.

Again, if you are doing autoblogs, it is about RELEVANCY. If you can deliver RELEVANT information, be it products, reviews, listings, etc., your site will do just fine.

You don't have to be a writer to be a great editor and organizer of RELEVANT information