Tried to Warn Some People About Forum Links - Now you will WANT to listen

[4morereferrals]

Too silly. Thats not the proof. NO follow is nofollow even outside of Vbulletin 4. Nice try at a strawman argument. The nofollow tag works as advertised and I 've presented the evidence several times. Its simple

The well established and now historical practice of thousands of webmasters that used to practice pagerank sculpting. the practice of webmasters of using it (incorrectly though) to not get a page indexed that they don't want indexed.

Its never been just because Google said so but the conspiracy theory about them creating it, selling it to all webmasters and then the webmaster all being fooled is really entertaining stuff. Maybe you can get A nice Will Smith Movie built around the concept. I'd pay to see it. Comedy right? Or did they do it already in a sequel to Men in Black I haven't seen?

You nofollow guys are on the outside looking in in almost every other group of professional SEOs. its only in Im you can peddle the water from the washed hog.


But thanks anyway at least you and Jazbo are getting down to what I said all along was the real beef. My position on nofollow completely separate from this thread and before this thread.


Truth is refreshing no matter how grudgingly and backhanded the truth is finally admitted. See I didn't have to prove that you had a previous issue with me. You went right ahead and demonstrated it by bringing up the same previous debate in this one.

I hereby am officially bored. You all can bump it as many times you want form here on in. Denials, more character assassinations etc. The more people that read the OP the better. As one of the four would say - Flame on. I'll make my "subscription" to this thread expire as of now..

Incidentally I stand corrected about forums. I had no idea that when forum software was wrapped by a community it no longer qualifies as forum software. Interesting programming concept.

Priceless ...

[Terry Kyle]

To put aside all of the inflammatory rhetoric and focus on the issues:

In my experience...the Web is obviously in a constant state of evolution and today's Twitter can often turn out to be yesterday's Amstrad/Amiga (mixed metaphor that almost works there).

As long as linkbuilding is essential to ranking well in Google Organic results, backlinking will be an essential element for any Internet Marketer whose particular business model depends on decent Google Organic rankings.

From all of the different types of backlinks that I have experimented with, forums with decent TLD PageRank have given me the best SERP results. The possible exception to that could be contextual backlinks on high PageRank homepages - that's why I'm running a public experiment on that right now for my IM list where I have purchased 2 PR5 domains and 1 PR4 so far, and am reporting all my findings there.

Time will tell how effective these homepage backlinks prove.

Adaptation, experimentation and refinement on an ongoing basis in SEO is thus essential and I have no long-term allegiance to forum backlinks in themselves.

My loyalty is to results and providing the best possible information on my successes and (frequent) failures to my/our subscriber base.

If forum backlinks became ineffective tomorrow, I would migrate to the new Google 'darling' and continue with the above underlying principles of testing, trying and reporting findings.

Personally, I do like forum backlinks much more than, say, blog commenting because forum profile backlinks are a a fairly unintrusive form of linkspam (unlike blog commenting which is pretty aggressive and 'impolite').

However, that doesn't mean that I wouldn't ditch forum profile backlinks tomorrow if they no longer proved effective.

I never dispute anyone else's SEO success or methods and only report what works and doesn't work for me (e.g. countless article directory backlinks were a massive waste of time and money for me even though, in theory, they should work and others seem to have had success with them).

Hopefully, I have always backed up my arguments with specific evidence in terms of (my) high ranking sites in Google.

In the case of the VB4 upgrade (and it's a real monster to come to grips with, by the way), let's see:

[1] How many forum owners upgrade to VB4 and, perhaps more importantly, how long it takes for them to upgrade. Nothing lasts forever in business and change is inevitable but for now VB is a fantastic source of backlinks and link juice.

[2] How big an issue default nofollow is on VB4. Given the cumbersome nature of VB4's control panel, I suspect that many/most who use it, will leave nofollow on. But then what percentage of current users of sub-VB4 will upgrade in the next year or 2 years?

I honestly don't know but when the picture emerges, some adaptation will probably be necessary.

In fact, one of the great strengths of Internet business (unlike 'offline' businesses) is the speed with which adaptation can be implemented.

In the case of our own forum backlinks, we currently work across 6 platforms so even if VB were completely knocked out tomorrow, we would shift to other platforms - or to a completely different type of backlink if Google decided to favour that more.

My own business philosophy is that I would like all of my clients/partners to still be with me 10 years from now because they get great results from my materials.

Whether those materials contain forum backlinks sites or any VB sites is irrelevant. It is the results that are consistently achieved that my allegiance is to when it comes to linkbuilding and SEO, not any particular platform or backlink type.

Hopefully that clarifies my position in this colourful debate.

[bigcat1967]

In short vbulletin is out to make outgoing backlinks nofollow.

So what. NoFollow was a lie from the beginning. It's been proven that GoogleBot (at least them) ignores this attribute.

I don't take stock in this NF rule - I've post links on both NF & DF sites and they work for me.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

[1] How many forum owners upgrade to VB4 and, perhaps more importantly, how long it takes for them to upgrade. Nothing lasts forever in business and change is inevitable but for now VB is a fantastic source of backlinks and link juice.

[2] How big an issue default nofollow is on VB4. Given the cumbersome nature of VB4's control panel, I suspect that many/most who use it, will leave nofollow on. But then what percentage of current users of sub-VB4 will upgrade in the next year or 2 years?

Terry saw your name on this browsing the index and I knew I wanted to read your take on it. The only take that would get me back in here.

I appreciate your candor, honestly and straightforwardness. Its what I have liked about you particularly in your experiment thread. I've read your post twice and take no issue with it AT ALL. I tend to believe this version will get a good uptake going forward and envision as I said in the OP at least another year or more before getting big traction. Like I said in my very first sentence forum backlinking is fine and will be for awhile regardless.

Especially appreciate the candor in stating that the nofollow in VB4 will probably stick for most that upgrade. As I've said several times I use forum backlinks quite a bit too and am assessing going forward in my own system. I see no way going forward that I don't lose some links due to VB4 going nofollow and given enough time expect it be sufficient enough to address. Historically I can't see most forums never upgrading. They will at some point. I share your view of being committed to no technique but rolling with what comes and like your acceptance of things changing. I'm attempting to get an early grip on this change. i'm presently even addressing that for this months links in my system. Trying to get better balance.

Again thanks for your input. Not that you should or would care but I expected a different perspective from you as I stated and you did not disappoint ( and no I am not implying any broad agreements between us on any host of issues). Best to you man

[Fraggler]

Battle of the backlinking WSO! If people would only learn to use Google and footprints there wouldn't be a need for any of these public profile backlinking packages...

Mike, I really enjoy your posts even though I don't always agree (*cough*wordpress vs html*cough*) with what you say. They are usually based on researched reasoning/logic and not blind faith.

You will never win an argument against someone who blindly believes no-follow links are worthwhile.

[Marhelper]

"No Follow," so what? Of course, you should have a balanced portfolio of links but just b/c a forum goes "No Follow" does not make it worthless.

[shaktimaan]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

As for the original post about Vbulletin, the fact remains that:

(1) vbulletin is but one fish in a sea of many (actually based upon my research there were more SMF sites than VB, most likely because SMF is free I believe);

But figures does not support your research . Also Page Rank of vb forums is higher than smf forums.

In smf version 2.00 website title option is not availalbe.

[Gary Becks]

What is it with the "balanced portfolio" thing? Who is going out and actually building nofollow links? Even if they built up Pr to your domain what good is does that do you unless you are site flipping? I mean am I missing something here? I am 100% certain that they have absolutely no effect on serps so why are people continuing to say thay they are still of use? Please enlighten me...

[jazbo]

Blindly? Do some testing, open your mind, you might be surprised at what you see happening.

Originally Posted by Fraggler

Battle of the backlinking WSO! If people would only learn to use Google and footprints there wouldn't be a need for any of these public profile backlinking packages...

Mike, I really enjoy your posts even though I don't always agree (*cough*wordpress vs html*cough*) with what you say. They are usually based on researched reasoning/logic and not blind faith.

You will never win an argument against someone who blindly believes no-follow links are worthwhile.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Fraggler

You will never win an argument against someone who blindly believes no-follow links are worthwhile.

Unfortunately I think you missed the point that most of us made in the other thread about no-follow. I certainly never stated that no-follow passes link juice or has any SEO fact. In fact, I think they probably don't. All I stated (and many others have stated), is that it is not a fact that no-follow does not pass link juice or have any SEO value.

As an example,

-- The Detroit Lions stink (my hometown) --> Fact
-- The WarriorForum is PR4 --> Fact
-- Matt Cutts looks better with a goatee than without --> Opinion
-- No-follow doesn't pass link juice or helps in SEO --> Opinion (albeit, a very likely one, IMHO)

I really don't think #4 should be that controversial.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by shaktimaan

But figures does not support your research . Also Page Rank of vb forums is higher than smf forums.

In smf version 2.00 website title option is not availalbe.

Ever heard of the signature option in SMF ;-) As for figures, I did probably more scraping on forums that anyone around. At the end of the day, I had over 35,000 forums from each of SMF and Vbulletin. But guess which one had more?

[shaktimaan]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Ever heard of the signature option in SMF ;-)

Forum owner can disable signature option but website option can not be get rid of and in smf 2.00 website option is without anchor text.

You know it better than i do.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by shaktimaan

Forum owner can disable signature option but website option can not be get rid of and in smf 2.00 website option is without anchor text.

You know it better than i do.

Of course the signature option can be turned off in VB too , but your point is well taken

Tom

[dburk]

Originally Posted by jazbo

I agree that nofollow is not useless, but very strongly rather than mildly!

What the people who scream "nofollow is useless, ignore those links" are forgetting, is that if the page is indexed and already has followed links pointing at it, then Google still uses nofollow link anchor text to establish and build RELEVANCY.

So ignoring nofollow means you are very simply putting a self-imposed limit on the strength of your chosen search term relevancy, and possible co-citation benefits.

Hi Jazbo,


I wish that were true, but Matt Cutts has indicated on several occasions that it doesn't pass relevancy.

"In Google, nofollow links don't pass PageRank and don't pass anchortext"

"Nofollow links definitely don’t pass PageRank. Over the years, I’ve seen a few corner cases where a nofollow link did pass anchortext, normally due to bugs in indexing that we then fixed. The essential thing you need to know is that nofollow links don’t help sites rank higher in Google’s search results."

- Matt Cutts

source: PageRank sculpting

Where nofollow backs are useful is in getting indexed more quickly and are very useful for getting targeted traffic. In fact they may be even more useful than most dofollow links for generating targeted traffic. Only about 1/4 of all web traffic comes through search engines. If you focus exclusively on search engine traffic you are leaving the bulk of all traffic to your competition.

[xx Silver xx]

can you get backlink juice at all from website name only ?? on a forum profile.

[Mike Anthony]

I bowed out of this thread but I think I just came across something so rich I had to share it

After post upon post of attacks about the authenticness of this thread and how false the issue is could a simple image provide all the proof of the relevance of VB 4 going nofollow? In providing it I'll reanswer a question asked before

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

BTW, did you catch who created that thread and why it was created? Someone read your sensationalist headline and slanted copy and inferred ideas from your tone and copy without understanding the issues involved,

What would he have inferred from my alleged sensational headline? What issue would he have misunderstood?

Well That some of the links he created in a vbulletin 4 forum would go nofollow because of the default nofollow in the Version 4.

Now those of you who use firefox's plugin to determine nofollow or at least know of it can you tell me what this image means particularly the red/pink area that the nofollow plugin shows?


http://www.relevancejuice.com/vbproof.jpg

So am i reading that right? is the same forum that people are coming from and attacking this thread and me personally running VB4 and in fact showing their own profile links as nofollow? Say it aint so. No one could be that hypocritical. Somebody obviously thought they would be getting a good link from that forum and HERES THE KICKER the someone was the same person who asked the question and was told I WAS the one leading him astray.

I mean its possible my nofollow plugin is on the fritz so I doubled checked and yeah poor sap has a nofollow link right were old Mike Anthony told him he would get a nofollow.

So question. If a forum that pushes forum backlinking should and would be without the nofollow tag and yet has it because it runs VB4 what do you think is the affect it would have on the hundreds and thousands of forums where backlinkers are instucted to lie low because forum masters wouldn't want to see it there to begin with even before VB4?

Couldn't turn out much better as far as I am concerned. The best example of the nofollow effect of VB4 comes from one the chief detractors of this thread's very own board that he runs. You guys are awesome!

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I bowed out of this thread but I think I just came across something so rich I had to share it

After post upon post of attacks about the authenticness of this thread and how false the issue is could a simple image provide all the proof of the relevance of VB 4 going nofollow? In providing it I'll reanswer a question asked before




What would he have inferred from my alleged sensational headline? What issue would he have misunderstood?

Well That some of the links he created in a vbulletin 4 forum would go nofollow because of the default nofollow in the Version 4.

Now those of you who use firefox's plugin to determine nofollow or at least know of it can you tell me what this image means particularly the red/pink area that the nofollow plugin shows?


http://www.relevancejuice.com/vbproof.jpg

So am i reading that right? is the same forum that people are coming from and attacking this thread and me personally running VB4 and in fact showing their own profile links as nofollow? Say it aint so. No one could be that hypocritical. Somebody obviously thought they would be getting a good link from that forum and HERES THE KICKER the someone was the same person who asked the question and was told I WAS the one leading him astray.

I mean its possible my nofollow plugin is on the fritz so I doubled checked and yeah poor sap has a nofollow link right were old Mike Anthony told him he would get a nofollow.

So question. If a forum that pushes forum backlinking should and would be without the nofollow tag and yet has it because it runs VB4 what do you think is the affect it would have on the hundreds and thousands of forums where backlinkers are instucted to lie low because forum masters wouldn't want to see it there to begin with even before VB4?

Couldn't turn out much better as far as I am concerned. The best example of the nofollow effect of VB4 comes from one the chief detractors of this thread's very own board that he runs. You guys are awesome!

Sigh...why do you keep picking fights when they don't exist Mike?

I am certainly not one of your detractors. I actually agree with 95% of what you say. The issue I have is that you pick a fight with everyone, even when there is no fight to pick. You just jump down everyone's throat for no apparent reason. No one is out to get you.

As for our forum, Terry and I made a conscious decision to have signature links no-follow (until a user has a 10 posts and PMs either me or Terry). As Terry and I have said time and time again, how to setup a forum should be up to the moderators/owner. No less, no more. Every forum owner on the planet can make that decision for themselves. That does not contradict anything I have ever said on this topic. That's another fact.

Why are getting so bent out of shape for no reason at all? Please just relax for all of our sakes.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Fraggler

Mike, I really enjoy your posts even though I don't always agree (*cough*wordpress vs html*cough*)
.

. Guess what? I am reversing course but not for any reason mentioned in that thread or because of anything lacking in HTML. I'll get to that one day. I'll put that in the Mike Anthony Reveals thread L wilson is begging for.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Sigh...why do you keep picking fights when they don't exist Mike?

whose thread is this Tom and you've been in it for awhile now along with people from your forum making all kinds of personal accusations. I don't recall going after anything you said until you did. Incidently PM terry because your own sig is Nofollow. You are way over 20 posts treat yourself or are you page rank sculpting? (just kidding- that isn't practiced anymore - and never was on external links)

anyway appreciated Terry's response. No need to get back into another round with you . Just thought Id point that out for what its worth and that your own sig is nofollow as well. As Terry has already graciously admitted it is in fact difficult/cumbersome to get out of the default nofollow so yes I can understand why that would be set up that way on that basis but it still is indicative of VB4 to have it that way to begin with as the default setting . So I don't see the point evaporating regarding nofollow sticking on VB4 sites even if you refuse to concede it . Terry has already done so..

As for not contradicting anything you say and do on and to other forums that would be a whole nother debate which shouldn't be in this thread or the accusations you've leveled for that matter but I'll leave it there. Never anticipated such a long thread for such a simple uncontradictable reality regarding VB4

Incidentally if you do subscribe to other backlink sellers list (I never do and never would) please contact me. I don't want to confuse the thomas Goodwin I have viewing mine if it isn't you. I'd PM you but given our exchanges you might construe it about something else. (or if you would prefer to avoid contact then you can unsubscribe using Paypal). I'm not looking for any off board wrangling just don't think it s appropriate if it is you.

Thanks and yes before the nofollow disagreement I remembered happier times. Maybe you can just ignore when I comment on Nofollow if you choose since even you think its more than likely true. I see it as a fact and until evidence is presented that contradicts that I will continue to hold that position. I am not going to write "I feel" for something so mainline SEO. that gives the newbie the impression that this mainline position is weaker than it in fact is and they waste time with it. You can see people talking about it counting as a fact on the boards. ambiguity isn't helpful to them. Sorry that you characterize not using "feel" or "think" as arrogant but thats the way it is. In SEO circles this is regarded a s a fact and a few people disagreeing doesn't mean everyone should bend away from it being a fact to suit the few.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Incidentally if you do subscribe to other backlink sellers list (I never do and never would) please contact me. I don't want to confuse the thomas Goodwin I have viewing mine if it isn't you. I'd PM you but given our exchanges you might construe it about something else. (or if you would prefer to avoid contact then you can unsubscribe using Paypal). I'm not looking for any off board wrangling just don't think it s appropriate if it is you.

I don't need to avoid contact I spend >$3,000 a month on automated monthly payments through paypal and probably don't actually use 75% of any of it anymore. Stupid, I know. I am just lazy about clearing out my paypal recurring stuff. To answer your question, I honestly don't know I'll do some snooping through my paypal records and if i do subscribe i'll fix it (and save me some $$)

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Thanks and yes before the nofollow disagreement I remembered happier times. Maybe you can just ignore when I comment on Nofollow if you choose since even you think its more than likely true

That's fair Mike.

Tom

[Mike Anthony]

Thanks for taking care of that Tom. At least we can end on one good note.

[reapr]

Ok I am scratching my head again about the nofollow comments throughout this thread ... yes they do provide value and they are of value in SEO just depends on what SE your talking about. They can also provide a lot of traffic and a high PR nofollow my be indicative of some traffic if that PR page you place a link on has not been manipulated by SEO types and is fairly recent.

[Thoma$]

Originally Posted by Hasan Barbary

Hi, April ~

Here's a tip you may find helpful: one of the easiest ways to "diversify your link portfolio" is to analyze & emulate the backlinks of the top-ranking competitors in your niche.

Yeah this is a good one, except doing this takes hours and hours of work. It will eventually be rewarded by Google if the top 3 competitors in your niche don't have 1000s among 1000s of quality backlinks (ok keyword research is here to help but still) but this is a VERY, VERY long term approach to obtaining high quality backlinks. Those "oversold / overspammed" forum backlinks can do the job within months, weeks or even days depending on your niche.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Thoma$

Yeah this is a good one, except doing this takes hours and hours of work. It will eventually be rewarded by Google if the top 3 competitors in your niche don't have 1000s among 1000s of quality backlinks (ok keyword research is here to help but still) but this is a VERY, VERY long term approach to obtaining high quality backlinks. Those oversold / overspammed forum backlinks can do the job within months, weeks or even days depending on your niche.

Whats kinda funny is - that others selling competing sites/backlink offers to all the alledgedly "over sold" ones is ... limits like < 300 Limited to < 150 etc ... is already oversold and over spammed at 30-40 buyers.

Webmasters getting 30-40 < 100 brand new subs in 3-4-5 days is a red flag and the jig is up then.

Additionally a significant % of buyers never even bother to unzip the file.

Differnt subject - kinda ....

And Im sorry - but - if Adobe, Microsoft, the RIAA, et al cant make a dent in BH give aways - torrent downloads, serial cracks etc ... there are few IF ANY sellers here that have the horsepower to curb the theft / sharing of the products either.

If your stuff aint getting stole -it might not be worth their time to bother cracking/stealing it.

[Gary Becks]

Originally Posted by reapr

Ok I am scratching my head again about the nofollow comments throughout this thread ... yes they do provide value and they are of value in SEO just depends on what SE your talking about. They can also provide a lot of traffic and a high PR nofollow my be indicative of some traffic if that PR page you place a link on has not been manipulated by SEO types and is fairly recent.

You might be right here. I have to say that I for one do not optimize my sites for any other search engines but google and as far as they are cconcerned they mean zilch...

[reapr]

Originally Posted by Thoma$

Yeah this is a good one, except doing this takes hours and hours of work. It will eventually be rewarded by Google if the top 3 competitors in your niche don't have 1000s among 1000s of quality backlinks (ok keyword research is here to help but still) but this is a VERY, VERY long term approach to obtaining high quality backlinks. Those oversold / overspammed forum backlinks can do the job within months, weeks or even days depending on your niche.

Great concept ... I do have a link farm to sell you from 2000-2001.

You are right that the overspammed/oversold can do the job rather quickly but ...

The thing I have noticed that many that I considered competitors that did not diversify back then and did the "link farms" only are no longer my competitors. The ones who diversified and I know who they are were linking in forums, articles, other sites, link farms and any place they could find a link. In other words they were diversified. In fact I can only think of about four competitors that are left in a very strong niche that returns 160 million results broad search. With all the first page competitors they are all using linking strategies that are from many different sources and many of those competitors are less than 2-3 years old!

Don't get me wrong I find a lot of value in dofollow links but if a linking strategy is so narrow it is limited to one or two types of site backlinks it will severely limit your ability to survive long term. Google and other SE always change thier algo's and well ... it can kill off many sites based on a very narrow linking strategy very fast.

In other words yes always do what works now but always diversify your link building strategy for the long term ...

[zoobie]

well. That's not bad news actually. Just means people have to find another way to do backlink rather than just Forums. I don't solely to use forums to build backlinks though.

It just happen to people who just do one source of backlinking and never do others.
It is NOT safe as in investment, doing business etc..

You've just got to have a contingency plan always.

[Thoma$]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

And Im sorry - but - if Adobe, Microsoft, the RIAA, et al cant make a dent in BH give aways - torrent downloads, serial cracks etc ... there are few IF ANY sellers here that have the horsepower to curb the theft / sharing of the products either.

If your stuff aint getting stole -it might not be worth their time to bother cracking/stealing it.

I agree with this. These BH idiots ruin the whole concept for everybody (I don't have anything against Black*hatters, I am one myself. Just against the ones sharing profiles packets.)

Originally Posted by reapr

Great concept ... I do have a link farm to sell you from 2000-2001.

You are right that the overspammed/oversold can do the job rather quickly but ...

The thing I have noticed that many that I considered competitors that did not diversify back then and did the "link farms" only are no longer my competitors. The ones who diversified and I know who they are were linking in forums, articles, other sites, link farms and any place they could find a link. In other words they were diversified. In fact I can only think of about four competitors that are left in a very strong niche that returns 160 million results broad search. With all the first page competitors they are all using linking strategies that are from many different sources and many of those competitors are less than 2-3 years old!

Don't get me wrong I find a lot of value in dofollow links but if a linking strategy is so narrow it is limited to one or two types of site backlinks it will severely limit your ability to survive long term. Google and other SE always change thier algo's and well ... it can kill off many sites based on a very narrow linking strategy very fast.

In other words yes always do what works now but always diversify your link building strategy for the long term ...

100% agree with this. I personally use all the strategies available (blog commenting, article directories, directories, PR release, blog posts, forum profiles/High pr profiles links, forum sigs, social networks, social bookmarking etc...). I know some are way more efficient than others but in the long run, who knows ? So I like to use them all and try to automate the process every time I can (vs reverse engineering competitors backlinks manually).

[Mike Anthony]

Woah! this thread still going

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Whats kinda funny is - that others selling competing sites/backlink offers to all the alledgedly "over sold" ones is ... limits like < 300 Limited to < 150 etc ... is already oversold and over spammed at 30-40 buyers.

LOL! I dont't know a single backlink seller that claims that any packet with 30-40 users is oversold. Invention is always entertaining.

However lets get real here. The first thing anyone learns when going about finding forum backlinks is the scrape of "powered by vbulletin" with all its various add ons and permutations. I teach that in my very first video on the subject. Elementary. Plenty people own copies of scrapebox that make this even easier. So the chances are vanishingly small that you are going to end up with one list that doesn't have duplicates of another mass sold list over time especially when you consider that most will gravitate to the high PR forum sites.

[Mike Anthony]

Incidentally theres even more potentially bad news for backlinkers brewing. Got to keep up on this stuff for my subscribers best interest

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...5uDROOUgJU7LZX

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Woah! this thread still going



LOL! I dont't know a single backlink seller that claims that any packet with 30-40 users is oversold. Invention is always entertaining.

However lets get real here. The first thing anyone learns when going about finding forum backlinks is the scrape of "powered by vbulletin" with all its various add ons and permutations. I teach that in my very first video on the subject. Elementary. Plenty people own copies of scrapebox that make this even easier. So the chances are vanishingly small that you are going to end up with one list that doesn't have duplicates of another mass sold list over time especially when you consider that most will gravitate to the high PR forum sites.

I think you may have misinterpreted what I meant to say. Admittedly - I didnt word it too well.

Of course no competing backlink list seller is going to come out and declare anyone elses list is over - sold at 30-40 users. They just declare theirs is better, top notch, best etc ... because they will "limit" it in some way. But... I dont believe there is much difference to the end user after 30-40 buyers ... the damage doesnt get done at the magical 301'st buyer or the 151'st.

However lets get real here. The first thing anyone learns when going about finding forum backlinks is the scrape of "powered by vbulletin" with all its various add ons and permutations. I teach that in my very first video on the subject. Elementary.

Hence why I dont do it ... its just a personal choice - not a condemnation of the other people with stuff in that space.

So the chances are vanishingly small that you are going to end up with one list that doesn't have duplicates of another mass sold list

So I wonder why its all the rage to highlite that "benefit" [ limited sales - feined exclusivity - scarcity etc... ] in the sales copy?

[reapr]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Incidentally theres even more potentially bad news for backlinkers brewing. Got to keep up on this stuff for my subscribers best interest

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...5uDROOUgJU7LZX

Well I am not really that concerned we have seen changes that have threatened the industry so many times I have honestly lost track. 2004 was the worse of the changes IMHO but I would not call it devastating.

What is white hat today may become black hat to the SE's tomorrow. I would rather spend my time moving forward than looking backwards and this is done by diversifying your links building.

On a lighter note with many people creating all these backlink threads it may be time to create a separate forum.

[firstdandy]

Wow, Really that bad? Hope It's not that bad.

[p2y]

LOL I'm surprised this thread is still alive.

[netmatrix]

The lesson to take away from this thread is ... drum roll...

Diversify your link building.

I do agree with the OP and believe that the change to vb will have an effect to forum link juice, but its impossible to speculate just how much of an effect it will have. Google is constantly changing its algorithm and we as IM's must stay up-to-date with what is working right now by constantly testing and implementing.

Do you know which of your link building strategies/campaigns is most effective?

[halfpoint]

Originally Posted by p2y

LOL I'm surprised this thread is still alive.

Haven't you heard?! The sky is falling!!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Pat Jackson

Haven't you heard?! The sky is falling!!

Only for those selling Vbulletin profile automation

[reapr]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Only for those selling Vbulletin profile automation

Oh no that's the end of all profile links ... forever!

[Thoma$]

Originally Posted by reapr

Oh no that's the end of all profile links ... forever!

I doubt about it, vbulletin is one thing, profile links is another. Thousands of different platforms & custom sites allow dofollow profile links. Not just vbulletin.

[reapr]

I think I need to go back to acting school or take a warm bath with a straight razor ... not every one seems to get my sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Thoma$

I doubt about it, vbulletin is one thing, profile links is another. Thousands of different platforms & custom sites allow dofollow profile links. Not just vbulletin.