Do Angela's and Paul's links work or not, and if so, how fast?

[ThomasTe]

Hi,

I've tried their packages, but not with impressive results, for some terms with no great competition.
Also, I have a hard time finding the pages/profiles where my link should be on, in google.

I have also seen some posts about google not liking 'profile spam' and such.

What are your experiences. Does it work for you or not? Have you tried to rely solely on their packages (I know you should diversify, but am interested in this)?
How fast do you see results?

Thanks.

Best regards,
Thomas

[TrafficMystic]

You should use this links as part of your seo strategy and at 'least' have the urls of the profile pinged to help get them indexed. It's better to create feeds off them and submit those feeds though.

You should also not expect instant results. Give the packets 3-4 months of link building to give an indication of results if these are the only links your building

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ThomasTe

Hi,

What are your experiences. Does it work for you or not? Have you tried to rely solely on their packages (I know you should diversify, but am interested in this)?
How fast do you see results?

It will always vary. I don't know what is happening with angela's packet's these days. A lot of people suggest they aren't working but it could be a number of things. The links are being removed, people are not paying attention to content and on page SEO or not getting variety or like Trafficmystic suggested just too impatient.


As for profile linking in general? Still works mate. Recently a brand new domain that I put 30 quality profile backlinks to (that s right just 30) climbed right onto the front page within days of getting the links indexed. Not ultra competitve term but competitive enough because its highly targeted to buyers (6,000 per month)in that niche. No pinging and no backlinking my backlinks. Good quality links will get indexed on their own (but of course some need a little help).

.

[simonheng82]

i am not a big fan of their products, i tried angela links for two months, my site was initially in the first page 8th post, but it settle at 19th post now since the 2 months packet.....it has been 4 months now, i dont think this is sort of google dance....

Simon

[jazbo]

A site can take up to 6 months to settle and start to rank strongly and naturally. I suspect a lot of people see the buzz around profile link packets and think they are some instant hit. They work very, very well (if you follow the instructions and dont just spam like a moron), but take the same amount of time to work as any other type of link, ie they have to be found and worked into your sites link profile.

Also the trust of your site will effect its ranking, and if its a site less than a year old, how much trust do you reckon Google will give it? not a lot!

Keep building links, think about mixing it up with all types of links, so your site has a natural link profile and therefore gains trust more quickly. For example if you only build followed links, how natural is that going to look, when at least 10% of a sites natural link profile should consist of nofollowed links?

[ThomasTe]

Thanks for your input, guys.

Mike, did you do the submissions yourself on that site, or did Paul/Angela do them for you?
Did you do anything to get the profiles indexed?

Thanks.

Regards,
Thomas

[Stephen Root]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

As for profile linking in general? Still works mate. Recently a brand new domain that I put 30 quality profile backlinks to (that s right just 30) climbed right onto the front page within days of getting the links indexed. Not ultra competitve term but competitive enough because its highly targeted to buyers (6,000 per month)in that niche. No pinging and no backlinking my backlinks. Good quality links will get indexed on their own (but of course some need a little help).

It might be helpful if you could define "quality profile link". Are you talking about only the site's authority that makes those profile links quality links or are you talking about specific tactics like using long signatures with links to enforce context relevancy?

[AndyBlackSEO]

The thing you must do with profile pages is ensure that they get indexed. The majority don't without a nudge.

[Billy Rey]

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

The thing you must do with profile pages is ensure that they get indexed. The majority don't without a nudge.

Exactly. Give it a nudge. Send them links, bookmark them or whatever. It might look stupid and worthless but they'll help in the long run.

[Digital Info Diva]

I've been using them for about 4 months now and see better results with some domains than others. It's like anything else on the Internet - each domain has its own issues which are a reflection of the content. You can't expect every site you build to rank as easy or as fast as another.

You have to take into consideration the existing backlinks on the sites that you're competing with and adjust your goals.

Nothing is quick and permanent forever - you have to keep tweaking to stay on top.

[Spot the Ball]

I have a site in one of the electronics niches and this has been a difficult site to rank for, not sure if you need more trust/time in this kind of niche although after 3 months its slowly climbing.

On the other hand I have a site which shows it to be about the same difficulty to get page 1 rankings but is proving to be far easier (away from electronics niche).

Maybe something to consider when choosing your niches, SEs might need more time/trust in certain niches, even if all the tools you have tell you they are equal in difficulty.

[blarbie]

i am working on terms that have 30 million plus open queries, i moved to spot one for one of the terms and im working on a second now. i have been at spot 7, this morning hit 4 and back down to 7, can these kind of links help in something this competitive ?

[Spot the Ball]

Originally Posted by blarbie

i am working on terms that have 30 million plus open queries, i moved to spot one for one of the terms and im working on a second now. i have been at spot 7, this morning hit 4 and back down to 7, can these kind of links help in something this competitive ?

30 million means nothing really, its the competion on page 1 you only need to concern yourself with.

I have page 1 rankings from number 1 spot and all the way down for individual products.

Its the broad search terms that are the hard nuts to crack.

Yes they can help, but mix them up with other methods.

[blarbie]

Spot the Ball thanks, i have not really used them before and rely on other links methods. I was considering adding this technique into the mix. using seo link dominator and buying packets here. i was wondering if anyone here has deployed this technique on top of others in competitive terms and did recognize a solid boost/

i use 30 million open query as a guideline. the competitors or tuff pr7 / pr6 2000 to 12000 google indexed pages

[GuerrillaIM]

The backlink packets are good for finding new parasites (don't ask me to tell you what this is, do some googling). If you follow the instructions and the general way most people use the packets then its not so effective. Blog commets are just as effective, if not more so.

[Letter$]

Ive had decent success with angelas backlinks, i always signup for the account then wait a week until i put in my links. i usually seen results after the first week. i use angelas backlinks with seo link dominator which helps.

[Hardi Wijaya]

I'm very glad that most people don't have an idea to make profile links work. Keep blasting away those submissions with their software! Go on... pay 100s 1000s bucks for a million links!

Sarcastic?

NO, I'm just glad. Most people just follow what should be done. But they just don't know why. And I'm glad that I'm not one of them. Less competition.

Sure, I've Angela's package. But I'm paying it to search for SEO diamonds. I am not interested to know whether all 30 links will get indexed. In fact, I suspect about 50% of 30 links won't get indexed. People who buy those packages from WSO or somewhere else just have to face the truth.

1. Yes, ping them. But that DOES NOT guarantee anything yet.
2. Yes, physically check whether those links are indexed and in the cache.

But that is not everything yet!

The most important thing is to sort out those links that G loves to index. Some experts call it link love. I'm not an expert in SEO. I'm just a new owner of a SEO company. So ask them what link love is.

Bear in mind that this love depends on the website that you place your link.

For example: Some links from certain sites just won't attract G. Don't just believe me. Test it.

There are many factors, but I think the speed of web site is the main cause. G is obsessed with speed and it hates snail crawl.

A great forum with high PR and flood of users does not necessarily guarantee link love...

• IF the forum owner does not know a nut of taking advantage of SEO,
• IF the owner does not depend on SEO to generate forum subscription,
• IF the owner uses slow web host,
• IF... IF... there are numerous factors involved.

Nobody can really know the reason or reasons.

Doing the above mentioned steps 1 and 2 is just the basic.

Test out to find how much love G love. If the indexed and cached links still stick in the number 1 of the listing, then do something 2 or 3 way linking to those forum links.

Well, like I said earlier. Do not just take my words. Go test yourself.

Those packages are ok. But it depends on how you use it.

Let me give you some stats of my recent project.

- Create 350 unique links from the forums within 2 weeks. (A mixed of .com, .net, .org, .gov, .edu, and foreign links)

- Around 50 links stick in G's search.

- In the 4th week, remains around 30+ links in the cache.

- G loves ***power.com. 3 profiles still stick the cache.

- G likes the flag***.com. Again 3 profiles in the cash, I mean cache.

- G wants the ****blue.com. 2 profiles

- G likes to go to UK. ero****.uk gets 2 profiles in listing.

- G talks about ****hosting***.com. 2 profiles.

- Again, UK. Maian*.uk 2 profiles

- G wants ****justice.com 2 profiles

- ***software.com 2 profiles

- **dugout** 2 profiles

- 2-words search term rank around 50 out of 39,500,000 after 4 weeks.

- A 3 months old site.

Pathetic?

That's how SEO is. You cannot get every shot into the target




Hardi

[gubwell12]

From my experience with this method of link building I would say that it is a total crap. The google don't crawls most of the backlinks and these links has very low SEO value.

[Eidolon]

Mmm. Just bought Steve's software and Angela's links and I'm in the middle of the process. So I'm hoping the time invested is going to pay dividends. I'm not sure which side of the argument is correct but I do know that so far it has been a time consuming job.

[jasonmorgan]

ya know,

You'd probably be best off buying a backlinking pack from somebody who is active on this forum and can support you directly with the product you purchased from them.

This isn't angelas support forum and apparently her instructions suck due to the amount of whining going on about her packets not working.

[Adam Roy]

DO NOT APPLY THESE BACKLINKS ALL AT ONCE! Let me tell you about the google dance

I'm sure you now about the google dance and how much money you loose during this process. You WILL NOT EXPERIENCE THE GOOGLE DANCE if you backlink naturally.

And angela and paul both tell you that just leaving anchor text in your profile is good enough.

I found that writing a paragraph, with your anchor text within it gets the best results.

DON'T LEAVE JUST YOUR ANCHOR TEXT LINKS, surround those links with a brief sentence of two of useful information.

[inter123]

For one site what do you say is a good number to add at one go? (The site is small with 40 pages and 50 visitors a day, its 3 months old).

Originally Posted by friend

DO NOT APPLY THESE BACKLINKS ALL AT ONCE!

[Adam Roy]

2 or 3 every day. Think about it, a bunch of backlinks all at once, then nothing, then a bunch all at once, then nothing.

Search engines are not idiots, backlinking is supposed to be natural, another website finding yours and saying hey this would be useful to my visitors. Make it natural, like i said before SEARCH ENGINES ARE NOT IDIOTS.

Especially the big do search engines, with all the technology and compute code these days, I can gaurantee you that they have a stupid little code they can add to their robots to determine bulk, crap backlinks.

ESPECIALLY when it's the same exact anchor text in every profile.

[dude91]

Well , From my experience it takes maximum of a week for a link to show it works or not. May take longer for new domains But usually in new domains it comes with google dance. I haven't really seen much impact of these links my self.

[Adam Roy]

me either.

[GeorgR.]

My pesonal guess is that 90% of people raving about A+P backlinks HAVE NO CLUE and simply echo what they hear from others, "how great angela and pauls links are".

the truth is, its links ON TOTALLY UNRELATED sites, do i want link to my health site from a sports site or from a ozzy osborne site?

YOU DECIDE.

In fact, i once had a site penalized for 3 months and the only thing i did which PROBABLY caused the penalty was A/P links.

You know, i know a bunch of indian guys which are on messenger RIGHT NOW. I could tell them RIGHT NOW to build a zillion Angela links to some of my sites. But i dont.

I think those links are over rated, may even harm your rankings. Proof me its not the case.

Another proof for the fact that some of the so called "link builders" have no clue is statements like "PR5 link" etc. if in fact only the MAIN PAGE has that PR while the actual profile page has PR 0...i see this all the time.

[Tom Goodwin]

(1) Yes, profile type links work.

(2) You should use some sort of boosting method, at the very least setup a ping.fm network to help boost the indexing of the links.

(3) As with all backlinking strategies, you should mix in other types of backlinks too.

(4) who give's a rat's a&& if they are from "relevant" sites or not? People are just crazy in here. Backlinks from irrelevant domains can work wonders for Google SERP rankings. Give me a PR5 backlink from a site on Hamsters to any of my IM sites any day of the week.

(5) none of the reputable backlink pack providers say that the links will reside on pages with PR. NONE of them.

(6) As with all backlinking strategies, you should give your site a least a couple of months.

(7) Unless some unbelievable horrendous situation exists (one you likely couldn't fathom), your site won't get "penalized" for any incoming links. PERIOD. Matt Cutts even states as much numerous times in his blogs and the comments to his blogs. If they did penalize you for incoming links, it would be to easy to nail your competitors.

(8) If your site does move back in the rankings after backlinking, that is a GOOD sign. What most people fail at though is this...you should continue to build backlinks to your site. But Nope. People see that their site falls back and they STOP BACKLINKING. This fails the basic rule of maintaining some sort of link velocity.

But, I guess I have no clue whether or not a certain type of backlinks work on the hundreds of domains that I own ;-)

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by gubwell12

From my experience with this method of link building I would say that it is a total crap. The google don't crawls most of the backlinks and these links has very low SEO value.

Did you do anything with the links once you put them up? There are probably 1000 threads here at WF at methods to help indexing.

[Hardi Wijaya]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Did you do anything with the links once you put them up? There are probably 1000 threads here at WF at methods to help indexing.

Unfortunately, most people just don't know how to do about it. They just build and don't look back to boost the indexed links.

One of the easiest way is to get a domain hosted in different c class webhosting. Then, create a autoblog that can insert profile links in each post. I have a free autoblog plugin. I don't think it's available now. And I've forgotten the download link.

Then, use ping.fm.

This method can help to get more indexed profiles as well as boost the links.


Hardi

[ttomp13]

I'm absolutely LOVING the fact that people think these links don't work.
Less competition for me.

So I agree, they don't work...

[Megafoo]

Your not seeing many backlinks because those profile links require work on your part to get them indexed...

[HCLee]

I've had excellent results using Angela's backlinks. Don't get paranoid checking that every link shows up on the backlink tool you are using. You probably won't see them or few of them. Just believe it works and continue doing it. There are also a few tools here in WF that help to index these backlinks faster so do look out for them.

[techwarrior]

I'm also contemplating on getting those link packages.

Thanks for all your inputs here.

[GoDowntoLondon]

Hi Thomas,

Like Steven H said its a mid term strategy (3-4 months) and its only valuable if you add this tactic to your global SEO building process.

You have to constantly add more backlinks from different sources (rss feeds, article directories, forum profiles, press releases, bookmarking websites, etc.)

Dont expect insane results building only a few backlinks from Angela packages & even more unrealistic after only 1 week!

Adding Paul & Angela's packs into your arsenal and diversifying your ways to get Google Juice here are the keys.

Of course all of this requires, Time - Efforts & Money.

Hope it helps!
Joe.

[kkchoon]

Actually you should see some serious result with Angela & Paul backlinks, I did.

Not sure why many still complaints about profile backlink not working or the result is not significant... I good guess is they pick the wrong keyword.

Try backlink index express - use it to boost your links and increase the index rate, help your site rank a lot faster.

[financeandinsurancetips]

I think that they were popular those days when many were not aware about them. But now as Google have known about them so they would be getting in some ways to remove the effect of them. They have updated their algo for sure and they would be punishing people who will use these practices soon!

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by financeandinsurancetips

I think that they were popular those days when many were not aware about them. But now as Google have known about them so they would be getting in some ways to remove the effect of them. They have updated their algo for sure and they would be punishing people who will use these practices soon!

Um, not very likely. Think about it logically for a second. Would google punish a site for incoming links, when you could simply send those same types of links to one of your competitors and get those sites dinged? I think not.

[MarkAse]

Tom-Well reasoned as always. It's always amazing to me that people continue to say things like that when they clearly don't make sense. If the bad neighborhood thing really existed, couldn't I simply spend time creating links to all my competitors from those type of sites to in effect, pull down their SERPS instead of focusing on improving my own?

It simply doesn't make sense and Google is generally smarter then we give them credit for sometimes.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by MarkAse

Tom-Well reasoned as always. It's always amazing to me that people continue to say things like that when they clearly don't make sense. If the bad neighborhood thing really existed, couldn't I simply spend time creating links to all my competitors from those type of sites to in effect, pull down their SERPS instead of focusing on improving my own?

It simply doesn't make sense and Google is generally smarter then we give them credit for sometimes.

Thanks Mark. I think sometimes a certain assertion is stated so many times that people just keep on repeating it without actually thinking through what's really going on.

Its like all those those threads about "google banning". Does google once in a great while actually knock a site out of its index? Sure. But, if you were to believe some of the threads on the internet if you misplace a comma you will get "banned."

Tom

[vikramd]

Originally Posted by ThomasTe

Hi,

I have also seen some posts about google not liking 'profile spam' and such.
What are your experiences. Does it work for you or not? Have you tried to rely solely on their packages (I know you should diversify, but am interested in this)?
How fast do you see results?
Thomas

It probably helps - but it is not the best use of time or resources IMO. I setup a .info domain and tried ranking for a keyword with profile links and it was very slow going.

I setup a 2nd .info domain - wrote articles to my blog, bookmarked my blog to a few sites & then took those blog posts and converted them into EZA/AritcleBase/GoARticle articles (backlink to my domain with proper anchor text).

Then I converted them to word & power point and published to the various document sites.

I ranked 1st page, 1st term within a week and have stayed there since (repeating the same procedure for each blog post update).

Maybe I could have achieved the same results within a few months with profile linking but I don't see what the point is.

All that matters is you have good keywords that convert & you rank at the top of the SERP IMO. You can get that without tedious profile links.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by vikramd

It probably helps - but it is not the best use of time or resources IMO. I setup a .info domain and tried ranking for a keyword with profile links and it was very slow going.

I setup a 2nd .info domain - wrote articles to my blog, bookmarked my blog to a few sites & then took those blog posts and converted them into EZA/AritcleBase/GoARticle articles (backlink to my domain with proper anchor text).

Then I converted them to word & power point and published to the various document sites.

Just to be clear...

With site #1, you did one type of linking (which is generally a bad thing, even for us big profile backlinkers).

With site #2, you used FOUR types of backlinks, including article directories, web 2.0 sites, social bookmarks, and document directories.

I just want to make sure i'm fully understanding this

No matter what type of backlinks one use as your bread and butter, variety is a good thing.

[vikramd]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Just to be clear...
No matter what type of backlinks one use as your bread and butter, variety is a good thing.

Yeah - you're right.

But I stand by what I said - it just doesn't seem to be worth the effort based on my own testing. You can accomplish SERP rankings without having to do anything so tedious.

And if you outsource - outsource to someone who knows some good SEO tools and help you with your SEO strategy beyond profile spamming.

[Ads]

they work, but like anything it takes time and patience. Use them as PART of your SEO strategy, not the whole thing.

[ThomasTe]

I really started some thread here. A lot of great input from all you guys.

Best regards,
Thomas

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by vikramd

Yeah - you're right.

But I stand by what I said - it just doesn't seem to be worth the effort based on my own testing. You can accomplish SERP rankings without having to do anything so tedious.

And if you outsource - outsource to someone who knows some good SEO tools and help you with your SEO strategy beyond profile spamming.

Like it or not, profile links work and very well! If you are not comfortable with it, try blog network - SEOLinkVine.

Having said that, even if you are not spamming profile sites, but link building itself is spamming the search engine! Only pure white hat strategy is what Google prefer, period.

Kok Choon

[inter123]

Is his the way to go if thinking long term and big?

Its ok starting with this stuff for long tail not much competetion keywords but what happens if it becomes bigger and you are fighting for ultra competitive keywords like 'mobile phones'.

How is google and the competetion going to view getting a lot of backlinks from places like 'pagan believers forum'?

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Like it or not, profile links work and very well! If you are not comfortable with it, try blog network - SEOLinkVine.

Having said that, even if you are not spamming profile sites, but link building itself is spamming the search engine! Only pure white hat strategy is what Google prefer, period.

Kok Choon

[Hardi Wijaya]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Like it or not, profile links work and very well! If you are not comfortable with it, try blog network - SEOLinkVine.

Having said that, even if you are not spamming profile sites, but link building itself is spamming the search engine! Only pure white hat strategy is what Google prefer, period.

Kok Choon

Step aside, stand outside of the ring, and watch carefully.

What's white, black and grey anyway??? G directly and indirectly creates it. Not people outside of the G.

Like a story of Tao says, flow with the water in anyway. And I add on top of it -- There's no such thing as white, black, and grey. Colors mean nothing.


Hardi

[vikramd]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Like it or not, profile links work and very well! If you are not comfortable with it, try blog network - SEOLinkVine.

Having said that, even if you are not spamming profile sites, but link building itself is spamming the search engine! Only pure white hat strategy is what Google prefer, period.

I don't really care if google views what I do as black or white hat. They've been guilty of practicing the very techniques they don't want us to use.

My point is that people can achieve great rankings in the SERPS through tasks that aren't as tedious or labor intensive as profile links.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by vikramd

I don't really care if google views what I do as black or white hat. They've been guilty of practicing the very techniques they don't want us to use.

My point is that people can achieve great rankings in the SERPS through tasks that aren't as tedious or labor intensive as profile links.

To each their own, but I don't think it has to be slow or tedious. I can do profile links at a much faster clip than other non-fully automated method of link building. Of course, working your way through something like Angela's can be slow, as the site platforms are all over the map, but if you are smart about it and do say 100 sites on vbulletin, there is no reason that you can't do that in 2.5-3 hours.

[Titans]

Originally Posted by jazbo

A site can take up to 6 months to settle and start to rank strongly and naturally. I suspect a lot of people see the buzz around profile link packets and think they are some instant hit. They work very, very well (if you follow the instructions and dont just spam like a moron), but take the same amount of time to work as any other type of link, ie they have to be found and worked into your sites link profile.

Also the trust of your site will effect its ranking, and if its a site less than a year old, how much trust do you reckon Google will give it? not a lot!

Keep building links, think about mixing it up with all types of links, so your site has a natural link profile and therefore gains trust more quickly. For example if you only build followed links, how natural is that going to look, when at least 10% of a sites natural link profile should consist of nofollowed links?

Wrong.

Profile links are worthless and if a method takes you 6 months to see results, it is also worthless, this isn't 2004 anymore.

It's not in my best interest to direct newbies to the right path, but frankly I am tired of seeing the same myths being repeated over and over, so this is another myth I'll bust for free on this forum.



The profile backlink myth

The profile backlinks myth is similar to the myth working class share with each other and teach their kids: "study hard, be good, work hard 9/5 a day and one day you'll become successful."

It makes a lot of sense to most people, this is the way they want it to work, but it is not how the world really works, in the real world, these people get screwed over, and the most successful people who everyone secretly wants to be, did it by doing the exact right thing at the exact right time (factor a), knowing the right people (factor b), or inherited the success from someone else (factor c).

(Of course, when they write their biography, they'll whitewash everything and leave out all the juicy dirty little secrets, inside knowledge and connections that lead to those single tiny moments that really changed the course of their lives.)



Work smarter > Work harder

You can work hard, flip burgers 10 hours a day for 10 years, be nice to everybody, donate to the poor and help old ladies cross the streets. You can optimize your effort so you can flip an extra burger per hour, but you'll still end up getting no where.

And this is what profile building + SEO really is.

The only players you're ever going to beat with these weak profile links are other burger flippers that is lazier than you are.

Other than that these links are worthless, and have negative impact when every newbie+dog is using the same site for the links. (site admin had enough and start deleting profiles, site flagged by google for linking to bad networks, etc)

And in situations where profile links work (see below), you can easily replicate the result by getting 1 long lasting strong link, and that link is going to cost less than all these so called "profile link packages".

Every time you look at the people who posts: "profile links work!!!!11!!", you see the following pattern:

1. They can't quantify the result. I mean wtf is "it works very very well"? How does that measure to "very well" exactly?
2. They don't list the conditions, as in under what condition will these profile links work? If you think all links are created equal and any bunch of links bundled as "package" is going to boost your SERP under any competition, think again.
3. They did a 100 things to try boost the ranking, and a month later they had no idea what worked and what didn't. That's why they keep chanting "work hard", they simply have no idea what worked and how much they worked. (working harder, not smarter)
4. They don't know how to utilize the same $50/$100 to boost their rankings more effectively.



Golden facts:

1. Profile links are basically weak back links (there are exception cases, of course), the reason it's attractive to newbies is not because the links are good but because of the quantity that can be easily produced.
2. The only time you can knock your competition down with these weak links is when your competition is equally as weak as your site.
3. When I order 100 links and you tell me it is going to take a week because "slow link building appears more natural", that tells me you are doing it by hand and don't have enough time to deliver orders.



"Slow link building appears more natural" is bull**** because:

1. Real popular content often gets more than 1000 real back links within 24 hours. (see movies/tv shows download links hosted on rapidshare.com etc), they don't get deindexed.
2. 100 back links a day don't mean jack to Google.
3. I've spammed over 10k links many times to my sites and my competitors and no sites ever got deindexed because of it.



It is a science, not a religion

Assume nothing, test everything, then test everything again.

For those who really wants to see the true effect of these so called "packages", I recommend you to do your own a/b test:

1. Build 2 extremely similar sites, host them on the same ip. (ie, cheaphellticket.com/cheapheaventicket.com)
2. Get them indexed on Google at the same time (by pinging them at the same time)
3. Apply one of these "package" to one site and not another.

Do a set of a/b test on highly competitive keywords, then do another set on med competitive keywords, then do another set on made-up obsecure zero competition keywords.

Here is what you'll see from the tests:

1. Profile building don't do jack on highly competitive keywords.
2. Profile building don't do jack on med competitive keywords.
3. Profile building helps low competition keywords.
4. BUT, the low competition "b" site with zero backlinks often climbed serps simply by doing nothing.


I've had many sites (1000+) that keep climbing up the rankings with zero backlinks, I know this because these are the sites that I've decided to ditch after 10 days of launching due to various reasons. And a lot of the time they climbed up a few spots after another week, a few more spot after another week and so on, simply by being left alone. Now if people built profile links before this effect occurs, they are going to assume it's because of the backlinks, when a lot of the time the site was going to climb up anyway. That's why you have to a/b test everything to see true results.

I am not going to spill all the beans here, but if you're going to spend $50/$100 on these "packages", you're much better off with other methods. For example $100 can get you a decent PR3/4 site (factor c) and you can do whatever you want with it, it's going to work better than the "profile package", and it'll be under your complete control.



Conclusion:

Profile links are worthless, not because they have zero effect, but because with other methods, much better results can be produced with the same resource it takes to generate these links.