High Velocity Linking

[GuerrillaIM]

There seems to be an echo on this forum, it sounds like "Your building your links too fast... too fast.. tooo faaassst",

I am having great success with building links very fast, and I am taking steps to build them even faster. I make sure to have spun text on each place I get the link and make sure the links are put in places where they don't get deleted from and it works great.

The only problem I have ever had getting lots of links in, is when a load of the links get deleted. I think google pays attention to spikes of leads appearing then dissapearing (signaling that its probabaly spam being deleted by admin). So as long as the volume of links coming is is consistent, they will remain their permanently, and are on unique domains with unique ip's and lots of content then there is really no limit to how fast you can build them.

Anyone else finding this or am I unique?

[paulgl]

But you're building links fast, and the right way.
The echoers come here and just have some daydream
that they are so good, that it must be the backlinks
that killed 'em.

The myth is hard to kill, because so many chime in,
with the "me too" baloney.

I don't have any experience of building links too fast.

Most people like me need to keep link building, as indeed
they do go away.

To you I say, thanks for the post!

But you're talking way to much sense for a lot of people.

Paul

[joetheseo]

Originally Posted by paulgl

But you're building links fast, and the right way.
The echoers come here and just have some daydream
that they are so good, that it must be the backlinks
that killed 'em.

The myth is hard to kill, because so many chime in,
with the "me too" baloney.

I don't have any experience of building links too fast.

Most people like me need to keep link building, as indeed
they do go away.

To you I say, thanks for the post!

But you're talking way to much sense for a lot of people.

Paul

Paul,

Well written.

If you're building links fast and it's working... keep doing it! It's sad but true that a lot of the information about off page SEO on this forum is still in the "theorycrafting" stage.

Keep testing things for yourself and FIND what works for YOU. The only way I know what works is by building hundreds of sites myself.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

I think google pays attention to spikes of leads appearing then dissapearing (signaling that its probabaly spam being deleted by admin). So as long as the volume of links coming is is consistent, they will remain their permanently, and are on unique domains with unique ip's and lots of content then there is really no limit to how fast you can build them.

Anyone else finding this or am I unique?

I'd agree with this specifically because the links that ARE going to be permanent are not going to be the ones people are talking about when they talk about mass link building. Spam comments are going to be removed, Forum backlinks are going to be removed. Lots of profile links are going to be removed. So its a quality issue when it comes to backlinks. You could do a press release for example and if its newsworthy get ton loads of backlinks that are not going to be removed.

However when people talk about building backlinks they are talking about total self backlinking 99 out of 100 times and they are usually ralking about spamming.

[Trent Brownrigg]

In my experience you can build links as fast as you want as long as they are legit links.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by paulgl

But you're building links fast, and the right way.
The echoers come here and just have some daydream
that they are so good, that it must be the backlinks
that killed 'em.

The myth is hard to kill, because so many chime in,
with the "me too" baloney.

The myth is hard to kill because its not a myth or baloney. People spend entirely too much time thinking that this forum is the end all and be all of SEO. You can't kill the idea that backlinking too fast CAN hurt you given the most popular ways of getting those links on this board are pure nosnense to professional SEOs. The top people in SEO today would laugh at what goes for good advice in this forum.

Frankly like I said in the other thread this is probably the only board that I am aware of (surely there are more) that argues this. Its not simply a speed issue its the links you find yourself having to use to get to that velocity. They are for the most part low quality. Undeniably

I actually like Joe's principle here. Do what works for you (that isn't spam because the powers that be said thats no longer allowed here so best to keep that to yourself if you want to run with it. I don't).

Only thing is that goes both ways. When something doesn't work for them and they say it doesn't thats their right. What usually happens is that a whole bunch of people jump on them and claim to know better than them what caused them to tank without knowing anything about the site, the links or the other SEO done. Thats baloney. Maybe not in your case but many times the people jumping on them are the auto spam linking selling guys that can't peddle it anymore and their fanboys.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You can't kill the idea that backlinking too fast CAN hurt you given the most popular ways of getting those links on this board are pure nonense to professional SEOs. The top people in SEO today would laugh at what goes for good advice in this forum.

Hey you're singing my tune! Where do we disagree? We don't!
That's one eloquent statement!!!!
(maybe mine just did not pass the grade)

Look at the number of posts with a title:
"1,500 blogs to post to..."
"100,000 ways to get easy links..."

Then these same people come back with:
"I got slapped because I built links too fast..."

Paul

[RokNStoK]

I wll agree with the other warriors who say... if it works for you then do it. Unfortunately, you can really only say 'it has worked so far'.

Which would lead me to ask you... has it really worked so far? I would think if you were pleased with your results then you would not have asked the question in the first place.

Now for my formative questions!
A. Why would you choose to dedicate your resources to 'thousands of links most of which will go away'?
B. What will happen when you stop driving links to the site? Will the site go away?
C. Do you believe that Google will allow 'article farms' to continue filling it's search engine with junk?

Question A is meant to point out that link building is link building. Real quality links or junk links... they both take time and money to develop. While you may get 'more' junk links for the same resources in the short term, does the same hold true in the long run?

Question B is meant to point out that you may possibly want to one day put your current project down, and work on something new... Having developed only short term links, you will be unable to stop promoting unless you intend to let it die. This will ultimately cap your earning potential with more time required per site.

On the other hand, if you were to develop traditional relationships with relevant linking partners, you will be building a sustainable business over time. One day you would be able to put the project down and work on something else without worrying so much that you're going to plummet in the serps.

I put Question C in mainly for the professional article marketers who are fixing to rip into me for suggesting an alternative. I've used article marketing and I think they can be great resources for varied points of view. But guys... if you keep filling them with 'spinned' content, you will negate their worth. I would make a suggestion, Somebody come up with a new 'article marketing' system and possibly a new 'article marketplace' paradigm altogether. The reason why 'article directories' became popular in the first place was their great content. As time goes on, a larger and larger percent of their traffic is just webmasters looking to spin junk. Eventually, that's all the traffic the article houses will get and then they will be no more valuable than the old 'FFA Pages'.

Of course, I'm not an affiliate marketer so the mentality may be totally different! Even so, I would think you guys were a little longer term than that... Just a couple of ideas to think about!

[Mike Anthony]

RokNStoK you are right to ask if it works. I am rumbling around in serps everyday and I can't think of one time I have found a really competitive term dominated by the kinds of backlinks that are normally employed to do fast backlinking. I of course see some but in the competitive niches no site ranks on just those.

Theres another side to point B. Lets say that you do rank for a really lucrative term. YOu take a page out of first place where someone was making major dollars. Apply basic understanding of how the world works. Is he just going to sit there and take the loss in income? OF course not. If he isn't using low quality spammy links he has two choices.

A) He can report you to google and if Google agrees its spammy then your site is toast.Least that will happen is that all the spammy links are discounted and you drop like a rock. Not an actual penalty? Who cares if you site still sinks like a rock.

B) he decides to join in. He does spammy backlinks more than you and then it becomes a tug of war until you need tens of thousands of backlinks and its all just a waste of time of needingmore and more crappy links.

So staying on those kinds of links is just a merry go round. May b e worth it to get going and getting indexed but you should be transitioning away from them. they are not a long term serious business option particularly when you get into the high numbers and can't pay attention to quality.

[The Expert]

I don't know why links going up and then coming down would be a problem either.

While the theory that links the pop up and disappear throws a flag to google that the links are being deleted by admin seems to hold water, it doesn't match up to standard blog behavior.

If someone points a link to you on the majority of blog platforms, that link gets tacked to the front of the homepage because the post is on the home page. It's also on the single post page, and any tag/category pages that might be indexed as well if they display full post content.

As soon as more post go up on that blog the link disappears from all but the single post page. Since this is happening everywhere, wouldn't I can't see how links appearing on a page then dissapearing could be used as a flag. There's no way to differentiate between normal blog behavior and manually removing content with spam links.

[RokNStoK]

Hi Mike,
Totally agreed. Some types of marketing are perfectly suited for newer sites trying to get a leg into the SERPS while not so much for longevity. I'm serious about somebody starting up a new article marketing system. A great opportunity for the right person / idea.

[GuerrillaIM]

Originally Posted by The Expert

I don't know why links going up and then coming down would be a problem either.

While the theory that links the pop up and disappear throws a flag to google that the links are being deleted by admin seems to hold water, it doesn't match up to standard blog behavior.

If someone points a link to you on the majority of blog platforms, that link gets tacked to the front of the homepage because the post is on the home page. It's also on the single post page, and any tag/category pages that might be indexed as well if they display full post content.

As soon as more post go up on that blog the link disappears from all but the single post page. Since this is happening everywhere, wouldn't I can't see how links appearing on a page then dissapearing could be used as a flag. There's no way to differentiate between normal blog behavior and manually removing content with spam links.

I disagree. Google have said that they identify pages that can be reached through multiple breadcrumbs, and choose which one to display. The permalink to the post that holds the link will remain the same also, so the link will still exist on that domain

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by RokNStoK

Hi Mike,
I'm serious about somebody starting up a new article marketing system. A great opportunity for the right person / idea.

Its coming by next month and will be in full swing by the end of the year. Multiple "article" marketing systems around all kinds of niches. Its not really all new and no the heart of it won't be my product but it will definitely be a new twist.

[RokNStoK]

I look forward to seeing it Mike. Please let us know when you're live!