How do you outrank Wikipedia?

warrick · 01-25-2010, 02:35 PM

Hi, I have been actively searching for an appropriate keyword from Google's Adwords Keyword Tool so that i can find the best domain name.

I noticed that Wikipedia has a very high chance of being ranked first in many of the common keywords. Is there any way that I can outrank them? Is there anything else the spider looks out for other than repetition of the keyword in your content?

ArticlePrince · 01-25-2010, 02:38 PM

PageRank, number of backlinks, relevancy... more importantly though I would avoid using common keywords because they are so competitive, go for some of the long tails that are more difficult to optimize for.

Marhelper · 01-25-2010, 02:39 PM

Uh, you don't.

Seriously, it is possible but not easy. My suggestion: Stick with long tail keywords and go from there.

seasoned · 01-25-2010, 02:40 PM

The spiders USED to use logical ranking based on HTML format, but apparently generally DON'T anymore. It was too heavily used, and became near worthless. Good luck. Wikipedia is a nice popular site with LOTS of terms and LOTS of words. If I were google, I would be tempted to have it as a fixed link.

Steve

RGallowitz · 01-25-2010, 02:40 PM

Wikipedia almost always ranks NUMBER 1 for information terms.
Go for another keyword. Trying to outrank wikipedia is going to be quite difficult and time consuming.

barryleed · 01-25-2010, 02:44 PM

One way to find out for certain is through the software MicroNiche Finder in that for any given phrase you can find out who your competitors are and how many backlinks it will take to out rank them.

Barry

warrick · 01-25-2010, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seasoned

The spiders USED to use logical ranking based on HTML format, but apparently generally DON'T anymore. It was too heavily used, and became near worthless. Good luck. Wikipedia is a nice popular site with LOTS of terms and LOTS of words. If I were google, I would be tempted to have it as a fixed link.

Steve

Hi Steve, thanks for the information. What do you mean by fixed link?

seasoned · 01-25-2010, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrick

Hi Steve, thanks for the information. What do you mean by fixed link?

Maybe I should have said somewhat STATIC link. like "Go here to see info relating to x on wikipedia".

hey, I LOVE wikipedia. GRANTED, some people threw garbage in, and some is biased, so you have to watch it, but you can't beat it for a quick online encyclopedic reference.

As for the problems? wikipedia tightened security, and is cleaning them up.

Steve

Greg Jacobs · 01-25-2010, 11:26 PM

One of the reason wiki pages rank so well is because they have inbound links from other wiki pages

if those internal links were not there, then it would not rank so well...

jasonmorgan · 01-25-2010, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Is there anything else the spider looks out for other than repetition of the keyword in your content?

That option is going to do very little to help you rank for much of anything.

Keyword stuffing was squashed long ago.

warrick · 01-26-2010, 12:04 AM

Thanks a lot for the information! Will keep this in mind on my future keyword searches!

fitz10 · 01-26-2010, 12:06 AM

I don't know how I did it but I actually outrank Wikipedia on one term (an exact match on title). It could be because the Wikipedia entry mentions my blog. Sadly, this is just for a personal interest blog which is not monetized in anyway. Interestingly, I get roughly the same amount of traffic coming from Google for that term and from the Wikipedia backlink itself so a lot of people are still clearly going to Wikipedia even though it's ranked under me and one other site (a newspaper article).

In most instances, I would not expect to outrank Wikipedia though.

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warrick Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 41 Thanks: 20 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	How do you outrank Wikipedia? Hi, I have been actively searching for an appropriate keyword from Google's Adwords Keyword Tool so that i can find the best domain name. I noticed that Wikipedia has a very high chance of being ranked first in many of the common keywords. Is there any way that I can outrank them? Is there anything else the spider looks out for other than repetition of the keyword in your content?

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ArticlePrince Banned War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,079 Thanks: 240 Thanked 522 Times in 195 Posts	Re: How do you outrank Wikipedia? PageRank, number of backlinks, relevancy... more importantly though I would avoid using common keywords because they are so competitive, go for some of the long tails that are more difficult to optimize for.

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warrick Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 41 Thanks: 20 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: How do you outrank Wikipedia? Thanks a lot for the information! Will keep this in mind on my future keyword searches!

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fitz10 Heather! War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: US Posts: 574 Thanks: 159 Thanked 154 Times in 101 Posts Contact Info	Re: How do you outrank Wikipedia? I don't know how I did it but I actually outrank Wikipedia on one term (an exact match on title). It could be because the Wikipedia entry mentions my blog. Sadly, this is just for a personal interest blog which is not monetized in anyway. Interestingly, I get roughly the same amount of traffic coming from Google for that term and from the Wikipedia backlink itself so a lot of people are still clearly going to Wikipedia even though it's ranked under me and one other site (a newspaper article). In most instances, I would not expect to outrank Wikipedia though.
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