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Hi all, ![]() When conducting keyword research with the Google keyword tool, do you look at the broad, phrase or exact results as the key indicator before deciding on a keyword? Are the phrase results in the keyword tool the number of times people have entered that keyword in inverted commas into the Google search box? Because then surely the broad results are what we should be looking at, seeing as the average internet user is just going to type his search without the inverted commas... Or are the phrase results in the keyword tool the result of some Google formula that we should be taking cognizance of? Some say the exact results, others say broad results. Which do you use, and why? I have come across a niche with some handy looking figures - for example one keyword has only 7000 competing sites if you do a "keyword" search in Google, and the Google keyword tool says 12,000 people search for that keyword every month (broad results), but the [exact] results say there are only 800 searched per month. "Phrase" results according to the keyword tool are 1600 searches per month. So now I am wondering, how many people actually go to Google every month and type in that keyword? (without any inverted commas)
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Hi Nick ![]() Me? I use "phrase" match. Say your keyword is "golf club"... If you use broad match, your results will include: Golf Club, and Club Paradise - 18 hole Golf Course. If you use exact match, your results will include: Golf Club If you use phrase match, your results will include: Golf Club, what is the best golf club, titanium golf club, etc It won't include plurals...e.g. best golf clubs, though. Hope that helps, Steve |
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Thanks Steven, that does make sense. To clarify, lets say that the keyword I am considering is titanium golf club: The Google keyword tool says there are: 12,000 monthly searches (broad results) 1,600 monthly searches (phrase results) 800 monthly searches (exact results) From those results, would you say that 12,000 people are going to Google per month and typing in titanium golf club (i.e. not "titanium golf club"), or 1,600? Or 800? |
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Allow me to clarify it further: Hardly anyone that is not an internet marketer will type a phrase with quotes. They will always search without quotes. Thus the exact match would be the one you're looking for because it is that EXACT phrase in that EXACT order as your potential customer would type in the search engines. |
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It means 12,000 folks are using some combination of those words in a search phrase every month, such as: I have a titanium baseball bat which I like to club baby seals with. Where's my nearest golf course? ...so, not necessarily accurate. Exact match is very precise, but extremely limited (or focused, depending on your point of view), since it will only match the words "titanium golf club" and nothing else. Phrase match, IMHO gives you the best of both worlds (e.g. "best titanium golf club", "cheap titanium golf club", etc) Cheers, Steve |
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Thanks guys, you've helped a lot!
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Hi Nick, The results using the Google tool is not that the user has used inverted commas, it's how many people just typed that EXACT phrase. You're better off looking at PHRASE MATCH AND EXACT MATCH to determine the ratio. Exact match can be misleading on its own as you are missing buyers from the PHRASE MATCH group, who can also be buyers. I'm not sure if you already know about actual keyword research programs or not, but a couple I would recommend you check out to get much more detailed info, which will keep you glued to the PC for days.... lol, is Market Samurai and Keyword Research Pro. I have bought and belonged to just about all the keyword research programs available, and I really prefer these two. Of course, other programs are great too, it just depends what you need them for and how you like using them. Hope that helps! |
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I like to use Broad match since that's how most people search. Then I put the term in quotes to find the number of competing sites.
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Nick, Sounds like your getting good feedback! If you don't have Market Samurai or Keyword Elite, your in for a real treat! I haven't tried the Keyword Research Pro Michele mentioned. Would like to hear how you progress and rank with the competition. Good Luck! Mike |
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| EXACT MATCH IS THE CORRECT ONE This will really give you the right picture that you will work on. It will give you the result of all the searches that are done by people directly looking for that format of the search phrase that you need. While phrase much will also give you the results of the searches that are done for other product but has the same format as you keyword in explaining the that product. |
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I think exact match is best for estimating the number of searches per month for a given keyword phrase. Here's why. These estimates come from AdWords. If you've run an AdWords account, you know that when you bid in broad match, your ads appear not just when people search for your keyword phrase, but also when their query is a "broad match" for that keyword, and from experience you know that broad match is very broad. Your ad will appear when people search for phrases that are in no way related to your search phrase or website. This is why good AdWords people carefully watch the search phrases that are triggering their ads, and when their ads appear for irrelevant queries and people click, they add that query to their negative list. Now their ad will no longer appear for that query and they won't waste money paying for clicks from people who obviously have no interest in their site. Google's organic search results use a different search engine. When you look at the keywords that are bringing you organic visitors (using Google Analytics) you won't see so much garbage traffic. So, when you see a broad match estimate of search volume, this means that if you bid on that phrase in AdWords, you could expect your ad to go up many times, but when you see an exact match estimate, it will be a much lower number, because your ad will only go up when people type that exact keyword phrase. Thus, when estimating the number of searches per month, a broad match estimate, which comes from the AdWords keyword research tool, is telling you that your AdWords ad will appear when users type your search phrase, plus lots of other phrases, and you have no idea what those phrases will be. Most important, experience with an AdWords account and Google Analytics will make you aware of something. You'll know that in many cases, most conversions you get will be from your exact match phrase, and most of the other traffic you get from the additional broad match phrases will be wasted - the phrases often will be wildly irrelevant, very broad matches, and often they won't convert. 1. You should not use broad match for estimates of organic search volume because out of that huge amount of search traffic you see estimated, there's a good chance that much of it won't convert. 2. Without doubt, you'll get some broad match, organic traffic. The problem is, it won't be "AdWords broad match traffic," because AdWords is a different system, with wildly broad matching for broad match. Organically, the page you optimize for a specific search phrase will bring in some additional, broad match organic traffic from various other searches that relate to the content of your page. But you are dealing with Googe's organic search engine, so you won't get all that crazy broad match stuff that the AdWords keyword tool is telling you about. You'll get exact match traffic, from the keyword you optimize your page for, plus some broad match traffic from other words and phrases on your page. Once you notice this, you'll see in Google Analytics which of these additional search phrases actually convert well, and you can pick them and make a new page for each one. 3. If you initially rely upon broad match, you'll be relying upon wildly huge numbers, and in reality, sometimes the number of exact match searches for that phrase may be very low. The opposite can also be true. You may get a large number in broad match, and exact match may be close to that number. You just don't know, and you don't want to rely upon bad data. You don't want to believe there are 4,000 searches for your precious keyword phrase, when in fact there are only 40, and the other 3,960 are searches for phrases that "broadly" match your search phrase. 4. Also, you may not ever get all that broad match traffic, even in the "long term," because these broad match estimates are coming from AdWords and you are looking for organic traffic. These are two different systems. You probably won't get all that wild AdWords traffic from the organic searches. The AdWords broad match is crazy broad, whereas the search engine Google uses for organic results is more tightly focused. It's good to try it yourself. In the Google AdWords keyword tool, run a search phrase, and check the boxes for both broad and exact. You'll see the huge differences in search volume estimates, with broad match showing much higher numbers than exact match. Also, you'll see that sometimes the numbers are close, sometimes they are very different. You'll never know what the extra "broadly matched" search phrases are that are causing the broad match number to be so high, but frankly it doesn't matter, because you are looking at AdWords data, but you are not planning an AdWords account, right? Google's organic search engine is different, and produces more focused, relevant results. So, with broad match:
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| Bingo. It doesn't have anything to do with whether quotes are used or not which can be confusing. I never recommend you just use exact match as some other SEOs state. You are leaving to much opportunity out. I usually go for both exact and phrase and find more opportunities that way.
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Guys i have a keyword with 450k broad monthly searches but only 46 phrase monthly searches, would that be a bad choice if i decided to pick this keyword? |
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Broad results is a waste of time unless you are doing a google search to analyze the sites that rank in the top 10 for a keyword. What you should do is use the google kw tool using phrase match. This will allow you to see the popularity of a niche. Then you should check the exact match search volume of those keywords to help you find the best keywords to research further. | |
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Always use exact if you are making a microniche site and wish to rank well for a keyword in your domain name.
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I use broad match keywords at the start of a new campaign to draw out all the useless keywords that trigger your clicks. Have same keywords (not the useless ones) in phrase and exact to target the real searchers I want. After a few days, and a few dollars, you will get a good listing of candidate 'negative' keywords that you can then put into campaign to reduce useless clicks. Also, the new Google +broad match is good if you want to reduce the garbage that can come up. The + in front of broad keyword tells Google you don't want it to get too adventurous with it synonyms and similar. |
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The only data that tells you the search volume for a particular keyword is the exact match data. Phrase and broad match data includes search volume from many different keywords and you won't even know how many different keywords are included in those numbers. So obviously the only correct answer, in the context of your question, is exact match keyword data. Quote:
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Phrase match data is generally not useful for keyword research, but has other potentially useful purposes like researching a topic or industry niche. Outside the scope of and AdWords campaign, where you are fishing for undiscovered keyword ideas, there is no practical use of the broad match data, those asserting otherwise are likely misguided. Quote:
As I indicated earlier in this post, broad match data does not include data for a single keyword, you have no idea how many and which keywords might have been compiled to come up with that number, it's useless for keyword research purposes. The exact match data is the only data that applies to an individual keyword. Phrase match will include data from many different keywords, you will have no idea how many different keywords, or which keywords are included in that data. You will only know that whatever keywords have been compiled and combined to arrive at that number has the phrase match keyword as a root somewhere within the keywords that have been selected. While this data is not the data you are looking for in the context of your question, keyword research, it can somewhat useful for a different kind of research, industry niche or general topic interest level research. The answer is easy, exact match data is the only data that represents search volume for an individual keyword. | |||||
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Great discussion here. I always use EXACT to analyze my keyword target because in my opinion EXACT are the middle of the BOARD and PHARSE in Adwords.
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Wow Donnie, that was the best explanation I have ever read as I myself was a little bit confused about the whole keyword research thing. Finally someone who can explain it where a human can actually understand it, I would just like to say thank you for writing such an insightful piece on this topic, I haven't found anything better anywhere. Cheers, Rob.M |
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If the webppage has what is the best titanium golf club I beat my wife with my titanium golf club Then an exact match search should show both of these since the (titanium golf club) appears in exactly that order in both sentences. Does a phrase search show titanium golf club golf titanium club club titanium golf if not then what is the difference between a phrase search and an exact search if the words have to appear in the same order in both? If the exact match only shows (titanium golf club) and not when it is used in a sentence like(what is the best titanium golf club i can buy.) Then what is the point? no one makes a blog post where the term ( titanium golf club) is sitting on the page all by itself. Donny can you explain why a phrase search for "titanium golf club" would show results for other keywords? Would not the phrase "titanium golf club" have to appear on the page somewhere? I would think that a title like The Best Titanium Golf Club Review would show up for exact match when searched for the following search terms since the words appear in the exact order searched. Best Titanium Golf Club Review Best Titanium Golf Club Titanium Golf Club Review Titanium Golf Club Golf Club Review That is how i understand exact match search. I do not understand at all the phrase search. Would this page show up with a phrase search for "best golf club review" even though titanium appears in between best and golf? All of the words in the search phrase appear in the phrase title. | |
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I always like to choose Phrase match, as this will cover more keywords than the exact match.
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Exact match is what you need to look at. This tells you the number for when they type in that exact phrase. Also, consider setting your geographic location as that can change the exact match numbers.
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No where in this thread did i see that it was a poll. Can you explain how the search for exact and phrase work instead of just saying which one you use. I use phrase and exact when i am searching for a niche but i do now know exactly how the search engines come up with their results. |
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Awesome stuff have ever get.
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| I have market samurai already. What i need is an answer to my question. I am asking from a content writers point of view not a looking for a niche point of view. How to write content that will cover the greatest number of keywords without having to write exact matches for every keyword combination. including exact matches for every keyword combination will make the content too weird.
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Always use keyword with phrases..its a good method your content will look good and it will not consider as a spam or duplicate in google,
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I think I need to clarify a few things to remove some of the fog surrounding this discussion. There is no such thing as an "exact match search". A search is either regular or advanced. Nearly all searches are regular searches and advanced searches are statistically insignificant and can be ignored when doing keyword research. There is a "phrase search", but it is statistically insignificant and generally does not appear in keyword tool data. The term "exact match" refers to a class of data in Google AdWords Keyword Tool that reports search volume for a specific individual keyword term. It is the only data type in the tool that shows search volume for a specific keyword. Again, there is no such thing as an "exact match search". There is an advanced search technique known as a "phrase search". It is used to filter all but the pages that include the exact keyword phrase somewhere within the content of the page. Again, these special advanced search queries are not typically used in any type of keyword research data. wolfmanjack, you seem to be mixing completely unrelated terms into a several different contextual topics, simply because they both use the word "exact", or "phrase", within the label given for the term. To summarize:
The balance of your post seems to center on the how to optimize the page title element for the non-existent search techniques. Since they don't exist it is an exercise of futility to try to understand how to apply them. Get it? | |
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Thank you for replying Don, Excuse my ignorance. I guess i was under the wrong impression that when a person typed "golf clubs" that it was a phrase search and when they typed [golf clubs] then it was an exact search. Thank you for correcting me. i do know that when i do a google search and i type "golf club" instead of golf club i get different results. Please explain how i can optimize my title and the content for the "golf club" search instead of the golf club search. again thank you for your response. |
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I always stick to exact when I'm doing research. It gives you the most accurate (well, as accurate as the keyword tools are) overview of the searches a keyword / phrase gets. With phrase matching it can literally be for hundreds of different terms. |
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There is no difference in how you should optimize for those two different search methods. It is the exact same keyword no matter which search method is used to find it. | |
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Thank you Don. I won't worry about it any more. It has been bugging me that when i type in my keyword with no "" i get #24 when i type in "keyword" i get #8 and when i type [keyword] i am not even in the top 100. It has totally confused me as to how google comes up with its results.
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Using quotes around your keyword is the exact same search as no quotes, except that your results have been filtered to exclude any page that doesn't include the exact wording of you keyword phrase. The search with brackets is not a valid search method. Where you rank in regular search, without quotes, should be your only concern. | |
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Thank you very much Don ... You made me very clear on how to research keyword in the correct way. This is very confusion by lots of people (included me ) who using GKWT and see big search volume on broad match type but actually very few search volume on exact match type.I was plan to rank on a long tail keyword that got 300k + for (broad match type) but actually it's on 140 search volume for exact match type and that is what people are typing on Google. Thanks a lot Jeepy |
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Ideally I look at the exact matches first and foremost, and this is the basic bar to see if a keyword is worth it
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I always look at exact match, otherwise you will be really disappointed when you get to that number 1 spot and not getting all those visitors. Exact gives you who has searched for that exact phrase. I usually find a cluster of 3-5 keywords and go for all of them, this way you are more likely to get long tail stuff too, which helps hake up those 12k. |
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So glad I found this page! I've been swapping between Exact Match and Phrase when using the Google Keyword Tool. So i guess [Exact] is the best option because it'll give you the best indication of targeted traffic.
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Broad: That is the number of searches for keywords that are related to your target keyword. For example, if you are trying to get the traffic data for "dog foods", keywords like "puppy foods" may also be taken into consideration. Phrase: That's the number of searches for keywords that contain your target keyword in that particular word order. In the above case, the number would include traffic data for keywords like "dog foods", "dog foods australia", "buy dog foods", etc. Exact: That's the number of searches for your target keyword exactly, so in the above example, for "dog foods". I usually look at the exact column, as this gives me the most accurate understanding of how much traffic the keyword gets. Trev |
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