0 backlinks to ezine articles? Am I retarted?

[pa2phoenix]

Okay, so this has been bothering me for a while. When I am doing my keyword research I notice ezine articles showing up a lot in the top 3 in google (no surprise for longtail keywords). BUT, I can never find a single backlink to any of their articles.

I't doesn't matter what method I use, Seo for firefox, yahoo site explorer, backlinkwatch etc... still shows zero backlinks.

I understand the power of the author feeds, and I get how that boosts rankings. But I want to punch ezine in the face for not showing me any backlinks.

Am I the only one with this issue?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

In many niches, you don't and won't need a backlink to sites such as EZA and some of the other directories/2.0's...

Big G sees them as an authority because of the sheer mass of content related to various niches and gives them the same favor that they do "regular" authority sites.

[David Merriman]

Sorry -- can't help myself.

"Retarted"... maybe!

[pa2phoenix]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

In many niches, you don't and won't need a backlink to sites such as EZA and some of the other directories/2.0's...

Big G sees them as an authority because of the sheer mass of content related to various niches and gives them the same favor that they do "regular" authority sites.

good stuff, but the issue that I have, is I will do an inanchor search for the targeted keyword and that same article will be at #1. So it would appear that it does in fact have backlinks, I just can't get any idea of how many or from where. Frustrating.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by pa2phoenix

good stuff, but the issue that I have, is I will do an inanchor search for the targeted keyword and that same article will be at #1. So it would appear that it does in fact have backlinks, I just can't get any idea of how many or from where. Frustrating.

hehe - The inanchor is probably the result of the resource box of the article itself

[pa2phoenix]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

hehe - The inanchor is probably the result of the resource box of the article itself

Okay, I'm just gonna stop driving myself up a wall with this one. Just add it to my list of resentments against Ezine.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by maksvt

hey back links are hard to achieve through articles based upon your content and how the search engines index it i had the same problem but i found a article and press release network directory that actually builds hundreds of back links through each article or press release you submit and it works amazingly well!! I have been growing my page rank very well with this network the website is iliketospam.com its the only article directory i use now! hope this helps.

Spam fail - You must really like that site!

Hell, you've posted pretty much the same message at like what - 40 other forums?

[Shoaib]

Originally Posted by pa2phoenix

Okay, so this has been bothering me for a while. When I am doing my keyword research I notice ezine articles showing up a lot in the top 3 in google (no surprise for longtail keywords). BUT, I can never find a single backlink to any of their articles.

I't doesn't matter what method I use, Seo for firefox, yahoo site explorer, backlinkwatch etc... still shows zero backlinks.

I understand the power of the author feeds, and I get how that boosts rankings. But I want to punch ezine in the face for not showing me any backlinks.

Am I the only one with this issue?

You're absolutely right. I don't even bother checking backlinks for EZA pages anymore. I think it has to do something with the syntax in their link structure, where Google or other backlink checkers won't read it properly, even though the page does have backlinks. But I could be wrong.

[Joe118]

If these zero-backlink articles are ranking high on page 1, it means that you'll have an easy time ranking higher than your competition -- the ten sites on page 1.

ITS A GOOD THING.

You can see who links to the ezinearticles page through Backlinks Checker Tool - Backlink Watch

Originally Posted by pa2phoenix

Okay, so this has been bothering me for a while. When I am doing my keyword research I notice ezine articles showing up a lot in the top 3 in google (no surprise for longtail keywords). BUT, I can never find a single backlink to any of their articles.

I't doesn't matter what method I use, Seo for firefox, yahoo site explorer, backlinkwatch etc... still shows zero backlinks.

I understand the power of the author feeds, and I get how that boosts rankings. But I want to punch ezine in the face for not showing me any backlinks.

Am I the only one with this issue?

[pa2phoenix]

Originally Posted by Joe118

If these zero-backlink articles are ranking high on page 1, it means that you'll have an easy time ranking higher than your competition -- the ten sites on page 1.

ITS A GOOD THING.

You can see who links to the ezinearticles page through Backlinks Checker Tool - Backlink Watch

Actually, they won't show up through backlinkwatch.com.

[Joe118]

If you want me to check a specific article please PM me the ezinearticle URL.

And bletch foo bar, Backlinks Checker Tool - Backlink Watch has run out of API calls for today so we have to wait till 12 midnight PST...

[geoffcruz]

i have articles in ezine that has backlinks and it shows in seo quake. Try using seo quake to check the backlinks in your articles.

[pa2phoenix]

Originally Posted by geoffcruz

i have articles in ezine that has backlinks and it shows in seo quake. Try using seo quake to check the backlinks in your articles.

No luck for me with seo quake either. Oh well.... Thanks everyone for the replies.

[Shoaib]

I'm telling you guys, an Ezine Article can have a million backlinks, they will not show up in Google or any of the conventional backlink-monitoring tools!! If you happen to catch one where it is.. I would say it's just luck.

[MusicisMagic]

Same thing happens with GoArticles.

[Shoaib]

Originally Posted by MusicisMagic

Same thing happens with GoArticles.

Yeah.. probably one of the more techie guys/girls could shed some light on it, but they don't seem to be chiming in. Maybe post it in the programming forum? To me it doesn't matter though.. if I see an EZA in the top 10 SERP that just means to me that I can get a page or an article ranked for that term fairly easily.

But like I said, I think it has something to do with the syntax in their links, the "?" and other characters that make the backlinks not come up in Google and other tools.

[MarkAse]

Sandbox after 245 links? Doesn't seem even close to right to me. Submitting 18,000 comments is clearly spam and really should be marked as such. You've got to at least attempt to show a natural progression for your sites and articles.

[Fraggler]

I just use the SEOQuake Page Info tool to list my EZA backlinks. It is possible that they don't actually have any links. If they are on one of the most view/publish/recent list then they can get a lot of the internal linking power. New Articles often come up as PR6 just from these internal links...

[Fraggler]

Implementer, your site has no content so you are expecting to get traffic from your backlinks? You need to do that manually or at least more targeted if you want conversions for that type of site. Hit the right type of forums and social networking groups. 30k attempts sounds like you are using xrumer or a blog spammer. Did you select the list of drops or did you just pay for a blast? Users rarely read comments unless the site is quality. When they do read it they will be aware of spammers too. You must have a pretty decent avatar to get readers to click through and then sign up. You need to adjust your approach for the method you are using.

BTW, If you want to see Google backlinks then have a look in Webmaster Tools.

[Fraggler]

That website just uses site:www..com

I checked that before and your site was in the Google Index.

Google doesn't show many links to the public browser. Use Google Webmaster Tools for a better idea.

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by Implementer

OK, now I know why the website doesn't show in Google. I went to
this site
Google Banned Site Checker-SEO Tools-Search Engine Optimization Tool-SEG

which has a "Google banned site checker tool" and found
that my site is either banned or has never been crawled. Below are
the reasons that a site could be banned from Google:


""Google Banned site Checker is an innovative tool that can help you save your time. Many sites are being banned because they copy the same content on multiple pages to get page views. Another way where the website gets banned is cloaking i.e. designing the website in such a way where Google views the website in one way and the netizens have the website being displayed in another way. Further reasons in which there are chances your website may get banned is hiding the keywords such that the background color and the font color matches, this is referred to as Keyword Stuffing or Font Matching.
""
Hmmmmm.....

"an innovative tool" which probably does nothing else than querying google for site:sitename.com......

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Implementer

...my comments are not spammy

Huh? How can 18,000, that's EIGHTEEN THOUSAND, blog comments not be...well...spam? Please explain that one to me. I would love to know how you manage to make useful, relevant, meaningful and personal comments for 18,000 blog comments straight.

No disrespect intended but as far as I am concerned anybody who engages in flooding blogs with thousands and thousands of comments deserves every single lost position caused by sandboxing (if there even is such a thing...not a SINGLE one of my site has EVER been sandboxed to date. Not a one but then again I don't engage in comment flooding or anything of the sort).

Carlos

[sarahberra]

Sometimes back links take time to show up. If your article is ranking high then you should be getting good traffic if their are enough people searching for those keywords.

[aboutusnow]

This is one reason that I absolutely love article marketing. I like to rank highly in Google with no extra work.

The other day I posted an article on my website. I waited a little and posted the exact same article on EZA. Funny, my EZA article ranked highly for a totally different keyword (although related) and brought me in a good bit of traffic just because of the power of EZA.

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Implementer

I have a list of 5,000 NBA blogs, I can post this statement "anybody see the video of Greg Odens knee getting hammered?" and it will always be accepted.
A 5 minute read of the news of the worst injury or the best dunk is all one needs.
We're talking fans here.

Implementer

Hmm...interesting. Well...I suppose such a method could allow you to then leave an interesting, relevant, and useful comment on the blogs then. Though I still lean toward looking on that as spam since you are flooding the blogs with the same exact comment.

I think I read somewhere that Google is aware of these types of methods and that they are discounting if not entirely ignoring most such blog comment postings these days with respect to giving much link juice through them.

Have you found your commenting approach to actually give you higher ranking? If so how have you determined that to be the case? I mean how have you been able to attach any higher ranking to your comment posting?

Just curious.

Carlos

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Big G sees them as an authority because of the sheer mass of content related to various niches and gives them the same favor that they do "regular" authority sites.

They may indeed give ezine the site, favor, but that does not mean that they give the same favor to individual articles.

I was at Google's Webmaster Forum discussing something a couple of days ago and they basically said that Google pretty much ignores backlinks from ezine articles these days. They are aware of everyone trying to get backlinks from ezine and that as such they have been heavily discounted.

I don't know who to believe these days but I think it is safe to say that ezine type article backlinks are discounted these days though to what degree I am not sure.

Carlos

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Implementer

But really Carlos, to be quite Honest, if I have to leave a slightly spammy post that is well written and not really detectable to earn a living, so be it. As I read ALL the other posts on the same blogs, and then click on their links to verify, I'm the only one that really cares, go check it out....
Impementer......with respect to Carlos

Howdy Implementer.

Yeah...I agree with you about doing something even if it is a bit spammy (though just slightly mind you ) to make a living. There's nothing wrong with that. You are making wise use of the way things are on the internet. Nothing illegal or morally wrong with that at all as far as I am concerned. Just a bit...well...spammy but hey, if you can make tons of money by ranking your sites higher that way and if Google does not have a problem with it in terms of what they come down on...why not?

I am still working my way through with how exactly I am going to market my own sites. I don't mean from a practical standpoint (though that also) but rather from an ethical/moral standpoint.

As an Adsense publisher I explicitly agreed to abide by Google's TOS and Webmaster guidelines incorporated therein. I feel conscience bound to abide by what I agree to.

At the same time, and this is another thing that I got into an animated discussion on Google's Webmaster Forum about is it fair for me to put myself into the straightjacket of abiding by the letter of Google's policies and desires for me as a webmaster when they themselves do not enforce some technical violations of their rules? No it isn't.

I give my competitors an advantage by not bending the rules to the degree that Google itself allows.

That's what I have managed to work out in my own thinking on how I can ethically/morally do internet marketing while maintaining a clean conscience respecting what I agree to.

Do things as much as possible within the letter and spirit of Google's TOS and policies. But when competitors start doing things to outrank me, things which are not in line with Google's rules per se, as long as Google itself does not come down on such technical violations...I should take advantage of what Google allows.

I am still working through how I might do things under that new "philosophy" of operating for me since there is a thin line between what I am saying and throwing all need to abide by agreements I make out the window to do anything and everything to follow after the god of money (something I most definitely don't want to do).

It's a balancing act. Something I've never been good at. I am fundamentally a black and white type of guy.

Carlos

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Implementer

As much as I agree with what your are saying and what you think
you know, sometimes I think that what you have been told is what
they think you should believe. I sometimes wonder if google just
screeewwwwwing with us, ya know????

It's hard to say what Google is up to Implementer. I mean sometimes I think they have got to be the dumbest company around. I mean this here forum is available for all the world to see.

If I was Google I would come on here and make it my business to study what people here say. I would purchase WSO's, join their private forums, whatever to get inside information to knock out most thin, MFA type web sites, out of existance.

I mean anyone can enter a certain query into Google and find thousands of sites made in line with John's (XFactor's) sites. Many if not most all of those sites are considered spammy, MFA type sites by Google if I am not mistaken. Many of those sites seem to have scraped content.

I don't build my Adsense sites that way but hey...it's a free internet right?

But my point is that Google could come along and knock them all out in one fell swoop if they wanted to by knocking out all sites that use the same About Me page found on so many such sites. Sure they might knock out some legitimate and valuable sites that way too but they would clean up search a lot.

But...they don't do that. Why not? Beats me.

I think in part it's because their focus is on algorithmic solutions to what they consider spam. Not one of a kind querying to knock out specific "spamming" movements.

In other words whatever algorithmic solution they settle on it has to apply across the board to everyone and apparently they have not been able to and may never be able to come up with a solution that applies to everyone fairly that does not also knock out a bunch of legitimate sites. So the "spammy" type sites remain.

It's a tough situation for them. One that has no easy or perhaps any solution at all.

The tougher they make their algorithm to knock out "spam" the more legitimate sites they knock out with the resultant backlash. The less stringent they make their algorithm the more "spammy" sites they let in. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't type of thing. Not an enviable position to be in.

Hopefully we can make money by taking advantage of the cracks in their algorithm if we must, cracks that they allow and knowingly so (they are not completely stupid though sometimes I do wonder if their high fulluting Phd types have gotten lost in their braineness sometimes). I prefer to make money as much into the ethical side of things as possible and to not have to resort to taking advantage of cracks in their algorithm if I must but sometimes...taking advantage of a crack is the only way we can compete with one another and with others who are all falling over each other to get top ranking.

Carlos

[carlos123]

Now this is REALLY funny. I am keeping a file loaded with Adsense and SEO tid bits and quotes that I find to be really useful. Kind of making my own Adsense guide as I go.

This is the FIRST time, ever (which I can remember) that I thought of something I said as being...well...quotable such that I copied and pasted what I said into my file as a notable quote! LOL

That's funny!

Here's the quote. It's worth repeating I think...

Do things as much as possible within the letter and spirit of Google's TOS and policies. But when competitors start doing things to outrank me, things which are not in line with Google's rules per se, as long as Google itself does not come down on such technical violations...I should take advantage of what Google allows.

Carlos

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Implementer

Then, I got an email from some
guroooo where he said he was able to put up 1,000 per day and his
goal was 30,000 per month!!

Hi Implementer. That kind of volume just makes me think that whoever is doing that is simply cutting their own throat. I mean with respect to how he/she is trashing the very internet that is allowing us all to make a living (hopefully). The more trash we throw up the more trashy it will become.

Although Google does a fair (notice I did not say good) job in keeping the spam down at some point it falls on us to not fill the internet with trash just to make a buck.

We should care enough about the internet to not do that. 1000 blogs per day?? That's just nuts if you ask me.

Carlos

[lucygary]

Try to write fresh content in your article.Google like fresh and unique content.

[Psy]

They do show up..

E.g. if you have market samurai, and input the KW as:

site:ezinearticles.com teeth

And look at the SEO competition tab, you'll see that the first 7 results have backlinks - two of them have more than 2,000 backlinks!

So when there are no results showing for backlinks, it should be because genuinely there are no backlinks to the articles. A number of my articles will be top 10, but many I haven't taken the time to create backlinks to. Once I get a VA sorted out, that will change. And you can spam the hell out of ezine backlinks because it'll never get sandboxed

[DrLegend]

I actually have two backlinks from eZine registered by Yahoo site explorer.
But all the other articles don't give visible backlinks. So, I'm also looking for an answer here.