15,000 direct marketers Banned for life!

[ArnelRicafranca]

Over the past few weeks the self-riotous egg heads at Google adwords have banned the accounts of over 15,000 direct marketers Banned for life!

Where do you guys think google adwords are heading?

I personally know several people that had their google account banned for no reasons. I respect google but what are they trying to accomplish?

What do you think is a better solution with this fast moving changes?


Arnel

[Sara Young]

Yahoo

Bing

SEO

And lots more

Better not to get banned from adwords, but anyone who has been - can still get plenty o ftraffic.

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by Sara Young

Yahoo

Bing

SEO

And lots more

Better not to get banned from adwords, but anyone who has been - can still get plenty o ftraffic.

This is true. Mine was banned last year for no discernible reason (I'm sure they have theirs, but they haven't shared it with me - their support robots simply reply with the same cut -n- paste email).

So, we moved our efforts to Yahoo (less traffic, but cheaper and seems to convert better on my offers) and have SEO'd the sites much better.

As a result, we hardly missed a beat.

[bgmacaw]

"Go Big, Go Branded or Go Home"

That's Google's new motto for all marketers. Basically if you're sitting in a plush Silicon Valley office with millions in venture capital funds you can do whatever you please. You can create an autogenerated site with scrapped shopping contents from other sites and SEO and Adwords the crap out of it. No worries.

But, if you're a nobody from Nowheresville, well, ban stick for you buddy.

[timpears]

There is always a reason for being banned, even though you may not understand or know it. There is always a reason. It may just be that the wing nut that reviews your site for what ever reason it happens, got up on the wrong side of the bed. But someone reviewed the sites and fond some piddly reason to flex their muscle to make themselves feel good.

Google is a rule unto themselves. Don't try to make sense ofthem, they just do stuff because they can. They are the biggest and baddest, and like all entities in that position, they like to push their weight around. They will not ban you for no reason, but if they want to ban you, they will find a reason.

[Music City Copy]

Media buying! Go direct.

If you had an Adwords account banned, you probably already have a great idea about who the best Content Network referrers were. I hope you poor banned souls downloaded your campaign data before it happened! Yikes, that is scary.

"The Amish" did a video and product about this stuff which I'm sure you've seen: Two Free DVD’s – My Holiday Giveaway

(I am NOT an affiliate, of course)

[Michael Oksa]

They will not ban you for no reason, but if they want to ban you, they will find a reason.

That's really the same thing as banning you for no reason!

~Michael

[JeffMitchell]

There are so many sources that can produce as much or more traffic/leads a day that are overlooked by 99% of this whole industry. Real goldmines that love network marketers and affiliate.


Www.Pulse360.Com
Www.Clicksor.Com
Www.MediaTraffic.Com


And of course Facebook.com

Master those sources and you will have more leads that you can talk to, and way cheaper than google adwords.

Jeff Mitchell

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Here is there new TOS:

Gurgle Adwerdz - Google Adwords Alternative

Some vulgar language so, if you are easily offended - don't look

[Not So New]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Here is there new TOS:

Gurgle Adwerdz - Google Adwords Alternative

Some vulgar language so, if you are easily offended - don't look

That's hilarious, but pretty much sums it up. It seems like they are changing their TOS every hour. Definitely tough to keep up.

Sid

[ArnelRicafranca]

Originally Posted by JeffMitchell

There are so many sources that can produce as much or more traffic/leads a day that are overlooked by 99% of this whole industry. Real goldmines that love network marketers and affiliate.


Www.Pulse360.Com
Www.Clicksor.Com
Www.MediaTraffic.Com


And of course Facebook.com

Master those sources and you will have more leads that you can talk to, and way cheaper than google adwords.

Jeff Mitchell

Do you have great success with those 3 sites that you provided?

[Jeremy Morgan]

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

"Go Big, Go Branded or Go Home"

That's Google's new motto for all marketers. Basically if you're sitting in a plush Silicon Valley office with millions in venture capital funds you can do whatever you please. You can create an autogenerated site with scrapped shopping contents from other sites and SEO and Adwords the crap out of it. No worries.

But, if you're a nobody from Nowheresville, well, ban stick for you buddy.

Unfortunately that's what I've been seeing too. It sucks for us, but I can see their point of view. Smalltime scammers are all over the place, and big companies with a name and brand have some accountability. It's a double edged sword for sure.

[debra]

Originally Posted by ArnelRicafranca

Over the past few weeks the self-riotous egg heads at Google adwords have banned the accounts of over 15,000 direct marketers Banned for life!

Where do you guys think google adwords are heading?

I personally know several people that had their google account banned for no reasons. I respect google but what are they trying to accomplish?

What do you think is a better solution with this fast moving changes?


Arnel

My personal opinion...

To balance the books on behalf of the stock holders and to look good for the next IPO filing.

[Online Bliss]

There are so many sources that can produce as much or more traffic/leads a day that are overlooked by 99% of this whole industry. Real goldmines that love network marketers and affiliate

Jeff Mitchell hit it on the nose.
My bets are on Facebook as the better alternative solution.

[Istvan Horvath]

Originally Posted by ArnelRicafranca

Over the past few weeks the self-riotous egg heads at Google adwords have banned the accounts of over 15,000 direct marketers Banned for life!

Why does this sentence remind of a (video) salesletter of a new training product that will teach you what to do about this... for $197?

Is there some aff sales pitch coming?

[ArnelRicafranca]

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Why does this sentence remind of a (video) salesletter of a new training product that will teach you what to do about this... for $197?

Is there some aff sales pitch coming?

LOL.. I am not trying to sell anything. It is just a post.

[JeffMitchell]

Yes, I am using all three of the above, and have been for the last 3 weeks. I am seeing very quality results The click through rate is lower than expected but the Click to leads conversions are doing better than expected.

Anyone should give them a shot. They have minimum startups of around $100- $200 dollars, but if you have a good sales funnel, you can convert that back to cash as quick as you would like.

Jeff Mitchell

[Ron Douglas]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Here is there new TOS:

Gurgle Adwerdz - Google Adwords Alternative

Some vulgar language so, if you are easily offended - don't look

LMAO, classic. Thanks for that.

[killercopy]

Originally Posted by ArnelRicafranca

Over the past few weeks the self-riotous egg heads at Google adwords have banned the accounts of over 15,000 direct marketers Banned for life!

Where do you guys think google adwords are heading?

I personally know several people that had their google account banned for no reasons. I respect google but what are they trying to accomplish?

What do you think is a better solution with this fast moving changes?


Arnel

Google fired me back in June...but prior to doing so, they sent me the analytics report in the mail, which showed me that the majority of my clicks were coming from websites (adsense) and not adwords ads on the google pages. I was amazed that no one was clicking on the ads i was paying so much money for.

Anyway, I went and bought banner ads on those sites and saved an absolute ton of money and ended up making more money on my products.

[Julie Suplour]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Here is there new TOS:

Link that I am unable to include.

Some vulgar language so, if you are easily offended - don't look

Very funny stuff Jeremy.

How did you find that?

I actually laughed out loud while reading that, it's funny because it's true.

[TheNightOwl]

Gurgle Adwerdz... that is the funniest **** I've seen all week! LMAO here!

[TheNightOwl]

Originally Posted by ArnelRicafranca

I respect google

This is the second funniest.

[A Bary]

Originally Posted by ArnelRicafranca

Over the past few weeks the self-riotous egg heads at Google adwords have banned the accounts of over 15,000 direct marketers Banned for life!

Where do you guys think google adwords are heading?

I personally know several people that had their google account banned for no reasons. I respect google but what are they trying to accomplish?

What do you think is a better solution with this fast moving changes?


Arnel

Google Didn't ban 15,000 in the last few weeks

And before copying information from other people's emails (specifically those of Ryan Diess promoting his latest product) to start a thread, at least make sure you're copying correct information...

there' are hundreds or thousands of accounts disabled every year for very logical reasons, and Google doesn't shut an advertiser for no reason

[sloanjim]

My experiene of this network is absolutely terrible. About the worse I have ever used. Did they suddenly get better?

"Clicksor"

[steve20092009]

It seems like many program owners and marketers are feeding off this so called google slap.

I already received 3 e-mails today saying the hell with google and that I should try this try that.

[butters]

Am I wrong in thinking this, if you got banned, you done something wrong, which would mean you deserve to get banned...

[cscarpero]

I'm still trying to get back on Adwords with alternate emails addys. Some people are using LLC's but I've never tried it.

Yahoo is a very good place to start as an alternative. I'm targeting on there aggressively at the moment. For the other ppc sites, it depends on who you are targeting.

[ShaneRQR]

Originally Posted by butters

Am I wrong in thinking this, if you got banned, you done something wrong, which would mean you deserve to get banned...

Don't forget that Google has absolute power in this regard. They make the rules about what's right and wrong in Adwords.
In other words, they wield legislative, judicial and executive power for all things concerning Google. Whether you get banned for no reason or whether they decide to call what you are doing "wrong" from now on and then ban you really makes no difference.

As for alternatives: Apart from other PPC sources, CPV traffic is certainly worth looking into as well. Have not tried it myself, but from what I hear, traffic volumes can be huge.

[butters]

Originally Posted by ShaneRQR

Don't forget that Google has absolute power in this regard. They make the rules about what's right and wrong in Adwords.
In other words, they wield legislative, judicial and executive power for all things concerning Google. Whether you get banned for no reason or whether they decide to call what you are doing "wrong" from now on and then ban you really makes no difference.

Sure, they have the power but I didn't get banned, I know other people who didn't get banned. I also doubt google would pick out 15k accounts and just ban them for no reason, it could be possible but probably doubtful. So I would have to say, the people who got banned probably promoted something wrong.

[R Hagel]

Originally Posted by goldmind123

And before copying information from other people's emails (specifically those of Ryan Diess promoting his latest product) to start a thread...

Very true.

Arnel, if you were a journalist, you'd be clubbed with a ban stick for copying and pasting a portion of someone else's email and not giving credit to them. Besides, you could have just put that line in your own words -- wouldn't have taken more than few seconds to do so.


***

Now as for the general topic of banning, consider this:

Once in a while someone posts on the board about a problem customer. Maybe the customer is asking a gazillion questions about a $10 book. Maybe the "customer" is a serial refunder. Maybe it's a writing customer who wants the perfect article for 50 cents. Maybe the person is just a prospect -- like a subscriber -- who's being abusive.

So what happens when someone on this board asks for advice about what to do with that type of customer?

A majority of people say...

FIRE HIM!

Ban him from your site and kick him off your forum!

Upgrade him to the psychic version of your the newsletter! (Tip of the hat to Paul Myers.)

Refund him, boot him off your list and ban his IP!


And everyone pretty much agrees that's the right thing to do, because some customers just aren't worth the trouble for whatever reason.

Seems to me Google is doing the same thing. I don't know their reasons, and I'm sure it sucks to get banned if you regularly use their services... but what they're doing really isn't all that different than what we regularly advise marketers here to do with their problem customers.

Plus, being forced to stop using Google services isn't an entirely bad thing, especially with all the privacy problems they have.

Cheers,
Becky

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by butters

Am I wrong in thinking this, if you got banned, you done something wrong, which would mean you deserve to get banned...

Yes, but what is being done 'wrong' is competing too well against Google for advertising dollars. The basic problem is that Google has near monopoly position on search based advertising that allows them to use various anti-competitive practices, particularly against smaller business entities such as affiliate marketers.

In the short term, the result of 'firing' certain Adwords advertisers and taking other actions will result in higher profits for Google. In the long term, it's going to cause them serious anti-trust legal problems such as those faced by AT&T and Microsoft in past decades.

[Edk]

As for banning you for no reason, here's the scoop. You can fall foul of a rule that wasn't in place when you did what you did. After you've shot for goal, what do you know, someone moved the goalposts to way over thataway! WOW!

Google upbraided me for promoting a product that they were advertising but just then decided to ban AFTER I promoted it(Water to Gas). There were one or two other things almost as subtle as that.

Then they wrote me that the warning they were giving me was the final warning. I decided to keep my nose clean. Well what do you know? A little time after that - after not much activity in my account - their email said that my account was disabled.

Here's the beauty part: it said that I may not newly have done anything wrong, but I was banned anyway! Gorgeous.

In my own experience of life, that's how ALL powerful people over-reach themselves. Without exception. No exceptions. And yes, of course they can do as they confoundedly well please.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by R Hagel

Very true.

Arnel, if you were a journalist, you'd be clubbed with a ban stick for copying and pasting a portion of someone else's email and not giving credit to them.

But he's not a journalist, soooo....

but what they're doing really isn't all that different than what we regularly advise marketers here to do with their problem customers.


Cheers,
Becky

It's not even remotely the same thing, lol.

Google doesn't shut an advertiser for no reason

goldmind122

Right....and bears don't crap in the woods either.

[butters]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Right....and bears don't crap in the woods either.

They use the toilets...

[Sean Kelly]

Originally Posted by ArnelRicafranca

Over the past few weeks the self-riotous egg heads at Google adwords have banned the accounts of over 15,000 direct marketers Banned for life!

Arnel

I would like to know where the 15,000 figure came from.

Did Google issue a press-release stating this?

I'm hearing 15,000 all over the place and to date nobody has identified the source of this claim. Not trying to be smart here but do you know? I would like to read that news story.

Thanks,
Sean

[A Bary]

Originally Posted by Sean Kelly

I would like to know where the 15,000 figure came from.

Did Google issue a press-release stating this?

I'm hearing 15,000 all over the place and to date nobody has identified the source of this claim. Not trying to be smart here but do you know? I would like to read that news story.

Thanks,
Sean

This is a rumor that has been spread over the last few months, that the last Adwords slap has affected more than 15,000 advertisers, and it's known that the last so called "slap" (which is practically a refine for their algorithm and advertising terms) happened few months ago..

Ryan Diess used it cleverly to promote his latest product, which promotes another method of paid advertising, he didn't say it happened yesterday, he was just talking about how easy it is for you to be kicked by Google if you didn't strictly follow the rules (justified from marketing perspective)

However, the OP just took this as a plain fact and posted it

[killercopy]

Originally Posted by butters

Sure, they have the power but I didn't get banned, I know other people who didn't get banned. I also doubt google would pick out 15k accounts and just ban them for no reason, it could be possible but probably doubtful. So I would have to say, the people who got banned probably promoted something wrong.

The person I sold my website to got banned (and that particular webite wasn't the reason I got banned)!

Yes, they may have reason to ban you...but banning someone because they own your old site is unconscionable.

[killercopy]

Originally Posted by cscarpero

I'm still trying to get back on Adwords with alternate emails addys. Some people are using LLC's but I've never tried it.

Yahoo is a very good place to start as an alternative. I'm targeting on there aggressively at the moment. For the other ppc sites, it depends on who you are targeting.

You'll need a new computer too because google has flash cookies all over yours. And when you sell your computer, the new owner will be banned for life from google as well.

[Mohammad Afaq]

Originally Posted by Sara Young

Yahoo

Bing

SEO

And lots more

Better not to get banned from adwords, but anyone who has been - can still get plenty o ftraffic.

True you have all the options, but google is the real deal. Google gets more than 90% of all search traffic, Yahoo gets about 4 and Bing gets only 2%.

Here's a screen shot:



So, that means getting banned by adwords is a bad thing and yes there are other options, but none is nearly as good as Google.

[Clicksor_CS]

Originally Posted by sloanjim

My experiene of this network is absolutely terrible. About the worse I have ever used. Did they suddenly get better?

hi Sloanjim,

Thank you for your feedback. This is from Clicksor customer service. As noticing your post about your experience with Clicksor, I would like to follow up with you on the issue.

Could you please let us know more details about your experience? Is it an experience about your campaign performance?

If so, we are happy to assist you out because a good campaign performance depends on your category, your campaign setting and also your budget etc. We do see a lot of successful campaigns in our network.

Therefore, please feel free to contact us at advertiser at clicksor.com with the details of your offer and your experience and then we could assist you on the suggestion towards a successful campaign.

Best Regards,

Clicksor_CS

[Mike Anthony]

When has the big guy ever cared about the little guy. Unfortunately we also have to blame some marketers. the good suffer with the bad.

[bullrun]

You do realise that if everyone in this forum shut off their paid search campaigns for one day (the same day) and took the time to send Google an email about it, you might get their attention. At least you'd get some media attention which might just give them a Google slap of their own, something they've needed for years as a wake up call to remind them that by being a virtual monopoly, they have some duty of service to the community they serve.