Web 2.0 Linkwheels for Backlinks?

[GavinLively]

Linkwheels...Is anyone here building them or having them built to help with your quality backlinks?

I'm testing them but the jury is still out of how effective they are compared to other methods...

I lnow someone here was selling an WSO that was an all inclusive backlink SEO package that incorporated Linkwheels along with SEO Brute Force submissions and such but I can not find the WSO now...

Has anyone tracked the effectiveness of Linkwheels here?

Thanks
Gavin

[Chris Kent]

They are effective but personally I think they are grey hat veering on black hat.

I won't use them. It's just a matter of time before the big G bans them. Already they can recognise some poorly designed ones.

I hate creating web 2.0 sites anyway. In my view, they are a waste of internet real estate and don't serve anywhere near as much educational value as a single, properly hosted site.

[SeanSupplee]

Grey hat? More like black hat, Any method used to build backlinks to your own websites in hopes of gaining rank is black hat. Its unnatural link building.

Anyways....

Link wheels work but you need to figure out the right way to building them. There are people here selling them on WSO's for $95 or so. However I wouldn't stab my fork in those and for good reason.
1. It's not my content and most of the time its one main article spun into 20 different variations. Wheres the quality in that?
2. I don't trust someone else with my name in order to gain ranking for my site like that.
3. Quality over quantity, Id rather pay $300 for a quality, researched and seo efficient link wheel in which I can just do myself.

They work but you need to be careful in how you set them up.

[Jill Carpenter]

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

I hate creating web 2.0 sites anyway. In my view, they are a waste of internet real estate and don't serve anywhere near as much educational value as a single, properly hosted site.

Well, of course you want your own site - but the web 2.0 sites are there to help promote it.

One can never have too many links going to their site.

It's just a matter of time before the big G bans them

This is next to impossible IMO.

Google would have to ban all web 2.0 properties. It would be nearly impossible to track where the wheels really are.


They can't penalize the site that is above the wheel or your competitors would go out and just make linkwheels under your sites.

[freudianslip27]

I also agree that there wouldn't be a penalization. The worst thing would be that the links from the linkwheels would be devalued. I don't think there's anything wrong with incorporating linkwheels into an overall promotion strategy. The danger is that if this is all you do, you run the risk of feeling the effects greatly if and when Google decides to not hold web 2.0 properties in as much of a high regard.

Matt

[sndrsndv]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Well, of course you want your own site - but the web 2.0 sites are there to help promote it.

One can never have too many links going to their site.



This is next to impossible IMO.

Google would have to ban all web 2.0 properties. It would be nearly impossible to track where the wheels really are.


They can't penalize the site that is above the wheel or your competitors would go out and just make linkwheels under your sites.

you are totaly correct . i cannot believe you would think your website would get banned of a link wheel hahaha. You wont even get sandboxed. Even if you did you would be out in days if you keep building quality links

use web 2.0 to gain quality backlinks to your site to boost your sites in the serps
Link wheels are the way forward. Mainly people use it with xrumer to protect there site and to boost it in the serps!

Dublicate content that is a myth to. There is dublicate content all over the web.

[Darren Tan]

Like Sean had said, links wheel definitely do work, but the key is how do you build it correctly.

If you are really thinking in terms of building linkwheels or whatever methods you're thinking of diving into, my suggestion is always think in terms of the quality because of the very fact that for web 2.0 properties, there are real humans visiting.

Rather than showing them something crappy, why not show them something that will create value for them so that they might also share with their friends?

If the OLD spammy link wheels work, how much more will it work for superb quality link wheels?

Although it takes up ton of time, but the results will probably double or triple...

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Darren

Originally Posted by GavinLively

Linkwheels...Is anyone here building them or having them built to help with your quality backlinks?

I'm testing them but the jury is still out of how effective they are compared to other methods...

I lnow someone here was selling an WSO that was an all inclusive backlink SEO package that incorporated Linkwheels along with SEO Brute Force submissions and such but I can not find the WSO now...

Has anyone tracked the effectiveness of Linkwheels here?

Thanks
Gavin

[GavinLively]

Hey Thanks for the responses

I'm not really concerned about "grey hat" or "black Hat" unless it is just blatant SE spamming with worthless content...

Most times whenever I hear anyone talking about "black hat" it is in the realm of personal perception and subjectivity of what the individual feels is acceptable to them...Some individuals feel a need to place a subjective moral code on marketing on the SE's....Some people think ALL SEO is immoral or "black hat" because it is an attempt to manipulate the SE rankings

Most times these "subjective perceptions" are not usually based on any sort of objective reality just some inarticulate sense of morality placed on SEO for no real logical thinking reason and based more on an irrational feeling. Most times it is not based on fact just "something they heard" from someone who has appointed themselves as the search engine marketing morality police....

There is so much search engine marketing misinformation out there based on nothing but conjecture and "feelings" of what is moral or ethical...LOL assigning morality or ethics to ones behavior on the SE's always seemed a bit silly to me since it is the SE's that make the rules and control how you rank regardless of good you feel your site is.

The SE's are a tool like any other tool... All tools have methods which enable the user of the said tool to "optimize" for the best most effective use, to gain the best results...PERIOD.

The type of Linkwheel building I am talking about are quality linkwheels with quality original and unique content that actually offers true value to the end user...I would never dream of using spammy splogs that offer no value.

I am having several linkwheels built with unique, origional and quality content...I am seeing some boost in SE rankings but I am just wondering how effective this strategy really is. I am also wondering if anyone here uses them and as tracked their results with them.

Thanks again for the discussion

Gavin

[sndrsndv]

Originally Posted by Darren Tan

Like Sean had said, links wheel definitely do work, but the key is how do you build it correctly.

If you are really thinking in terms of building linkwheels or whatever methods you're thinking of diving into, my suggestion is always think in terms of the quality because of the very fact that for web 2.0 properties, there are real humans visiting.

Rather than showing them something crappy, why not show them something that will create value for them so that they might also share with their friends?

If the OLD spammy link wheels work, how much more will it work for superb quality link wheels?

Although it takes up ton of time, but the results will probably double or triple...

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Darren

yeah i totaly agree people are too lazy to build up quality link wheels over time. They want them done now (re-written) And these still work very effectively for my sites so if they are quality wheels they would work even better as Darren said

[AnnaHamer]

what is considered a quality link wheel?

[Vexo]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

Well, of course you want your own site - but the web 2.0 sites are there to help promote it.

One can never have too many links going to their site.



This is next to impossible IMO.

Google would have to ban all web 2.0 properties. It would be nearly impossible to track where the wheels really are.


They can't penalize the site that is above the wheel or your competitors would go out and just make linkwheels under your sites.

Totally agree

They are effective but personally I think they are grey hat veering on black hat.

I won't use them. It's just a matter of time before the big G bans them. Already they can recognise some poorly designed ones.

I hate creating web 2.0 sites anyway. In my view, they are a waste of internet real estate and don't serve anywhere near as much educational value as a single, properly hosted site.

It is exactly the same as an article that you submit but instead of submitting it to an article directory you just submit it to a web2.0 site.

There is no way that G can ban them, the links in my wheel provide useful original information that you can’t find anywhere else. They won’t throw away good original content.


In fact I made a blog a couple of years ago (not for IM). I made like 2 good posts and forgot about the blog. The other day I checked it out again and it was in perfect condition.

And the "educational value" has nothing to do with it being a singe site. I provide links to similar articles and information. It is not the same site yet all the information is there.

But if you don't like it don't do it.

[GavinLively]

Hey, everyone using Linkwheels here have you compared the results to straight link building campaignes or using services such as Linkvana or 1waylinks to the results you are getting with your Linkwheels?

Thanks
Gavin

[Droopy Dawg]

With PROPER keyword research... and some good ORIGINAL content... linkwheels could work GREAT for your website.

You can get those web 2.0 properties ranked high for your keywords... stick some aff links/cpa banners on them... link back to your own site (for a backlink)... you can't beat that.

Just don't follow the same linking pattern for every linking campaign you create. There aren't many people that has been slapped by G for leaving footprints.

[GavinLively]

Thanks Droopy Dawg... Are you incorporating LinkWheels into your SEO plan? If so what kind of results have you had with them?

Thanks
Gavin

[blase40]

Link wheels work well. The reason that there are conflicting opinions on their effectiveness is because the majority of people neglect them once they are published. Its important to add content to the web 2.0 properties every couple weeks. If you created a regular blog and only made one post, it wouldnt be long before Google didn't bother coming back to check it out.

Also, forget about using other people's "diagrams" on how to link all the properties together. I don't understand why anyone would want to share that kind of footprint - because if and when the search engines do catch on to the footprint all the hard work is wasted. Be unique in your linking structure and don't use the same exact properties as everyone else.

[Droopy Dawg]

Originally Posted by GavinLively

Thanks Droopy Dawg... Are you incorporating LinkWheels into your SEO plan? If so what kind of results have you had with them?

Thanks
Gavin

I haven't yet... don't have the time

And I'm not going to outsource it because I'd rather have full control of the campaign in regards to its content and "pattern" (footprint).

However I've created web 2.0 properties without linking (link-wheeling ) and some of those have ranked high, and brought a good amount of traffic to my site, and also sign-ups to my list as well as sales/signups (CPA and Affiliate).

Some people really harp on the "backlink" aspect of linkwheels, but me personally... I try to get those properties ranked high in SERPS so that I could get some clicks, then use the content to "establish rapport" (this is why I said "good original content). I place a CPA or afiliate banner in the content (top-left), and I get good CTR.

I also link to my "money site" using the main keyword for my backlink, and somewhere else in the content I'd link to another offer (either CPA or Affiliate).

its worked well...

[markshields]

Link wheel could help you better.. I believe that this is one great way to get traffic to your site.

[schofieldml]

If I understand link wheels correctly, and I may be wrong, really all it is promoting your linking web 2.0 sites to pass on link juice to your main website. Lets say you create 5 web 2.0 sites linking back to your main website. Then you ring those web 2.0 sites with other web 2.0 sites linking back to the original web 2.0 site. Then SB all sites on that "wheel"


Its just an old trick with a new name and it has worked for some time now. A recent exceptional case, 6 months ago, I did a web 2.0 site with quality content, linked others to it and SB'ed everything over just a 1 month period and set and forgot it. 6 months later I have a main web 2.0 property with a PR4 and showing fairly high in the serps.


I recently linked it to a 3 month old site, with only 18 posts and 30 back links and it pushed it to #4 in the serps for the main keyword phrase up from page 2. Against competing pages with thousands of back links, and 8 year plus domain ages. Of course I did other SEO work to the site but it was all in the first month of its existence. But this web 2.0 property is what gave the final push. Since it is doing so well, I am working on getting the site pushed to #2 bc there is a double listing from one website so I think I can get it.


blase40 one technique to deal with the update problem is to choose a web 2.0 property that allows you to display rss feeds as a keyword search. Set it to max posts and max text. You can put it at the bottom if you think it will interfere with someone clicking on your links. It will update your page with fresh content every so often. Of course for max benefit you should post your own content every so often and bookmark/ back link the property but it is a lot of work and you are at mercy of the web 2.0 service.


The "link wheel" usually does not bring you gobs of traffic instantly but if you build it, over time it can be very powerful.
Mike

[linkwheeler]

Link Wheels are still a great SEM method, however it is all dependent on how they are used. We have recently implemented a new strategy that is really kicking butt.

To read more about it click here.

I have included a quick image for reference.



Regards, David Pagotto

[GavinLively]

Hey David thanks for your input... So far I have tried 3 seperate LinkWheel approaches from 3 seperate vendors / outsorcers accross about a half a dozen sites in diverse markets and although they do the work as described I am still not sure how effective they have been in boosting my pages in the SERPS as compared to more traditional backlinking methods... Does it really just come down to the market and the key words targeted?

My questions to you would be,... How quickly do you see a boost in the SERPS that can be directly attributed to a LinkWheel based on your method?

How does it compare to more traditional backlinking methods?

Personally, for me, the Jury is still out on how effective Linkwheels are in comparison to other more traditional back linking methods....

LinkWheels sound really good in theory and the pretty graphics and charts really make them a compelling idea... I am just not sure at this point how effective they are in reality to producing quantifiable results in comparison to other backlinking methods

I test and recommend all effective methods to my affiliates, students, blog readers and mailing list and I would love to test your service, but I would have to know what you believe the effectiveness is in comparison to other more traditional backlinking methods...

Thanks again for sharing

Gavin

Originally Posted by linkwheeler

Link Wheels are still a great SEM method, however it is all dependent on how they are used. We have recently implemented a new strategy that is really kicking butt.

To read more about it click here.

I have included a quick image for reference.



Regards, David Pagotto