How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too?

Winlin · 06-12-2010, 01:18 PM

Heres a situation I find interesting:

I've been working on Blog Niche site for the past 2 weeks that began ranking at about the 30th page for the keyword search.

I have since moved it up to being a solid 7 and 8th on the second page. Of course I'm targeting page one and ultimately spot #1.

Happy with the results so far , but when I added a Hub page this morning to send a back link to my site. I find 4 hrs later hub page I wrote to use to link to my site was two spots higher than my actual site>

Have you experienced this also? Is this typical? I'm I beating myself by developing my own competition?

Best regards,

JustKid · 06-12-2010, 01:21 PM

Your not beating yourself down when your own hubpage is going to link back to your main site in the first place.

csmcmanus · 06-12-2010, 01:37 PM

I have experienced the same thing. we were doing work for a transmission place and were having a hard time coming around the corner to first page ( p2p1) so we made a hub page with relative content and to my surprise we got bumped down a spot. Hub went to first page, we went to p2p2. It stayed there for a good amount of time too...so I took it down and wouldn't you know it, we then went round the corner.

I understand alot of what the internet marketers say about doing hubs and ezines and stuff, but my experience has been that hub will beat out my work anyday. Just because of the age and traffic. But the upside is if done well, the hub is a good link to have, even if it takes your spot on p1

timpears · 06-12-2010, 01:43 PM

It is pretty simple really. Hubpages has a high PR for the domain. So the PR flows to any page you build on their site. It is not uncommon for Hubpages pages to rank high very quickly.

But, keep building them links and you will move up sooner or later.

dndoseller · 06-12-2010, 01:58 PM

Yes, with digg. That is why I always change my titles and keywords a bit on the sites I am using for backlinks.

Winlin · 06-12-2010, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dndoseller

Yes, with digg. That is why I always change my titles and keywords a bit on the sites I am using for backlinks.

Perfect workaround....

Thank You

jasonl70 · 06-12-2010, 02:41 PM

One of google's patents talks about re-ordering the search results when this happens, potentialy boosting the 'pointed to' site over the site pointing to it. So in theory, this should not be the 'norm'. Of course, nothing google does is that cut-and-dry though.

Here's how I handle this when I want to make sure this does not happen. I build my web2.0 sites around different keywords then my main site, so they do not compete directly with each other in the serps.

SimonHarrison · 06-12-2010, 03:22 PM

2.0's will often outrank your own site, they simply have vastly
more trust than your site.

That said, Google often throws something in the mix quite high
up, then it settles down within a week.

I often see it with document sharing sites as well.

FranksToys · 06-12-2010, 03:50 PM

As others have stated, it's the PageRank of the domain that you posted on as well as the TrustRank of that domain.

Simply because you are linking from your Hubpages to your other money site doesn't mean that you will outrank it. Giving it time, and building links correctly will allow you to eventually overcome it.

Keep up the backlinks to your money site, or optimize your hubpages to make it your "money" site.

azmom07 · 06-12-2010, 06:07 PM

the fact that its a new hub makes it rank high...if you dont build enough backlinks for your hubpage, it will eventually lose its rank when it ages...at least thats based from my experience,

jasonl70 · 06-12-2010, 06:18 PM

A lot of new web2.0 pages rank high because the new pages pop up on prominent high pr pages of the hosting site.. when they get pushed off those pages by newer posts/pages/hubs/etc, they lose that 'boost' and start to fall in the SERP's.

06-12-2010, 01:18 PM	#1
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JustKid Just A Kid War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 139 Thanks: 6 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts Contact Info	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? Your not beating yourself down when your own hubpage is going to link back to your main site in the first place.
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csmcmanus straight pimpin the net War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tacoma Wa Posts: 99 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? I have experienced the same thing. we were doing work for a transmission place and were having a hard time coming around the corner to first page ( p2p1) so we made a hub page with relative content and to my surprise we got bumped down a spot. Hub went to first page, we went to p2p2. It stayed there for a good amount of time too...so I took it down and wouldn't you know it, we then went round the corner. I understand alot of what the internet marketers say about doing hubs and ezines and stuff, but my experience has been that hub will beat out my work anyday. Just because of the age and traffic. But the upside is if done well, the hub is a good link to have, even if it takes your spot on p1
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06-12-2010, 01:43 PM	#4
timpears Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 3,500 Thanks: 327 Thanked 584 Times in 408 Posts	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? It is pretty simple really. Hubpages has a high PR for the domain. So the PR flows to any page you build on their site. It is not uncommon for Hubpages pages to rank high very quickly. But, keep building them links and you will move up sooner or later.
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dndoseller HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 491 Thanks: 4 Thanked 64 Times in 50 Posts Social Networking	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? Yes, with digg. That is why I always change my titles and keywords a bit on the sites I am using for backlinks.
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06-12-2010, 02:41 PM	#7
jasonl70 Software Developer War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio , USA. Posts: 2,273 Thanks: 413 Thanked 406 Times in 250 Posts	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? One of google's patents talks about re-ordering the search results when this happens, potentialy boosting the 'pointed to' site over the site pointing to it. So in theory, this should not be the 'norm'. Of course, nothing google does is that cut-and-dry though. Here's how I handle this when I want to make sure this does not happen. I build my web2.0 sites around different keywords then my main site, so they do not compete directly with each other in the serps.
	-Jason

06-12-2010, 03:22 PM	#8
SimonHarrison Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 2,103 Thanks: 262 Thanked 450 Times in 270 Posts	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? 2.0's will often outrank your own site, they simply have vastly more trust than your site. That said, Google often throws something in the mix quite high up, then it settles down within a week. I often see it with document sharing sites as well.

06-12-2010, 03:50 PM	#9
FranksToys Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? As others have stated, it's the PageRank of the domain that you posted on as well as the TrustRank of that domain. Simply because you are linking from your Hubpages to your other money site doesn't mean that you will outrank it. Giving it time, and building links correctly will allow you to eventually overcome it. Keep up the backlinks to your money site, or optimize your hubpages to make it your "money" site.

06-12-2010, 06:07 PM	#10
azmom07 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 137 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? the fact that its a new hub makes it rank high...if you dont build enough backlinks for your hubpage, it will eventually lose its rank when it ages...at least thats based from my experience,

06-12-2010, 06:18 PM	#11
jasonl70 Software Developer War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio , USA. Posts: 2,273 Thanks: 413 Thanked 406 Times in 250 Posts	Re: How Does a 4 Hour Old Hub Page Rank Higher Then The site I'm linking It Too? A lot of new web2.0 pages rank high because the new pages pop up on prominent high pr pages of the hosting site.. when they get pushed off those pages by newer posts/pages/hubs/etc, they lose that 'boost' and start to fall in the SERP's.
	-Jason