Yahoo loves my backlinking, Google doesn´t

[mikem22]

Lately I got quite some of my sites de-listed in Google. And I´m fishing for the reasons and solutions.

On the ´regular´ sites
I´ve got some regular affiliate unique content sites that had a position for multiple keyords on the 2-4 page on Google. I started to generate some backlinks to it to improve the keywords´positions with the Lemonarian Linkwheel strategy some months ago, just before it appeared that Google is detecting these linkwheels backlinks where I probably fell victim of). After that these sites became delisted and have not surfaced yet. I tried to resurface them with generating some more backlinks (with the 1st and 2nd tier theory, linking directly from the 1st tier blog/art directories to the money sites and in the 2nd tier blogdirectories to the 1st tier blog/article URL´s) with Senuke and with Magic Sumitter without any success. Also I added some autocontent generating pulgins (WP Robot) to these sites, but also no success.

Would the resolution here be to stop the autocontent generation and delete all the content that was generated with WP robot? This because I read something about the changed Google´s ´D-Day´ algoritm that penalizes long tail keywords without unique content.


Auto-Content Sites
I have got some 60 autocontent WP-Robot (so the theory that Google doesn´t like autocontent is not correct) sites of which 50% is listed on page 1-4 in Google and some 10% is on the first page without any backlinking. Now for one that generated OK revenue (adsense Amazon) that was on pos.15 in Google, I started to add unique content after 2 month, and it rose to pos.11. Then I started to do some backlinking with Magic Submitter and it got delisted now (maybe it´s in the google dance, but for all the above delisted sites, they have not resurfaced for the last 2 months). I submitted to 15 blogs and 15 article directories (1st tier, all linking to the money page, which is a deep page) , did approx 10 bookmarks over a period of 2 days. Was this too much with the 2 day timeframe? Should I add an extra protection layer (eg have an ezine article to receive all the backlinks that links with 1 link to my money page)?

In Yahoo the listing improved with the backlinking, but that didin´t create any additional revenue where the lost positions in Google did hurt the revenue.

What do you think could be the reasons for the delisting. Submitted in a too short timeframe? Autocontent on regular sites?

I´m in the dark here and would love your ideas.

thx, Mike

[maddiet]

I really think you are wasting your time with this automated link programs. The first step I would suggest is reading Google's blogs and materials and put aside all the magic solutions you find outhere. Google has created the algorithm and they can tell you how to get on the first page.
You can read their recent article, the topic is "Quality links to your site" and also watch this video from Matt Cutts, Google's engineer: Which is more important content or links?



Hope this was helpful.

[GeorgeKuipers]

A problem in your flow of description is that you describe your steps and then comment on how Google reacted to these steps. Here is the assumption that Google reacts on your actions within a week/month is too strong and probably incorrect.
In reality, for Google it takes much longer time to make a 'feedback' on your actions (indexing, caching, some global fluctuations in ranking). Moreover, there maybe other external factors that you might not know.

Therefore, drawing a hypothesis from your description is a risky thing.

What is close to a definite truth is that Google does not like sharp rise of backlinks number, and autocontent is under a huge question after MayDay. For Yahoo all old tricks are still working, therefore you get this disbalance.

[maddiet]

Originally Posted by GeorgeKuipers

A problem in your flow of description is that you describe your steps and then comment on how Google reacted to these steps. Here is the assumption that Google reacts on your actions within a week/month is too strong and probably incorrect.
In reality, for Google it takes much longer time to make a 'feedback' on your actions (indexing, caching, some global fluctuations in ranking). Moreover, there maybe other external factors that you might not know.

Therefore, drawing a hypothesis from your description is a risky thing.

Maybe with the arrival of Caffeine we can draw this sort of hypothesis sooner then before?

[GeorgeKuipers]

Originally Posted by maddiet

Maybe with the arrival of Caffeine we can draw this sort of hypothesis sooner then before?

Indeed, it might become possible with the "Caffeine at full speed". However, currently I still see those delays in indexing/caching for my sites.

[simpleonline1234]

Yahoo has a much weaker algo and is much easier to influence than Google.

Using fully automated programs can leave a huge footprint (unless your using rotating proxies) as I believe with the new algo Google is able to detect.

Linkwheels and automated software together is much like stepping in oil and walking around your white carpet in your house....it's really hard to cover your tracks.

I would suggest that trying a more natural approach to Google. As far as removing the previous info...hopefully I am wrong but I believe the damage is already done....you can try to change things up but once you tick off Google you will have to go around the hard way to make things right...might be eaiser just to scratch the site and start fresh with a new url and unique content.

[Groovystar]

I do everything manually {largely because I can't afford the automatic programmes, so just do everything by hand} and have generally only seen upward trends in my keywords over time. It is slow going and currently stuck again but I know ALL my content is unique since I wrote it myself {or my members did}; none of my links are just spam links, whe I comment on a blog I really do leave an actual comment on the article itself {though I still get spam-busted by one here and there--strange, my best article blog comment was the one that got spam busted the other day} etc. It is a lot slower and I'm sure a lot of people here think I'm wasting my time but up till now I have not been de indexed or anything. It has been 2 and a half months since my new site opened {albeit with all my content from the past 5 years since it was a site move}.

[jasonl70]

Originally Posted by simpleonline1234

Using fully automated programs can leave a huge footprint (unless your using rotating proxies) as I believe with the new algo Google is able to detect.

proxies won't help as far as google is concerned - it doesn't know what IP's posted the content. Proxies just keep that 3rd party site from detecting you.

Originally Posted by simpleonline1234

Linkwheels and automated software together is much like stepping in oil and walking around your white carpet in your house....it's really hard to cover your tracks.

this is the problem with using other peoples tools, in my opinion. You run the risk of a ton of people using the same sites, and once google see's the pattern it could very well pull everyone down. Heck, if I were google I would create some honeypot sites just to catch the culprits

I personaly use a tiered linking network, and make sure any 'questionable' link tactics are pushed down to the lower tiers of my network, keeping a buffer between them and my better / more inmportant sites.

[Groovystar]

I use the really big link wheel--the internet =)

[ceudah]

why google dont like backlink ?

[mikem22]

Originally Posted by jasonl70

I personaly use a tiered linking network, and make sure any 'questionable' link tactics are pushed down to the lower tiers of my network, keeping a buffer between them and my better / more inmportant sites.

Thanks Jason, that´s a great reply to ´push questionable link tactics down´. That´s obviously my intention as well to create that, but I probably overdid it with too many of those "questionable" sites linking to my money pages in the first tier. I just had to many ´obvious´ and highly used submission sites (as wetpaint, vox etc) link directly to my money pages. Probably I should really build that buffer of only a hubpages of ezine and have strong 2nd tier and 3rd.

Originally Posted by simpleonline1234

Yahoo has a much weaker algo and is much easier to influence than Google.
Linkwheels and automated software together is much like stepping in oil and walking around your white carpet in your house....it's really hard to cover your tracks.

Gave up on the linkwheels altogether after the first bumbs with my head already. And I don´t think that automated software is so bad IF you schedule it right.
Wrt the IPs with which the blog content is created. This is not detected by Google and cannot penalize you, right? I feel a bit more secure with the rotating IPs I´m using anyway.

My take on this now is to be looking for finding a more natural link building process from relevant sites, but I need to automate this with the "automated" link building programs to make it scalable. Thx for the great replies.