Profiles Link building Best Practices?

[Daniel McGonagle]

I know that profiles link building is wildly popular nowadays, and have been doing some minor testing and a lot of reading about this.

As a NON-expert on this type of link building here's what I've gleaned is the best ways to do this type of thing.

PLEASE correct me if I am wrong here or just add to it so we can have some sort of Profiles Linking Best Practices Guide in place:


They say you will increase your chances of keeping your accounts/profiles active if you do NOT places urls or fill out biography in profile right away.

Question:

Is there a software that will first create and register at these sites, then go back at a later time to fill in the blanks? I know several that do it all at once, but it seems counter productive to use automation when it decreases your chances of links sticking...

Question:

How soon after initial registration do you go back and fill in bio (so you get links)?

They say finding your own "packets" will increase the # of profiles that remain active (lower percentage of profile deletions)

Question :

Does this make the most popular packets packages something to be avoided?

Question :

How are people finding these websites that are Dofollow and allowing free membership (Google-ing register.php ?)

They say that giving special manual attention to your profiles and spinning your biographies or profiles information will give you more benefits...

Question:

No matter how much you spin an article or a free profile bio, there will still be a "discounting" of content while some will remain. I'm not gonna debate this, but the fact remains that 30 verbatim articles can all get indexed but at some point, some of those 30 will get de-indexed.

So, is it better to give that extra special manual attention to each and every profile you make, and make them all unique which could easily be in the hundreds?

Or do you merely leave profiles info and bios as blank as possible and just a URL behind?

Seems to me that a flesh-ed out profile stand less of a chance of deletion but may be deemed as content and treated as such.

They say that some software works better than other for doing profiles creations, and there choices seem to be varied.

I tried Brute Force Linking Loophole and it wasn't as automated as I'd like it to be, plus its success ratios were poor.

SEO Link Dominator is less automated it seems and more of a fancy form filling software than a super 100% automated tool that fails half the time.

Seems to me that SEO LD, while manual... will have higher success ratios for postings... SEO LD also allows for import of other links packets people are buying which is good.

Sick Profile Maker looks good, too and will allow for links packets imports but is really a beta tool that has yet to prove itself.

SE NUKE'S latest version reportedly has profiles makers in it, any idea how that's working for people?

They say that profiles link building works well, but most people who say this are exerting multiple external influences on the sites they say benefited...

Question:

Has anyone taken a brand new site and built links to it only using profiles links packets? If so, what was the competition for your site/niche like and how long did it take for these links to affect your SERPs

Question:

If you've done this extensively, what percentage of your profiles are sticking, and what have you done to increase the effectiveness of using this link building method.

I appreciate your input and feedback here, especially guys like Paul, Terry K, Steve H and others plus Angela of course .

I am hoping that knowledgeable people will respond to this thread so we can make sure everyone who is "into this" knows the best way to go about doing this


Thanks,

Dan

[turbohips]

Wow tons of questions here buddy. Let's start with a simple list of things that I do and perhaps you might want to follow.

1. create all accounts by hand and do not use automated software.
2. do not post any links in your profile nor signature for at least 2 weeks.
3. set up a list of things to do
4. do not bother with web 2.0 sites, bookmarking or RSS feeds
5. keep going though steps 1-4 forever and you'll be much better off than reading new ways to get links.

[Daniel McGonagle]

OK, thanks

RE: #1

When you say don't use automated software, does that include SEO Link dominator?

RE: #3

What would "list of things to do" be.. remembering which profiles were created when, so you know to go back in 2 weeks, or something else?

RE: #4

Are you saying don't create web 2.0 profiles for backlinks or just NOT to bother with bookmarking your profiles urls and what not?

Thanks for the feedback here, I haven't seen anyone state emphatically how best results are achieved with these high Page Rank sites profiles link building techniques, except for Terry Kyle's ebook on this subject.

TURBO, are you seeing results with this method and if so, what links packets are you using?

Thanks buddy!

Dan

Originally Posted by turbohips

Wow tons of questions here buddy. Let's start with a simple list of things that I do and perhaps you might want to follow.

1. create all accounts by hand and do not use automated software.
2. do not post any links in your profile nor signature for at least 2 weeks.
3. set up a list of things to do
4. do not bother with web 2.0 sites, bookmarking or RSS feeds
5. keep going though steps 1-4 forever and you'll be much better off than reading new ways to get links.

[Tom Goodwin]

As someone who does a lot of profile backlinking, here are my thoughts on staying under the radar.

(1) do a "two pass" signup. That is, signup and then come back and post your links. I try to wait at least 7 days, but I always wait at least 48 hours. Moderators routinely check the very new accounts, and I don't want my acai berry signature block up at that point

(2) ***use a real name. I can't stand it when programs like Evo II basically tell you that you should use your keyword as your name (their autoname generator does just that). SENuke also recommends this. IMHO, it is a total joke. If you want to have a profile account that calls out to a moderator, go ahead and use your keyword as your name.

(3) use a male name, not a female name. All of us men are pervs. I am convinced that men are about 10x more likely to click on a female username's profile out of curiousity than a man's name.

(4) use non "free" email account for signups. So, no gmail, yahoo, hotmail. etc. Many sites don't accept these anyways. I simply create tons of email accounts on the domains that I own and then forward them all to the same yahoo account of mine.

(5) DON'T put in a scammy URL when you are signing up, assuming that you plan on coming back to put in anchored text links later. If the signup needs mod approval, or even if it doesn't, I don't want my new profile coming through to his inbox with my scammy URL in it. If I want the URL in the profile, I come back later to add it on the second pass.

(6) For sites (1) that allow anchored links and (2) have a memberlist, consider not putting in anything into the unanchored URL slot. In particular, certain platforms you can scroll down the memberlist and I could catch all the scammy links in about 30 seconds by just looking at where the URLs point to, without ever having to go to that person's profile. So, as a standard practice now, if I can leave anchored links, I don't put in any URL in the unanchored URL slot.


Now, as far as putting in profile pictures or filling in tons of other personal stuff to personalize things, as far as I'm concerned, I have a absurdly high "stick" rate of links/profiles using the above 6 rules. It is not time or cost effective for me to beef things up, as that time/money could be spent putting up more profiles.

As far as tools...not 100% automation tool works well with profile links. Evo II was horrible for me, same with the junior version...linking loophole.

I wholeheartedly endorse Link Dominator. It never claimed to be fully automated, but it makes my life so much easier. Also, it does a great job of saving signups, so you can signup and then come back whenever you want to later and go to the sites that still need you to post your links.

Tom

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by turbohips

Wow tons of questions here buddy. Let's start with a simple list of things that I do and perhaps you might want to follow.

1. create all accounts by hand and do not use automated software.
2. do not post any links in your profile nor signature for at least 2 weeks.
3. set up a list of things to do
4. do not bother with web 2.0 sites, bookmarking or RSS feeds
5. keep going though steps 1-4 forever and you'll be much better off than reading new ways to get links.

I have to agree pretty much with #4. Things like RSS feeds and bookmarking are great for getting sites indexed, but I haven't noticed any real budge for long term ranking. Not to mention that they pretty much never show up in backlink searches.

[Jacob Martus]

I can answer as to the question about only using profile links with two answers.

1.) 3 months ago, I was relying on nothing but profile backlinks and it worked very well initially...however I notice that if I do not continually build these profiles my rankings suffer and they suffer quickly. The competition was medium to high competition and decent search volume, around 5000 exact match per month.

2.) Lately, I'm talking in the last two weeks, I am seeing very little benefit from my profile link building. Now this could be for a few reasons which I will list below:

1.) My link profile is too highly saturated with profile backlinks.
2.) Caffeine has discounted the value on these profile backlinks.
3.) Not varying my anchor text enough??? (this one goes against what angela advises in her packet. She says to only target one keyword phrase for the best results. However I am pretty much convinced that it is 100% necessary to use different anchor text but all targeting the same product. For example I'll use LG rumor phone. If I only use one anchor text of buy LG rumor phone for too long, the profile backlinks seem to have less and less effect. However, now that I started using 2 to 3 different anchor texts, (i.e. LG rumor, spring rumor phone) <--- purely an example. I have been seeing better results varying the anchor text lately.

Those are the only 3 reasons that I can think of that my profile links aren't as powerful as they were 2 to 3 months ago.

I would also advise that you fill out every single part of the profile that you can whether it be with your real name or an alias. I always put as much info in there as I can along with a picture. This makes the profile look much less spammy and when combined with only 1 or 2 at most backlinks, my profiles stick very well. I put the links in immediately but I always have an expansive profile including a picture. It's really hard to even notice the backlinks on some profiles if you have all the extra info filled out. Also I think a webmaster that sees a completed profile is less likely to spot the backlinks or think they are as spammy.

These are all just purely opinion. I have found that varying my backlinking strategy between profile backlinks, dofollow blog comments, and web 2.0 sites has shown the best results both in movement in the SERPS and with sticking at the position that I achieve.

Hope that answered some questions without being too confusing. I'm not the best at laying things out clearly on here...because I'm usually in a hurry with posting.

[Mattk]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

(3) use a male name, not a female name. All of us men are pervs. I am convinced that men are about 10x more likely to click on a female username's profile out of curiousity than a man's name.

That's good stuff!

[Tom Goodwin]

2-3 weeks is really way to sort of a time span to see if something is affecting your rankings or not. I know certain people in their products advertise virtually overnight success, but I don't judge anything by less than 2 month intervals anymore.

Originally Posted by Jacob Martus

I can answer as to the question about only using profile links with two answers.

1.) 3 months ago, I was relying on nothing but profile backlinks and it worked very well initially...however I notice that if I do not continually build these profiles my rankings suffer and they suffer quickly. The competition was medium to high competition and decent search volume, around 5000 exact match per month.

2.) Lately, I'm talking in the last two weeks, I am seeing very little benefit from my profile link building. Now this could be for a few reasons which I will list below:

1.) My link profile is too highly saturated with profile backlinks.
2.) Caffeine has discounted the value on these profile backlinks.
3.) Not varying my anchor text enough??? (this one goes against what angela advises in her packet. She says to only target one keyword phrase for the best results. However I am pretty much convinced that it is 100% necessary to use different anchor text but all targeting the same product. For example I'll use LG rumor phone. If I only use one anchor text of buy LG rumor phone for too long, the profile backlinks seem to have less and less effect. However, now that I started using 2 to 3 different anchor texts, (i.e. LG rumor, spring rumor phone) <--- purely an example. I have been seeing better results varying the anchor text lately.

Those are the only 3 reasons that I can think of that my profile links aren't as powerful as they were 2 to 3 months ago.

I would also advise that you fill out every single part of the profile that you can whether it be with your real name or an alias. I always put as much info in there as I can along with a picture. This makes the profile look much less spammy and when combined with only 1 or 2 at most backlinks, my profiles stick very well. I put the links in immediately but I always have an expansive profile including a picture. It's really hard to even notice the backlinks on some profiles if you have all the extra info filled out. Also I think a webmaster that sees a completed profile is less likely to spot the backlinks or think they are as spammy.

These are all just purely opinion. I have found that varying my backlinking strategy between profile backlinks, dofollow blog comments, and web 2.0 sites has shown the best results both in movement in the SERPS and with sticking at the position that I achieve.

Hope that answered some questions without being too confusing. I'm not the best at laying things out clearly on here...because I'm usually in a hurry with posting.

[halfpoint]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

They say you will increase your chances of keeping your accounts/profiles active if you do NOT places urls or fill out biography in profile right away.

I don't subscribe to this theory at all. I leave all of my links straight away and I have a high rate of them sticking. The key is to use sites that are very busy.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Is there a software that will first create and register at these sites, then go back at a later time to fill in the blanks? I know several that do it all at once, but it seems counter productive to use automation when it decreases your chances of links sticking...

I don't know of a software, however, I'm sure you could go to one of the popular outsourcing sites and have someone create accounts for you at a small cost.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

How soon after initial registration do you go back and fill in bio (so you get links)?

They say finding your own "packets" will increase the # of profiles that remain active (lower percentage of profile deletions)

As I said before, I don't wait at all.

For the people who do wait, the general rule is to wait until your profile is no longer on the "Newly Registered Users" list. A few days to a week would be fine if you want to do it that way, but again, you don't need to wait.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Does this make the most popular packets packages something to be avoided?

Yes. When a huge amount of people are suddenly going after the same sites at the one time, the moderators of the sites are going to be all over new profiles and deleting them like crazy.

Creating your own list of sites is imperative. By doing this you ensure that there isn't going to be a huge influx of people creating accounts at the same sites and at the same time as you which helps keep you off the radar.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

How are people finding these websites that are Dofollow and allowing free membership (Google-ing register.php ?)

Yes. There are quite a few different methods for finding them. You need to find the most popular platforms and then find out a good search string of finding them in Google.

For example, "Powered by SMF" will return plenty of forums that allow profile links.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

No matter how much you spin an article or a free profile bio, there will still be a "discounting" of content while some will remain. I'm not gonna debate this, but the fact remains that 30 verbatim articles can all get indexed but at some point, some of those 30 will get de-indexed.

So, is it better to give that extra special manual attention to each and every profile you make, and make them all unique which could easily be in the hundreds?

Or do you merely leave profiles info and bios as blank as possible and just a URL behind?

Seems to me that a flesh-ed out profile stand less of a chance of deletion but may be deemed as content and treated as such.

I always use an avatar, but apart from that my links are the only other things on my profile.

My goal when creating profiles is to create as many as possible as fast as possible.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

They say that some software works better than other for doing profiles creations, and there choices seem to be varied.

I tried Brute Force Linking Loophole and it wasn't as automated as I'd like it to be, plus its success ratios were poor.

SEO Link Dominator is less automated it seems and more of a fancy form filling software than a super 100% automated tool that fails half the time.

Seems to me that SEO LD, while manual... will have higher success ratios for postings... SEO LD also allows for import of other links packets people are buying which is good.

Sick Profile Maker looks good, too and will allow for links packets imports but is really a beta tool that has yet to prove itself.

I have contemplated purchasing a few different types of software, however, in the end I've found that I can do it just as fast manually.

I simply have all of my url's in html form in an excel file and I use Roboform. I also have a html to bbcode converter opened in my browser for sites that use it.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Has anyone taken a brand new site and built links to it only using profiles links packets? If so, what was the competition for your site/niche like and how long did it take for these links to affect your SERPs

Have a read through Terry Kyle's thread. When I've spoken to him he has stated that he uses predominately only profile links for all of sites. Both new and old.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

If you've done this extensively, what percentage of your profiles are sticking, and what have you done to increase the effectiveness of using this link building method.

I don't have an exact figure, but I would estimate 90% stick. The key is to keep finding new sites and deleting the ones that are deleting your profiles.

In terms of boosting the profiles, there are a few things I do.

1. Using Ice Rocket, I create an RSS feed from my profile and submit them to RSS aggregators using RSSBot.

2. I bookmark all of my profiles and my RSS feeds using Bookmarking Demon.

I have also just purchased the WSO - Backlink Booster. Basically, you create heaps of web 2.0 accounts and every time you create a profile you can click a "Boost" button on your browser and it will automatically update all of the web 2.0 sites with a link to your profile.

I can't believe it has taken me this long to buy it. I would definitely recommend it.

[Daniel McGonagle]

OK so far we got

Don't use automated software - 2 people said manual method works fine
Use semi-automated software - some people recommended SEO Link Dominator

Posting links immediately is OK

Wait 7 days before posting a link
Wait 2 or 3weeks before posting a link (Tom + kkchoon's recommendation)

use real names, your name even

Don't use female names

Don't use free email addresses
don't use EVO II for this
don't put keywords in profile names ( I agree!)
"flesh out" your profiles as much as possible

SEO Link Dominator allows for registration, THEN going back for profile filling out including urls, so if you believe what people say about waiting a week post-registration before going back to flesh out a profile, this tool does that.

Backlink booster is recommended for ensuring indexing of profiles pages (Dan Thies says don't bother with that, profiles urls get indexed pretty much on their own...is your warrior profile indexed?)

Angela's links still work
Don't use Angela's links find your own

Vary your anchor text?:

Angela says NO
Terry Kyle says NO
Jacob says YES

Jacob might be seeing decreasing rate of returns if he's getting backlinks from all these same IP to sites hosting on same IP, who knows?

If profiles get deleted for whatever reason, can Backlink booster REMOVE dead broken links from all your web 2.0 profiles?

Common denominators for successful profiles link building?

Profiles link building works if you're consistent about it.

I defer to the authority of ALL the master profile slink builders here in this forum, but what I'm trying to ascertain here, for myself and good of others, is what are the common denominators here, what's working for everyone?

So far, consistency is the only common denominator that is a requirement for success with this method

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Dan Thies says don't bother with that, profiles urls get indexed pretty much on their own...is your warrior profile indexed?)

i can't put an exact figure on it, but in my opinion this is not given enough emphasis by Angela and as a result, we get at least 2 threads started in here like "I have put up 100 profile links, why are only 3 of them showing up in the backlink searches". I think it is crazy for someone to put forth the effort to put their links up and not do everything in there power to make sure they get indexed.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Tom, I agree 100%, just trying to ascertain whether it's really necessary.

Pinging the profiles urls should do the trick, social bookmarking these urls can only help, adding links to 100s of profiles urls is also possible, too.

Bookmarking Demon has a nice pinger, and there are plenty of other pingers out there, too, SE NUKe, bookmark generator etc...

Question:

These profile slinks...their real value is in numbers, right?

I mean, you can get 900 profiles made linking back to whatever urls you want, so if the value here in the numbers or actual link juice per profile?

In other words, can these profiles urls be treated like a hubpage, where you build links to it so it passes on link juice to destination site?

Can you do more with less here?

Can you make 100 profiles work as well as 900 just by sending more links to less profiles?

Stupid question, I know because these profiles are easy to create, and ping and bookmark etc...

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

i can't put an exact figure on it, but in my opinion this is not given enough emphasis by Angela and as a result, we get at least 2 threads started in here like "I have put up 100 profile links, why are only 3 of them showing up in the backlink searches". I think it is crazy for someone to put forth the effort to put their links up and not do everything in there power to make sure they get indexed.

[Jeff Scott]

We use social profiles for a lot of our SEO projects and here are my observations:

1. Manual - We started off with just Angela's packets and they use to work with a higher degree of acceptance, but now more and more sites are banning/closing registration after the wave of new registrations/spammers. So spending a few hours for only a few links isn't as effective for us anymore to do it manually.

2. It's a numbers game...and you have to treat it that way. Thus, we now complete our profile links only with software/outsourcing. Up until a few weeks ago, we were using Bruteforce Linking Loophole which supposedly automates the process, but with delays of updates and a lower % of it working for us, it wasn't the best, yet still better than manual (especially since there are 100 that come with the base package (the most recent month's links plus the prior months). We wrote our own automation software and still use that with a core set of sites, but now we also incorporate the newer SENuke links to add to our profiels

3. SENuke...as a long-time member, the recent updates they did where you can now do profile links has made it even more powerful. What's especially effective is the email verification. A lot of these sites use account management software that will assign you a new password, so it forces you to actually "read" your email to cut down on the automation of creating accounts. In fact, I just did a video today on it...

Hopefully this is somewhat helpful

[Daniel McGonagle]

Hi Jeff, this confuses me even more...

Are you using SE NUKE for profiles building or are you outsourcing it?

And can I put you down for a "NO" for using Angela's packets if you had a choice between other packets and/or finding your own?

I see you didn't use keywords in your profiles creations as SE nuke offers as an option.

You also have a typo in your Free trAIl order button at bottom of site

Have you used other links packets or just Angela's?

Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

We use social profiles for a lot of our SEO projects and here are my observations:

1. Manual - We started off with just Angela's packets and they use to work with a higher degree of acceptance, but now more and more sites are banning/closing registration after the wave of new registrations/spammers. So spending a few hours for only a few links isn't as effective for us anymore to do it manually.

2. It's a numbers game...and you have to treat it that way. Thus, we now complete our profile links only with software/outsourcing. Up until a few weeks ago, we were using Bruteforce Linking Loophole which supposedly automates the process, but with delays of updates and a lower % of it working for us, it wasn't the best, yet still better than manual (especially since there are 100 that come with the base package (the most recent month's links plus the prior months). We wrote our own automation software and still use that with a core set of sites, but now we also incorporate the newer SENuke links to add to our profiels

3. SENuke...as a long-time member, the recent updates they did where you can now do profile links has made it even more powerful. What's especially effective is the email verification. A lot of these sites use account management software that will assign you a new password, so it forces you to actually "read" your email to cut down on the automation of creating accounts. In fact, I just did a video today on it...

Hopefully this is somewhat helpful

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Have you used other links packets or just Angela's?

Maybe for some very low-lying fruit 30 links a month be sufficient, but for the rest of us, you really need to be much more aggressive when it comes to link building these days. There are other profile backlink games in town, not to mention you can simply find your own sites and then not worry that 5,000 people all flock to the same site on the first of the month.

[Fraggler]

For forum profiles I use an automated solution broken up into 3 parts. Account creation, email verification, profile editing (adding links). Full captcha breaking. Only a very small percentage get deleted. I use real names and real sound email addresses. I do the account creation when I go to bed and post the profiles in the morning. Out of 300 sites, I only got regular deletion from about 10 or so sites - these were removed from my list. I program the bots with iMacros integrated with VBS and PHP (decapchter).

These profiles do appear to help my rankings (compared to sites with and without) but I do variety of comments, web 2.0, article marketing, mini-network linking as well. They do get the ball rolling though.

I am trying to stay away from manual creation to keep my business model scaleable.

[Jeff Scott]

Hey Dan, got your PM and just replied...here are my answers to your questions:

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Hi Jeff, this confuses me even more...

Are you using SE NUKE for profiles building or are you outsourcing it?

Now that SENuke moved away from NoFollow KickApps sites to the more familiar web2.0 profile sites, we are incorporating SENuke profiles into our portfolio. I don't just rely on these, it's part of our bigger profile methodology since, as I mentioned, we treat profile backlinks as a rice-on-wall strategy. We do profile links at the beginning of the month, do them all at the same time (account creation, content posting) and then move on. I'm sure if we nurtured the process by including avatars, waiting a few days to ages, etc. it might increase the amount of profiles that stick, but in my view it's not worth the extra effort.

And can I put you down for a "NO" for using Angela's packets if you had a choice between other packets and/or finding your own?

I do still have a membership with Angela's links, and also a membership with Peter Drew's Linking Loophole which "automates" Angela's list, but they aren't nearly as effective for me as they used to be.

I see you didn't use keywords in your profiles creations as SE nuke offers as an option.

SENuke does allow that, correct. You CAN put in HTML into the profile and we do spin a few variations with HTML, I just didn't do in in my video. Most of the time I don't do it as I'm getting the link in the website field.

You also have a typo in your Free trAIl order button at bottom of site

DOH!!! I'll change that

Have you used other links packets or just Angela's?

Paul's, and Terry Kyle's big packet. I like Terry's personally as most people haven't spammed them nearly as hard as Angela's so I'm able to get the links to stick more. What I've done if found a healthy amount of sites that I know still allow registration, almost never kill profiles, and still have high PR. What I did then was create software that automates the account creation and posting (no email verification so that anytime I have a new project I can run it through my software to build a healthy amount of links to my money site/client's site, or any articles/web2.0 properties that I need.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Tom, thanks for all these replies.

So far the common denominators seem to be evolving into

Be consistent do it a lot, 100s of sites

and find new links sources

There doesn't seem to be much agreement on anything else,

Still hoping to get some clarity here, and I really do appreciate everyone who has given some feedback here, I think it will help a lot of people, myself included.

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Maybe for some very low-lying fruit 30 links a month be sufficient, but for the rest of us, you really need to be much more aggressive when it comes to link building these days. There are other profile backlink games in town, not to mention you can simply find your own sites and then not worry that 5,000 people all flock to the same site on the first of the month.

[Jeff Scott]

Originally Posted by Fraggler

For forum profiles I use an automated solution broken up into 3 parts. Account creation, email verification, profile editing (adding links). Full captcha breaking. Only a very small percentage get deleted. I use real names and real sound email addresses. I do the account creation when I go to bed and post the profiles in the morning. Out of 300 sites, I only got regular deletion from about 10 or so sites - these were removed from my list. I program the bots with iMacros integrated with VBS and PHP (decapchter).

These profiles do appear to help my rankings (compared to sites with and without) but I do variety of comments, web 2.0, article marketing, mini-network linking as well. They do get the ball rolling though.

I am trying to stay away from manual creation to keep my business model scaleable.

Fraggler, you nailed it:

1. Find a list of sites that you can reuse
2. Automated it using iMacros, or Ubot
3. Incorporate profiles as only a PART of the strategy, and make sure to do articles, blog comments, social bookmarks, etc to diversify your backlink profile

[Daniel McGonagle]

Thanks for the feedback, this is great stuff everyone!

Seems like you might have a good success ratio with forums due to a minimal delay between registering and posting links, profiles or whatever?

Have you ever tried posting info and links to profiles sooner rather than later, and did that affect success ratios?

Are these Dofollow forums where you're creating member profiles?

Mind sharing the name of the software you're using for this?

Please excuse all the questions... just trying to get to the bottom of things here

Thanks everyone,

Dan

Originally Posted by Fraggler

For forum profiles I use an automated solution broken up into 3 parts. Account creation, email verification, profile editing (adding links). Full captcha breaking. Only a very small percentage get deleted. I use real names and real sound email addresses. I do the account creation when I go to bed and post the profiles in the morning. Out of 300 sites, I only got regular deletion from about 10 or so sites - these were removed from my list. I program the bots with iMacros integrated with VBS and PHP (decapchter).

These profiles do appear to help my rankings (compared to sites with and without) but I do variety of comments, web 2.0, article marketing, mini-network linking as well. They do get the ball rolling though.

I am trying to stay away from manual creation to keep my business model scaleable.

[Daniel McGonagle]

OK, thanks Jeff, got your PM and replied, let's talk on phone tomorrow.

Sounds to me like, this process should be automated after all, since the benefits between manual and automated process results in what, 50-100 less backlinks per url being worked on?

Another question I meant to ask was...

What if you're targeting 100 different kws and phrases, that means you have to use 100 different email addresses for registration purposes, correct?

Also, if you create profiles at the same 900 sites are you seeing any decreased rate of returns from multiple backlinks from same source?

Thanks,

Dan

Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

Hey Dan, got your PM and just replied...here are my answers to your questions:



Now that SENuke moved away from NoFollow KickApps sites to the more familiar web2.0 profile sites, we are incorporating SENuke profiles into our portfolio. I don't just rely on these, it's part of our bigger profile methodology since, as I mentioned, we treat profile backlinks as a rice-on-wall strategy. We do profile links at the beginning of the month, do them all at the same time (account creation, content posting) and then move on. I'm sure if we nurtured the process by including avatars, waiting a few days to ages, etc. it might increase the amount of profiles that stick, but in my view it's not worth the extra effort.

I do still have a membership with Angela's links, and also a membership with Peter Drew's Linking Loophole which "automates" Angela's list, but they aren't nearly as effective for me as they used to be.

SENuke does allow that, correct. You CAN put in HTML into the profile and we do spin a few variations with HTML, I just didn't do in in my video. Most of the time I don't do it as I'm getting the link in the website field.

DOH!!! I'll change that

Paul's, and Terry Kyle's big packet. I like Terry's personally as most people haven't spammed them nearly as hard as Angela's so I'm able to get the links to stick more. What I've done if found a healthy amount of sites that I know still allow registration, almost never kill profiles, and still have high PR. What I did then was create software that automates the account creation and posting (no email verification so that anytime I have a new project I can run it through my software to build a healthy amount of links to my money site/client's site, or any articles/web2.0 properties that I need.

[halfpoint]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Sounds to me like, this process should be automated after all, since the benefits between manual and automated process results in what, 50-100 less backlinks per url being worked on?

If someone can come up with a 100% automatic way of doing this, I'll be all over it. Surely it can be done.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Another question I meant to ask was...

What if you're targeting 100 different kws and phrases, that means you have to use 100 different email addresses for registration purposes, correct?

Well, I generally use 2-3 links in each profile. As for email addresses, you have a couple of options;

1. Make heaps of email addresses of a domain you own and have them all forward to the one address. The only problem with this is if a site decides to block your domain.

2. One Gmail account is actually 100's of accounts in one. For example, myemail@gmail.com can also be used as my.email@gmail.com, or mye.mail@gmail.com or myemail+1@gmail.com or myemail+9999@gmail.com.

They all go to the same email address. I have I think 5 Gmail accounts that I use for profile links.

I would go through all of the sites using myemail@gmail.com for all of them and the next time around I would use my.email@gmail.com or whatever variation I wanted. It's a lot easier than constantly creating accounts and most of the sites are unlikely to start banning Gmail.

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Also, if you create profiles at the same 900 sites are you seeing any decreased rate of returns from multiple backlinks from same source?

I only create one profile at each site for each domain I own. For example, if I had 2 domains and there was 2 sites I wanted to get profiles from, I would only create two profiles at each site. One for each domain.

Even if I was targeting 100 keywords at each site I would still do it like this.

[Agz21]

Its important to have a quality backlinks from a different ip sources. If you create 900 backlinks in the same sites, you might get banned. And its still took the same effort as creating 900 different ip's backlinks

[jazbo]

Some great ideas in this thread. As with any linkbuilding method, its vital to mix it up, rather than constantly relying on one source of links. Also do not just build profile links, find other ways to get them.

The advice on doing a run to signup and add profile info, and another run to drop the link a week or so later is gold dust, as is the using a male name.

[shafiqamiami]

great information is collected by this thread..thanks everyone.

[TrafficMystic]

Some good queries and responses here... been a good thread to read...

I've tested a few different strategies on profile links mainly:

(1) creating the signups and links at the same time with little info added
(2) creating the signups and links at the same time with lots info added
(3) creating the signups then waiting 7-10 days before dropping links on the site and add lots of info in BIO etc

I tested these over a 6 week period using 2 different niche sites per test and on different ip addresses.

(I do spin the anchor text and descriptions on each profile / link dropped)

(1) these links had a very high removal rate of 30-40%.
(2) these links had a lower removal rate of around 20%.
(3) these links had a very low removal rate of around 3-5%

This got me thinking that the more 'under the radar' you are the better. This being the case I tested angelas / pauls links and found that if I didn't create the links on the month of release and delayed using the sites in the packets for 2-3 months then signed up most of the links stayed in place.

Also don't drop anymore than 2 links per profile and as others have said use a real name and not something like 'LoseWeightNow' as this can be spotted a mile away as being a spam account.

I personally use a mix of links

- profile
- web 2.0
- articles
- social bookmarking
- rss

On a new site I normally start with a few posts or articles on the site itself. bookmark the site pages and rss feed. Create a bulk of profile signups but don't drop any links.. Create some web 2.0 pages and drop a few links then bookmark them.

Do more profile link building around every 2 day. Then on the 7th day (ish) start to drop my profile links and add all the profile pages links to an rss channel / ping the channel then submit the published rss feed to the rss directories (feedage / icerocket etc) for fast indexing.

I mix in a few articles from ezine / article base and a few others (spinning the content). and Add any page link to an rss feed as well.. If its an existing feed then I re-ping it.

I have found this to work well.. and at the moment the bulk of my links are from profile links with a little mix of others included for diversity.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Is there a software that will first create and register at these sites, then go back at a later time to fill in the blanks? I know several that do it all at once, but it seems counter productive to use automation when it decreases your chances of links sticking..

Quite right. The answer is to use semi automation. Lets face it - Total automation IS spam. No human being is reading the site or ever going to use it. The reason that most sites have captchas is because they want a real human being to be looking at their site when you implement a captchas breaker you are knowingly trying to circumvent the webmasters wishes. With semi automation it shouldn't take anyone longer than a minute or two to drop a link plus there ARE serious benefits. Whenever possible you should try to get an in content link ( like in an about me section) and an automated system that drops the same content over and over is going to be funneled by Google's duplicate content filter.

How soon after initial registration do you go back and fill in bio (so you get links)?

A few days won't hurt but nowadays I rarely wait. It goes back to automation a bit. I try and leave a relevant bio. I find most webmasters don't care about your link if they feel you have an interest in their site. There are of course some that do and it varies according to the subject matter of the site.

Does this make the most popular packets packages something to be avoided?

At this point the politically correct answer is no but the logical one is yes but that depends entirely on how popular. Few hundred using links on a busy site isn't going to matter. Thousands yes. In regard to finding your own I think you need to do both. Getting packets reduces the time that you have to spend finding those and finding your own gives you some hidden gems.

So, is it better to give that extra special manual attention to each and every profile you make, and make them all unique which could easily be in the hundreds?

I think this question comes from people who mine the same kind of site. I normally don't have more than three or four of the same kind of site in my special backlinks. Because the setup on sites is so different theres not as much similarity. Great point about full automation though. Fact is anything that is totally automated is totally patterned. the program does the same thing or slight variations and the more that is the case is the easier it is for Google to potentially devalue it.

They say that some software works better than other for doing profiles creations, and there choices seem to be varied.

To be perfectly honest I still think Roboform with the right setup is better than almost anything I've seen on Warriors. I'm going ahead with completely integrating it into my backlink system with a simple mouse click. Whats more the trial version works forever and is free although the serious backlinker will want to pay the small fee and have more options. Filling in a captcha and verifying email isn't that much of a big deal provided you are not looking for total automation.

Has anyone taken a brand new site and built links to it only using profiles links packets? If so, what was the competition for your site/niche like and how long did it take for these links to affect your SERPs

Like you said there are varying SEO elements besides backlinking. There are no standard answers. However as a recent example I had a guy that had done nothing with his site for awhile use 40+ backlinks from a package of mine and claimed he did nothing else - just about forgot his site - and came back and it was in the top 20 (on 40 backlinks thats not bad - medical niche with a lot of heavy hitters in the top ten) but as you said most people are doing multiple things and should be.

If you've done this extensively, what percentage of your profiles are sticking, and what have you done to increase the effectiveness of using this link building method.

So far I haven't gotten a report of any deletions but one site does seem to have gone no follow and it might be some have been deleted that I haven't noticed. Honestly the number one thing you can do to make your backlink's stick is show a legitimate interest in the site you are leaving the backlink on. in addition don't be so mercenary that you can't respect the site's goals. I don't leave backlinks on a variety of sites - religious, disease oriented sites or any other site that just doesn't seem appropriate to be talking about business. making money etc.

Why push that on a site when there are thousands of more appropriate sites?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Maybe for some very low-lying fruit 30 links a month be sufficient, but for the rest of us, you really need to be much more aggressive when it comes to link building these days. There are other profile backlink games in town, not to mention you can simply find your own sites and then not worry that 5,000 people all flock to the same site on the first of the month.

Tom you have made some great points in this thread. Good stuff. I've gotten to the point now that I kind of "drip feed" my backlinks. Spread out the release. If some of the more popular systems would do this it would help greatly. You could have 2000 backlinks left on a site and it would be no bug deal if it were 70 a day on a busy site. 2000 in a day or two is like setting off an alarm.

In regard to pinging I have my own question - because I have yet to ping a backlink site (although I am sure I will). If a backlink needs to be pinged how much value is it? I kind of feel that most of your backlinks shouldn't need it if they are being properly indexed (and high PR sites should be).

[Jacob Martus]

Jacob might be seeing decreasing rate of returns if he's getting backlinks from all these same IP to sites hosting on same IP, who knows?

That sounds plausible...but how do I stop that? I use cable internet with a static IP address so I can't just up and change it. I do have some ip hiding software but it slows down my internet connection significantly because it uses proxys. Anyone know a way around that?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Jacob Martus

That sounds plausible...but how do I stop that? I use cable internet with a static IP address so I can't just up and change it. I do have some ip hiding software but it slows down my internet connection significantly because it uses proxys. Anyone know a way around that?

Jacob I think he is talking about the IP the sites you backlink from have not your cable connection. Same Ip address of your connection only comes into play if you are leaving multiple links under multiple profile accounts.

Proxies or a dial up account are the only two ways I know around that issue.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Mike, thanks for chiming in, I wish Terry K would get his butt over to this thread, too

I appreciate all responses and responders here, there seems to be some common factors evolving but the more people who have experience with this chime in, the more nuggets, gold dust, etc.... we'll end up with.

So far so good, but still many various approaches being used....and working!

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Tom you have made some great points in this thread. Good stuff. I've gotten to the point now that I kind of "drip feed" my backlinks. Spread out the release. If some of the more popular systems would do this it would help greatly. You could have 2000 backlinks left on a site and it would be no bug deal if it were 70 a day on a busy site. 2000 in a day or two is like setting off an alarm.

In regard to pinging I have my own question - because I have yet to ping a backlink site (although I am sure I will). If a backlink needs to be pinged how much value is it? I kind of feel that most of your backlinks shouldn't need it if they are being properly indexed (and high PR sites should be).

[Daniel McGonagle]

So far people are saying to....

1- automate, because it saves time
2- do not automate because it becomes more effective that way

1- post links right away to fleshed out profiles
2- wait a while before fleshing out profiles, register first, then come back

use your real name, or male name

1- don't ping your profiles urls, no need
2- do everything you can to get profiles urls noticed

NOTE: (dropping a huge list of urls into a pinger and letting it run takes 20 seconds to do, so my opinion here is, the profiles should get indexed on their own, but pinging them should be done because it's so easy to do and can be done in one fell swoop)

Angela's links vs finding your own

1- Use the popular links packets, they still have value
2- Don't use the most popular links packets
3- When using the popular links packets, be more prudent than others...wait a month or so before posting there, to avoid the "bum-rush" of new profile creations
4- Use Terry's link packets they're less spammed

****Find your own sites that are of high PR and DoFollow*****

I do see the conventional wisdom leaning towards

using semi-automation for registering and posting,
using real names in profiles,
using multiple emails addresses via sub-gmails or cpanel email forwarding,

and that better results come from using sites that are less heavily spammed, and by results I mean the # of profiles that remain undeleted, not the "power" of these links.

[DASHBOY]

Hey, I don't think that there are software to fill the URL as well as the bio, As far as every website has different styles, It is hard to get a common AUTOMATED software to fill all those. Isn't?

[GeorgR.]

You people STILL think profile links are good?

[Branlan17]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

You people STILL think profile links are good?

Enlighten us.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

You people STILL think profile links are good?

Just George aka "Mr. Article links" messing with us

[Daniel McGonagle]

OK, I decided to go with Sick Profile Maker here for a number of reasons:

1- You can register first, then come back later to do the profile fill outs

2- They have semi-unique/not hammered yet lists of places to create profiles on

3- Will soon have ability to import other types of links packets, much like SEO Link Dominator does.

4- For 19.99/month, you get to use software and get new packets every month.

Once we got issues sorted out with the failures we were able to get 5/5 profiles created successfully.

Testing it out:

Based on advice given here;

I will register first
Wait a week
Flesh out the profiles
"promote the promoters" via pinging bookmarking etc..

I have an "X factor" site that's page 3 right now for the main keyword...with no backlinks to it and it seems to have settled there so it looks like a solid starting point.

I also have some "sniper" sites sitting at page 2 waiting for some backlinks to push it to page 1.

These are sites that are competing for relatively low competition terms and phrases.

I'm starting with easy stuff since I'll only have 130 sites to start with.

Since I have Bookmarking Demon and various other tools to use, I'll bookmark and ping the list of profiles urls (will only take 30 minutes to bookmark and ping 130 urls, 5 minutes to set up).

Thanks to all who chimed in with some advice here, it's appreciated.

As always its best to learn on your own what really works, especially when there aren't many "common denominators"

[turbohips]

Wow this thread has picked up some traction from my last post and people are commenting on my points which is a great thing. Let me expand a tad so people know what's been working for me.

1. I do use female names as they seem to stick longer for me. Perhaps others say different.
2. I no longer use SENuke as it didn't produce any real results for me as expected.
3. I do wait at least 4 days before adding links on my profiles.
4. Vary the types of links such as blogs and forum profiles including countries that host them.
5. I make sure I have a different IP address when creating links (very important)
6. I avoid any link wheels and only post to my domain and inner pages. Mostly directly to my domains.
7. Only use automated software for blog posts.
8. Do not concentrate if links are indexed at all. Rather spend my time on building a ridicules amount of links instead. I end up getting way more done that way.
9. Make other domains to build them up with high PR so that I can link back to my money sites or client sites.
10. Insure my key words are heavily anchor text by making obscene amounts of links.

Guys, it's a numbers game seriously. Keep working and do less researching and you'll be ahead of the game by at least 99% of the people here reading this post minus me of course lol.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Hi, thanks for coming back.

After all the different feedback here, I've gone ahead with this knowing that everyone has different ways of doing it I guess and the common thread merely seems to be...

Wait a while before posting links and fleshing out profiles.

Now, with that said i'm off to the races


One thing I will do moving forward is investigate how to find my own sources and make sure they're importable into Sick Profile Maker, if not then I will try SEO Link Dominator.

If not, I will just have my own software created...

Thanks to EVERYONE who participated in this discussion

More feedback is welcome of course.

Originally Posted by turbohips

Wow this thread has picked up some traction from my last post and people are commenting on my points which is a great thing. Let me expand a tad so people know what's been working for me.

1. I do use female names as they seem to stick longer for me. Perhaps others say different.
2. I no longer use SENuke as it didn't produce any real results for me as expected.
3. I do wait at least 4 days before adding links on my profiles.
4. Vary the types of links such as blogs and forum profiles including countries that host them.
5. I make sure I have a different IP address when creating links (very important)
6. I avoid any link wheels and only post to my domain and inner pages. Mostly directly to my domains.
7. Only use automated software for blog posts.
8. Do not concentrate if links are indexed at all. Rather spend my time on building a ridicules amount of links instead. I end up getting way more done that way.
9. Make other domains to build them up with high PR so that I can link back to my money sites or client sites.
10. Insure my key words are heavily anchor text by making obscene amounts of links.

Guys, it's a numbers game seriously. Keep working and do less researching and you'll be ahead of the game by at least 99% of the people here reading this post minus me of course lol.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

4- For 19.99/month, you get to use software and get new packets every month.

How many backlinks in each packet? I am upgrading my present system to something very similar using free software and want to see how it compares to my present price point.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Hey Mike, I am a member of your WSO with the drip-fed semi-unique links lists given to each member.

Haven't done anything with it yet since there doesn't seem to have any software associated with it, and joined more to glean how to find my own sites more than anything else.

Theirs comes with 100-130 sites list, semi-unique as well, or rather... some are popular places that have been hit hard already I guess and some that haven't.

When are you going to offer the license to create own system as promised in the WSO, which was my second reason for joining that membership?

Thanks,

Dan

P.S. You can PM the answer if you like

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

How many backlinks in each packet? I am upgrading my present system to something very similar using free software and want to see how it compares to my present price point.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Theirs comes with 100-130 sites list, semi-unique as well, or rather... some are popular places that have been hit hard already I guess and some that haven't.

Are they going to give you a hundred each month? If not $20 per month is pricey. I've tested a number of software packages and to be quite honest besides captcha breakers (Which you generally have ongoing additional costs for) none to me do anything better than Roboform. The only thing that it doesn't do that the software I have seen do is load and launch the sites. Beginning next week my system will launch the sites with a click and in testing I 've been able to drop a link in a minute or two and yet its still semi manual and allows you to do any variation, copy and pasting and anything else you want to do - including using Firefox or IE. So frankly if you have a way of loading and launching the sites I don' t see the big deal with a lot of backlinking software out there. Many are just reinventing the wheel and roboform is free up to two or three profiles. ($25 I believe for full version).

Roboform is just so mature and has no glitches. I just haven't found anything compelling in anything else and for most of my single site users forever free. Mind you I really don't do much pinging. My subscribers have reported the sites mostly get indexed in a week or less

When are you going to offer the license to create own system as promised in the WSO, which was my second reason for joining that membership?

I guess right now

Honestly I had thought people would have jumped all over that offer (given how well almost all backlink packages sell and that this comes with a total display app - not just a pdf) but you are the very first to express any interest at all in it. I thought I had completely missed the boat in offering a PLR backlink system. I was eventually going to put the offer up in the membershio area but seeing as very few seemed interested in it I had postponed doing it.

Will PM you tomorrow (late on the east coast now).

[Daniel McGonagle]

Mike, give me a call tomorrow, I PM-ed you my cell # I am EST too

I didn't see any offer from you saying,

Hey get this plr license so I was waiting on you for that

Put me down for 1, keep it reasonable eh?

The software I decided to go with in lieu of any other better clear cut options gives you an additional 30 links a month I believe, could be more I don't know.

IMO, the best type of service would be one that teaches people how to get their own lists and import them into software they own for one time fee.

And there's one thing that I have seen that I bet none of you guys have thought of yet, but will definitely be the next wave of "fad" seo services being offered and it's related to this.

I just have to double check one little thing to confirm this

Plz call prior to 3 PM or after 10 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Are they going to give you a hundred each month? If not $20 per month is pricey. I've tested a number of software packages and to be quite honest besides captcha breakers (Which you generally have ongoing additional costs for) none to me do anything better than Roboform. The only thing that it doesn't do that the software I have seen do is load and launch the sites. Beginning next week my system will launch the sites with a click and in testing I 've been able to drop a link in a minute or two and yet its still semi manual and allows you to do any variation, copy and pasting and anything else you want to do - including using Firefox or IE. So frankly if you have a way of loading and launching the sites I don' t see the big deal with a lot of backlinking software out there. Many are just reinventing the wheel and roboform is free up to two or three profiles. ($25 I believe for full version).

Roboform is just so mature and has no glitches. I just haven't found anything compelling in anything else and for most of my single site users forever free. Mind you I really don't do much pinging. My subscribers have reported the sites mostly get indexed in a week or less


I guess right now

Honestly I had thought people would have jumped all over that offer (given how well almost all backlink packages sell and that this comes with a total display app - not just a pdf) but you are the very first to express any interest at all in it. I thought I had completely missed the boat in offering a PLR backlink system. I was eventually going to put the offer up in the membershio area but seeing as very few seemed interested in it I had postponed doing it.

Will PM you tomorrow (late on the east coast now).

[Daniel McGonagle]

UPDATE:

I built a few xfactor and sniper sites here for this test

I used Sick Profile software/service to work on 5 sites...NONE of which were page 1 at the time.

ALL of them have keyword-rich domain names

3 of the sites are page 1 now,
2 are climbing up page 2 and soon will be on page 1

With Sick, they start you off with a list of 130 sites, then they give you 30 more each month.

NOTE: The beauty of this is at some point you can stop making profiles for sites that are already doing well, and focus on new sites each month, and basically only do what's necessary to maintain your rankings

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

UPDATE:

With Sick, they start you off with a list of 130 sites, then they give you 30 more each month.

NOTE: The beauty of this is at some point you can stop making profiles for sites that are already doing well, and focus on new sites each month, and basically only do what's necessary to maintain your rankings

Hey Daniel,

Not sure what you mean there. Can't you do that with any system you use? I'm trying to see what is different from almost every profile system I can think of.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Hey Daniel,

Not sure what you mean there. Can't you do that with any system you use? I'm trying to see what is different from almost every profile system I can think of.

Seems like the standard model to me

[Daniel McGonagle]

Hey Mike, good question.

#1- I was sick of sitting on the sidelines listening to the Pro and Cons crowds saying these links don't work, do work etc... and wanted to test this out using some feedback gained from this forum.

#2- Part of the feedback I received from Warriors said to use links packages that weren't over-used yet, and that's what I got here with the sites Sick gives me.

Your service is good in theory (and most likely in reality too) because it does the same things, gives us "virgin" sites to place profiles and links on, thereby ensuring a higher acceptance rate for the links placed.

Profiles link building DOES work, you just need to use the right service, the right methods and to be consistent and PERsistent

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Hey Daniel,

Not sure what you mean there. Can't you do that with any system you use? I'm trying to see what is different from almost every profile system I can think of.

[mikkosant]

Looks like you're having decent success Dan. It seems like you favor sick profile over LBloophole..? I assume it's because of sick's ability to work without all those annoying windows freezing up. Plus, it uses decaptcher unlike LL.

I'll stay up on your updates.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Hi, Sick is the only tool/service I've actually done anything for profiles link building with so I can't compare it to anything else.

But its semi-automated, does auto registration, auto verification of emails, and allows for spinning of profiles bio text, too, leaving less of a footprint from the normal profiles building which has all the same names and profiles info in them.

Originally Posted by mikkosant

Looks like you're having decent success Dan. It seems like you favor sick profile over LBloophole..? I assume it's because of sick's ability to work without all those annoying windows freezing up. Plus, it uses decaptcher unlike LL.

I'll stay up on your updates.

[teatree]

Regarding the "I have put up 100 profile links, why are only 3 of them showing up in the backlink searches" question, I have a theory, and it's all to do with internal backlinking.

With most forums, the point is to post in the forum. And everytime you post, there is a link from the forum post back to your profile, via the name in the left hand sidebar.

Remember that forum threads get indexed as well as the forum profiles. So the more you post in the forum, the more internal backlinks are created to your profile, and the stronger the profile becomes. If you just set up a profile and don't post, then there is nothing supporting the profile, and it's unlikely to count for much.

So once you have set up your profiles, then pick a few of the forums and start posting to ensure the profile strengthens.

Yes it's time consuming, but it's your classic time spent v benefit gained scenario. If you spend 5 hours building 100 profiles and only 3 are recognised, you arn't doing as well as someone who spent 5 hours and built 10 profiles by hand (including posting in the forum) and got them all indexed.