Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell

baby_butler2002 · 06-25-2010, 04:38 PM

Hello everyone,quick question how can google tell natural links from paid links???

JoshBrown · 06-25-2010, 05:02 PM

They cannot unless they have infiltrated the broker's inventory.

ARVolund · 06-25-2010, 05:04 PM

While Google collects a lot of info they really are not all knowing. Seriously unless a website is advertising paid links how are they going to know.

Richard

JackPowers · 06-25-2010, 05:19 PM

They can't.

Some will say that most sitewide links with a title of 'partners' or 'resources' or similar shouts paid, but it's speculation.

Tom Goodwin · 06-25-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baby_butler2002

Hello everyone,quick question how can google tell natural links from paid links???

Unless there is a section of links on your site called "paid links...come and get me google..nah nah nah nah", it is almost impossible for them. I'm not saying it is 100% impossilbe, but generally its a risk that most people can take.

Tom

jazbo · 06-26-2010, 04:50 AM

They can, if the patterns and footprints are there.

If you pay for a link on an independent site with very few links then you are safe as houses. If you pay a paid-link company then your chances of getting caught rise to "maybe", as those sites inevitably build networks and networks leave patterns and footprints.

For example, there is an auto-link network out there that when you install their link code on your site, it displays a default message. All google needs to do is filter indexed pages containing that text and then monitor them. When those sites suddenly get links on them google could follow them and find other sites, and follow their links etc. Its not foolproof but it is a footprint and a network google could limit if it chose to.

zk5182 · 06-26-2010, 05:00 AM

For blogs they look at blogroll links, if its no follow then you are fine..if you are getting paid for text link without no follow you are penalised

Zeb · 06-26-2010, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by zk5182

For blogs they look at blogroll links, if its no follow then you are fine..if you are getting paid for text link without no follow you are penalised

This is not true.

ARVolund · 06-26-2010, 05:14 AM

And how exactly is Google going to know if you are getting paid for the links?

Unless you have something posted on your website that says "pay for links here" they have no way of knowing.

I suppose the phrase "Sponsored Links" or something similar may be a giveaway but other than that they have no way of knowing.

Richard

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Originally Posted by zk5182

For blogs they look at blogroll links, if its no follow then you are fine..if you are getting paid for text link without no follow you are penalised

Lucid · 06-26-2010, 10:29 AM

I'm sure they could determine if you paid for some links, but not all.

More to the point, if they could determine 100%, would they care? I don't think so. If you want to pay for links to improve you're rankings, go ahead. You shouldn't do it just for rankings however. Do it to get quality traffic from those links as well.

Steve Crooks · 06-26-2010, 10:44 AM

If you were to broker a paid deal with the owner of a website independently of any paid link service then it would be next to impossible for Google to know that you paid for it. If you used a paid service then there is a reasonable chance that Google could find the paid links pointing to your site.

OrganicSeoGuru · 06-26-2010, 10:56 AM

From my experience, (just because I am new to this forum, does not mean I am new to IM) Its not what they can prove, its what they want to believe.

They do look at things like a sidebar on the homepage linking to all kinds of random off the cuff sites, with remarkably helpful anchor text on do follow links,

they look at side wide links,

they look at the link graph of a sites outgoing link profile to determine how many of those "paid looking links" link to a sites homepage vs deeper pages,

all the basics, but the obviously dead give away is the whole "advertise here" type of text on a page...

Heres the funny thing, and this absolutely depends on the niche, those paid links still often pass a huge amount of value at least in the short term.

What I still do is the following.

If I still want the link but I don't want to be viewed as being a total spammer, I will set up my own very mini link wheel on domains I own on a set of separate c-class ip addresses, I will then pass the link on directly to my site through my buffer sites and have the link go to often a deeper internal page of one of my primary sites.

The link from the buffer site will be in content and obviously anchor text optimized to one of my inner primary site pages, from there the internal link strategy I have working internally on my site takes care of the rest.

If done properly, this works quite well and has so far survived the initial may day update and google caffiene changes, but that may also just be because so many of the competiting site have fallen off, and mine have taken their place.

I have not actually put a whole lot of time into looking, as I am more focused on getting more aff offers up on new pages.

Let me know your findings, always interested in seeing how others are doing things, I am sure like many I can end up with a bit of tunnel vision.

06-25-2010, 04:38 PM	#1
baby_butler2002 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: miami,fl Posts: 360 Thanks: 66 Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts	Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell Hello everyone,quick question how can google tell natural links from paid links???
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06-25-2010, 05:02 PM	#2
JoshBrown Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Contact Info	Re: Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell They cannot unless they have infiltrated the broker's inventory.

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ARVolund Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 542 Thanks: 4 Thanked 72 Times in 65 Posts	Re: Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell While Google collects a lot of info they really are not all knowing. Seriously unless a website is advertising paid links how are they going to know. Richard

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JackPowers Freeman War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 740 Thanks: 85 Thanked 99 Times in 74 Posts	Re: Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell They can't. Some will say that most sitewide links with a title of 'partners' or 'resources' or similar shouts paid, but it's speculation.

06-26-2010, 04:50 AM	#6
jazbo Systematic Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Norfolk, England. Posts: 1,911 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 35 Thanked 296 Times in 218 Posts Social Networking	Re: Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell They can, if the patterns and footprints are there. If you pay for a link on an independent site with very few links then you are safe as houses. If you pay a paid-link company then your chances of getting caught rise to "maybe", as those sites inevitably build networks and networks leave patterns and footprints. For example, there is an auto-link network out there that when you install their link code on your site, it displays a default message. All google needs to do is filter indexed pages containing that text and then monitor them. When those sites suddenly get links on them google could follow them and find other sites, and follow their links etc. Its not foolproof but it is a footprint and a network google could limit if it chose to.

06-26-2010, 05:00 AM	#7
zk5182 Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell For blogs they look at blogroll links, if its no follow then you are fine..if you are getting paid for text link without no follow you are penalised

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Lucid Senior Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,142 Thanks: 11 Thanked 128 Times in 120 Posts	Re: Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell I'm sure they could determine if you paid for some links, but not all. More to the point, if they could determine 100%, would they care? I don't think so. If you want to pay for links to improve you're rankings, go ahead. You shouldn't do it just for rankings however. Do it to get quality traffic from those links as well.
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06-26-2010, 10:56 AM	#12
OrganicSeoGuru Marc M War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Vancouver, BC (When I am Actually There) Posts: 181 Thanks: 1 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts Contact Info	Re: Natural Or Paid Links How Can They Tell From my experience, (just because I am new to this forum, does not mean I am new to IM) Its not what they can prove, its what they want to believe. They do look at things like a sidebar on the homepage linking to all kinds of random off the cuff sites, with remarkably helpful anchor text on do follow links, they look at side wide links, they look at the link graph of a sites outgoing link profile to determine how many of those "paid looking links" link to a sites homepage vs deeper pages, all the basics, but the obviously dead give away is the whole "advertise here" type of text on a page... Heres the funny thing, and this absolutely depends on the niche, those paid links still often pass a huge amount of value at least in the short term. What I still do is the following. If I still want the link but I don't want to be viewed as being a total spammer, I will set up my own very mini link wheel on domains I own on a set of separate c-class ip addresses, I will then pass the link on directly to my site through my buffer sites and have the link go to often a deeper internal page of one of my primary sites. The link from the buffer site will be in content and obviously anchor text optimized to one of my inner primary site pages, from there the internal link strategy I have working internally on my site takes care of the rest. If done properly, this works quite well and has so far survived the initial may day update and google caffiene changes, but that may also just be because so many of the competiting site have fallen off, and mine have taken their place. I have not actually put a whole lot of time into looking, as I am more focused on getting more aff offers up on new pages. Let me know your findings, always interested in seeing how others are doing things, I am sure like many I can end up with a bit of tunnel vision.