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Old 05-29-2010, 05:13 PM   #1
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2006 - I remember when I chose the name "Xfactor" when I joined
this wonderful forum. It was simply because I enjoyed the X-games
and did not give the name a second thought.

Now there are so many Xfactor threads that come up and so many
people are wondering what and why my information is helping people.

Well, hopefully this can help:

Here is a personal update that many can learn from in terms of growth
and not thinking short-term:

(PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

... As I cannot make it here to answer questions all of the time.

For starters, I never speculate anything that Google may or may not
do.

Such threads are (and always have been) a draining and mentally
defeating growth amongst marketing forums.

Second, I have a Google rep that contacts me bi-yearly. I expect my
next conversation in July.

In January, my rep asked about any input I wanted to make, as well
as if I needed any tips on monetization.

My Portfolio:

This is probably the most key element here, because the difference
between someone that churns out hundreds of 1-page websites in
record time and me is:

1) I have nearly 13,000 pages of unique content, spread over 100+
websites, with many pages that have been growing since 2008.

2) 2,000 pages of that is on 1 health website.

3) All micro niche sites are nearing 100 pages of content (slowly
added over the course of 6 months to 1 year - other domains older).


4) They all started at 1-5 pages.

Note: I work with micro niches, not micro sites. Yes,
every site needs to start out small, but if I had a site making $5.00 per
day, why would I not want to add dozens or hundreds of long-tail keyword
focused articles to:

a) get more earnings and,
b) contribute more information to the niche?

5) I love my award-converting template, but due to so many people
using it, I enjoy changing things around. I urge everyone to use their
own creativity - just using my layout as a guide. Do I make less
money? Yes, that's ok with me.

6) Having been a black hat spammer from late 2005 until 2007, I
have purposefully avoided any and all backlink promotions that would
appear not to contribute something to the search engines.

I know what short-term riches feels like, as I did it. But at the end of
2007 I made a very clear and bold commitment to only work long-term.

Hope this little update helps.

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More useful than you know. Thanks!

Anybody have a link to the "template" he uses?

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For what it's worth, I concur with the micro niches and micro sites approach.... to begin with. The key is not to let sites that prove themselves to you via their performance die by content starvation. Go back to those winners and build them out. Over time, you get better at spotting winning broad niches within which to find micro niches and more winners.

I've not ever bought Xfactor's course, and I don't think he's bought any of mine on Adsense, but we agree on this fundamental course of action.

He knows his stuff!

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John,

I am one happy camper after reading your thread last November.

Thanks heaps mate for your wisdom and willingness to share it.

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Thanks for the encouragement but help me out here.

How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?
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How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?

Mmm, thick yoga mat,

it's so soft

it's so comfy

it feels so good on my skin

it's perfect for wrapping up my victims bodies... 'emmm, nevermind.

it's so soft, did I already say that?


I don't think you are supposed to write 100 pages on Thick Yoga Mats. It's time to step-up to a slightly larger micro niche.

Synthesize me, And reboot, I need to start again, I need to make it different

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I agree - i think you just went a little TOO micro. Micro niche would be "Yoga Mats".

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Thanks for the encouragement but help me out here.

How do you write 100 pages of content about "thick yoga mat"? Care to show the way?
You don't have to write all your articles about thick yoga mats. Write some about thin yoga mats or invisible yoga mats or even better yoga mats that act like flying carpets!

The point is. Just expand on these. Just because the domain is thickyogamats.net doesn't mean that every single article has to be about thick yoga mats. The idea behind getting an exact match domain is that you get to leverage the benefit you'll get in traffic in the short term.

In the long run the domain will still have most of your keywords in it.

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I agree - i think you just went a little TOO micro. Micro niche would be "Yoga Mats".
He used that example because it was direct from Xfactors book.

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Good post Jacob - I have come to the same conclusion. The exact match domain is good for boosting your main keyword, however once you have established that the keyword and micro niche is profitable, you can expand to related keywords. Dont let the domain name hold you back.

With the the thick yoga mat example, there is nothing to stop you writing about all manner of yoga related keywords, yoga bags, yoga courses, other yoga equipment etc... so long as you feel that those articles will rank well.

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You don't have to write all your articles about thick yoga mats. Write some about thin yoga mats or invisible yoga mats or even better yoga mats that act like flying carpets!

The point is. Just expand on these. Just because the domain is thickyogamats.net doesn't mean that every single article has to be about thick yoga mats. The idea behind getting an exact match domain is that you get the leverage the benefit you'll get in traffic in the short term.

In the long run the domain will still have most of your keywords in it.



He used that example because it was direct from Xfactors book.

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If you have a 5-10 page site on yoga mats and you are getting traffic and clicks...nothing to stop you from adding other yoga product pages to the sites. If the visitor is looking for yoga mats - maybe they also would check out yoga poses, yoga lifestyle, yoga clothing, yoga videos...you could be up to 100 pages easily in time. It also expands the number of keywords you can rank for.

Yes, the domain might be "yoga mats"....but it is "yoga".


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Most people don't understand that concept Kay

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Thanks John for sharing! I'm actually been doing the same thing. I have 1 site with about 50 pages and plan on writing 500 pages on the 1 niche.

The more you write the more you make and is a lot easier focusing on a few sites.

Well done.

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Wow - I didn't know it was a concept! Damn - I have a "method" and didn't even know it. I thought it was the next logical step - and I know it works for me.

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hey john

i heard you are coming out with another xfactor ebook. any truth to this. and are you going in deeper from the first book.

you have been a great knowledge giver and i speak for many.

thank you

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John you are a wonderful guy. Always ready for help and fast whenever asked about anything. Btw how much are you earning these days and how many sites are you running ?

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If you have a 5-10 page site on yoga mats and you are getting traffic and clicks...nothing to stop you from adding other yoga product pages to the sites. If the visitor is looking for yoga mats - maybe they also would check out yoga poses, yoga lifestyle, yoga clothing, yoga videos...you could be up to 100 pages easily in time. It also expands the number of keywords you can rank for.

Yes, the domain might be "yoga mats"....but it is "yoga".
Let's just be realistic here.

John said he started with 3-5 pages of 500+ words content. Based on his e-book, it would be 1 article about "thick yoga mats" on thickyogamats.com, and 3-4 inner-pages that get 1k exact searches based on Google Keyword Tool. i.e Jade Yoga mats, etc

Let's talk about cost, we want quality over quantity so a 500 words article would cost around $7.5. In one of John's posts he mentioned that he pays them double this amount but I forgot what it was.

He also said in his strategy that he submits at least 10 articles for each pages to EZA and sometimes GA.

So that's 100 x 10 = 1000 articles to be submitted to EZA that will cost you a hefty 7,000USD (approx).

For people just starting out, this method is the opposite of viable.

You will have to spend almost 8k USD on 1 single website that will only break even after 3 years.

(PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

Since John pays a lot to his writer, a website will cost John about $16k USD to develop.

How does one make any money?

Try it for yourself, develop a micro niche site into a 100 pages website and see how much money/time you've spent vs. how much is that site making over a span of a year. You will know the truth then.

Hope this helps with reality check.
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Your figures are all wrong mate.

Each month the articles/pages should perform better and better like a snowball effect.

Plus if you use ALL your profits from Adsense each month to pay for the articles, you are not losing anything,



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Let's just be realistic here.

John said he started with 3-5 pages of 500+ words content. Based on his e-book, it would be 1 article about "thick yoga mats" on thickyogamats.com, and 3-4 inner-pages that get 1k exact searches based on Google Keyword Tool. i.e Jade Yoga mats, etc

Let's talk about cost, we want quality over quantity so a 500 words article would cost around $7.5. In one of John's posts he mentioned that he pays them double this amount but I forgot what it was.

That' $750 spent on a site that's only 2 weeks old making no money. Which will only make $5/day in 2-3 months time. We're talking about 6-10 months before breaking even here.

He also said in his strategy that he submits at least 10 articles for each pages to EZA and sometimes GA.

So that's 100 x 10 = 1000 articles to be submitted to EZA that will cost you a hefty 7,000USD (approx).

For people just starting out, this method is the opposite of viable.

You will have to spend almost 8k USD on 1 single website that will only break even after 3 years. lol


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Since John pays a lot to his writer, a website will cost John about $16k USD to develop.

No wonder people don't make any money.

Try it for yourself, develop a micro niche site into 100 pages website and see how much money/time you've spent vs. how much is that site making. You will know the truth then.

Hope this helps with reality check.

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I posted because Im doing exacly what he has suggested

Ive only spent $10 of my own money and have made $65 the site is only 1.5 months old.

first 2 weeks I made me $8, next 3 weeks I made $57 then next month Im sure it will double/triple again.

My site only has 40 pages submitted so far....I wrote the first 30 on my own and bought 50 articles which I have only submitted 10.

However the money I used to buy the 50 articles came from me flipping some of my smaller sites beause this larger one was killing those in profits.

So even if I didnt sell them and I paid for those 50 articles that would of costed me $200...so id break even in 2-3 months total.

PLUS Keep in mind most of my pages arent on Page 1 of Google yet, however people are finding them somehow! Imagine once they're on 1st page, profits will dramatically increase at no extra cost to me!

Besides you need to remember this is a long term game, you only pay for each article ONCE but you get to enjoy traffic and profits from them over and over again....think longterm.

I'm not saying this method is fastest or best but I feel more comfortable doing things this way instead of making 100 sites with 5 pages each and risk google banning me.

Id rather work hard for 6-12 months and then quit my job then keep searching for the next shiny thing that promises fast money.




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The purpose of working on this is to make money, not to break even.

Which part of what I posted is wrong? Mind going specific?

Go ahead, try his strategy, develop 3-5 pages website, and add 100 pages of content within 2 weeks.

Then build backlinks by submitting 1k articles to EZA.

See how much money that site is making in 3 months. Please, prove me wrong!

and if you break even within the first 6 months, I'll send you $500.

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You have to factor in the time you've spent writing the articles too. Time is still cost.

You do not have 100+ pages within 2 weeks of launching the site, and you still don't, even after 1.5 months.

You're not doing what he suggested. Why?

Because it's impossible.

You will lose money doing EXACTLY what he suggested in the first post.

It's not as "long term" as you want it to be, only the minority of keywords can be considered long term, try learning how to read Trends data. You will learn that over time people will forget about specific keywords as new keywords emerge.

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I posted because Im doing exacly what he has suggested

Ive only spent $10 of my own money and have made $65 the site is only 1.5 months old.

first 2 weeks I made me $8, next 3 weeks I made $57 then next month Im sure it will double/triple again.

My site only has 40 pages submitted so far....I wrote the first 30 on my own and bought 50 articles which I have only submitted 10.

However the money I used to buy the 50 articles came from me flipping some of my smaller sites beause this larger one was killing those in profits.

So even if I didnt sell them and I paid for those 50 articles that would of costed me $200...so id break even in 2-3 months total.

Besides you need to remember this is a long term game, you only pay for each article ONCE but you get to enjoy traffic and profits from them over and over again....think longterm.

Id rather work hard for 6-12 months and then quit my job then keep searching for the next shiny thing that promises fast money.
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Ok you're right I'm not doing "exactly" the same but the general gist of creating large sites is what I meant when I said I'm doing a similar approach.

As far as your comment about keywords, that depends on the niche. I can safely say my traffic and keywords targetted do not follow any trends or are not seasonal at all.

As I said the approach isnt for everyone, and yes time can be considered a cost but when I enjoy the work so much, I don't mind.

This is my passion like many other here, the money comes 2nd.

Each month Im seeing my account balance grow, thats all the proof I need to know that this method works.


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You have to factor in the time you've spent writing the articles too. Time is still cost.

You do not have 100+ pages within 2 weeks of launching the site, and you still don't, even after 1.5 months.

You're not doing what he suggested. Why?

Because it's impossible.

You will lose money doing EXACTLY what he suggested in the first post.

It's not as "long term" as you want it to be, only the minority of keywords can be considered long term, try learning how to read Trends data. You will learn that over time people will forget about specific keywords as new keywords emerge.

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I'm not here to bash anybody, I'm honestly here to help.

If you really want to make $600/day, you need to think ROI.

How much is spent on site vs. how much that site makes in the end.

John's posts are helpful but people really need to start "reading between the lines".
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Wow - I didn't know it was a concept! Damn - I have a "method" and didn't even know it. I thought it was the next logical step - and I know it works for me.

kay
So it's called the K-Method?

Was I growing K-Sites all of this time?



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You don't have to write all your articles about thick yoga mats. Write some about thin yoga mats or invisible yoga mats or even better yoga mats that act like flying carpets!

The point is. Just expand on these. Just because the domain is thickyogamats.net doesn't mean that every single article has to be about thick yoga mats. The idea behind getting an exact match domain is that you get to leverage the benefit you'll get in traffic in the short term.
Couldn't have answered this better myself.

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i heard you are coming out with another xfactor ebook. any truth to this. and are you going in deeper from the first book.

you have been a great knowledge giver and i speak for many.

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I'm not here to bash anybody, I'm honestly here to help.

If you really want to make $600/day, you need to think ROI.

How much is spent on site vs. how much that site makes in the end.

Many ways to skin a cat in this business.

I just do what I do, and share that with others.

Take a little from it, a lot, nothing, or all of it - and grow personally
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Many ways to skin a cat in this business.

I just do what I do, and share that with others.

Take a little from it, a lot, nothing, or all of it - and grow personally
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Beautifully put John.
Well done mate,

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I'm not here to bash anybody, I'm honestly here to help.

If you really want to make $600/day, you need to think ROI.

How much is spent on site vs. how much that site makes in the end.

John's posts are helpful but people really need to start "reading between the lines".
I have 25 xfactor sites, all 5-pagers, that I started building 4 months ago. I did exactly what was suggested in the book and wrote all the content and articles myself. I am building 2 sites per week and make an average of 70 cents per site per day but I notice that I am getting better at this game every day. I'll stop at a hundred sites this December and should be making $100 per day minimum. Then I'll build out those sites, starting with the most promising--all by myself.

Based on my concrete experience, everything you have written is totally meaningless and irrelevant to me. In short, complete gibberish. But then, I'm a simple man. What do I know.
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XFactor hires people to do the writing? I was under the impression writing was a passion, did all the work himself.

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Its no point picking an exact match domain. You'll easily rank for that keyword but not for others which will mean some SEO effort.

And the choice in domain name sometimes catch you out further down the line. If your domain name is 'plastic yoga mats', its going to sound odd promoting 'yoga videos'. A person searching for 'yoga videos', might see that your domain name is something they are not looking for and pass even though my site is on the first page.

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Instead of outsourcing everything, have you considered, sitting down for 10 hours a day and doing the work yourself? Initially the return for might be small for the time put in but as its going to provide an income every month for (hopefully) years, the time spent might be worth while.

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Let's just be realistic here.

Let's talk about cost, we want quality over quantity so a 500 words article would cost around $7.5. In one of John's posts he mentioned that he pays them double this amount but I forgot what it was.

He also said in his strategy that he submits at least 10 articles for each pages to EZA and sometimes GA.

So that's 100 x 10 = 1000 articles to be submitted to EZA that will cost you a hefty 7,000USD (approx).

For people just starting out, this method is the opposite of viable.

You will have to spend almost 8k USD on 1 single website that will only break even after 3 years.

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Since John pays a lot to his writer, a website will cost John about $16k USD to develop.

How does one make any money?

Try it for yourself, develop a micro niche site into a 100 pages website and see how much money/time you've spent vs. how much is that site making over a span of a year. You will know the truth then.

Hope this helps with reality check.
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Was I growing K-Sites all of this time?
Yes, John - think "royalties"

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I have 25 xfactor sites, all 5-pagers, that I started building 4 months ago. I did exactly what was suggested in the book and wrote all the content and articles myself. I am building 2 sites per week and make an average of 70 cents per site per day but I notice that I am getting better at this game every day.
Personally, I'd stop for a couple months and spend time building up the 25 and then start building again. To me it's better to have 25 sites of 50 pages each than 100 sites of 5 pages. But that's just me.

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2006 - I remember when I chose the name "Xfactor" when I joined
this wonderful forum. It was simply because I enjoyed the X-games
and did not give the name a second thought.

Now there are so many Xfactor threads that come up and so many
people are wondering what and why my information is helping people.

Well, hopefully this can help:

Here is a personal update that many can learn from in terms of growth
and not thinking short-term:

(PLEASE READ CAREFULLY)

... As I cannot make it here to answer questions all of the time.

For starters, I never speculate anything that Google may or may not
do.

Such threads are (and always have been) a draining and mentally
defeating growth amongst marketing forums.

Second, I have a Google rep that contacts me bi-yearly. I expect my
next conversation in July.

In January, my rep asked about any input I wanted to make, as well
as if I needed any tips on monetization.

My Portfolio:

This is probably the most key element here, because the difference
between someone that churns out hundreds of 1-page websites in
record time and me is:

1) I have nearly 13,000 pages of unique content, spread over 100+
websites, with many pages that have been growing since 2008.

2) 2,000 pages of that is on 1 health website.

3) In about 2 weeks all of my micro niche sites will reach 100
pages of content.

4) They all started at 1-5 pages.

Note: I work with micro niches, not micro sites. Yes,
every site needs to start out small, but if I had a site making $5.00 per
day, why would I not want to add dozens or hundreds of long-tail keyword
focused articles to:

a) get more earnings and,
b) contribute more information to the niche?

5) I love my award-converting template, but due to so many people
using it, I enjoy changing things around. I urge everyone to use their
own creativity - just using my layout as a guide. Do I make less
money? Yes, that's ok with me.

6) Having been a black hat spammer from late 2005 until 2007, I
have purposefully avoided any and all backlink promotions that would
appear not to contribute something to the search engines.

I know what short-term riches feels like, as I did it. But at the end of
2007 I made a very clear and bold commitment to only work long-term.

Hope this little update helps.

- John
John... I'm sure I speak for a lot of people here when I say it's good to hear back from you again with regards to the whole AdSense malarky

I know over the past few weeks/months a lot of people have been fretting about deindexing, AdSense account bans, etc, mostly in relation to building small sites. But as you say, the idea isn't to build small sites, but to target sites to small specific niches (at least at first) to reap the SEO benefits this can give you initially and get raking that moolas in quicker than you would if you slapped up completely random articles about completely random subjects on a single website.

Although I'm sure that can work too. It's just a different approach.

Personally I don't worry too much about any of the aforementioned things other people are fretting over.

I'm sure one thing people will pick up on here is the thing you mention about having an AdSense rep...

So many people worry about "manual reviews" of their accounts, etc, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say if you have a designated rep within the company they've looked at and scrutinized all of your sites and don't feel anything is wrong with them. I'm sure that brings you (as it would anyone else in your position) a certain added level of peace of mind.

My question is just this, really: How did you come to engage with this representative? Did they simply contact you after a certain point (of earning so much per day / sending them so many impressions/clicks or what not), and take it from there?

Is this something that is commonplace, do you know? In other words, when those of us also have a portfolio of sites similar in size and success to yours, are we likely to be allocated a representative which will allow for us to build a closer, stronger and more mutually-trustful relationship with Google?

I hope this question makes sense.
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Hi John... Do you still manage getting 50%-75% CTR ?? After a lot people copying your template....( including me )

I only manage ctr 5% even i have follow all your lesson...

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I only manage ctr 5% even i have follow all your lesson...
As always, I don't want to answer for John (seeing as you directed the question at him), but I can say from my experience that even with the using a very similar design/template/theme, the CTR is based largely on the ad relevancy.

One of my biggest earning sites gets a lot of traffic but has a lower CTR. The ads are moderately-to-well relevant to the niche my site is built around, but the ads do not contain my keyword phrase within them.

On sites where the ads are directly relevant to my target keywords, I often get a 50-200% CTR on those sites/pages. For those sites, my keyword phrase (or a very close variation of it) appears in the ad title and description.

So if you're using a theme and ad layout that you know should be good for achieving a high CTR and yet your CTR still isn't that great, it's probably down to one of 2 (if not both) things:

1) Your ads aren't that closely relevant to your target keyword phrase(s).
2) Your ads for some reason just aren't particularly appealing.

Usually the former.
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No offense, but 200% CTR just doesn't make any sense.

So they click your Adsense Ad, leave your site, then come back & click the Adsense Ad again?

You couldn't possibly have more than a 100% CTR, & I doubt very much any site on the net has a 100% Adsense CTR.

That's just not realistic...
Actually, it's perfectly realistic when you think about it.

I use a 336x280 ad block at the top of my page. That ad block has 4 ads within it. On those sites, every single one of those ads is closely relevant. My visitors can and often do click on more than one ad.

I don't know in what way they do it (whether they click, return and then click again), but I'd wager a bet that they're opening each link in a new tab/browser window.

Simple really
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XFactor hires people to do the writing? I was under the impression writing was a passion, did all the work himself.
At this point in my career I do have local writers working for me, but
even up until 1 year ago I was doing 80% of my daily articles on my
own.

I still believe in working 100% on your own until you have reached an
appreciable "connection" with this business model.

I'm not sure if I can explain what that means, but I have a strong
sense of energy in everything that we do in life - especially business
and making money.

Even though it's content publishing, I feel that most people that outsource
from the beginning, without having made the connection with the right
energy to manifest results (both physical and spiritual) in earnings, tend
to not do so well.

But like always, I know it's a individual case basis.

Nothing, I mean nothing - is ever set in stone.

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John... I'm sure I speak for a lot of people here when I say it's good to hear back from you again with regards to the whole AdSense malarky

I know over the past few weeks/months a lot of people have been fretting about deindexing, AdSense account bans, etc, mostly in relation to building small sites. But as you say, the idea isn't to build small sites, but to target sites to small specific niches (at least at first) to reap the SEO benefits this can give you initially and get raking that moolas in quicker than you would if you slapped up completely random articles about completely random subjects on a single website.

Although I'm sure that can work too. It's just a different approach.

Personally I don't worry too much about any of the aforementioned things other people are fretting over.

I'm sure one thing people will pick up on here is the thing you mention about having an AdSense rep...

So many people worry about "manual reviews" of their accounts, etc, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say if you have a designated rep within the company they've looked at and scrutinized all of your sites and don't feel anything is wrong with them. I'm sure that brings you (as it would anyone else in your position) a certain added level of peace of mind.

My question is just this, really: How did you come to engage with this representative? Did they simply contact you after a certain point (of earning so much per day / sending them so many impressions/clicks or what not), and take it from there?

Is this something that is commonplace, do you know? In other words, when those of us also have a portfolio of sites similar in size and success to yours, are we likely to be allocated a representative which will allow for us to build a closer, stronger and more mutually-trustful relationship with Google?

I hope this question makes sense.
Mr Dire - you'r a smart cat. I've read a few of your posts in the past.

You'll be doing well

About a rep - I was called the first time in late 2008 when my health
site reached around $4000 monthly.

They asked if it could be used on their case study files, but I turned it
down.

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Hi John... Do you still manage getting 50%-75% CTR ?? After a lot people copying your template....( including me )

I only manage ctr 5% even i have follow all your lesson...
Typically the 50-75% (even 100%) will be seen on a brand new site when
the visitors are low (or a site that only brings in a steady 10-15 daily visits.

So no, once more traffic comes that goes down, as it should.

About a template, I like to make my sites very different now out of pure
fun and variety.

Not to mention the layout is being copied by everyone and their grandma,
which produces risk of those knuckleheads out there looking to do damage.

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Instead of outsourcing everything, have you considered, sitting down for 10 hours a day and doing the work yourself? Initially the return for might be small for the time put in but as its going to provide an income every month for (hopefully) years, the time spent might be worth while.
Yes, this is what I was taught by my Father.

He started his own business from scratch and worked for several years
building up a property management company without making a dime
,
very long hours and seemingly endless bumps in the road.

But he made it, and although he passed away, this company is still running
strong with 5 locations and serving full-time income to 34 men and women.

Adsense, property management, lawn care - Starting a business is tough,
and online is no different.

But if one has resources, well, then that is an entirely different story.

Most of us who have made it worked our way up with nothing, nothing but
long, long, long hours, stress, and most importantly - fortitude and the right
mental attitude.

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TBH and I don't care if I get flamed for this. WHO CARES.

This part of the forum is flooded with this XFactor stuff and every time it moves of the first page of this section you or someone else (coincidence?) creates a new thread about it. Just stop already.

And when I read your guide - you didn't even make clear what you are now making clear to us all.

Anyways. Stop cluttering up this place with your self promotion and stuff about your guide. Nobody cares and if they do they're obviously not sick listening to it yet. Which is easily done considering the amount of threads there is about it.

Also self promotion is not allowed in this forum. So you're breaking rules too.

NOTE: This is all based on my frustration to having to see these threads written nealy every friggin day (if there's none on the front page of this section) and become popular every bloody time one is posted even though it's totally self promotion.

JUST STOP!
I apologize if you think I am starting too many threads.

There have been 3 started this year related to adsense and publishing.

I too would love to see all of the XFactor misunderstandings and such
from being started.

I tend not to open them up - works very well

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Well it's not good to see you galavanting around in here inadvetently promoting your product while going undectdected for what you're doing.

If you really want to clear up the misconceptions with your members you could just mail them couldn't you?

Yes you could.

Or set up a forum for them.

Yes I'm angry but only because you're getting away with all this self promotion malarky while others can't even say boo.

Go mail them next time.
Don't be angry - life is too short

And thanks for bringing up more points I can clarify - see how
wonderful you are about letting me know what to post?

- The Xfactor misconceptions and confusions are not those that have
my book and email me questions - it's the public - the very same Xfactor
threads that are making you so stressed out.

- I do have a forum

Any more questions? I'm in a giving mood this weekend.

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Well a forum is about sharing. People are keen to hear John's views on things. Whats the fuss? If you don't want to read about it, dont click on the thread

John - are you still launching new sites? Or do you now just focus on building out your existing ones? Also - is your content still similar to what you stated in your ebook? i.e for product based niches, mainly rewrites of product descriptions.

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That means promoting your product in the general forums dicsussions is prohibited.

Which you're breaking.

And if anyone wanted any misconceptions cleared up you said it yourself. You have a forum and they can email you.

So what's with your inability to abide by the rules like the rest of us?


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John is all about helping people. Even in the promotion page to buy his ebook, he tells people they can learn everything they need from the free forum thread, thus promoting this forum. If you read his main thread, every time somebody tried to get him to self promote, he directed them away from it.

I, for one, am very appreciative of what he has to share, and have gotten my Adsense income up to $200 per month through his advice. I did not buy his ebook, but read his thread from start to finish and really appreciate everything he has to share.

John, if you are reading this: I read a thread about turning interest based ads off in Adsense account settings increasing CTR. Have you ever tried this?

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I think he makes a lot of $$$ from the 101 websites with Adsense, I don't think he needs the money.
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Well a forum is about sharing. People are keen to hear John's views on things. Whats the fuss? If you don't want to read about it, dont click on the thread

John - are you still launching new sites? Or do you now just focus on building out your existing ones? Also - is your content still similar to what you stated in your ebook? i.e for product based niches, mainly rewrites of product descriptions.
Hi Culvers,

With so much going on, both online and offline, I plan on stopping at
around 15,000 total pages, then backlink to get all pages ranked and
earning daily. That may take a while.

There is never one-way to set forth a plan. I do have some testing
with other niches and such, but I've got so many more exciting projects
I'd like to get into.

Your Content Question:

And as far as content, the example I gave is just one way of going about
writing.

You can write about anything you wish, really.

Depends on your niche and keywords.

Someone asked how can so many articles be written around, for example,
"thick yoga mats".

Well, one of the basic ways of keeping your sites of higher quality is to
write about the niche itself.

Someone already pointed this out earlier in this thread.

So taking a "Yoga Mats" example, how much more depth could you add
to your site by giving viewers more information on yoga?

They are already interested in yoga mats, because they found your site,
so take some planning on adding more beef to add tips on all-around
yoga.

If they want yoga mats, common sense tells me that they are interested
in yoga.

Now starting a site from scratch could be:

1) Micro Niche: "Thick Yoga Mats"

2) Targeted Niche: "Yoga Mats"

3) General Niche: "Yoga Supplies"

4) Authority: "Yoga"

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Thank you, Xfactor. I have come across your information before and it has helped me comprehend the micro-niche side of Adsense. I am pursuing an authority site, but your work has helped me figure out how to attack micro-niches within my larger niche. I appreciate your help.

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Your welcome.

And remember: An authority site is simply a bunch of micro niches
all rolled into a sensible category structure on the same domain.

It's good stuff.

The only mistake I made with my 2,000 page health site is not
siloing. It would have helped my rankings better in the long run.

Big lesson learned there.

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Your welcome.

And remember: An authority site is simply a bunch of micro niches
all rolled into a sensible category structure on the same domain.

It's good stuff.

The only mistake I made with my 2,000 page health site is not
siloing. It would have helped my rankings better in the long run.

Big lesson learned there.

- John
Amazing tips Xfactor! I admit I didn't buy your ebook.. but around the same time that you wrote the massive thread on Adsense here on WF.. I took those tips .. put in my own ideas..and started building large authority websites. (Its become a very good part of my online income now .. so thanks!)

Would you care to explain how to go about siloing? Is it something like creating content rich "category" pages that link to all pages in that micro niche?
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Dude,

seriously ... how much must it suck to be you?

As a final note ... you're one of only 3 people here in several years to make my ignore list. Then endless stream of nonsense emanating from your pc to my screen ends today.

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TBH and I don't care if I get flamed for this. WHO CARES.

This part of the forum is flooded with this XFactor stuff and every time it moves of the first page of this section you or someone else (coincidence?) creates a new thread about it. Just stop already.

And when I read your guide - you didn't even make clear what you are now making clear to us all.

Anyways. Stop cluttering up this place with your self promotion and stuff about your guide. Nobody cares and if they do they're obviously not sick listening to it yet. Which is easily done considering the amount of threads there is about it.

Also self promotion is not allowed in this forum. So you're breaking rules too.

NOTE: This is all based on my frustration to having to see these threads written nealy every friggin day (if there's none on the front page of this section) and become popular every bloody time one is posted even though it's totally self promotion.

JUST STOP!

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