Backlinks From Duplicate Content...

[MarketItAll]

Hey All,

I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. What do you all think about back links that are coming from duplicate content? For example you get a pack of PLR articles, and submit them to article directories for some back links. Only problem is about 50 other people had the articles and did the same thing. Would Google penalize you for this? Would they not penalize you, but not give you credit for the backlink? Would you get some credit for the backlink but not full? Or would you get just as much credit as any other original article?

What do you think?

I've heard that Google just will not index any duplicate content, which I guess would give you no credit for the back link. Supposedly the first site to have the content up gets indexed and credit, but any after that no indexing.

I would love to hear opinions on this, or any other information you may have!

[Jeff Henshaw]

I've heard that Google just will not index any duplicate content, which I guess would give you no credit for the back link. Supposedly the first site to have the content up gets indexed and credit, but any after that no indexing.

I think that Google only penalizes a site for duplicate content included on that site, or on the same domain. If not, most of the article marketing directories would probably have a PR of 0.

Just my thoughts,
Jeff.

[Get Inspired Today]

Well, from what I read today in that thread about submitting articles to databases, people say that dupe content is generally a myth and only to be avoided on your own site.

[Scott Million]

Originally Posted by MarketItAll

Hey All,

I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. What do you all think about back links that are coming from duplicate content? For example you get a pack of PLR articles, and submit them to article directories for some back links. Only problem is about 50 other people had the articles and did the same thing. Would Google penalize you for this? Would they not penalize you, but not give you credit for the backlink? Would you get some credit for the backlink but not full? Or would you get just as much credit as any other original article?

What do you think?

I've heard that Google just will not index any duplicate content, which I guess would give you no credit for the back link. Supposedly the first site to have the content up gets indexed and credit, but any after that no indexing.

I would love to hear opinions on this, or any other information you may have!

Ledger's The Best Spinner will make your life a lot easier.

Rather than buy PLR articles, write a couple from scratch and use a tool like 'the best spinner' to create a bunch of humanly spun content (that makes sense.)

You'll get far better results when your links are sitting in the middle of unique (or... unique "enough") content. Duplicate content won't penalize you, but Google will not show nearly as much love as far as "passing on the juice" when you submit the same content on multiple websites.

[EvcRo]

What i know for sure is that duplicate content goes in to the suplemental results. As for backlinks, they count, if the page is index everything counts. The weight however, depends on the domain on which they appear.

[lcombs]

I've received 100s of backlinks to my site from other people using my EZA articles for content on their sites.

[lcombs]

Another suggestion; Re-write the plr articles to make them original. Then submit them to EZA. And/or use a content spinner as suggested above on those articles.

You might also post a job on Elance and find someone to re-write them for you.

You could double, triple, or quadrupal the number of articles you have. And, conceivably, submit them all to EZA, etc.

[kingston.knudsen]

So I've been reading tons and tons of information on here about his duplicate content stuff and I think what most people really care about are the downfalls of SYNDICATING your articles to article directories.

I'd like some help with these questions because I think they they still aren't getting answered and they're the most important ones we should be worrying about.

I guess the main one is "is article spinning actually that necessary?" Would 100 different articles on article directory sites linking back to your main site be more beneficial than the same article on these 100 sites linking back to your main site? I personally think that they are of equal value. These reason I say this is that I've seen tons of affiliates providing free articles to post around the internet. When I search for the first paragraph of these articles (in quotes) Ive found hundreds or indexed pages in google, with most of the top page ranking at least pr 2. How can this be explained? If you have another opinion then plz tell me why in a post.

I think another thing to consider tho is if you have 100 different articles and you are planning on bookmarking them, then all of these bookmarks may stick and pass link juice. If you bookmark the same article 100 times on 100 different accounts, I dont think they will pass as much link juice and google may not count them all. Of course I don't have proof for this but its just what i've read on here.

I think these are the two main things that are really wanted to know because spinning articles is a pain in the ass sometimes so is it really that necessary? Considering now you have to really spin them good for google not to notice, would you be better off spending that time writing another article and syndicating it. You tell me. A lot of these threads have gotten way of topic so I'm trying to bring it back down to the main dilemma here. Any its about article syndication and if we need to spend time spinning articles. Before you post, really think about this and plz try to back up your response with some proof or good reasoning

[kingston.knudsen]

Oh and another thing to consider is time delay! Is it possible that if the same article were submitted rapidly then google would notice and not pass any link love. But if they were dripped about every 6 hours, then they would get indexed over time. Im not sure about this but it seems very valid

[generalbax]

Hi all, does anyone know how to get .edu or .gov backlinks ? i can not find any "do follow "forums as this is only way to get a backlink as far as i am aware.. thx guys

[A Bary]

Google won't penalize you..that's correct..

But what will happen is, G. will simply "devalue" these links from duplicate content,

i.e., if you get 200 backlinks from article dir. from the same article, a small portion of these links will really affect your ranking...

Spinning your content may help a little, however, regular spinning isn't highly effective, you need to use a smart way to spin your content to make it highly unique....

[jonnoryan]

I agree with the guys above. Google won't penalize you

If they did, you could get nasty people to submit 100's of articles with their competitors links in them

[cscarpero]

I've built sites on dup content. I've built sites on original content. Yes, dup will get indexed, but original performs best every time.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by goldmind123

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But what will happen is, G. will simply "devalue" these links from duplicate content,

i.e., if you get 200 backlinks from article dir. from the same article, a small portion of these links will really affect your ranking...
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Makes sense frankly, but do you have an official source for this?

[A Bary]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Makes sense frankly, but do you have an official source for this?

And do you have an official source for the opposite ?

The point is, this is proved for me by experience and trial, spending countless hours on submitting one article to 400 directories with no significant results, in comparison to working on my content to make it unique and submit it to fewer places and getting remarkable results.....

Let's say this frankly, most of the SEO talk is theory, based on different people's experience..
But what I can state as a fact after few years doing this, is that Google algorithm (and I won't stop saying that) is a smart AI invention, trying to fool it may get you some improvement, but dealing with it following logic and common sense will do magic for your biz...

[A Bary]

Another point to add here..

When someone try to say that "quality matters", they are attacked by sharks with the question that they all think will end the debate:

"And how do you think Google's idiot robot can determine the quality"...

Again, if you apply logic, the answer will be so easy...

What a quality pieces of content have in common?

-More people will click on the search results' link to read them
-More people spend longer time to read it...
-More people CLICK on the links found inside/below/around them..
-More people will COMMENT on them...
-More people will LINK BACK to them from different domains, pages and ips

Do you think Google can measure all these values?

I bet they can...

Can these factors be artificially manipulated?

Yes, but to do this on a remarkable scale (pay people to stay more on your pages, pay people to comment on your blog, pay people to link back to you or build links) is just a waste of your resources, and you never get valuable return for your investment and time...

my 2 cents, these are not facts (to avoid any conflict), these are observations from my own experience...

First of all you need to learn what article marketing is before you even waste your time. You DO NOT use or submit any junk PLR articles, trash them because they are worthless. Sorry to all those that sell PLR Articles but let's face facts, 90% of all PLR articles are nothing but junk that have been given away at every free giveaway event online..

Unless you are buying "REAL" PLR articles from someone like Bev or a few others that actually really write the articles and limit the distribution of those articles, then you are seriously wasting your time and money.

You need to supply quality and well written articles that "you" have written (or your writer has written). You need to make sure these articles are of high quality and give proper information to the reader.

You can spin these articles if you choose to do so, it is NOT required because duplicate content penalty is a myth. If you choose to spin them then I suggest using a proper tool and using that tool properly. If all you want to use is some junk free spinner then do not bother spinning them at all...

Bottom line you are not doing article marketing submitting a bunch of PLR for backlinks, you are just junking up the internet some more.

You seriously need to read this thread
Article on site or EZA first ?

James

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by goldmind123

And do you have an official source for the opposite ?

Err, nope but I'm not stating it either.

I happen to share your opinion, that logically speaking it makes sense on paper.

The point is, this is proved for me by experience and tria.

That's fine, your entitled to come to your conclusion from your own testing.

Doesn't unfortunately make it fact , which is why I was asking if you had any relevent source, such as Google etc.

Here's one to ponder.

If dupe content did get a divided value from the backlinks within in it or some negative penality then you would argue that articles for backlinking were vastly less use than simply adding random backlinks with your anchor text without the article.

It's why on paper I've always considered the weight of links from dupe content is somehow diluted but It's still very much an unknown.

There are way to many potential variables in you or I "testing" to come to a verifiable conclusion that can be passed over as fact.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Another point to add here..

When someone try to say that "quality matters", they are attacked by sharks with the question that they all think will end the debate:

"And how do you think Google's idiot robot can determine the quality"...

Again, if you apply logic, the answer will be so easy...

What a quality pieces of content have in common?

-More people will click on the search results' link to read them
-More people spend longer time to read it...
-More people CLICK on the links found inside/below/around them..
-More people will COMMENT on them...
-More people will LINK BACK to them from different domains, pages and ips

Do you think Google can measure all these values?

I bet they can...

Can these factors be artificially manipulated?

Yes, but to do this on a remarkable scale (pay people to stay more on your pages, pay people to comment on your blog, pay people to link back to you or build links) is just a waste of your resources, and you never get valuable return for your investment and time...

my 2 cents, these are not facts (to avoid any conflict), these are observations from my own experience...

This old "quality" issue again.

The point is that dupe content can be high quality.

It's a moot argument within the context of this discussion.

Dupe content can fullfill the exact same criteria as above.

We could republish Einsteins theory of relativity to 100 sites, i think few would argue it's not still quality content just because it's been syndicated.

Quality content that readers like, click on etc, is not mutually exclusive to dupe content, otherwise every news syndication in the world would be pushing low "quality" content.

We are discussing, or at least I am, whether dupe content backlinks are diluted in relation to original content backlinks.

On the basis above , all Press Release marketing etc would be of decidely less value , every time the AP syndicates and an article out to 10000 sites , the links in it the content would have mininmal value and so on.

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

On the basis above , all Press Release marketing etc would be of decidely less value , every time the AP syndicates and an article out to 10000 sites , the links in it the content would have mininmal value and so on.

Exactly ......

James

[Tacit]

There was a good post and Don & Jeremy's blog that cleared up quite a few misconceptions for me. I won't plagiarise their content, just look it up.

[rjaf]

I cannot believe that Google has any technology that will crawl a site, keep, in memory, a copy of all content, and then compare it to everything else on that site, to check for duplicate content. NO WAY! That's Star Trek technology!

What is obviously true is that good articles get around the Web, and, if the folks who use your articles are honest, then your URL ends up all over the place, and that's it.

[heothanhtinh]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

First of all you need to learn what article marketing is before you even waste your time. You DO NOT use or submit any junk PLR articles, trash them because they are worthless. Sorry to all those that sell PLR Articles but let's face facts, 90% of all PLR articles are nothing but junk that have been given away at every free giveaway event online..

Unless you are buying "REAL" PLR articles from someone like Bev or a few others that actually really write the articles and limit the distribution of those articles, then you are seriously wasting your time and money.

You need to supply quality and well written articles that "you" have written (or your writer has written). You need to make sure these articles are of high quality and give proper information to the reader.

You can spin these articles if you choose to do so, it is NOT required because duplicate content penalty is a myth. If you choose to spin them then I suggest using a proper tool and using that tool properly. If all you want to use is some junk free spinner then do not bother spinning them at all...

Bottom line you are not doing article marketing submitting a bunch of PLR for backlinks, you are just junking up the internet some more.

You seriously need to read this thread


James

thanks for this information. I wonder it for 2 days

[A Bary]

Originally Posted by rjaf

I cannot believe that Google has any technology that will crawl a site, keep, in memory, a copy of all content, and then compare it to everything else on that site, to check for duplicate content. NO WAY! That's Star Trek technology!

What is obviously true is that good articles get around the Web, and, if the folks who use your articles are honest, then your URL ends up all over the place, and that's it.

[webbyworld]

No Google will never penalize you for that! But you might loose the importance of many backlinks from the duplicate content. Google will simply avoid them and will not count them as backlinks for your site.

[Michi Kono]

As long as the directories accept your duplicated contents, you shouldn't have any problem with Google and if those sites have high PR, they will send you some link love.

Originally Posted by webbyworld

But you might loose the importance of many backlinks from the duplicate content. Google will simply avoid them and will not count them as backlinks for your site.

No you do not .. It's called syndication and it is very normal. Press Release Sites and New Sites do this all the time and trust me you do not suffer from backlinks not being counted...

James

[rjaf]

@A Bary

Not sure what confused you - but to state my case more clearly:

For Google to crawl a site, record what's on a page, i.e. record all text strings on a page, then compare the text strings on that one page to the text strings on the other pages within the same site is very memory-intensive and CPU-intensive.

To extrapolate that mechanism to the whole internet is just an impossibility. Google's huge, but not magic. It can't compare content like that. Spinning, to avoid some sort of Google slap, is unnecessary.

HTH

[firstdandy]

I don't think google will penalize for duplicate content, but It's not that easy to be indexed with 100 % duplicate content

[Bengee]

Originally Posted by MarketItAll

Hey All,

I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. What do you all think about back links that are coming from duplicate content? For example you get a pack of PLR articles, and submit them to article directories for some back links. Only problem is about 50 other people had the articles and did the same thing. Would Google penalize you for this? Would they not penalize you, but not give you credit for the backlink? Would you get some credit for the backlink but not full? Or would you get just as much credit as any other original article?

What do you think?

I've heard that Google just will not index any duplicate content, which I guess would give you no credit for the back link. Supposedly the first site to have the content up gets indexed and credit, but any after that no indexing.

I would love to hear opinions on this, or any other information you may have!

I do not think that backlinks from dupe content can hurt you, but they might not help as much as from unique content.