Angelas Backlink service...

[fskcramer]

Alright I've been testing out Angelas backlink system and It's been about a week since I started. I've found my ip on a black list. stopforumspam.com or something like that. I was not happy. This is the first and last time I try that method/approach.

It makes me think if we try to build links in a way that looks natural to google. How do we just naturally build links? And why try and beat the horse to death with these "organized spam" system.

Anyone else had a similar experience?

[Jill Carpenter]

Have you made a point of going to the thread you bought the service from, and expressing your concerns and experience? Because if I were to consider this service, I would certainly want to know this information.

[Spyros]

Blackhat SEO is NEVER a good practice. Only do things naturally if you do not want to feel google's wrath at some point (there WILL be that point sooner or later).

[fskcramer]

I'm just glad I got a slap on the wrist before I messed up bad lol.

[Tom Goodwin]

(1) i'm not quite sure what a natural link is. IMHO, the only way to do that is with either loads of $$$$ or a workforce of employees at your whim, and/or lots and lots of time. Putting up links on EZA and linking back to your site isn't natural, but to each their own. Setting up a site on squidoo and linking back to your money site is not natural.

(2) Google created this result with the way they decided to rank websites.

(3) Google ranks sites all the time with the most unnatural linking pattern you have ever seen in your life.

(4) appearing at stopforumspam is of little concern. It was set up by someone with some extra time on their hands. I probably have 20 usernames (some many times) on that site.

Tom

Originally Posted by fskcramer

Alright I've been testing out Angelas backlink system and It's been about a week since I started. I've found my ip on a black list. stopforumspam.com or something like that. I was not happy. This is the first and last time I try that method/approach.

It makes me think if we try to build links in a way that looks natural to google. How do we just naturally build links? And why try and beat the horse to death with these "organized spam" system.

Anyone else had a similar experience?

[fskcramer]

Is it better to be listed there and to create those links then? Or avoid that and naturally create the links?

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by fskcramer

Is it better to be listed there and to create those links then? Or avoid that and naturally create the links?

Being listed on that site is no harm no foul.

As already stated, I don't know what natural link building means. I'm still waiting to hear that one out ;-) The only truly natural way is to get others to link to you without any sort of arrangement with them (as then it really be a "vote" for your site). That can certainly be done, but it generally requires lots and lots of $$$, time or a large workforce. If you have one or more of those, then good luck.

Writing articles, or web 2.0 blogging, with links back to your sites is not natural link building. It never was and it never will be, despite what all of the article marketers try to sell you.

In any event, you can rank well with unnatural linking as has been shown time and time again.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

(1) i'm not quite sure what a natural link is. IMHO, the only way to do that is with either loads of $$$$ or a workforce of employees at your whim, and/or lots and lots of time. Putting up links on EZA and linking back to your site isn't natural, but to each their own. Setting up a site on squidoo and linking back to your money site is not natural.

Yes thats natural - writers naturally get bylines and links on many publications. The idea is that you supply content - something worthwhile to the web so you earn those links. Its natural because thats how the sites are meant to operate.

fskcramer if you provided content to a few of the higher PR sites then you would not be labeled as a spammer. There are plenty of sites that will be happy with your links if you provide some participation

(4) appearing at stopforumspam is of little concern. It was set up by someone with some extra time on their hands. I probably have 20 usernames (some many times) on that site.

Tom

Come on Tom. Thats ridiculous. There are many businesses that can suffer from being considered spammers. Your situation is not representative.

LOL. Just saw your sig. Whats that all about?

[Jill Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

It was set up by someone with some extra time on their hands. I probably have 20 usernames (some many times) on that site.

Tom

I think the issue is that person did have better things to do than clean the spam off their site non stop.

There's a saying I've heard:
"If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by fskcramer

Alright I've been testing out Angelas backlink system and It's been about a week since I started. I've found my ip on a black list. stopforumspam.com or something like that. I was not happy. This is the first and last time I try that method/approach.

probably because you spamed one of my forums to get a profile link. Across our network we report them all. A lot of other forums are doing the same. My staff also report the sites to Google via the spam report tool as using this method for building links. Google have a blog post about not building links this way.

Forum admins are fighting back against the abuse of their sites. What were you expecting by spamming?

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I think the issue is that person did have better things to do than clean the spam off their site non stop.

There's a saying I've heard:
"If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

We are talking about just profiles here right, and not spamming posts (ala xrumer)? Each person has to decide their own ethical compass on everything from forum profiles, to social bookmarking, to splogging, etc.

Each forum owner can decide for their own on their own setup, but as a VB forum owner myself I don't have an issue with links in profiles. Of course, I was also smart about turning on do-follow unless some asks me for do-follow. Again, the forum owners decision.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

probably because you spamed one of my forums to get a profile link. Across our network we report them all. A lot of other forums are doing the same. My staff also report the sites to Google via the spam report tool as using this method for building links. Google have a blog post about not building links this way.

Forum admins are fighting back against the abuse of their sites. What were you expecting by spamming?

Google has blog posts about a lot of things (actually, its matt cutts, not Google per se). Matt cutts wouldn't be a fan of 99.9% if the backlink building discussed around here. That doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

As a VB forum owner myself, leave links in the profiles all you want. Start spamming posts intrusively and i'll get your arse.

[Tom Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Yes thats natural - writers naturally get bylines and links on many publications. The idea is that you supply content - something worthwhile to the web so you earn those links. Its natural because thats how the sites are meant to operate.

Its not natural in the sense of a "vote" though. If I have a site on blue monkeys with purple pants, and I write an article to EZA about blue monkeys (with or without purple pants), and link that back to my money site, should that be a vote? Not in the true sense of it.

Now if Arlen Specter write a an article on blue monkeys (with yellow pants), but really liked my site and decided to link to my site, then yes, that's a vote.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Come on Tom. Thats ridiculous. There are many businesses that can suffer from being considered spammers. Your situation is not representative.

I doubt Coca-Cola needs to get backlinks through any of the ideas mentioned on here, let alone through profile links. In most instances any company that is big enough to care is big enough to not be using these backlink methods.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

LOL. Just saw your sig. Whats that all about?

Well...I was having one of these moments upset at someone, and at first I was going to have a pretty derogatory sig. Upon further review, I just changed it to that. I have a chocolate lab by the way.

[KimPup]

Excuse my ignorance, but I probably here at least once a day online about "Angela's" backlinks......who and where is this "Angela" and why does she never comment (that I've seen) in threads such as this???

[jasonmorgan]

Excuse my ignorance, but I probably here at least once a day online about "Angela's" backlinks......who and where is this "Angela" and why does she never comment (that I've seen) in threads such as this???

She's busy laughing all the way to the bank

and yes....

this is not the Angela's Backlinks Support Forum

at least buy backlinks from the guys who are here regularly and provide real substance to the forum. Michael Anthony, Kok Choon, Tom Goodwin and Terry Kyle to name a few off the top of my head.

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

We are talking about just profiles here right, and not spamming posts (ala xrumer)?.

Its still spam and it still gets reported.

[jigsawguy]

Sorry am I missing something here! If forum owners don't want people to setup profiles for the purpose of backlinking, why don't they just remove the capability to drop your link in the profile. End of story. No one would bother setting up a forum profile if they were not getting any benefit from it. This seems pretty basic to me.

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by jigsawguy

Sorry am I missing something here! If forum owners don't want people to setup profiles for the purpose of backlinking, why don't they just remove the capability to drop your link in the profile. End of story. No one would bother setting up a forum profile if they were not getting any benefit from it. This seems pretty basic to me.

You can try and dress it up anyway you like. If you are creating the profile for the purposes of getting a backlink to the site, then its spam (why do you think the OP's IP address turned up on a forum spam database?).

If you add a link in your profile or signature and join the community to be a member of the community and contribute to the community, then that is different.

Its all about intentions - think what you can give to the community and NOT what can you get from the community.

[jigsawguy]

I'm not dressing anything up and I think you miss my point. There are many ways for forum owners to solve the problem - remove the capability to place a link in a profile, make the links no-follow or make the profile pages private, to name but a few. If forum owners were to take pro active measures to discourage profile backlinkers, the problem goes away for them. If you leave it open, then don't be surprised at the consequences.

[chooch]

Guess I missed something here. I thought this was a rant on Angela's backlinks.

I have used Angela's packets in the past and also use them today, when I don't have time to work on my backlinks. I have never had any problem with her product. As long as you do exactly as she instructs, you should not have any problems. If you do not follow her instructions this can happen.

[4morereferrals]

If you add a link in your profile or signature and join the community to be a member of the community and contribute to the community, then that is different.

So if I join your community with the intention of hanging out and chatting with people in it - and find out - you're a tool and leave - then what?

Whats the benefit to the forum community of having "profile" links - whether from a longstanding member with 1000 posts or a newb?

[cbpayne]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

So if I join your community with the intention of hanging out and chatting with people in it - and find out - you're a tool and leave - then what??

You will be banned; your IP reported to stopforum spam database and via the Google spam report tool as using this method to build backlinks. What else would you expect if you are going to spam?

[jasonmorgan]

are we really having this argument again?

seriously?

really?

why?

the horse is dead!

viva la spam!

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by fskcramer

Alright I've been testing out Angelas backlink system and It's been about a week since I started. I've found my ip on a black list. stopforumspam.com or something like that. I was not happy. This is the first and last time I try that method/approach.

It makes me think if we try to build links in a way that looks natural to google. How do we just naturally build links? And why try and beat the horse to death with these "organized spam" system.

Anyone else had a similar experience?

Me and tons of the Warriors are using it with great success, who cares if your site or email is listed in the stopforumspam.com? Until the forum platforum integrate their system into those black list sites, they are just there to "scare" you, don't give any attention to it.

The owner can report all they want, everyday they will still receive tons of non active profile creation. If the forum owner don't want people to put a link there, easy - Just set those links to nofollow or disable the public profile page.

Let me put it this way - Profile links in some perspective are not ethical, they work pretty well but not ethical in someway.

As long as Google still counting those links, and they help to push the ranking up, people will continue to find more profile sites and get a link from it.

The best way to tell somebody you don't want them put link there - disable it, remove it, nofollow it! 100% work, better than reporting thousands of sites to Google and wait a million years before Google actually take action.

One thing for sure, as a webmaster, we shouldn't 100% rely on profile links, and I'm serious about this. Google will one day force to ignore them, or by setting up more filters... The the 1st phrase of filters already implemented.

Many profile sites without direct link from the homepage is now disregards by Google, but we still can work around it by boosting more backlinks to those Profile links.

Profile links is "Grey Hat" to me, I'll always put some white hat strategy to my site, diversify those links and minimize the risk.

Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin

Being listed on that site is no harm no foul.

As already stated, I don't know what natural link building means. I'm still waiting to hear that one out ;-) The only truly natural way is to get others to link to you without any sort of arrangement with them (as then it really be a "vote" for your site). That can certainly be done, but it generally requires lots and lots of $$$, time or a large workforce. If you have one or more of those, then good luck.

Writing articles, or web 2.0 blogging, with links back to your sites is not natural link building. It never was and it never will be, despite what all of the article marketers try to sell you.

In any event, you can rank well with unnatural linking as has been shown time and time again.

Hey Tom, I think you should starts to put some white hat strategy in place, just in case one day Google crack down those profile links - effectively!

I agree with you that most sites today are not natural - almost 95% of those sites are getting links somewhere and sometime not natural.

I believe there are still pure white hat sites that get links - naturally. Let me share some thoughts here:

You still can get links naturally with:

1. Link Bait Page - Promote your page in the forum and blogs that provide free report, tools, script, software or even comic. Anything that will attract people to link to it!

2. Extremely valuable content - Like Terry Kyle Experiment here, or some news breaking event that spread worthy.

Ok, here's the thing - Pure white hat strategy takes time, and a lot of time to see the serious traffic!

If you are doing Internet marketing, niche marketing or selling your own stuff online, using this method can be very time consuming ...

Try some highly competitive keywords - Golf, Dog Training, Weight Loss, Internet Marketing, Make Money Online... Do you really think by just utilizing white hat method, your site would rank well for those terms????

Show me some evidence if you disagree.

White hat sites relied on tons of long tail keywords and moderate competitive keywords to bring traffic, no way they are getting traffic from high competition keywords.

I'm not surprise until today Google still can't effectively filter all spams from their network, and I think Google can't do anything about it. When people find that "spamming" the search engine still work, and work rather well, the number will only be growing! and Google will force to implement more and more filters...

How do you avoid those filters and get long term result?

People are taught that "white hat" is the long term strategy, and the best way to go about it... I'm sorry to say this - 100% WRONG!

I saw many white hat sites' traffic dropped when Google updated their Algorithm! Talk about the white hat for long term... While many "Grey Hat" sites still growing strong.

Certainly, there are many "Grey Hat" sites that are dead or dropped from SERP entirely, but this does affect a lot of white hat sites in the process!

IMHO, only way to stay long term - cover your tracks. Many advance SEO guys plan their strategy and cover their tracks almost nearly impossible for Google to get them without killing innocent sites!

A strong SEO strategy to cover your tracks is the most important thing - even if your site is "white" hat.

Originally Posted by cbpayne

probably because you spamed one of my forums to get a profile link. Across our network we report them all. A lot of other forums are doing the same. My staff also report the sites to Google via the spam report tool as using this method for building links. Google have a blog post about not building links this way.

Forum admins are fighting back against the abuse of their sites. What were you expecting by spamming?

Spamming - the terms is only valid for email marketing.

I think the legal department should redefine this terms, it seems like spamming shouldn't be just email, but how should you define "spam"?

You enable the site's profile for public view, you enable the links and dofollow, clearly you are inviting people to join and put links there. It is very hard to determine legitimate users and so call "spammer" (which is no clear definition yet), until after a period of time (a year or so), these members are consider dormant - inactive, and you can do a housekeeping to remove them.

Until you can define spam - there is no way you can determine for sure who is "spammer" and who isn't.

BTW, how do you get links? Are you yourself is as white as you should be? Did you spam the search engine for links?

Any means of link building is considered spamming the search engine!

Are you sure you promote your sites using pure white hat method? Like guess blog posting, valuable blog comments, forum marketing, video marketing and social media marketing?

Originally Posted by jigsawguy

Sorry am I missing something here! If forum owners don't want people to setup profiles for the purpose of backlinking, why don't they just remove the capability to drop your link in the profile. End of story. No one would bother setting up a forum profile if they were not getting any benefit from it. This seems pretty basic to me.

I agree. The easiest way - nofollow all those links! The member still get to access those profiles and visit other member's site, but you'll receive a lot less spams!

The best way to counter non-active members - the so call spammer, is to disable your public view, that's the most effective way.

Kok Choon

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

You will be banned; your IP reported to stopforum spam database and via the Google spam report tool as using this method to build backlinks. What else would you expect if you are going to spam?

Ouch - that hurt. My proxy service will be heartbroken.

Doesnt sound like you or your forum would be much fun anyhow.

[actionplanbiz]

profile links do seem "grey-hat" or unethical.. but whats the best way to find profile links?

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Its still spam and it still gets reported.

You have a weird view what spam is.

I dont support "profile links" either, they're MOSTLY thrash and not worth a penny - but signing up on a blog and simply putting my URL in my profile IS A FAR STEP from blasting your forum with Xrumer! It's not on the same level AT ALL.

[jazbo]

I have to laugh when I see forum admins blubbing about "spam".

What is actually happening is that they provide members with a public profile page, and if people want to add links to it, then I cannot see the issue. I own several forums, and as long as the links are non-porn etc, who cares?

Spamming the actual forum is a different matter, as it interferes with other users on the site, but I cannot for the life of me work out why forum admins get so uppity about people daring to place links on the profiles they allow them to create!

Dont want people placing links - dont provide profiles. Simple.

[thebarksmeow]

Originally Posted by jazbo

I have to laugh when I see forum admins blubbing about "spam".

What is actually happening is that they provide members with a public profile page, and if people want to add links to it, then I cannot see the issue. I own several forums, and as long as the links are non-porn etc, who cares?

Spamming the actual forum is a different matter, as it interferes with other users on the site, but I cannot for the life of me work out why forum admins get so uppity about people daring to place links on the profiles they allow them to create!

Dont want people placing links - dont provide profiles. Simple.

Excellent post.

[James Ross]

Just use a proxy from now on. Eventually your connection will reset and you will be able to post again.